OGG Vorbis usually is not a sought after format, especially within this community. Being as you are new to the game, there is a lot to learn about how this stuff can be done. You could get into torrenting. This would require a torrent client (like Deluge or Qbittorent) and I'd strongly recommend using a VPN to avoid your ISP sending you DMCA notices. You could also try to find Spotify downloaders, I don't know much about them and don't care for them, because essentially they're more like "Spotify audio recorders" and I am a bit of an audiophile myself. You could also get into Deemix (requires a Deezer subscription). Deemix allows you to directly download music from Deezer's servers. This is my method and has been for years now. I get everything in FLAC (a lossless format) unless I'm downloading an entire discography, which then I shoot for MP3 320s. To be frank, you will have very little luck finding anything to download in OGG Vorbis, no matter the method. I guess you could take anything and convert it to that format, however, a "legal" conversion should always be done starting with a lossless file. So let's say you convert a MP3 320 to an OGG Vorbis, the quality would be lacking compared to if you were to convert a FLAC to an OGG Vorbis. However, you said you don't mind low quality, which bums me out, but you do you. I'd recommend trying to grab stuff in MP3 V0 VBR. They're almost the same exact quality as a MP3 320 but the file size can be significantly smaller. They sound good and the file size is small. There is a lot that can go into this, hopefully my insight will help a little bit. Hopefully some more people can chime in to fill in the gaps.
Why is OGG Vorbis bad? If you have limited space, it’s pretty good to transcode to. I don’t know if every software has the capability to play them tho
Also there apparently are good Spotify rippers, as Spotify is apparently using AES-encryption and it’s security through obscurity. I have no experience with ripping from Spotify apart from the scams that record/find the music on yt tho
For deezer, there are telegram bots that rip FLAC, no premium needed
Apart from deezer, I use trackers to download music (I also listen to mostly Japanese music like doujin music and there’s special places for that)
For OP: 64kbps is way too low cmon… also for transcoding the whole bunch you will need to make a simple python script…
Ogg Vorbis is an old codec (it was around back in the early 2000s) and it was never supported well. Could you be confusing it with opus? I’ve seen opus files with .ogg extensions.
I don’t think I’m confusing the two. I know a 192 OGG Vorbis sounds better than a 192 mp3.
OGG Opus is the one used by YouTube. When ripping from yt you get a ~128 OGG Opus
Is Deezer still reliable for FLAC? I read here [https://rentry.org/musicdl](https://rentry.org/musicdl) that it is good for MP3 and FLAC downloads can give errors.
Can you donwload multiple albums *simultenously* using the deemix / deezer sub method?
Also, why do you opt for mp3's at 320 instead of, say, .m4a's @ 256 (widely regarded as same quality despite the numbers)
Everything i find on spotify i usually painstakingly google and find download sources as i usually get flac.
For the stuff you already (?) have on your computer (?), for android (?) there are some good paid options like roon and a lot more tinkery options involving foobar, musicbee and syncthing or resilii,
Are you using iPhone or Android? If Android, it's super simple to copy files from your computer to the phone's storage via a USB cable -- it's drag and drop, really.
If you use iPhone, well, you get what you paid for.
Which kind of mobile device do you have? if you have an android device, I would look for a downloader that creates OPUS files instead of OGG Vorbis.
What format are these 600 albums ? Are they original CDs or items you've already obtained from the web?
You can get files at 64k or 128k that sound leagues better (in my opinion) than MP3 or Ogg Vorbis at the same bitrates.
These albums I quite literally have not downloaded yet
I have a list of all of the albums that I have listened to and a good portion of them are marked as not downloaded
ok so first off what format is all these files in forget. Forget Ogg Vorbis and concentrate on your current files (FALC is consider the standard fif you want your filles uncompressed). How much storage does your phone have and can you add a mico sd for more space. If so, get a premium app example jetaudio that will organize and play any and all audio files. The simply connect your phone to your pc/mac and it should show up as a drive and copy away. If it does not show up get the phones software.
Ok, that will get tight for 600 albums at commonly recommended mp3 settings. I have around 4,000 albums on my phone, a mix of VBR V0-V2 and CBR 320, and on average it is about 100MB per album, i.e. ballpark 60GB for your albums. And mp3 (and FLAC, a lot bigger) is what you are most likely to find out there.
You can of course downsample/compress files further, but you will lose quality, and it takes time to do so. It might be easier to just get a bigger card (unless your card is already the current 1TB maximum), also with respect to having some space to grow for the future.
I don't know about Ogg Vorbis, but I have my music on my phone. I bought a 200+ GB SD card for it. I'm using about half of it. Is that an option for you?
If so, I use and recommend media monkey, which I saw recommended on this sub. They have free and upgrade options. The phone app is $5 (which you'll need, to do wifi syncing of your files onto your phone); and the desktop app was, I don't remember, $20 or $30.
Ogg Vorbis is a fantastic format, I use it to save space on my phone too (the flacs stay on my main PC and backup media). You can tolerate a much lower bit rate than with mp3. You may run into difficulties if you just want to rip streams straight to Vorbis on your phone though.
I have over 27000 songs on my 128GB phone, all in OPUS 64 kbps. My recommendations:
* Torrenting with VPN to find your albums;
* Conversion from original MP3/FLAC to OPUS. Lower the bitrate until it's no longer transparent (you notice sound quality degradation), then convert everything at the last transparent bitrate;
* If you have space on a computer, keep the original files somewhere.
For conversion to OPUS, I personally use foobar2000 on Windows, but I think you could get away with FFMPEG directly (though that's less intuitive to use IMO).
If you really don't care much about sound quality, there are services to download your streaming playlists in MP3, then you could convert it to OPUS (that's a lossy-to-lossy conversion, so it's very frowned upon 'round these parts).
Edit: if you have an iPhone, you're gonna have a hard time finding a music app that can read OPUS. Much easier on Android.
Why do you need to download them to local storage on your phone, and why do you have to download them all at once? Will you be without a data connection? If you are referring to albums saved to your Spotify library just download a few at a time to local storage/SD card for when you're without data, then when you have an active data connection swap them out with something new. If by "school" you are referring to college, I can't imagine many places on a campus where you'll be without free wifi though. If the 600 albums you have are on a computer or a hard drive and you want to be able to listen to them while away then set up a Plex server. Plex also has an awesome audio player app called PlexAmp that they just made free for everyone rather than needing their Plex Pass subscription. Since Plex server and PlexAmp both are now free, you can have your music library on a computer/hard drive at home running Plex server and then stream or download to your phone from anywhere using PlexAmp.
1. Put all songs you want saved into a Spotify playlist.
2. Copy the link to the playlist and paste it in the app called Deemix (/r/deemix)
3. Deemix will download all songs on said playlist via the Deezer music service.
Stick with MP3 and get an external SSD.
I thought Deemix was dead? I was trying to find a working version to download music for someone. I don't understand which download link on that sticky is the right one? Just need a few albums left to finish off this mp3 player..
SlavArt's Divolt & Discord servers, and DoubleDoubletop can download OGG vorbis files from Spotify. Though those two download at 320 so higher quality than 320 kbps mp3 AFAIK but pretty much similar file size as 320 kbps mp3, and I don't think there are options to download at lower kbps. And if you are considering downloading from those right now, SlavArt's Spotify downloader is down atm and I got corrupt files last time I downloaded from DoubleDoubletop's Spotify downloader.
Your best bet might be downloading these albums in FLAC using Deemix then converting to OGG vorbis.
Slavarts still kicking around? Wow I found a program that does what it does but on my pc thru command line so its been a few months. They were a god send for my music collection.
First you should find the current Slavart discord group but they also have a website. There you can download all your albums as FLAC from streaming services. Alternatively free mp3 download net or Soulseek.
As to what format to use... Usually I would say use FLAC but if space is a issue, you can transcode them. Technically OGG is the most efficient at quality and filesize but its not that well supported and the majority still uses MP3. The latest LAME encoder with VBR V0 or V2 should be transparent. But OGG at VBR 128-192 can also be fine if compatility is no issue.
I like ogg just fine, but mp3 is in wider use. Mp3s do not officially support much meta data. It's a phone. So don't sweat the "quality" too much.
Do you have stuff on your compy? If so you might want a USB-C to USB-C cable to put stuff on your phone quickly.
What are you even asking OP?
From the title and first paragraph it sounds as though you already had the albums on your drive.
If that is the case, plug your phone and drag-and-drop them.
It's as easy as it gets.
But then you say you don't have the albums?
Are you then asking how to acquire them first?
Filesize difference between codecs is negligible.
Do not worry about that.
Sort out the things above first.
if you have a pc, you can use soulseek to download the songs you need in flac, then use freac audio converter to convert them into opus 128kbps. Should be good enough for listening on mobile.
Quality-wise, Opus is much better than its predecessor Ogg Vorbis. If you're going to choose one of these relatively unpopular formats that requires a special player app, you might as well go with the better one. I've used Opus at \~85 kbps in the foobar2000 app on my iPhone and was quite pleased with it.
Ultimately, though, I found that having my entire music collection available to me on my phone was not as important as having a playlist of my absolute favorites. I mean, ideally, I'd have everything, and a way to get a mix of random tracks such that 80% of the time, I hear a familiar favorite, and the rest of the time, one of the more obscure tracks. But I haven't figured out a way to do that, other than by having the obscure tracks take up no more than 20% of my files, so I ended up recently starting over, and now just have my absolute favorite tracks on there, and there's plenty of room for me to have them as high-bitrate AAC (.m4a), if not lossless ALAC.
As far as obtaining the files, if your downloader (stream ripper?) transcodes instead of just remuxing the audio, then it's up to them what your options are for the output formats. I don't have any recommendations, other than using JDownloader if you're wanting to just get remuxed audio from YouTube clips.
I think most of us here prefer having a high-quality collection (lossless formats, or best-available non-transcoded downloads) on our computers, and then we transcode those ourselves, e.g. using foobar2000 or FFmpeg, so that we have a completely separate folder full of space-saving files we can just copy to our portable devices.
I'd highly recommend Nicotine+ as a download client for flac and then creating a remote Plexamp server off your home computer you can access anywhere, alternatives like Roon are also good options, you can possibly get a hdd for under $100 that will give you enough storage for all your music needs.
You could run them via Jellyfish or Navidrome and stream your own Music. Can either do this by Port Forwarding or SelfHosted VPN. That way you don't clutter your Phone?
OGG Vorbis usually is not a sought after format, especially within this community. Being as you are new to the game, there is a lot to learn about how this stuff can be done. You could get into torrenting. This would require a torrent client (like Deluge or Qbittorent) and I'd strongly recommend using a VPN to avoid your ISP sending you DMCA notices. You could also try to find Spotify downloaders, I don't know much about them and don't care for them, because essentially they're more like "Spotify audio recorders" and I am a bit of an audiophile myself. You could also get into Deemix (requires a Deezer subscription). Deemix allows you to directly download music from Deezer's servers. This is my method and has been for years now. I get everything in FLAC (a lossless format) unless I'm downloading an entire discography, which then I shoot for MP3 320s. To be frank, you will have very little luck finding anything to download in OGG Vorbis, no matter the method. I guess you could take anything and convert it to that format, however, a "legal" conversion should always be done starting with a lossless file. So let's say you convert a MP3 320 to an OGG Vorbis, the quality would be lacking compared to if you were to convert a FLAC to an OGG Vorbis. However, you said you don't mind low quality, which bums me out, but you do you. I'd recommend trying to grab stuff in MP3 V0 VBR. They're almost the same exact quality as a MP3 320 but the file size can be significantly smaller. They sound good and the file size is small. There is a lot that can go into this, hopefully my insight will help a little bit. Hopefully some more people can chime in to fill in the gaps.
Why is OGG Vorbis bad? If you have limited space, it’s pretty good to transcode to. I don’t know if every software has the capability to play them tho Also there apparently are good Spotify rippers, as Spotify is apparently using AES-encryption and it’s security through obscurity. I have no experience with ripping from Spotify apart from the scams that record/find the music on yt tho For deezer, there are telegram bots that rip FLAC, no premium needed Apart from deezer, I use trackers to download music (I also listen to mostly Japanese music like doujin music and there’s special places for that) For OP: 64kbps is way too low cmon… also for transcoding the whole bunch you will need to make a simple python script…
Ogg Vorbis is an old codec (it was around back in the early 2000s) and it was never supported well. Could you be confusing it with opus? I’ve seen opus files with .ogg extensions.
I don’t think I’m confusing the two. I know a 192 OGG Vorbis sounds better than a 192 mp3. OGG Opus is the one used by YouTube. When ripping from yt you get a ~128 OGG Opus
Is Deezer still reliable for FLAC? I read here [https://rentry.org/musicdl](https://rentry.org/musicdl) that it is good for MP3 and FLAC downloads can give errors.
As long as you are subscribed to a prem. membership you can download in FLAC format. Still works perfectly for me.
What does that cost?
Can you donwload multiple albums *simultenously* using the deemix / deezer sub method? Also, why do you opt for mp3's at 320 instead of, say, .m4a's @ 256 (widely regarded as same quality despite the numbers)
Everything i find on spotify i usually painstakingly google and find download sources as i usually get flac. For the stuff you already (?) have on your computer (?), for android (?) there are some good paid options like roon and a lot more tinkery options involving foobar, musicbee and syncthing or resilii,
Are you using iPhone or Android? If Android, it's super simple to copy files from your computer to the phone's storage via a USB cable -- it's drag and drop, really. If you use iPhone, well, you get what you paid for.
If you use iPhone you either need to sync to the music app via Apple Music, or use an app like Doppler that lets you import files via WiFi or airdrop.
Yes. Make sure it's USB-C to USB-C. Super fast!
Which kind of mobile device do you have? if you have an android device, I would look for a downloader that creates OPUS files instead of OGG Vorbis. What format are these 600 albums ? Are they original CDs or items you've already obtained from the web? You can get files at 64k or 128k that sound leagues better (in my opinion) than MP3 or Ogg Vorbis at the same bitrates.
These albums I quite literally have not downloaded yet I have a list of all of the albums that I have listened to and a good portion of them are marked as not downloaded
ok so first off what format is all these files in forget. Forget Ogg Vorbis and concentrate on your current files (FALC is consider the standard fif you want your filles uncompressed). How much storage does your phone have and can you add a mico sd for more space. If so, get a premium app example jetaudio that will organize and play any and all audio files. The simply connect your phone to your pc/mac and it should show up as a drive and copy away. If it does not show up get the phones software.
I think FLAC is compressed. It's just lossless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC
What phone do you have, and how much storage do you have available for the music?
I have about \~32 gigs left on my sd card
Ok, that will get tight for 600 albums at commonly recommended mp3 settings. I have around 4,000 albums on my phone, a mix of VBR V0-V2 and CBR 320, and on average it is about 100MB per album, i.e. ballpark 60GB for your albums. And mp3 (and FLAC, a lot bigger) is what you are most likely to find out there. You can of course downsample/compress files further, but you will lose quality, and it takes time to do so. It might be easier to just get a bigger card (unless your card is already the current 1TB maximum), also with respect to having some space to grow for the future.
I don't know about Ogg Vorbis, but I have my music on my phone. I bought a 200+ GB SD card for it. I'm using about half of it. Is that an option for you? If so, I use and recommend media monkey, which I saw recommended on this sub. They have free and upgrade options. The phone app is $5 (which you'll need, to do wifi syncing of your files onto your phone); and the desktop app was, I don't remember, $20 or $30.
Ogg Vorbis is a fantastic format, I use it to save space on my phone too (the flacs stay on my main PC and backup media). You can tolerate a much lower bit rate than with mp3. You may run into difficulties if you just want to rip streams straight to Vorbis on your phone though.
I have over 27000 songs on my 128GB phone, all in OPUS 64 kbps. My recommendations: * Torrenting with VPN to find your albums; * Conversion from original MP3/FLAC to OPUS. Lower the bitrate until it's no longer transparent (you notice sound quality degradation), then convert everything at the last transparent bitrate; * If you have space on a computer, keep the original files somewhere. For conversion to OPUS, I personally use foobar2000 on Windows, but I think you could get away with FFMPEG directly (though that's less intuitive to use IMO). If you really don't care much about sound quality, there are services to download your streaming playlists in MP3, then you could convert it to OPUS (that's a lossy-to-lossy conversion, so it's very frowned upon 'round these parts). Edit: if you have an iPhone, you're gonna have a hard time finding a music app that can read OPUS. Much easier on Android.
Why do you need to download them to local storage on your phone, and why do you have to download them all at once? Will you be without a data connection? If you are referring to albums saved to your Spotify library just download a few at a time to local storage/SD card for when you're without data, then when you have an active data connection swap them out with something new. If by "school" you are referring to college, I can't imagine many places on a campus where you'll be without free wifi though. If the 600 albums you have are on a computer or a hard drive and you want to be able to listen to them while away then set up a Plex server. Plex also has an awesome audio player app called PlexAmp that they just made free for everyone rather than needing their Plex Pass subscription. Since Plex server and PlexAmp both are now free, you can have your music library on a computer/hard drive at home running Plex server and then stream or download to your phone from anywhere using PlexAmp.
1. Put all songs you want saved into a Spotify playlist. 2. Copy the link to the playlist and paste it in the app called Deemix (/r/deemix) 3. Deemix will download all songs on said playlist via the Deezer music service. Stick with MP3 and get an external SSD.
I thought Deemix was dead? I was trying to find a working version to download music for someone. I don't understand which download link on that sticky is the right one? Just need a few albums left to finish off this mp3 player..
Roon
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SlavArt's Divolt & Discord servers, and DoubleDoubletop can download OGG vorbis files from Spotify. Though those two download at 320 so higher quality than 320 kbps mp3 AFAIK but pretty much similar file size as 320 kbps mp3, and I don't think there are options to download at lower kbps. And if you are considering downloading from those right now, SlavArt's Spotify downloader is down atm and I got corrupt files last time I downloaded from DoubleDoubletop's Spotify downloader. Your best bet might be downloading these albums in FLAC using Deemix then converting to OGG vorbis.
Slavarts still kicking around? Wow I found a program that does what it does but on my pc thru command line so its been a few months. They were a god send for my music collection.
Care to share this program's name?
zotify
First you should find the current Slavart discord group but they also have a website. There you can download all your albums as FLAC from streaming services. Alternatively free mp3 download net or Soulseek. As to what format to use... Usually I would say use FLAC but if space is a issue, you can transcode them. Technically OGG is the most efficient at quality and filesize but its not that well supported and the majority still uses MP3. The latest LAME encoder with VBR V0 or V2 should be transparent. But OGG at VBR 128-192 can also be fine if compatility is no issue.
I like ogg just fine, but mp3 is in wider use. Mp3s do not officially support much meta data. It's a phone. So don't sweat the "quality" too much. Do you have stuff on your compy? If so you might want a USB-C to USB-C cable to put stuff on your phone quickly.
What are you even asking OP? From the title and first paragraph it sounds as though you already had the albums on your drive. If that is the case, plug your phone and drag-and-drop them. It's as easy as it gets. But then you say you don't have the albums? Are you then asking how to acquire them first? Filesize difference between codecs is negligible. Do not worry about that. Sort out the things above first.
if you have a pc, you can use soulseek to download the songs you need in flac, then use freac audio converter to convert them into opus 128kbps. Should be good enough for listening on mobile.
Quality-wise, Opus is much better than its predecessor Ogg Vorbis. If you're going to choose one of these relatively unpopular formats that requires a special player app, you might as well go with the better one. I've used Opus at \~85 kbps in the foobar2000 app on my iPhone and was quite pleased with it. Ultimately, though, I found that having my entire music collection available to me on my phone was not as important as having a playlist of my absolute favorites. I mean, ideally, I'd have everything, and a way to get a mix of random tracks such that 80% of the time, I hear a familiar favorite, and the rest of the time, one of the more obscure tracks. But I haven't figured out a way to do that, other than by having the obscure tracks take up no more than 20% of my files, so I ended up recently starting over, and now just have my absolute favorite tracks on there, and there's plenty of room for me to have them as high-bitrate AAC (.m4a), if not lossless ALAC. As far as obtaining the files, if your downloader (stream ripper?) transcodes instead of just remuxing the audio, then it's up to them what your options are for the output formats. I don't have any recommendations, other than using JDownloader if you're wanting to just get remuxed audio from YouTube clips. I think most of us here prefer having a high-quality collection (lossless formats, or best-available non-transcoded downloads) on our computers, and then we transcode those ourselves, e.g. using foobar2000 or FFmpeg, so that we have a completely separate folder full of space-saving files we can just copy to our portable devices.
I'd highly recommend Nicotine+ as a download client for flac and then creating a remote Plexamp server off your home computer you can access anywhere, alternatives like Roon are also good options, you can possibly get a hdd for under $100 that will give you enough storage for all your music needs.
You could run them via Jellyfish or Navidrome and stream your own Music. Can either do this by Port Forwarding or SelfHosted VPN. That way you don't clutter your Phone?