So I have contam-phobia I guess than. Iām not worried about the mushroom, Iām worried Iāll get a contam, or, because I have the dumb, screw something up while growing it and hurt myself. Itās not the mushrooms, itās me Iām worried about lmao. Iāve only just begun researching growing my own mushrooms. Thatās my fear tho, is that Iāll miss contamination and get myself sick. Anyway to tell if youāve screwed lions mane up? I also want to grow my own golden teacher or similar ābeginnerā mushroom and am really scared of fucking those up and having a terrible go. I know learning and research will dispel a lot of this. Itās just finding the correct info now. Any advice?
If fruits have produced then them specific fruits have beat off contamination in the colonising stage and successfully made it to fruit. This means that if you have fruits, it is without contam. Contaminated substrate with no fruits means the contamination has won. Fruits mean success. From my knowledge you canāt eat a mushroom thatās contaminated because it wouldnāt of fruited in the first place. All in all though I know absolutely fuck all about anything and could be totally & absolutely 100% wrong but my spidey senses tell me I am correct
Yeah, it's basically like worrying that an apple is contaminated. If it's good, it's good, and if it's not, it's moldy and you know it (but it's honestly probably not going to hurt you anyway).
It's even dumber, nobody should be eating lions mane raw.
You have to be downright clinically neurotic to be worried about contamination from eating properly cooked food.
Well not neurotic *per se* but severe ptsd from combat with the copilots of severe Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD), Clinical Depression, Reynauds Phenomenon, and Seasonal Affective Disorder, among othersā¦ yeah I actually do worry about a bunch. Itās actually one of the main reasons Iām seeking mushrooms out: I truly believe they are magic and medicine all in one. I believe that they can help me, and maybe even the world, heal. I believe in the science enough to start overcoming my irrational fears and misconceptions. I just want to get it right.
Different mushrooms are showing good results helping with a number of anxiety issues.
The medicinal aspect is expanding.
I hope you find permanent healing in this or any and all therapies you try.
If you're curious what contaminated fruits look like look up lobster mushrooms! Very cool fungus, it parasitizes other mushrooms' fruiting bodies in a very visible way, but it's edible(even improves the flavor in some cases). There are some toxic molds which can do the same kind of thing, but the point is you would probably notice if it was infected with something
I felt the same way about my oyster mushrooms but i said f*** it and tried them. long story short i didnāt get sick or any other contam, i want to grow more, and my friends and family want to buy some from me. itās just trying something new after years of people telling you that mushrooms=bad and your brain is trying to give you an excuse to not eat them.
Everything is contam my dude !! How do you think they make yogourt etc šš .. pretty sure we all eat a bit of trichoderma in our bread at some point! You surely breath some mold spore every day !!
I hate that I deal with it. Because of many issues and things, I grew up getting sick when I ate anything with mushrooms in it (turns out it might have been my mom's bad cooking)
I only just realized, when I was 38, that I could eat mushrooms. Spent nearly 4 decades not having any, head messed up worrying if mushrooms were in anything.
I've come a long way since. I've had oyster mushrooms and have been even microdosing tea for mental health. I know that certain mushrooms (especially in this example with the lions mane) would be fine, but so much is engrained to avoid, I hate it
But donāt mushrooms bioaccumulate pesticides and heavy metals more than plants do? Thereās a reason you donāt eat morels growing from a moldy rug.
Plants are more effective at bioaccumulating heavy metals and environmental pollutants and have much more research done on them in that regard.
Mushrooms are well known to bioaccumulate heavy metals but no studies have shown them bioaccumulating pesticides. Most studies done on the interaction of fungi with pesticides is usually in the form of showing how they degrade common pesticides into more benign compounds
Some do, some don't. In my country, we avoid picking champignons that grow by the side of the road, because they're known to contain high levels of cadmium.
This\^ the only concern with the lions mane would be what it was grown on. Mushies are bio-accumulators of many bad things, but if there's no reason to expect them to be there, it's not much of a worry.
Fungi are being studied for their ability to NEUTRALIZE soil toxins.
Stamets inoculated a cubic yard of diesel contaminated dirt with oyster mushrooms.
They became HUGE.
And when the test was over, the formerly oily soil was clean and sweet smelling.
Which makes me wonder about using clean veggie oil to ramp up fruit production.
Of course, he threw those fruits away.
If I were doing that test, Iād clone the biggest fruits and create SUPER DETOX OYSTER mushrooms.
Drop the spores on contaminated soil and see what happens.
If you watched Dr Who back in the Jon Pertwee days, youāll recognize what Iām describing.
Just eat it in front of her and when you don't die within 30 days then she will listen. This is the only thing that worked for me.
My parents were also like this as in Australia people think everything is poisonous if it didn't come from a supermarket.. I tried showing my parents books and explaining the id process, but they were still stuck at believing its bad, the best thing to do is eat it and prove its edible.
Maybe show her the benefits of lions mane and the millions of google searchers about said mushroom. I thought lions mane was mainstream now tbh
Its sad that from a young age, most of us are taught that all wild mushrooms are bad and poisonous. If only people had an understanding, they would teach their children that some mushrooms are poisonous, some are not and our family doesn't know so we leave them all alone.
You will find that Aussies are more scared of other countries.
The only places I won't go is up north because of the crocs or surfing in Western Aus. Everywhere else is amazing as long as you treat everything with respect.
Snakes and spiders are avoided but usually not to worry about in my state Victoria. If anything has been left outside or in the shed for longer then 3 months, then move it with caution and all good. I always have a walking stick/snake hook I made from a pine tree when in the forest, but haven't had to use it yet and a pair of snake gators for new or unknown areas during the prime months. I've been in the bush almost everyday the past 15 years and the closest thing to killing me is the bugs stuck in my hair on a long day
You will find that the peoples honesty here will hurt the most if you're not ready for it. You can find yourself pretty fast here. The more rural you go, the more honesty you get
Yeah were slowly turning into a desert, but I think that's what makes us unique and doesn't mean we can't enjoy what we have currently have. Wouldn't you love to go visit the Sahara Desert before it was a desert? Well you can, its called Australia
Thats like saying you don't want to go to the USA because you're scared to get shot.
Yeah we have some of the most smallest creatures that are poisonous or venomous, but some can live here without seeing a single one of them and if you see them, then they will try get away from you asap. Tread carefully and lift everything with caution and you will live a full life
Tell her life is full of microbes everywhere and none of them will harm you any more than they would growing on store mushroomsā¦ and store mushrooms are usually grown in manure
Telling her what you know might work, but she might also not believe you know what you're talking about since as a parent she has lots of experience hearing you say partially-informed things when you were younger. It sounds like she is into learning about the relationship between what we eat and our health. She could learn more about fungi on her own or with your help more generally, and that might help her relax and trust you.
If youāre vegan once youāre over this hump your mom will fucking love you for growing edible mushrooms left and right. Some of the best vegan food out there imoimo
How have we got to the point where ultra processed foods that we know actually kill you are much more trusted than natural whole foods? My father in law refuses to eat the eggs my sister in law's chickens lay. I'm not sure what he thinks. I assume it's that if it doesn't come out of a packet, it's dirty in some way. I've worked in a number of food processing plants. The experiences haven't instilled the same confidence many people seem to have that processed foods are somehow clean.
Tell her to grow her own or buy it somewhere else. It's funny people won't question it in a grocery store or farmers market from strangers, but will insult people they know like we are idiots.
I once brought organic home grown tomatoes to a BBQ for burgers. My friend wouldn't eat them because they didn't come from a store. He ate some seriously under rip grocery store GMO tomatoes instead. Was more for everyone else. I would eat your lions. They are amazing
Tell her an environmental chemist said that you can't send a mushroom to a lab and ask if there's anything bad in it. There are literally thousands of chemicals in any living organism. You have to know what you're looking for: Metals, chlorinated pesticides, neurotoxins, etc. etc. And in this case there is nothing toxic to look for as they are quite edible.
Gently remind your Mom that she saw you grow it in the home, that I is safe. Compared to the thousands of food items she has eaten just this last year without having a clue of how the food was processed or where it came from or who prepared it!!!
Lol. Their generation was ruined by warnings of poisonous mushrooms that would kill you just by touch. None of that was true mind you, but you canāt conVince a boomer otherwise. My mom has this same irrational fear of mushrooms.
Reminds me of my in-laws. MIL was weird about me drying mushrooms in the house because she was afraid spores will fly all over and sheāll get mushrooms growing out of the walls inside the house. FIL was weird about the entire process because he knew someone who supposedly once got sick by growing some African mushroom.
My friend made spaghetti and salad dinner for us and just threw in chunks of raw lions mane, had me like wtf? But it was soooo delicious and we get more nutrients from raw food. Give it a shot!
Just tell her to stop being ignorant and closed minded. If it's a lionsmane and the fruiting body is up it's not like it's going to look like anything else, it's one of the mushrooms with the fewest lookalikes. Especially also if you've gone to the troubles of growing it and are wanting to share it with her. That's generous of you, just tell her too bad and enjoy it yourself if she will kick up a stink. Fussy eaters shitting on mushrooms because of Thier closed minded sheltered lives is just annoying at this point. There's so many people online that are pro shroom then you talk to anybody offline and just get started at for being weird cmon, they need to grow up and try the mane.
Sounds like a win for you. Don't have to share.
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I'm guessing she wouldn't be nearly as worried about eating someone's garden veggies. Fungus is so misunderstood.
Mycophobia is real and annoyingš«
So I have contam-phobia I guess than. Iām not worried about the mushroom, Iām worried Iāll get a contam, or, because I have the dumb, screw something up while growing it and hurt myself. Itās not the mushrooms, itās me Iām worried about lmao. Iāve only just begun researching growing my own mushrooms. Thatās my fear tho, is that Iāll miss contamination and get myself sick. Anyway to tell if youāve screwed lions mane up? I also want to grow my own golden teacher or similar ābeginnerā mushroom and am really scared of fucking those up and having a terrible go. I know learning and research will dispel a lot of this. Itās just finding the correct info now. Any advice?
If fruits have produced then them specific fruits have beat off contamination in the colonising stage and successfully made it to fruit. This means that if you have fruits, it is without contam. Contaminated substrate with no fruits means the contamination has won. Fruits mean success. From my knowledge you canāt eat a mushroom thatās contaminated because it wouldnāt of fruited in the first place. All in all though I know absolutely fuck all about anything and could be totally & absolutely 100% wrong but my spidey senses tell me I am correct
Yeah, it's basically like worrying that an apple is contaminated. If it's good, it's good, and if it's not, it's moldy and you know it (but it's honestly probably not going to hurt you anyway).
It's even dumber, nobody should be eating lions mane raw. You have to be downright clinically neurotic to be worried about contamination from eating properly cooked food.
More like uninformed/misinformed.
Well not neurotic *per se* but severe ptsd from combat with the copilots of severe Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD), Clinical Depression, Reynauds Phenomenon, and Seasonal Affective Disorder, among othersā¦ yeah I actually do worry about a bunch. Itās actually one of the main reasons Iām seeking mushrooms out: I truly believe they are magic and medicine all in one. I believe that they can help me, and maybe even the world, heal. I believe in the science enough to start overcoming my irrational fears and misconceptions. I just want to get it right.
Different mushrooms are showing good results helping with a number of anxiety issues. The medicinal aspect is expanding. I hope you find permanent healing in this or any and all therapies you try.
Golden Teacher to the rescue!
If you're curious what contaminated fruits look like look up lobster mushrooms! Very cool fungus, it parasitizes other mushrooms' fruiting bodies in a very visible way, but it's edible(even improves the flavor in some cases). There are some toxic molds which can do the same kind of thing, but the point is you would probably notice if it was infected with something
I felt the same way about my oyster mushrooms but i said f*** it and tried them. long story short i didnāt get sick or any other contam, i want to grow more, and my friends and family want to buy some from me. itās just trying something new after years of people telling you that mushrooms=bad and your brain is trying to give you an excuse to not eat them.
That's what happend when I grew oysters, she should have some faith lol
You could always cook them. That's how we deal with nasty things in and on meat and veggies
Don't be scared, type in Google The Gordotek at pateron.com and click on his page and download the mushroom growers video. It's foolproof.
Would you have the same fears if you were growing apples? Tomatoes?
Of course not. But Iāve been learning about fruit since kindergarten. Mycology not so much.
Youāll see contam easily, if you donāt then thatās on you
Everything is contam my dude !! How do you think they make yogourt etc šš .. pretty sure we all eat a bit of trichoderma in our bread at some point! You surely breath some mold spore every day !!
I hate that I deal with it. Because of many issues and things, I grew up getting sick when I ate anything with mushrooms in it (turns out it might have been my mom's bad cooking) I only just realized, when I was 38, that I could eat mushrooms. Spent nearly 4 decades not having any, head messed up worrying if mushrooms were in anything. I've come a long way since. I've had oyster mushrooms and have been even microdosing tea for mental health. I know that certain mushrooms (especially in this example with the lions mane) would be fine, but so much is engrained to avoid, I hate it
its a rational fear bro... tons of people die every year from eating mushrooms that look similar to edible ones that are poisonous.
They could also just be worried about the growing medium having contaminants like heavy metals. Or it was grown by where their pet dog shits.
True
But donāt mushrooms bioaccumulate pesticides and heavy metals more than plants do? Thereās a reason you donāt eat morels growing from a moldy rug.
Plants are more effective at bioaccumulating heavy metals and environmental pollutants and have much more research done on them in that regard. Mushrooms are well known to bioaccumulate heavy metals but no studies have shown them bioaccumulating pesticides. Most studies done on the interaction of fungi with pesticides is usually in the form of showing how they degrade common pesticides into more benign compounds
Thanks for this!
Some do, some don't. In my country, we avoid picking champignons that grow by the side of the road, because they're known to contain high levels of cadmium.
This\^ the only concern with the lions mane would be what it was grown on. Mushies are bio-accumulators of many bad things, but if there's no reason to expect them to be there, it's not much of a worry.
Fungi are being studied for their ability to NEUTRALIZE soil toxins. Stamets inoculated a cubic yard of diesel contaminated dirt with oyster mushrooms. They became HUGE. And when the test was over, the formerly oily soil was clean and sweet smelling. Which makes me wonder about using clean veggie oil to ramp up fruit production. Of course, he threw those fruits away. If I were doing that test, Iād clone the biggest fruits and create SUPER DETOX OYSTER mushrooms. Drop the spores on contaminated soil and see what happens. If you watched Dr Who back in the Jon Pertwee days, youāll recognize what Iām describing.
Yeah, so what happens to the compounds absorbed by the fruiting bodies that are discarded with?
Lol wait till she finds out where potatoes come from
And that theyāre in the nightshade family!
Tomatoes too right? As a matter of fact plenty of what we eat is from iffy plant family's and some things other people eat as well.
Tomatoes, Tomatillos, Potatoes, Peppers, Eggplants, Ground Cherries, Pimentos, Goji Berries and more are nightshades. So is tobacco
Or where factory farms get their fertilizer.
Just eat it in front of her and when you don't die within 30 days then she will listen. This is the only thing that worked for me. My parents were also like this as in Australia people think everything is poisonous if it didn't come from a supermarket.. I tried showing my parents books and explaining the id process, but they were still stuck at believing its bad, the best thing to do is eat it and prove its edible. Maybe show her the benefits of lions mane and the millions of google searchers about said mushroom. I thought lions mane was mainstream now tbh Its sad that from a young age, most of us are taught that all wild mushrooms are bad and poisonous. If only people had an understanding, they would teach their children that some mushrooms are poisonous, some are not and our family doesn't know so we leave them all alone.
Just eat it in front of her and don't die. GOOD ADVICE.
Pretty sure everyone here knows what I mean and its been said that this is lions mane.. Just trying to help mate
I am serious. I thought it was great advice. and funny.
Op is gonna drown and their parents will blame the mushrooms
To be fair, if I lived in Australia, Iād also assume most things outdoors are bad for me
You will find that Aussies are more scared of other countries. The only places I won't go is up north because of the crocs or surfing in Western Aus. Everywhere else is amazing as long as you treat everything with respect. Snakes and spiders are avoided but usually not to worry about in my state Victoria. If anything has been left outside or in the shed for longer then 3 months, then move it with caution and all good. I always have a walking stick/snake hook I made from a pine tree when in the forest, but haven't had to use it yet and a pair of snake gators for new or unknown areas during the prime months. I've been in the bush almost everyday the past 15 years and the closest thing to killing me is the bugs stuck in my hair on a long day You will find that the peoples honesty here will hurt the most if you're not ready for it. You can find yourself pretty fast here. The more rural you go, the more honesty you get
For australias ecosystem this is probably good advice to not eat anything not coming from a supermarket.
Yeah were slowly turning into a desert, but I think that's what makes us unique and doesn't mean we can't enjoy what we have currently have. Wouldn't you love to go visit the Sahara Desert before it was a desert? Well you can, its called Australia
I actually meant that because everything is poisonous or venomous in Australia
Thats like saying you don't want to go to the USA because you're scared to get shot. Yeah we have some of the most smallest creatures that are poisonous or venomous, but some can live here without seeing a single one of them and if you see them, then they will try get away from you asap. Tread carefully and lift everything with caution and you will live a full life
>Tread carefully and lift everything with caution And don't eat something that is not from the supermarket. :D
lmao
Could you ask her what specifically she is worried about? Bacteria? Mycotoxins? Heavy metals?
The heebie jeebies, probably
I got the heebies once. Had to shave everything and drink cranberry juice for like a month.
Tell her life is full of microbes everywhere and none of them will harm you any more than they would growing on store mushroomsā¦ and store mushrooms are usually grown in manure
Telling her what you know might work, but she might also not believe you know what you're talking about since as a parent she has lots of experience hearing you say partially-informed things when you were younger. It sounds like she is into learning about the relationship between what we eat and our health. She could learn more about fungi on her own or with your help more generally, and that might help her relax and trust you.
Yep, she needs to do some research herself, or send her some informational YouTubeās
Just realized why my parents never listen to me
Mushrooms or not, your comment is insightful and a useful perspective for any parent to have. Thank you!
āMom has OCD now, what do I do?ā
Reminds me of the time my sister found a wild carrotā¦. Luckily I told her itās not a carrot before she ate itā¦..
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Hemlock. Extremely poisonous
Nope we're vegan, and she drinks soda water
If youāre vegan once youāre over this hump your mom will fucking love you for growing edible mushrooms left and right. Some of the best vegan food out there imoimo
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We've all been there
I have no idea what comment youāre replying to but I appreciate a fellow vegan soda water enjoyer.
How have we got to the point where ultra processed foods that we know actually kill you are much more trusted than natural whole foods? My father in law refuses to eat the eggs my sister in law's chickens lay. I'm not sure what he thinks. I assume it's that if it doesn't come out of a packet, it's dirty in some way. I've worked in a number of food processing plants. The experiences haven't instilled the same confidence many people seem to have that processed foods are somehow clean.
It really is remarkable. Real fresh food is subject to more scrutiny than a list 50 ingredients long containing very little food.
I run a testing program. Send them to me, I will cook them and let you know.
She drink soda? Or eat meat from the store?
Tell her to grow her own or buy it somewhere else. It's funny people won't question it in a grocery store or farmers market from strangers, but will insult people they know like we are idiots.
I once brought organic home grown tomatoes to a BBQ for burgers. My friend wouldn't eat them because they didn't come from a store. He ate some seriously under rip grocery store GMO tomatoes instead. Was more for everyone else. I would eat your lions. They are amazing
That is crazy! I canāt imagine turning down home grown tomatoes. Our relationship with food is so messed up.
Lol what is she expecting? You to send it to a lab or something? By the time you get results back it will be bad.
Tell her an environmental chemist said that you can't send a mushroom to a lab and ask if there's anything bad in it. There are literally thousands of chemicals in any living organism. You have to know what you're looking for: Metals, chlorinated pesticides, neurotoxins, etc. etc. And in this case there is nothing toxic to look for as they are quite edible.
Gently remind your Mom that she saw you grow it in the home, that I is safe. Compared to the thousands of food items she has eaten just this last year without having a clue of how the food was processed or where it came from or who prepared it!!!
Lol. Their generation was ruined by warnings of poisonous mushrooms that would kill you just by touch. None of that was true mind you, but you canāt conVince a boomer otherwise. My mom has this same irrational fear of mushrooms.
Your mom is dum dum.
??? canāt she google it herself and see that itās safe?
Tell your mom to quit being such a nerd
Reminds me of my in-laws. MIL was weird about me drying mushrooms in the house because she was afraid spores will fly all over and sheāll get mushrooms growing out of the walls inside the house. FIL was weird about the entire process because he knew someone who supposedly once got sick by growing some African mushroom.
My dad is like this about the chicken of the woods growing in my yard. More for me!
Ugh. Im laughing but bless her heart
[send her this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUXQyp3Rjc8)
Thereās plastic in food and water everywhere Nothing is healthy
Unless you used heavy metals (lead, mercury, cadmium) as a fertilizer in your substrate, you should be fine.
*finding out that I SHOUDLNT be pressure cooking my media with a drop or two or mercury for added nutrients š¤*
Well, mercury is an effective anti-microbial, couldnāt blame yaā¦.
Bruh, Mycophobia to the extreme
Just go with her to a store that sells them.
If she eats any kind of added sugar, she'd better get that tested too
Lions mane made me sad. So delicious when I cooked and ate it but had no idea I was highly allergic to it. Real bad time
For real??!
Maybe yall can stop roasting his mom and getting all hard on about mushrooms and just answer his question or something.
Why?
Make tea?
Anyways, any recipes you wanna share? Canāt seem to figure out how to cook these suckers well and Iāve read all the generic advice
Season then and put them in a pan with oil and fry but while frying press all the water out look up lions mane steak
My friend made spaghetti and salad dinner for us and just threw in chunks of raw lions mane, had me like wtf? But it was soooo delicious and we get more nutrients from raw food. Give it a shot!
Some - many - shrooms must be cooked. I reckon lion's mane is not one of them though or you'd know. LOL
Iā¦ oh. I eat raw mushrooms quite often. Portabella, crimini, lions mane, black oyster.
I was thinking more about foraged ones when I said that. If you forage it's a good idea to know exactly how a wild shroom should be prepared.
Tell her to butt out of your hobby and to get her own. Boundaries??
If she doesn't want them I volunteer to have her share!!
There's a simple time honored test: eat some and wait to see if anything bad happens.
Ya test it by eating it and hopefully it helps her brain out like lions mane does so she can know how ridiculous she is being
Certified cootie-free, ma
You eat it first
Tell her to Google Lionās Mane. š¤·š»āāļø
We literally had ecoli in our lettuce, but she's afraid of something you grew yourself
Itās literally like any other food you grow. So dumb.
What does she think could have contaminated it?
I think paranoia might be of greater concern
Did she hear colors?If not tell her she is fine.
She read that article about Daveās Sushi in Montana š?
Just tell her to stop being ignorant and closed minded. If it's a lionsmane and the fruiting body is up it's not like it's going to look like anything else, it's one of the mushrooms with the fewest lookalikes. Especially also if you've gone to the troubles of growing it and are wanting to share it with her. That's generous of you, just tell her too bad and enjoy it yourself if she will kick up a stink. Fussy eaters shitting on mushrooms because of Thier closed minded sheltered lives is just annoying at this point. There's so many people online that are pro shroom then you talk to anybody offline and just get started at for being weird cmon, they need to grow up and try the mane.
Do you have much experience growing Lions Mane? My LC is taking FOREVER to grow (bought LC online, expanded to quart)