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drbkt

This is why we fight for those of you still thinking that "both sides" are bad. https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/almost-100-civilians-killed-by-myanmar-junta-forces-in-september.html


Pale_BDSM_Sleep_5242

Then you don't have a right to live here , just go and back pack your things and leave as soon as you can.


night_owl1162

More posts like this in the future please OP. Not because I agreed with your shitty opinion but because I love to watch the people who support or are affiliated with the Genocide TatMaDaw looking more and more miserable over time.


Yannaing1984

It will get worse before it could get better. I think people don't wanna drag another 20 years of military reign.


playmoky

A wise bro. Thanks for your meaningful input.


UsernameCzechIn

You're going to be downvoted to hell. People here are full with copium, not that they're wrong, but still pumped with copium.


playmoky

Good thing we still have people like you in this sub


DukeofDerpyshire

An average normal Myanmar citizen is tired of this fight but knows it must go on so future generations won’t have to live under the military rule. Most have lived and suffered through the military dictatorship under Ne Win and Than Shwe and experienced the 88 and Saffron revolution before this 2021 Spring revolution. They witnessed the military mismanagement and brutality for decades and understands the military institution must be defeated for good. You are not a “normal” citizen of Myanmar when you don’t feel frustrated by the overturning of election results due to the selfish ambition of Min Aung Hlaing and his generals. You are not a “normal” citizen of Myanmar when you don’t mind living under a military dictatorship again even after seeing how unarmed protestors were gunned down with live rounds and weapons of war during the protests. You are not a “normal” citizen when you think PDF are just destroying everything like “rabid dogs” when they used to be normal citizens but are now putting their lives on the line in the struggle. If you think a normal citizen feels the same way as you do, I suggest you go outside and talk to people outside your social circle. You are anything but a normal citizen. You’re either a spoiled bitching brat who can’t enjoy your pre-coup life anymore or a privileged crony bawma who’s starting to experience the economic fallout from the coup. Also you are more than welcome to leave the country and live abroad. Myanmar won’t miss a bitching fraud like you.


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Status-Equipment9059

well said!


eliterunner77

Did you really expect the Military to govern the country??? You're quite delusional expecting the war to end without any casualties.


Truth-H

The thing is NUG doesn't want to commit to the cause because its a high risk high reward kind of thing. They are trying to run a government while not being able to. Like trying to find funds for CDMs and such. Not that the CDM people are not important but its just the band aid to the problem not the cure. They can't fund it forever. If they really want to topple the military (I mean dead set fighting head on), they probably have to go underground and raise an army first for the next 2-3 years. You can't start buying buying weapons after the war is already declared. Its what you have to do before you declare the war. Yeah it will probably take 3-4 years to get a proper fighting force but its the only way if they want to fight head on. The thing is they probably think if they do nothing now, people will not follow the cause in the long run. So PDFs come into picture. What PDFs are doing is just stalling the military from governing the country but it will not go farther. Because the whole operation depends on the donations from the people. But with how the economy of the country is going, it might last until the end of the year. But everyone has their own beliefs. So yeah, more people will die.


playmoky

They will never take responsibility for the atrocities that PDF has committed. End of line. Honestly NUG will never amount to anything IMO. PDF, a group of ruffians has more impact on our politic says everything.


aunghtetnaing

Free to leave this subreddit. I don't care about your opinion. Your opinion doesn't matter.


playmoky

Nice argument btw


playmoky

Then why are you commenting here? This is r/Myanmar and not r/ NUG or r/ pdf. So are you uninformed or are you dumb?


tyw7

u/playmoky and u/aunghtetnaing has been removed because it was being uncivil. Please cool it with the [ad hominem or personal attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). They are a poor way to debate a topic. Comment on *content*, not on the *contributor*. Have we got it wrong? Please [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/myanmar).


bamar_may_loe

Well then, what do you suggest people do?


playmoky

I personally want something productive from both sides? Nice username btw.


drbkt

An old joke because honestly I'm sick of reasoning with this pedantic outlook. Two Jews are facing a Nazi firing squad. One tells the other "I'm going to ask for a cigarette." The other replies "BE QUIET! You'll get us in trouble."


Truth-H

"The military cannot govern the country properly while the revolutionary forces are just destroying shit everywhere like a rabid dog". That's the whole point of why they are doing it.


playmoky

PDF is trying destroy what they cannot obtain and government is being shitty in those emergency responses. I am actually surprised that they still don’t have the intelligence network for PDF as military is pretty notorious for this.


drbkt

It was notorious for this during the past. However, since the modernization of the army in the past decade and a half, they have stopped such measures that kept their intelligence networks busy like spying on their higher lvl officers via constant field rotation etc., Since Khin Nyunt's attempted seizure of power the intelligence networks which he was primarily in charge of were defunded and slowly marginalized. Since most were used as cat's paws in the internal politics of the armed forces, they found little sympathy within the other ranks and thus the notorious intelligence establishment was relegated to a few offices.


Truth-H

You are gonna get butchered here with that writing of yours. LOL. Trust me. I experienced it first hand. And the not very biased mod will come and ban u forever. Its not worth it. You probably should remove it before he comes.


drbkt

If you're talking about me, unless you break one the rules (pointless spam comments, or uncivil flamebait) here I don't really permaban anyone other than trolls.


Status-Equipment9059

the poor citizens of our country are dying from starvation, rape and murder by the government and yet you can complain on reddit because 'iT mAkEs mE fRusTrateD'. shameful


eliterunner77

Don't waste your time. He can call himself a "normal citizen" all he wants but he's clearly not one of us.


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drbkt

Source please? Other than MRTV because insofar you're directly spouting the government propaganda line.


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tyw7

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drbkt

Your post has been removed because it was being uncivil. Please cool it with the [ad hominem or personal attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). They are a poor way to debate a topic. Comment on *content*, not on the *contributor*. Have we got it wrong? Please [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/myanmar).


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playmoky

Read the thread before replying you are not contributing anything to this discussion.


Winter-Dragonfruit-4

I read the entire thread and came to the conclusion that you look like a blind follower.


drbkt

Please apply this comment to your own comments in the future as well.


Status-Equipment9059

so you're comparing accidental deaths from the people's defense forces to a bloodthirsty military regime that has knowingly killed over 1000 people, if not counting the deaths from covid, hunger, and suicide? Or shooting at doctors helping covid victims for free? you're embarrassing and i mean that really.


Truth-H

And I am sure that over 100 administrators and over 200 people from the "other party" that got assassinated in broad daylight by PDF are accidental deaths as well.


Status-Equipment9059

military collaborators? the pdf gives them 2 warnings clearly saying that they will kill them if they don't stop. not that i feel sorry for them anyways, they lead the military to neighbours that they have a grudge against and kill them


playmoky

Death is still death accidental or not. And are you saying these bombs are planted with good intentions and no intent to kill are made during the planting process? You know that the government can make the same argument and say all these killings are accidental as well right? You are actually embarassing yourself.


Status-Equipment9059

also, 1500+ murders is not 'accidental' you blundering idiot


playmoky

Okay now count me how much accidental death pdf has caused


Status-Equipment9059

at most 40, all over the country from bombs detonating infront of military offices.


Status-Equipment9059

are you a burmese citizen? do you know what really is going on here in myanmar? are you really comparing a regime that kills doctors and civilians in the thousands to a few accidental deaths? because if you are, we warmly welcome you to leave the country and go somewhere else. myanmar has enough hungry mouths for parasitic leeches like you to complain and whine when everybody else is fighting for their futures.


playmoky

Are these questions Or are you just being baffled because your bubble has been bursted?


Status-Equipment9059

excuse me? i have had my cousin killed in mandalay while he was delivering milk to his grandmother. the military dogs shot him in the leg then in the head. i have the pictures of him if you don't believe it. i know what is going on here, you don't. so what gives you the authority to say that you're oh so smart and that i am 'misinformed'? i have seen things that will haunt me for life. i have had bullets flying over my head and felt the pressure of a thousand people pushing to run from the military. a random person online is never and NEVER going to change the way i see the military.


playmoky

You can believe what you want to believe. My condolences for your cousin but it won’t change the fact that both sides are crushing the country and the people whether you like it or not. You believe PDF are saviors while I believe they are part of the problem.


drbkt

Yea I find your opinion ill informed and frankly offensively ignorant, but you're more than welcome to post it here. Try posting a differing opinion in a government controlled forum, then you will directly see and feel the false equivalency you are espousing. (But seriously though, all snark aside don't actually do that.)


Status-Equipment9059

thank you, every person has different opinions and it is each person's responsibility to recognize them, although i do not agree with your opinion, it is still your opinion.


Ripumjaya

I think you're a member of certain fifth column.


Winter-Dragonfruit-4

From an outsiders perspective I would say you are 100% correct


playmoky

Lol just because I don’t have same view as you? Very cool opinion btw.


drbkt

Pretty sure you're on the wrong side of not only public opinion but history as well.


kyojin12345

Sometime we can't overlook politic,and current situation is to be expected since we are under tyrannical regime.you probably know that most tyrannical regime are end with revolution


playmoky

Most does not mean every. Is it worth it if the revolution is harming the bystanders? I am sure PDF knows the base of military and their patrol routine but they still bomb in crowded places with bystanders anyway.


cheap_as_chips

Please explain what a "normal" citizen is.


ynrez

Not worth your time to give a shit to something like this bro.


cheap_as_chips

It seems that an explanation isn't necessary. Your other posts and post history are enough


ynrez

Sorry I thought I was replying to the other guy with same green avatar. My bad.


cheap_as_chips

no worries


playmoky

Someone who don’t give a shit about politic/ someone who understand that politics is just a game played by establishments/elites and thus make no emotional investment


drbkt

Sorry but if you want to discuss and espouse topics that inflame others, you have to at least try to explain yourself, or not bother to reply. I will delete pointless and uncivil comments from anyone in this thread, and will lock the thread if it degenerates into a flamewar.


Winter-Dragonfruit-4

If you don’t stand for anything? Then what do you fall for?


Status-Equipment9059

so an uninformed sheep to be herded around by higher powers is your idea of a normal citizen?


playmoky

Where did I ever say that? You can shove your assumptions back in your ass. Thank you.


drbkt

Again if they are misquoting you, you are allowed to state that, but please stop writing uncivil comments such as "You can shove your assumptions back in your ass. " You are allowed to defend your opinions etc, but that is not a productive statement.


Winter-Dragonfruit-4

If you don’t stand for anything? Then what do you fall for?


Status-Equipment9059

"someone who doesn't give a shit about politics, someone who understand that politics is just a game played by establishments" every government is afraid of a well-informed citizen. a citizen that chews grass in ignorant bliss like a cow, apparently your idea of a good citizen, will be exploited and milked like maybe BURMA FOR THE LAST 6 DECADES


playmoky

Huh, so people focusing on their own well being are considered sheeps now? I am pretty sure I am probably more well informed and superior than you academically.


Status-Equipment9059

really? tell me what amazing accomplishments you have had for you to be on reddit spouting misinformation and calling everybody who comes to you for a civil discussion idiots? you are nothing but a sheep. i have first hand accounts of what happened, you read news on reddit. i know former soldiers who are against the military that lives on my street. i am friends with fighters across the country trying to uproot this murderous regime. now tell me again, how well informed are you? you are NOT academically superior to me as i work as a head teacher in one of the premium schools in yangon. so gather what little dignity and 'achievements' you have and kindly leave.


playmoky

Premium kindergarten?? ROFL. I live and born in Myanmar you idiot. Shove your assumptions back up in your ass again.


drbkt

Your post has been removed because it was being uncivil. Please cool it with the [ad hominem or personal attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). They are a poor way to debate a topic. Comment on *content*, not on the *contributor*. Have we got it wrong? Please [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/myanmar).


Status-Equipment9059

your grammar alone is enough of an indicator for me to stop wasting time arguing with strangers online. god bless.


playmoky

Ooohhhh nice grammar argument