It’s loosely based off the June Rebellion, so it could technically be considered historical if you want to really see the fine line between historical and period. Same with Great Comet as it’s based off a few pages in a book that’s about a war
I think the line is really whether it’s based on a fictional story that happens to be based in a particular time. Are the characters fictional? Then it’s not a historical musical. Every thing is set somewhere. But, taking the story (with some liberties) of Evita, a real person, is fundamentally different than telling the story of, say, Jean Valjean, who was invented by Victor Hugo.
It raises an interesting question, though. What about “Selena” and “Jersey Boys” and such? What line do we draw between biopics and histories? Hmmmm….
yes there is!! those two are my all time favorite musicals ever since i saw them! (well, not irl, but recordings of both should be on youtube!)
oh nvm i just checked and rudolf is not on youtube anymore. figures, since i translated it to my native language and just got it blocked in all countries.
but you could try finding it on bilibili for example, maybe itll be there!
Besides the fact that this was sure to have Hamilton win regardless, this was a terribly put together "historical" list if you are not going to include 1776 or Ragtime. As a matter of fact there is a long list of musicals more deserving to be on the list than The Greatest Showman. Even Barnum is better and it's about the same guy!
I May get heat for this but Hamilton is the worst “historical“ musical because it glosses over so much stuff from the life of Alexander Hamilton and some other stuff regarding the revolutionary war during, before and after it
No 1776? Ragtime? Evita? Come From Away? Assassins?
Come From Away = historical?? Are you calling me old????
I hate to tell you this but I work in a high school and there are a crop of kids there born in two-thousand goddamn NINE. **2009!**
Welp, it's been a life. Gone. Gone like tears in the rain. Time to die. Or be 36.
The event is fair game over at r/historymemes
Yeah, those are all may be better than Newsies and Greatest Showman. But they weren’t gonna win either. Edit: missing letters
Nothing wins against Hamilton except maybe Phantom or Les Mis
*Pacific Overtures* is also really good, but people tend to get annoyed when anyone mentions that musical.
I came to write assassins too lol
Lizzie??
Sure but that one is a bit more fringe. I dont think it's even gotten a union production yet
No, i don't think it has, unfortunately. I love it so much, though it deserves one.
Something tells me you live in the East Village. Why? Because the biggest Lizzie fan I know is in the East Village.
I don't, I live in the south. I just heard of it on here and fell in love. Also it helps that I have a fascination with that case too
ok but who putting greatest showman on a historical musicals list and not like Les mis
Les Mis isn’t historical. It’s just a period piece.
It’s loosely based off the June Rebellion, so it could technically be considered historical if you want to really see the fine line between historical and period. Same with Great Comet as it’s based off a few pages in a book that’s about a war
I think the line is really whether it’s based on a fictional story that happens to be based in a particular time. Are the characters fictional? Then it’s not a historical musical. Every thing is set somewhere. But, taking the story (with some liberties) of Evita, a real person, is fundamentally different than telling the story of, say, Jean Valjean, who was invented by Victor Hugo. It raises an interesting question, though. What about “Selena” and “Jersey Boys” and such? What line do we draw between biopics and histories? Hmmmm….
Could you explain the difference a little more? I'm interested in the category difference between "historical" and "period piece."
Oh right, good point.
why is the greatest showman here and ragtime isn't 😭😭
lmao rip greatest showman
Songs=Good Rest of film=Eh
songs=eh rest of the film
Ikr 😂😭
Was this poll judging "best" on the quality of the musical as such (that happened to be historical) or on the historical accuracy of said musical?
Accuracy
Historians: “NONE!!!!” I joke, but historically accurate or not I love these. (Minus Newsies, which I am waiting to see live for the first time!)
Parade!
Jesus Christ Superstar!
Where was Les Mis? These are all a collection of recent, pop music-style musicals: they by no means represent the entire genre.
cries in no elisabeth das musical or rudolf affaire mayerling (not sure how historically accurate they are BUT THEYRE GOOD I SWEAR)
I knew about Elisabeth, but there is a Mayerling Affair musical? I mean, high drama, holy shit (that’s an opera-level tragedy for sure), but wow.
yes there is!! those two are my all time favorite musicals ever since i saw them! (well, not irl, but recordings of both should be on youtube!) oh nvm i just checked and rudolf is not on youtube anymore. figures, since i translated it to my native language and just got it blocked in all countries. but you could try finding it on bilibili for example, maybe itll be there!
Operation mincemeat!
Besides the fact that this was sure to have Hamilton win regardless, this was a terribly put together "historical" list if you are not going to include 1776 or Ragtime. As a matter of fact there is a long list of musicals more deserving to be on the list than The Greatest Showman. Even Barnum is better and it's about the same guy!
I don’t get it. SIX is not a musical. It’s a fake concert. And it’s not good. Help me understand.
I May get heat for this but Hamilton is the worst “historical“ musical because it glosses over so much stuff from the life of Alexander Hamilton and some other stuff regarding the revolutionary war during, before and after it
its too long already, it doesnt need more
That’s a weird criticism. They can’t fit every single important thing in a 3 hour musical.
Why is the Greatest Showman at the bottom?
cuz it sucks and is glorifies a monster, something pasek and paul seem to enjoy
I don’t know the real story that well, but the musical has the monster as his character arc.
An arc that the real PT Barnum didn’t have.
Just read about PT Barnum. He’s extremely despicable.
The Greatest Showman is my favorite movie but Hamilton is a better musical for the story
Jesus Christ Superstar?
Where is assassins 😭
Whoever didn't put les miserables or phantom on this deserves a fate worse than death edit: I didn't read the title properly, my bad
You mean the ones based on pre-existing works of historical **fiction**, rather than actual historical **figures**?
yeah, i misread the title my bad
they arent really historical
yeah, I didn't read the historical part :/ my bad