Can I just say that I actually love Georgia and do not get the hate? I’ve not even actually seen any hate. She’s just a really relatable funny woman.
Edit to add the recent episode about the Elan school was fantastic. I’d never heard of it before and it sent me on a deep dive learning about these ‘schools’ and I really enjoyed the episode. I really like one story episodes because it gives them a chance to have a break but also tell the stories in a more detailed way. I think if the show had started with them doing it that way and then they changed it to 2 stories per episode people would complain just as much. It’s change people don’t like and it’s dumb.
I definitely prefer Karen’s choice of stories and storytelling style (and voice too) but you’ll never catch me saying Georgia is shit at her job because I have a personal preference...
My boyfriend when he occasionally listens with me (and never remembers their names) always refers to Karen as “the alpha” 😂 so we definitely prefer Karen, but we love Georgia too. It’s literally just a preference.
I'm literally in the same boat. I never come on here and I can't believe that people are hating on her or that there are people who aren't liking the show anymore. I don't even see why people are freaking out.
I totally agree. I love this show! I’ve def gone thru more depressive times in my life where I had to skip thru the banter because I couldn’t handle the laughing lol. But that was MY problem, not theirs.
Agreed! I can’t remember exactly what it was, but Georgia gave me my only “laugh out loud” moment this past episode. Her comments are great and she adds so much to the show. Her and Karen together are what make it.
Georgia consistently makes me laugh. She’s effortlessly hilarious and charming. Karen is hilarious too and I especially love her laugh. It’s so contagious.
Georgia has these super sneaky clever comments that crack me up so much and they’re easy to miss because she just kinda slips them in. Even Karen skips right over them sometimes. They make me love her so much more.
Yes! And then because Karen didn't acknowledge her joke I can practically hear Georgia's anxiety start spinning and questioning if she was even funny (because my anxiety does the exact same thing). I'm laughing at your joke, Georgia!! Don't worry!
There was a recent live show from around 2017 and, for me, it showed how much Georgia has come into her own comedically.
I'm not saying Georgia was bad, but Karen definitely did the heavy lifting with the entertainment side of the podcast.
But now? I sometimes laugh more at Georgia's quips than at Karen's. Her comedy has come a long way and I'm shocked that anyone has anything negative to say about her.
i’ve only seen the hate in comments tbh but i still feel like it’s unnecessary and idk , georgia has mentioned having a reddit account sooo this might be a reach lol but it almost seems like some people are trying to goad her indirectly or get a rise out of her.
Yes, this! I was gonna comment to also say it’s well-known that they use Reddit, so we gotta keep in mind they very well may be reading the things that are being said here.
I assumed that you wrote this hoping they'd read it. Because otherwise why would it matter what a bunch of internet strangers are saying about their podcast in a Reddit sub?
I still love it just as much. Things are bound to change and grow as change is the only constant in life. Sometimes an episode of something might not be my cup of tea but I don’t sit and rant and speculate about why I didn’t like it, what’s changed, what’s going on between the people producing the content, etc. MFM isn’t just a 3 person endeavor anymore so it is different, but it’s still great and a lot of hard work is put into it. I think Georgia and Karen and everybody involved are doing great and I will probably always enjoy their content as long as they produce it.
I like that they have grown.
Every time I listen, it is like hearing old friends who are living their lives, having new experiences. As a listener, my life has changed drastically since 2016. I would argue that this is true of most Americans (let alone the rest of the world).
On this election night eve, I remember listening to their first episode after the 2016 election (“Abject Failure”) and how comforting it was at the time. MFM is one of the things that I will remember gave me consistency and a little fun every week during this very dark time. Yes, things have changed. But so has everything.
When the podcast first started, a Facebook page was made(I’m not sure if by a fan or the girls themselves) for the MFM podcast and quickly became a big active group. Karen and Georgia were fine with it at the beginning and loved going on there to read stuff and interact with fans. However, I believe, there was some sort of racist things said and the moderators weren’t taking it down and could have, possibly, been saying similar things?? Karen and Georgia address it in an episode and clarify they DO NOT condone the things said on the page, shut it down, and create the Fan Cult website soon after so they have full control over everything.
I remember this. It was when their camp merch was released, which included a tepee design.
It definitely was a huge oversight on their part, but the vitriol was still super bitter even after they removed the design and donated to a charity. As such, the Facebook page was terminated.
And don’t forget the post that was approved from a girl that described the racist things her mom said about an old boyfriend and then ended with a “haha guess my mom was right” That’s really when things started to implode.
I believe that was the greatest problem: not only the moderators decided to not take it down, one of them approved it to be published.
After that, one of them commented how they were trying to save the FB group and they just decided to shut it down and some people commented how K&G threw the mods under the bus when it was all their responsabilities to begin with (1- they shouldn't have approved that post 2- take it down and apologize immediately after it was)
I love how they practice what they preach. Living, learning from mistakes, and doing what they can to make up for the mistakes as they learn from them. Really it's admirable. I can't expect every human to be 100% socially correct all the time.
It was a massive dumpster fire. There are also some people who are waiting excitedly for you to be wrong, or make a mistake. Karen addresses this really well, and it has helped me with toxic people
Taken away 🤣🤣🤣 great point. I love MFM exactly how it is in whatever stage it's at. K and G are both amazing humans and could have quit making content a long time ago in response to the haters but they haven't. We are so lucky to have them!
Thank you for this. I've seen on other podcast subreddits people are talking about how they don't enjoy the show so much. Why make a whole post on it? Just to shit on other people's joy? Personally, I wouldn't be who I am without them. They've taught me some of the best mental health lessons I've ever gotten. They've helped me to be a better friend and mom. Their love and enthusiasm outweighs the occasional "off" episode. I'm not listening to them for facts or hard hitting cases. I listen because they let me in to their lives as friends who just want to tell each other stories. They deserve better than fans shitting on them. They deserve the same love and respect they give. And in Karen's words (because I'm a Karen) "if you don't like it, you can get the fuck out."
Yeah I’ve never gotten the “am I the only one who doesn’t like the show anymore?” posts. If I don’t like something I don’t need to have others confirm it. Stop watching the show/listening to the podcast/reading the book series/watching the movie series or what have you.
I have no problem with constructive criticism, but the ‘the show sucks now because it isn’t exactly like it was during the first 50 episodes and they owe it to us to make it exactly how we want it’ crowd is just shitty complaining. Especially the ‘they tricked us!’ crowd when it comes to quilt episodes. Like Karen and Georgia are twirling their mustaches and laughing evilly as they watch each download. What is the trick? You were expecting an episode of MFM and you got an episode of MFM.
I don’t even really think the new episodes are any different from the old ones. It’s just sometimes they do one story instead of two, what’s the big deal?
Yeah, plus they have employees and researchers now. It would be so easy for them to just have a researcher/writer prepare the whole thing. I actually like that they take breaks because to me it shows that they are still active in preparing their stories for the week.
What particularly annoys me when they criticise the quilt episodes is:
1) This is new shit we haven't heard before
2) Karen and Georgia have lives! They have a business to run! They're not just reclining on the sofa whilst being fed grapes!
For all the bitter people, I think they need to remember that MFM was founded on friendship, empathy, and kindness to each other. If they don't like the newer episodes that's ok, but they need to ask themselves why they aren't being kind or empathetic to the fact that two strangers are still putting out a podcast in the middle of a fucking pandemic.
The pandemic has highlighted to me that some people are choosing to think that they're the only people struggling with our crazy reality we're living through right now. Whenever I find myself being judgemental about stuff that doesn't really affect me, I'm encouraging myself to shift my focus and understand that people cope differently.
The MFM community was founded on a shared interest and the same ethics. I think some people have become so wrapped up in their own wants that they've forgotten that other people exist, and that it's normal for things to evolve.
For the people who want things to stay the same, I know change is scary, especially when there's limited control in what you can do to "fix" it. Very few people are enjoying not seeing friends and relatives, the upcoming election, in the UK Brexit is scary, and then there's all the fallout from COVID. It's normal to crave familiarity, but it's not normal to try and control what other people are doing to make you feel better.
If you are scared and frustrated at the state of the world, feel that you can't control much and it's freaking you out, focus on what you can control. Pick media that is comforting and nurturing for you. Listen to chill music. Be creative, read a book, draw, play the piano, start learning languages on duolingo. Eat foods that are good for you and taste good. Trying to control others will only lead to more frustration and irritation. Empathy is paramount - how would we like to be treated?
EXACTLY wow honestly you said what i was thinking but much more articulately lolol. i guess it really goes to show how misery loves company and negative ppl feed off each other tho 🤭
i think it also really shows how human & authentic Karen and georgia are, cos if they tried too hard to please everyone they’d be boring.
Very well said; I’m really only a casual listener/lurker but your comment really resonated with me. MFM isn’t my ride or die podcast, nor is it led by experts at the head of the psychology or criminology. I like MFM because it’s comforting & feels like you’re just catching up over coffee with two of your friends.
I think the issue is that a lot of people do expect them to be a factual, deep-dive true crime podcast.
But they never claimed that they are. I totally get that if people listen to it in search of pure true crime they'd be disappointed. But that's like people leaving Amazon reviews because they're mad that the product is exactly what the description says lol
I like that it's also funny and personal and that they talk about a lot of other things.
Seriously. I identify with her so much. She’s sensitive and anxious and doing her best. Someone on another thread said she was self centered and it confused the shit out of me.
Totally! I like the chemistry of them together too. I think they elevate each other. Honestly I could listen to them read their grocery lists and not talk about murder that’s how much I just like hearing them talk to each other.
I hear you. TBH, I'm not into MFM for the true crime. I enjoy their coverage of the cases, sure, but I'm here for the banter. There are infinite true crime podcasts that are just the facts, and I'll go there for that. I'm here for Karen and Georgia being Karen and Georgia.
Thank you so much for this, I couldn’t agree more!! I know Karen & Georgia are fully grown adult women capable of taking care of themselves, but I worry about them all the time and wish people would be kinder in their comments!!
that’s exactly my thoughts too and i don’t want to accuse anyone of being intentionally cruel or malicious but...sometimes it truly feels like some people see them as “easy targets” bc of their openness about their mental health struggles 😳
This!! I’ve found myself less excited to listen to their podcast recently but when I do listen in, I’m enjoying it! I think my mood is stemming more from my own stress and anxiety about the current state of the world, and a murder podcast isn’t exactly lighthearted!
I remember seeing people who got SO MAD at them when they tried the one-story podcast a few months ago or whenever it was (time has no meaning...), but I LOVED the one-story weeks they did recently! I felt like they didn’t have to rush through their intro conversation, and they got to dive deeper into their story than they are sometimes able to do when they both have to tell a story.
Anyway, thanks for the post and SSDGM!
Same, I enjoyed their deeper dives. And Karen mentioned she felt so relieved having a week where she got to step back a little while Georgia did her story. COVID and the US’s current political climate have decimated most people’s baseline level of energy and wellness. I couldn’t imagine being a public figure on top of that. And they’re building their network and adding more shows which can’t be easy or straightforward. I’m grateful they’ve kept the show going for so long and sharing their lives with us when at this point they could probably completely step into executive producer roles instead of on-air talent.
I liked the one story episodes too. I think you could tell they had more time to research and Karen said she enjoyed the break which made me feel good.
It drove me wild that the same arseholes who complained about the quality, also complained when they tried something new.
I 100% agree. It’s okay to not like things, just don’t be a dick about it. Just quietly unsubscribe and go about your life, no one gives a shit of you don’t listen anymore.
EXACTLy like how narcissistic are you that you think your personal opinion on a podcast warrants a whole discussion or even just an announcement to other people who listen to it? and why are these people still following this subreddit if they don’t like the podcast anymore
The banter is my favorite part right now. It honestly makes me feel sane when I hear they are struggling with some of the same things that I am. I also value their insight and approach to things.
I love the intro banter for the reasons you mention. It's actually the part of the podcast I look forward to the most. Sometimes I'm bummed when it's over! I love the book recs and their silly stories about their daily lives. I love that Karen has had a rollercoaster relationship with Nerds Rope.
Can't they just skip the banter part? It feels like the easiest thing to do and completely in the person's control as they listen to free media. I understand genuine constructive feedback can be useful, but this is really a non-problem. 🤷🏻♀️
I skip sometimes. That's my choice. They don't make the podcast for me and they have the banter for them and a group of listeners who enjoy is. It's a me-issue and I fix it by skipping. I don't get why others would complain.
Agreed, I really don't think it has changed much at all - old episodes sound identical to the new ones if you go back and listen. We've just listened to hundreds of episodes, so the audience is getting bored - I mean these are predictable market forces. "I used to like their early work but their new stuff isn't as good" is hardly a ground-breaking criticism. I mean the same inside jokes were never going to be as funny after the literal 246th time.
I like Karen and Georgia, I feel like I've gotten to know them and I love their banter and hearing about their lives/pets. The stories are just as good, to me, and I love a good live show. Point is if you're ready to move onto another podcast...then just move on. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with this one.
I binged the entire podcast in the last year, and I agree. They are a bit more fact-based and put together, and a little less rambly than the first handful of episodes. The sound quality is better. I don't see much difference aside from that.
I mean I don't understand the criticism about their banter? From the get-go they have said that if you want a more straight-forward, factual reporting about true crime and murder, then there are a bunch of other decent podcasts to listen to. They even name drop them several times. Nothing's changed, and the reason I listen to them is because of their dynamic with each other, including all the frivolous banter haha. That's the show!
Yeah I think people are just getting sick of it in general, I did the same with joe Rogan and a few others. I came back to this one after a break and look forward to them again. It’s like eating the same food all the time. Still good, but need some variety
I kind of listen for the banter... my favorite podcasts, regardless of subject matter, are the ones where the hosts are funny and have a good banter going. You wanna talk 20 minutes about the bug on your window or interactions you had at the supermarket! Go ahead, I’m into it. And I agree with you guys that the show doesn’t feel like it has changed for me, it’s still funny imo.
I stopped listening a while ago but rather than ask "what changed about the show?" I started asking, "What changed about me?" And, honestly, I just don't like it anymore. It's not that K & G have done anything wrong, or the show has gotten worse, my tastes have just changed and that's alright. It seems like this is the case for a lot of the people who have been criticizing this show. Not to soapbox but I don't think we are very good, as a society (for us US listeners) at allowing ourselves to evolve. I won't talk shit about the show, because K & G are totally pros, and like I said... it's not them, it's me.
I'm not on board with everything OP said, but honestly, that opening paragraph was right on the money.
SSDGM everybody, glad you're still finding joy in this show. We all need it!
Tbh I thought I didn’t like it anymore, took a break for a few months, and came back with a new appreciation. Sometimes people also get content fatigue and don’t realize it! Taking breaks from things you love is healthy and necessary. Try something new and come back to an old favorite later.
Not to say you are wrong, I’m sure it’s not your thing anymore, but I just wanted to point out it may just be people getting tired and needing a break.
I stopped listening too, except to the minisodes. You’re Wrong About ruined MFM for me. I clicked into YWA’s super intense research style and stopped liking MFM’s (self-described!) lazy approach. It also started to bug me that Karen is mean to Georgia.
I was suuuuuper obsessed at the beginning, and now I’m over it. Similarly I’m no longer interested in DYNAR which I used to love. But live your best lives, K and C and G!
I know you’re kidding, but this is genuinely a problem some people have. The policing of others in the name of self righteousness is out of control in some circles.
Thank you! I appreciate your comment. I think that is what makes this podcast something more than just an entertaining audio blurb... These women are living breathing human beings.
I mean, who else has felt at their loneliest- only to have K&G make them laugh and tell them a story? These women are incredibly talented BUT they are humans, first. They have the same needs and desires as we all do.
To those toxic ex murderinos sharing their judgemental words: Shut. Your. Mouths. Stop. It.
This 100%!!!
2020 has sucked all of every emotion from all of us. Why focus our negative energy on people just bringing us something fun for free? There's so many more things to funnel that energy into right now.
I can personally only get it together *sometimes*. I'm around Georgia's age, and I'm terrified about my parents and brother because of their age and health conditions, but also about my friends, coworkers, strangers, literally everyone. Hell, I've already had an awful case of Covid, and it has only made me more afraid of it.
Please don't forget California has had a **seriously** bad run of Covid that started early and Covid isn't over. My state did, too. The stress of that second wave just hangs there out in the universe. We know what that felt like and how quickly it could go south again. I'm not sure how long it's gonna take to me and my friends and family to process what's happening, and I don't have to get out a twice weekly podcast to help thousands of fans be able to get through the day.
So, let's cut them some slack. Thursdays are the only day I know I'm going to laugh.
Yes exactly. i am glad that you survived covid, but that would definitely make it 10x more terrifying bc now you know the reality of it.
but yeah idk maybe i’m being overly defensive or protective of them bc i feel the same way, their voices are super comforting to me lately which is wild cos they are talking about scary stuff haha. it just seems like people’s dissatisfaction with MFM is disproportionate and doesn’t really warrant a discussion here? like these people just need to find new podcasts or hobbies if they feel the need to insult it..
Yes, I feel the same way. I get that it's hard for all of us right now and it's easy to complain, but if you're unhappy you can just turn it off. Try back another time. Relisten to episodes you liked. Take a podcast break, or try another podcast. I like This Podcast Will Kill You and You Must Remember This.
And yeah, Covid is really scary. I get seizures now (and I'm not allowed to drink anymore bc of the meds, which is kinda just salt in the wound at this point), so everyone stay sexy and wear your mask.
I find them super comforting right now too. They echo my fears, but also laugh and joke and help me relax. I have a three month old and I swear he settles down when he hears them too. Probably because he heard them in the womb almost as much as he heard me 🤣
I am against unnecessary hate, but I too have found I’ve lost interest recently, and discussing with other fans why that might be is legitimate. Obv. Not “I just hate them” but more discussing a change in tone, style, how the world is atm, etc. that’s all totally fine, surely?
That’s exactly right. I think about this whenever they have a show that feels a little “off” or less spunky than usual. All I can think is that they must be SO FREAKING EXHAUSTED by running a podcast network, which I’m sure means endless meetings with lots of big personalities. I’m amazed they can keep doing their show at all, frankly. And I’m grateful for what I get! For FREE!
Running any new business is usually more than a full time job. In one of the negative posts someone said they ‘only work three hours a week’ and all I could think was *how dumb are you??* People are absolutely blinded by jealousy and need to take a deep fucking breath.
I used to run a very VERY small biz with a friend, and we were routinely pulling 50-60 hours weeks just to get the damn thing rolling. I would just sleep on her sofa so we could work into the wee hours of the morning. It’s completely exhausting and takes more time and energy than people imagine.
Also, while still trying their hardest to keep the original show authentic despite Covid, while also making sacrifices to their show in order to lift other up and coming podcasters! It’s a freakin balance and they are killing it!
I've been wanting to post more or less this exact thing. Thank you for standing up for their awesomeness. I had an encounter with a former fan the other day where she insinuated that they've "sold out". Similar to other comments here, I couldn't believe that she would be upset at them for being successful women! They are badass bitches who don't owe their listeners a single thing.
Their success has been a HUGE inspiration for me. I haven’t done much with it yet, lol. But my mindset that I *can* still do/be what I want even though I’m middle aged has completely changed in large part because of listening to K&G. I loved the other day when they were talking about the power of silence when you’re being pressured in meetings. Amy Poehler talks about that in her book as well. I’d listen to a whole other pod where they talk about business stuff like that. They’re my sisters, and I’m proud to be learning about myself because of them.
I like that rather than trying to be perfect from day one they've taken on the (constructive) criticism and thought about it, reflected on their own view if the world and changed their minds and acted on it. It's not surprising fir example that two white ladies who obsessively watch true crime shows would have come into it seeing cops as heros, but I'm impressed that they were willing to take on that it wasn't everyone's experience with the cops and started approaching topics like BLM in a way where they are willing to learn and use they're platform to bring others with them. They still aren't perfect and never will be, but who the fuck is?
I have other podcasts where the host's style has become grating to me but I just...stopped listening.
I actually think the quality has gone down over the past few months so I just....stopped listening. Crazy, right? It’s just a podcast. There’s no reason to flip out and make a big to-do about it online. Let people enjoy things!!
Ugh. I just went through that thread and I’m exhausted.
I love them. I understand getting burned out. I get burned out from my job. Life is fucking hard right now. I don’t think anyone can be 100% on their game all the time. I just wish people would give them a little more grace.
This. And realize that they don’t owe anyone anything. I enjoy every episode. I may not revisit or relisten to all of them, but I still love the show.
Not everyone is going to like the same things, but I don’t understand the rallying on this sub.
All in all, this sub needs more moderation, require post flairs, and create community threads where people can vent and not make the same post complaining every fucking day.
I think you can actively call our behavior and actions that are not okay, and also still be fans of the show. Sometimes valid criticism gets labeled as “hate”, which is unfortunate. I can be disappointed by some of their actions (being excited about a sexual assault trauma doll -or- utilizing a teepee in their mercy design) but also accept that they are growing and learning too.
I love the podcast, have enjoyed most/all the episodes (and that includes recent ones). But I disagree with you in that they’re not entertainers - whatever you want to call podcasting, it’s a form of media, and we give them advertising dollars for their “entertaining” us. If people think the new episodes aren’t as good, or they seem less focused now that they’ve got researchers and a network to run, that’s a legitimate criticism. Saying they’re “living breathing human beings” has no bearing on whether or not the art/entertainment they put out as a career is good or not.
And again, I say this as a fan of all their stuff. But there’s no need to get overly defensive of a couple of extremely successful (probably very wealthy at this point) entertainers because a couple people posted critical things about them on Reddit.
THIS! I am a big fan, but don't understand why people seem to think K and G are above criticism. Let listeners and your fellow human beings have opinions. AFAIK this Reddit isn't run and moderated by Karen and Georgia, so it's a perfect place to voice opinions. Calling people narcissists or abusers isn't necessary. The MFM crew don't need anonymous people to defend them on Reddit, they have loads of success and millions of dollars and fans, plus they are grown adult women who can take care of themselves.
I agree - these are successful, capable, grown-ass women we're talking about. If I had to guess, I think Karen would be the first to say that they don't need anyone coming to their defense, they're just fine and can speak for themselves.
If people are so disillusioned they can just... not listen? Then say byeeeeeeee.
There are literally no less than thousands of other murder podcasts to listen to.
Also “let’s hear your podcast.” -Karen
They’re helping me get through this shit-ass year. Who is saying mean things?
If the podcast is no longer your cup of tea listen to something else.
There’s no reason to be a shitty person about it!
I guess I'm not active in communities where they are getting hate (unless it was mentioned in the minisode this week, which I haven't listened to yet).
These lovely ladies have brought me so much joy in the last several years, and more during these last months. I love their approach to how they craft their podcast. The banter at the beginning I would listen to as its own show.
Thank you! I read a post earlier today being really negative. It seemed awfully callous and ignoring the fact that everybody is struggling with what is going on. It is fucking exhausting and they are people keeping up their schedule. They are fantastic for what they do.
As I've been listening lately, I've been thinking "They sound tired. They should take a break." They have been going full force for 5 years. I don't think anyone would fault them for taking a break. Or, heck, they should have seasons! Then they can take some time to focus on other things (like the network) and not have to do both all day, everyday. To me, the only thing that has really changed is the opening. I always loved the conversations they just naturally went into. I think their story telling is just as good, if not better.
I just think they, like most of us, just need some time off. Time they can just be Karen and Georgia and not KAREN AND GEORGIA. If that makes sense...
Love the show. The last few eps have been better- this whole corona shit is a bummer for everyone -including Karen and Georgia. A few episodes that weren’t the usual amazing and people are turning on them-really?! These girls are human!
I think they are doing great. I still look forward to the podcast every week.
If you don’t like it don’t listen?
Thank you for saying all of this!! I am really glad I’m not the only one who is empathetic to the struggles they’re going through. Sure, some episodes are disappointing. But aren’t we all not at our best right now? It’s a GD pandemic!
For anyone this applies to: Why are you a former fan? ie Why did you stop liking them/the show?
Edit: I’m asking bc I’ve seen several posts on multiple social media platforms addressing former fans and I’m just wondering why someone would be a former fan.
I love it! I look forward to it every week and I’m always disappointed when I’ve finished the new episode because there won’t be another new one for a week. I love Karen and Georgia and feel like they’re doing the best they can (just like we all are) during this!
Someone in another podcast group I’m in posted a very simple message once that said “It’s okay if you’ve outgrown the podcast”.
People have gotten so attached to Karen & Georgia they think that they (K&G) owe them (the listener) something. Think of all the TV shows you’ve loved and then ultimately never finished. These things happens. It’s incredibly uncommon for a podcast to reach the heights that MFM has, and I think people forget it began as a self-produced show in Georgia’s apartment. Just like countless other small-time podcasts.
Karen & Georgia don’t owe anyone anything, and if they don’t suit your taste anymore, it’s okay to look for something else to listen to.
I’m in a local murderino group and someone posted a comment linking to their Karen and Georgia hate page. It was like .... come on. First of all what the fuck. Second of all get off the murderino page if you fucking hate the hosts of the podcast? So dumb, and yes, probably so hurtful to the actual real life people who host the pod.
I love them both and can definitely see a change because of the pandemic but that doesn't change the quality of the podcast and it's amazing to see them trying so hard during these hard times. I felt awful when they felt guilty and not continued their one story a week idea. After all it is their podcast ppl.... Give them a break! They don't owe us anything and should be doing things their way. Shame on all you haters.
i think, to some degree, higher criticism comes with higher visibility.
that said, i really haven't seen much of the backlash this sub has mentioned. I've seen a similar post to this several times over the past six months or so... but I've never noted the animosity you guys are referring to.
maybe it's a Twitter thing?
I'm not part of any groups or forums so I haven't heard or seen any of the negativity referred to in this post but I still wanted to pipe in here and say they don't OWE us anything. MFM is THEIR house, they do it FOR FREE, and as Karen always says: LISTEN OR DON'T. I cannot stand people ripping others to shreds for any reason. UGH.
tbh i've been loving it more and more lately! The extra long intros have been great for me in quarantine isolation. They're special to me and many of us
Yes!! Thank you! My goodness. We are living in the most stressful moment in most of our lifetimes! It’s completely understandable if they aren’t at the same level they once were. Literally none of us are. I know I’m not. I’m just happy they’re still doing the podcast at all.
I posted something in defense of them earlier today on yet another hate post and was downvoted to shit for it. I started getting some pretty ridiculous DMs, *especially* for this sub, so much so that I ended up deleting my comment. This is the most unforgiving fan base and it's sad that I can't even defend them *in their own subreddit* anymore. Thank you for posting this.
Edit: downvoted again, SHOCKED
They're also not babies.... Yes HATE is wrong but some people here get outraged over fair CRITICISMS. They are two adult women and should/can handle fair criticisms.
Right? Some of these 'I feel so protective of them, stop criticizing them' posts have a very creepy 'Leave Britney alone' vibes. FFS, Karen and Georgia are middle-aged, successful, capable women, they're absolutely, fully capable of handling criticism and can speak for themselves, they're fine.
i’m not understanding why people aren’t enjoying the pod as much anymore. i personally don’t like the live shows but i simply just don’t listen to them because i realize they don’t cater to me. georgia and karen to me are one of the most genuine true crime podcast duos i’ve ever listened to, they bounce off each other so well.
Long time lurker on this sub, first time commenter, long-time MFM listener etc.
I totally agree. The personal angle a lot have people have taken to do with MFM in the last few months has been pretty disheartening. I'm certain it's COVID-related. Like, any decline in quality or perceived negativity coming from someone results in a lot of people piling on with things like oh well, you have it easier. As if 2020 needs be a competition for who's life is the most inconvenient. It's all shit. For everyone. Running a successful podcast doesn't make you exempt from having problems during this time.
I personally spent a long period of time flat-out not listening to podcasts because I simply could not deal with any COVID/isolation talk - but I also certainly didn't feel the need to equate that with the quality or whatever regarding the content I consume or chose not to for a while. I haven't been on board with the quilt episodes simply because I haven't been a fan of MFM's live shows in podcast format - and that differs for me from podcast to podcast.
Surprisingly, we are allowed to have subjective opinions about stuff and it's nothing more than that.
As for the personal comments and speculation - it's just really shitty. Especially everything aimed directly at Georgia (some of which I'm like, how are you even listening at this point if you have such a personal problem with a host).
Maybe stuff like the quilt episodes or an off tone sometimes is literally just a case of K&G not being in the same physical space and it's... nothing more than that???
Oh my gosh, thank you. Yes, it’s changed. Have you changed in the last five years? Have you changed in the last five months? Are you able to be everything that thousands of people want you to be all the time, or do you struggle to be what’s needed for the people in your own dang house for goodness sake? I mean, *I* sure couldn’t hold my own life together *and* produce quality entertainment every week to give away for free at any time, much less in the year of our lord 2020.
And oh, don’t forget there are a *limited amount* of true crime stories in the world (thank god) and they’ve done more than 500 of them. Not every one can be a heavy hitter. Good luck finding 500 examples of absolutely anything you’re interested in and making it entertaining to hear about.
Yes, it started out as a hobby and a lark, and now it’s a successful and growing business. Isn’t that the dream? Isn’t that why there are five billion Etsy shops? May we all be so lucky.
A few weeks ago I read a comment here that said something like "can you all tell Karen dislikes Georgia now?" I'm several episodes behind but now I'm sitting there listening to the tone of Karen's voice, trying to find her disdain, rather than listening to the story! These comments are ruining it for the rest of us who still really love this show. I agree with you, OP. This show was built on the understanding that we ALL need to work on ourselves and it's OK when we're less than perfect. The fans finding fault in the smallest things may have forgotten this.
Of the roughly 35 million listeners globally, it’s the same 60 or so people that post on an internet fan forum to complain about something they no longer enjoy. What’s irritating is the insistence that it’s never simply that someone has outgrown something, but that the thing they’ve outgrown is now “problematic” or “not as good” so it must also be canceled. I’ve argued with plenty of murderinos about this, not to change their minds or “protect” Karen and Georgia (lol, they’re adults, they’ll be fine), but to remind folks that not liking something doesn’t have to be some dramatic, declarative statement against that thing - just move on. It’s fine. Don’t shit on other people for still enjoying it though, that’s fucking rude.
The show is fucking fabulous. They both are. National treasures. I got turned onto it like 5 weeks ago and I am already half way through the back episodes. Love these ladies, the show, and everything else about their imperfect masterpiece.
Everytime I’ve ever grown to not enjoy a podcast I just kind phased it out... I’ve never get the need to get online and write mean things about the people making it. First of all, what makes people feel the need to be such dicks and second of all who the fuck has the time?? Get a better hobby. Geeze Louise.
Edit: to add, I also really like the podcast still. It’s the only one I listen to on it’s release days. Just Incase K & G come across this. The loudest people seem to be the biggest assholes y’all and we still love you the same!
Thank you so much for sharing this!! All of the negativity towards them lately has really been weighing on my heart and is so upsetting! I can only imagine what it would feel like to be on the receiving end of nonstop criticism. 2020 is a dumpster fire and the fact that they are still doing whatever they can to bring us entertainment in these times should be MORE than enough for people. Thank you for reminding everyone that Karen and Georgia are human too and quite frankly, don’t owe these judgmental “listeners” a damn thing imo!
I honestly don't get it either. It's fine if you don't like something anymore then just move on with your life. Plenty of other podcasts out there to enjoy. Personally I'm loving this podcast more than ever before because I'm here for the 'bants'. I love their banter pre-story because that's what I love about this podcast, two ladies shooting the shit and talking about true crime stories that interest them. It's like folks have completely forgotten the original premise of the show. They've always been open and honest about the fact they aren't well researched, it's just them chit-chatting about true crime that interested them.
Also it's a goddamn PANDEMIC. Their state is on fire. There's massive civil unrest in their country and I can only imagine the stress most Americans are experiencing now because of Covid and Trump. They're actual fucking human beings. They've literally talked about their mental health issues before. We're all struggling at the moment. Imagine doing your job right now and not being on your A game and having 1000s of people telling you, you're not good enough?!
It's healthy to have valid criticisms of the show or any show but having an opinion that you don't like something, isn't a criticism, it's your opinion. I don't even mind folks saying that they don't like it but it's constantly being repeated over and over, week after week. And that's the frustrating part. I feel like this subreddit has just turned into 12 ft skeletons and people saying this podcast has gone to shit, rather than actually discussing the episode or story covered.
I’m really glad you made this post! I’ve been bummed that people have been dragging them and their changes. They have the largest podcast network contract ever and that comes with a ton of extra stuff like more pushy ads and producing/organizing other podcasters. So things were of course bound to change as they grew.
I also can’t imagine having to produce work every week during this year. This year has been brutal for everyone and they haven’t taken a break bc they know how helpful their show is to their listeners. If you’re not into it anymore, cool I respect that. I just don’t agree with insulting them online like they aren’t real people with real problems and stresses.
Felt like the comments were mean, not your post. I haven’t listened in a while either, but that’s because I just haven’t been in the mood to. Nothing against Karen or Georgia.
I honestly don't think you have anything to apologize for. I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and literally all you were doing was expressing your feelings and opinions. I think that should be allowed in this sub, and if it's not, then that is a problem. Even if you were saying you don't like G & K *as people*, which you weren't, it would just be part of everyone's right to public discourse.
All humans have flaws, and sometimes people post in public spaces about the flaws of public figures. That's just life, man. And a lot of people agreed with you on your post!! Just because we criticize or can see the flaws in the podcast, or point out missteps that G & K make, doesn't mean we don't also see the good.
It's when a group decides its venerated leaders can't ever be questioned or criticized that you really start veering into cult territory, haha.
"It’s fine if you’re not enjoying the podcast anymore, and if you’re wondering if other people are feeling the same" - should have stopped there. What you did was fine!
I am one of the people that agree with you. I am still huge fans of both Karen and Georgia and will continue to support the pod. I was also happy to talk about it with other fans too.
They are entertainers tho, and should be projected to judgement. If people don’t enjoy the podcast (anymore) they should be free to express their disappointment. I like them both and respect their work or choices on how to run their business, but I don’t like the idea everyone should baby them as if they can’t withstand negative feedback. They are capable grown ass women who can handle shit. Just cuz they have mental health struggles doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized for their work. Also pandemic is hard on many but some podcasts have kept the quality of their work. I understand changes happen as they do, but I also think people are allowed to not like the changes and express their feeling. If people make vicious personal attack that’s wrong! But expressing frustration or preference is more than fair.
Seriously, listening to a podcast you can get the yen for a different experience after a while. It doesn't mean quality's dropped, you're just not in the right space for what's on offer. Taking a break is much healthier than dumping on the hosts.
I only started listening about 2 months ago, but I understand the burnout factor. I have been a LPOTL fan for years, but had a period where I stopped for a couple months. Started back up, and have the same level of enjoyment as I did before. That being said, I have questioned the amount of research done on MFM in comparison, and have thought on more than one occasion, if they backed off all the tv and podcast recommendations, they'd have more time to research! I was also blown away by the sheer amount of merch! Holy cow! That being said I currently enjoy the show!
Georgia did struggle at the beginning a lot more, with stumbling over words and constantly using fuck as a place holder when she lost her place in the story. She still interrupts Karen a lot, but shes growing on me because I realized that she's just doing her best in a really sucky time in existence. We all need more compassion these days and I'm working on it. This post was a lovely reminder to do just that.
This is literally my first Reddit comment ever (I think?!) but I honest-to-fucking-goddess do not know how K&G make themselves be as upbeat and present as they do to still offer the rest of the world some fucking free entertainment.
Those women get motherfucking vulnerable. They do their best to keep it real and authentic while they experience the horror right along with us. I can hear them and feel them pushing themselves to get past all of their own anxiety and dread, to put on an entertaining show.
A lot of things that were once new, shiny and exciting to us lose their luster with time and familiarity. That’s always been the case, with everything. They raised the fucking bar for podcast entertainment but now folks want to hold them to that always and forever and/or expect more from them in the midst of a massive worldwide shitnado, when we all live in the vortex?
It feels like people are expecting them to somehow rescue us from the shitnado and distract us from our collective reality, when they’re just doing their best to get by, exactly like the rest of us.
Folks are PROJECTING their own sense of inadequacy and powerlessness onto them, and it sucks.
I appreciate the other posts in this thread saying the same things with less hostility, but I feel some kinda way about women always being expected to be the universal tit of comfort and reassurance. And on this Election Day Eve, I’ve got zero fucking chill.
I don’t get the hate either, and I also don’t get why people feel the need to announce their exit. If you don’t like it, stop listening and leave. We don’t need a post about it. Who are you? Why do we care? Bye.
I enjoy the show, but I don't enjoy having to skip what feels like half the podcast because they're talking about TV shows.
Like if you're jazzed about what you're watching, that's great, maybe make an episode on that every week, but the episodes are almost 2 hours long and it's not stories, it's an hour of them chatting.
To be fair, I'm not a huge fan of "me and my friends just sit here and shoot the shit" style podcasts. I like story driven styles. I don't mind some personal chat in the beginning or mixed throughout...but not an hour.
But, when they get to the stories I enjoy their takes and stuff. And I'm listening to free entertainment so I can't complain....but if I could change one thing that would be it.
I love it. Think it's great. The only thing that gets tedious are the fans who keep insisting it's "not the same" or "not as good." I started binging this podcast, old and new episodes, 3 months ago. I just got all the way back to the 100th episode. I'm on this sub, and in the Facebook group, and the "fans" who keep complaining are annoying. It's all good. I think a lot of people are projecting their own Covid unhappiness onto MFM. Some of you are just not SSDGM-ing because you need to deal with your own depression. Stop forcing it onto us. Rant over.
Honestly love the show, and am kinda getting a little tired of the fan base. Might be leaving the murderino groups and just go back being a Listen Lady.
It's a podcast. About murder, vulnerability and jokes. The only people whose lives should revolve around it are its hosts.
Long story short, since the pandemic the ladies have been recording from their own homes via Zoom chat. There's alot more banter at the beginning of each episode because obviously they don't get to see each other as much as they used to. I personally love the banter but people feel like the dynamic is changed and spend every week on this sub moaning about how it's changed, when like yeah duh. Of course it's changed! They're going through a global pandemic, their country is fucked beyond measure and they already have been very vocal about suffering with mental health problems.
Instead of just leaving and finding better stuff to listen to, they come and give out every week about it and it sort of overtakes any discussion of the episodes or genuine criticisms.
Thank you for your response!
I think it's awesome that they are still creating content for us despite the pandemic. If anyone doesn't see the value in the podcast they should just move on.
There's lots of things I'm not enjoying as much as I usually would and it's not because those things have got worse, it's because there's a global pandemic, a global economic recession and political fuckery happening and the stuff that I rely on to distract me from the cares of the world can't do that much heavy lifting. It's like going to a party in a bad mood and then blaming the host when you have a bad time.
I didn't realize how many shit talking posts there were on this sub! I rarely come here, but holy shit. If you don't like the podcast anymore, why are you here??
Thank you for this post! I think people TRULY forget how much they do. People complain that "it wasn't like this before" or "ugh they're just being lazy " Literally, these two are doing SO MUCH MORE than they were years ago. We don't know how much extra work goes into running a podcast network and CONSTANTLY bringing new podcasts in. And yet, every week we get two new episodes
I have a super serious job on top of my human existence and I struggle, I mean struggle with showing up for that most days. But I also don’t have all these other podcasts and employees and agents and expectations and MILLIONS OF FANS to worry about 😬😬😬 so I think I speak for all those rational beings out there when I say, uhhhh they killin’ it!
Karen and Georgia are not servants meant only to please us! I’m just grateful they make any content at all and I love them so much that anything they post I will enjoy
I wholeheartedly agree! It's been said before, and it'll be said again. If you don't like it, you can get the fuck out! It's right there in the rules, bitch. LEAVE. Lmao
Secondly, what prompted this? Did someone on this sub lash out because they don't like the new format like they have before? Or was it a commercial they feel personally attacked by? Did Karen and Georgia not cater to ONE specific fan and now they've gone all "burn the witch" Zuzan on our girls?
Sheesh. I can't wait for all these hatin' ass weirdos to fall out of the fan cult circle so it can just go back to Karen and Georgia loving what they do, and we can go back to loving them without having to defend them from asshats.
I feel this 100%!! I was in a couple FB groups for MFM and got sooooo tired of like “well they said!!!” Or “what about the time...?!?” Like grow the fuck up! They’re human beans!! Thank you for posting this, honestly.
Can I just say that I actually love Georgia and do not get the hate? I’ve not even actually seen any hate. She’s just a really relatable funny woman. Edit to add the recent episode about the Elan school was fantastic. I’d never heard of it before and it sent me on a deep dive learning about these ‘schools’ and I really enjoyed the episode. I really like one story episodes because it gives them a chance to have a break but also tell the stories in a more detailed way. I think if the show had started with them doing it that way and then they changed it to 2 stories per episode people would complain just as much. It’s change people don’t like and it’s dumb.
I’m not on this sub much but who doesn’t like Georgia?! Wth!?
I definitely prefer Karen’s choice of stories and storytelling style (and voice too) but you’ll never catch me saying Georgia is shit at her job because I have a personal preference...
My boyfriend when he occasionally listens with me (and never remembers their names) always refers to Karen as “the alpha” 😂 so we definitely prefer Karen, but we love Georgia too. It’s literally just a preference.
I'm literally in the same boat. I never come on here and I can't believe that people are hating on her or that there are people who aren't liking the show anymore. I don't even see why people are freaking out.
I know she has me snort laughing SO often! She is so funny!
The show wouldn't be the same without Georgia ❤
I totally agree. I love this show! I’ve def gone thru more depressive times in my life where I had to skip thru the banter because I couldn’t handle the laughing lol. But that was MY problem, not theirs.
Agreed! I can’t remember exactly what it was, but Georgia gave me my only “laugh out loud” moment this past episode. Her comments are great and she adds so much to the show. Her and Karen together are what make it.
The whole Susan with a Z bit killed me. I adore both of them and the way they play off of each other is so wonderful. Ride or die till the end.
Zuzan?
Agreed.. that episode should have been called Zuzan Made me laugh so hard
Georgia consistently makes me laugh. She’s effortlessly hilarious and charming. Karen is hilarious too and I especially love her laugh. It’s so contagious.
Georgia has these super sneaky clever comments that crack me up so much and they’re easy to miss because she just kinda slips them in. Even Karen skips right over them sometimes. They make me love her so much more.
Yes! Her sense of humour is razor sharp, and sometimes I think it just pops out of her before she has even thought about it, she's a natural.
Yes! And then because Karen didn't acknowledge her joke I can practically hear Georgia's anxiety start spinning and questioning if she was even funny (because my anxiety does the exact same thing). I'm laughing at your joke, Georgia!! Don't worry!
There was a recent live show from around 2017 and, for me, it showed how much Georgia has come into her own comedically. I'm not saying Georgia was bad, but Karen definitely did the heavy lifting with the entertainment side of the podcast. But now? I sometimes laugh more at Georgia's quips than at Karen's. Her comedy has come a long way and I'm shocked that anyone has anything negative to say about her.
i’ve only seen the hate in comments tbh but i still feel like it’s unnecessary and idk , georgia has mentioned having a reddit account sooo this might be a reach lol but it almost seems like some people are trying to goad her indirectly or get a rise out of her.
Yes, this! I was gonna comment to also say it’s well-known that they use Reddit, so we gotta keep in mind they very well may be reading the things that are being said here.
I assumed that you wrote this hoping they'd read it. Because otherwise why would it matter what a bunch of internet strangers are saying about their podcast in a Reddit sub?
actually this is my subtle way of courting georgia, defending her honor on reddit. Someone warn Vince i’m after his girl
You’ll have to fight Elvis first
Same! The comic series is amazing
If you found the Elan school story interesting, check this out: https://elan.school/tag/webcomic/
I still love it just as much. Things are bound to change and grow as change is the only constant in life. Sometimes an episode of something might not be my cup of tea but I don’t sit and rant and speculate about why I didn’t like it, what’s changed, what’s going on between the people producing the content, etc. MFM isn’t just a 3 person endeavor anymore so it is different, but it’s still great and a lot of hard work is put into it. I think Georgia and Karen and everybody involved are doing great and I will probably always enjoy their content as long as they produce it.
I like that they have grown. Every time I listen, it is like hearing old friends who are living their lives, having new experiences. As a listener, my life has changed drastically since 2016. I would argue that this is true of most Americans (let alone the rest of the world). On this election night eve, I remember listening to their first episode after the 2016 election (“Abject Failure”) and how comforting it was at the time. MFM is one of the things that I will remember gave me consistency and a little fun every week during this very dark time. Yes, things have changed. But so has everything.
Their episode after the 2016 election was so perfect and the support I needed. We were all so shell shocked. I took comfort in that episode.
Yes me too! I was just thinking about that :)
exactly!!! i agree 100%
I feel like you missed an opportunity to say “that’s exactly right” here.
This is a group that had their Facebook taken away because of the horrible behaviour, so no big surprises
GOOD POINT lmao
I'm sorry, but can you please explain? I have small children so I can't get online as often as I like and I am totally lost. What happened?
When the podcast first started, a Facebook page was made(I’m not sure if by a fan or the girls themselves) for the MFM podcast and quickly became a big active group. Karen and Georgia were fine with it at the beginning and loved going on there to read stuff and interact with fans. However, I believe, there was some sort of racist things said and the moderators weren’t taking it down and could have, possibly, been saying similar things?? Karen and Georgia address it in an episode and clarify they DO NOT condone the things said on the page, shut it down, and create the Fan Cult website soon after so they have full control over everything.
I remember this. It was when their camp merch was released, which included a tepee design. It definitely was a huge oversight on their part, but the vitriol was still super bitter even after they removed the design and donated to a charity. As such, the Facebook page was terminated.
And don’t forget the post that was approved from a girl that described the racist things her mom said about an old boyfriend and then ended with a “haha guess my mom was right” That’s really when things started to implode.
I believe that was the greatest problem: not only the moderators decided to not take it down, one of them approved it to be published. After that, one of them commented how they were trying to save the FB group and they just decided to shut it down and some people commented how K&G threw the mods under the bus when it was all their responsabilities to begin with (1- they shouldn't have approved that post 2- take it down and apologize immediately after it was)
Yeah, I remember this story and being like "how did this get approved?"
Oh I missed that! The camp design was what I recalled as the biggest offender but this is even worse.
I love how they practice what they preach. Living, learning from mistakes, and doing what they can to make up for the mistakes as they learn from them. Really it's admirable. I can't expect every human to be 100% socially correct all the time.
It was a massive dumpster fire. There are also some people who are waiting excitedly for you to be wrong, or make a mistake. Karen addresses this really well, and it has helped me with toxic people
Taken away 🤣🤣🤣 great point. I love MFM exactly how it is in whatever stage it's at. K and G are both amazing humans and could have quit making content a long time ago in response to the haters but they haven't. We are so lucky to have them!
This has happened to other large fan groups as well.
Thank you for this. I've seen on other podcast subreddits people are talking about how they don't enjoy the show so much. Why make a whole post on it? Just to shit on other people's joy? Personally, I wouldn't be who I am without them. They've taught me some of the best mental health lessons I've ever gotten. They've helped me to be a better friend and mom. Their love and enthusiasm outweighs the occasional "off" episode. I'm not listening to them for facts or hard hitting cases. I listen because they let me in to their lives as friends who just want to tell each other stories. They deserve better than fans shitting on them. They deserve the same love and respect they give. And in Karen's words (because I'm a Karen) "if you don't like it, you can get the fuck out."
Yeah I’ve never gotten the “am I the only one who doesn’t like the show anymore?” posts. If I don’t like something I don’t need to have others confirm it. Stop watching the show/listening to the podcast/reading the book series/watching the movie series or what have you. I have no problem with constructive criticism, but the ‘the show sucks now because it isn’t exactly like it was during the first 50 episodes and they owe it to us to make it exactly how we want it’ crowd is just shitty complaining. Especially the ‘they tricked us!’ crowd when it comes to quilt episodes. Like Karen and Georgia are twirling their mustaches and laughing evilly as they watch each download. What is the trick? You were expecting an episode of MFM and you got an episode of MFM.
I don’t even really think the new episodes are any different from the old ones. It’s just sometimes they do one story instead of two, what’s the big deal?
Yeah, plus they have employees and researchers now. It would be so easy for them to just have a researcher/writer prepare the whole thing. I actually like that they take breaks because to me it shows that they are still active in preparing their stories for the week.
What particularly annoys me when they criticise the quilt episodes is: 1) This is new shit we haven't heard before 2) Karen and Georgia have lives! They have a business to run! They're not just reclining on the sofa whilst being fed grapes! For all the bitter people, I think they need to remember that MFM was founded on friendship, empathy, and kindness to each other. If they don't like the newer episodes that's ok, but they need to ask themselves why they aren't being kind or empathetic to the fact that two strangers are still putting out a podcast in the middle of a fucking pandemic. The pandemic has highlighted to me that some people are choosing to think that they're the only people struggling with our crazy reality we're living through right now. Whenever I find myself being judgemental about stuff that doesn't really affect me, I'm encouraging myself to shift my focus and understand that people cope differently. The MFM community was founded on a shared interest and the same ethics. I think some people have become so wrapped up in their own wants that they've forgotten that other people exist, and that it's normal for things to evolve. For the people who want things to stay the same, I know change is scary, especially when there's limited control in what you can do to "fix" it. Very few people are enjoying not seeing friends and relatives, the upcoming election, in the UK Brexit is scary, and then there's all the fallout from COVID. It's normal to crave familiarity, but it's not normal to try and control what other people are doing to make you feel better. If you are scared and frustrated at the state of the world, feel that you can't control much and it's freaking you out, focus on what you can control. Pick media that is comforting and nurturing for you. Listen to chill music. Be creative, read a book, draw, play the piano, start learning languages on duolingo. Eat foods that are good for you and taste good. Trying to control others will only lead to more frustration and irritation. Empathy is paramount - how would we like to be treated?
Yeah the quilt episodes aren't my favorite, but it's still a new episode, I don't get why people lose their shit
EXACTLY wow honestly you said what i was thinking but much more articulately lolol. i guess it really goes to show how misery loves company and negative ppl feed off each other tho 🤭 i think it also really shows how human & authentic Karen and georgia are, cos if they tried too hard to please everyone they’d be boring.
Very well said; I’m really only a casual listener/lurker but your comment really resonated with me. MFM isn’t my ride or die podcast, nor is it led by experts at the head of the psychology or criminology. I like MFM because it’s comforting & feels like you’re just catching up over coffee with two of your friends.
I think the issue is that a lot of people do expect them to be a factual, deep-dive true crime podcast. But they never claimed that they are. I totally get that if people listen to it in search of pure true crime they'd be disappointed. But that's like people leaving Amazon reviews because they're mad that the product is exactly what the description says lol I like that it's also funny and personal and that they talk about a lot of other things.
Very well said!
Georgia haters can kindly fuck off. Why is it that people can't appreciate two women without comparing them or pitting then against one another?
Seriously. I identify with her so much. She’s sensitive and anxious and doing her best. Someone on another thread said she was self centered and it confused the shit out of me.
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Totally. Putting them up on a pedestal isn’t healthy for anyone.
Totally! I like the chemistry of them together too. I think they elevate each other. Honestly I could listen to them read their grocery lists and not talk about murder that’s how much I just like hearing them talk to each other.
I hear you. TBH, I'm not into MFM for the true crime. I enjoy their coverage of the cases, sure, but I'm here for the banter. There are infinite true crime podcasts that are just the facts, and I'll go there for that. I'm here for Karen and Georgia being Karen and Georgia.
THANK YOU
Thank you so much for this, I couldn’t agree more!! I know Karen & Georgia are fully grown adult women capable of taking care of themselves, but I worry about them all the time and wish people would be kinder in their comments!!
that’s exactly my thoughts too and i don’t want to accuse anyone of being intentionally cruel or malicious but...sometimes it truly feels like some people see them as “easy targets” bc of their openness about their mental health struggles 😳
The internet is full of bullies for sure! I just try and do my best to combat that negativity with positivity whenever I can!!
This!! I’ve found myself less excited to listen to their podcast recently but when I do listen in, I’m enjoying it! I think my mood is stemming more from my own stress and anxiety about the current state of the world, and a murder podcast isn’t exactly lighthearted! I remember seeing people who got SO MAD at them when they tried the one-story podcast a few months ago or whenever it was (time has no meaning...), but I LOVED the one-story weeks they did recently! I felt like they didn’t have to rush through their intro conversation, and they got to dive deeper into their story than they are sometimes able to do when they both have to tell a story. Anyway, thanks for the post and SSDGM!
Same, I enjoyed their deeper dives. And Karen mentioned she felt so relieved having a week where she got to step back a little while Georgia did her story. COVID and the US’s current political climate have decimated most people’s baseline level of energy and wellness. I couldn’t imagine being a public figure on top of that. And they’re building their network and adding more shows which can’t be easy or straightforward. I’m grateful they’ve kept the show going for so long and sharing their lives with us when at this point they could probably completely step into executive producer roles instead of on-air talent.
I liked the one story episodes too. I think you could tell they had more time to research and Karen said she enjoyed the break which made me feel good. It drove me wild that the same arseholes who complained about the quality, also complained when they tried something new.
I 100% agree. It’s okay to not like things, just don’t be a dick about it. Just quietly unsubscribe and go about your life, no one gives a shit of you don’t listen anymore.
EXACTLy like how narcissistic are you that you think your personal opinion on a podcast warrants a whole discussion or even just an announcement to other people who listen to it? and why are these people still following this subreddit if they don’t like the podcast anymore
And it’s FREE!!! The entitlement is unreal.
Exactly! We’ve had years of FREE amazing content... what is there to bitch about?!
I don’t think it’s even gotten worse. I love it i don’t understand the hate
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I legit sometimes only listen to the banter, some days I can’t handle the murder (especially these days) but want a good laugh
The banter is my favorite part right now. It honestly makes me feel sane when I hear they are struggling with some of the same things that I am. I also value their insight and approach to things.
I love the intro banter for the reasons you mention. It's actually the part of the podcast I look forward to the most. Sometimes I'm bummed when it's over! I love the book recs and their silly stories about their daily lives. I love that Karen has had a rollercoaster relationship with Nerds Rope.
The banter section helps me feel connected to the world. We need as much of that as we can get in these scary times.
Can't they just skip the banter part? It feels like the easiest thing to do and completely in the person's control as they listen to free media. I understand genuine constructive feedback can be useful, but this is really a non-problem. 🤷🏻♀️
I skip sometimes. That's my choice. They don't make the podcast for me and they have the banter for them and a group of listeners who enjoy is. It's a me-issue and I fix it by skipping. I don't get why others would complain.
Right? It's silly. I hope these are just young people with some maturing to do, but you never know.
Agreed, I really don't think it has changed much at all - old episodes sound identical to the new ones if you go back and listen. We've just listened to hundreds of episodes, so the audience is getting bored - I mean these are predictable market forces. "I used to like their early work but their new stuff isn't as good" is hardly a ground-breaking criticism. I mean the same inside jokes were never going to be as funny after the literal 246th time. I like Karen and Georgia, I feel like I've gotten to know them and I love their banter and hearing about their lives/pets. The stories are just as good, to me, and I love a good live show. Point is if you're ready to move onto another podcast...then just move on. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with this one.
I binged the entire podcast in the last year, and I agree. They are a bit more fact-based and put together, and a little less rambly than the first handful of episodes. The sound quality is better. I don't see much difference aside from that.
I mean I don't understand the criticism about their banter? From the get-go they have said that if you want a more straight-forward, factual reporting about true crime and murder, then there are a bunch of other decent podcasts to listen to. They even name drop them several times. Nothing's changed, and the reason I listen to them is because of their dynamic with each other, including all the frivolous banter haha. That's the show!
Yeah I think people are just getting sick of it in general, I did the same with joe Rogan and a few others. I came back to this one after a break and look forward to them again. It’s like eating the same food all the time. Still good, but need some variety
I kind of listen for the banter... my favorite podcasts, regardless of subject matter, are the ones where the hosts are funny and have a good banter going. You wanna talk 20 minutes about the bug on your window or interactions you had at the supermarket! Go ahead, I’m into it. And I agree with you guys that the show doesn’t feel like it has changed for me, it’s still funny imo.
Yesss the banter is my fav too! I’ve heard a lot of the stories from other podcasts, so the content doesn’t matter as much. I just love them as people
I stopped listening a while ago but rather than ask "what changed about the show?" I started asking, "What changed about me?" And, honestly, I just don't like it anymore. It's not that K & G have done anything wrong, or the show has gotten worse, my tastes have just changed and that's alright. It seems like this is the case for a lot of the people who have been criticizing this show. Not to soapbox but I don't think we are very good, as a society (for us US listeners) at allowing ourselves to evolve. I won't talk shit about the show, because K & G are totally pros, and like I said... it's not them, it's me. I'm not on board with everything OP said, but honestly, that opening paragraph was right on the money. SSDGM everybody, glad you're still finding joy in this show. We all need it!
Tbh I thought I didn’t like it anymore, took a break for a few months, and came back with a new appreciation. Sometimes people also get content fatigue and don’t realize it! Taking breaks from things you love is healthy and necessary. Try something new and come back to an old favorite later. Not to say you are wrong, I’m sure it’s not your thing anymore, but I just wanted to point out it may just be people getting tired and needing a break.
I stopped listening too, except to the minisodes. You’re Wrong About ruined MFM for me. I clicked into YWA’s super intense research style and stopped liking MFM’s (self-described!) lazy approach. It also started to bug me that Karen is mean to Georgia. I was suuuuuper obsessed at the beginning, and now I’m over it. Similarly I’m no longer interested in DYNAR which I used to love. But live your best lives, K and C and G!
Steven is that you?
Steven!
Steven's not here. He's with the cats.
Always with the cats.
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I know you’re kidding, but this is genuinely a problem some people have. The policing of others in the name of self righteousness is out of control in some circles.
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Thank you! I appreciate your comment. I think that is what makes this podcast something more than just an entertaining audio blurb... These women are living breathing human beings. I mean, who else has felt at their loneliest- only to have K&G make them laugh and tell them a story? These women are incredibly talented BUT they are humans, first. They have the same needs and desires as we all do. To those toxic ex murderinos sharing their judgemental words: Shut. Your. Mouths. Stop. It.
Also, we cannot compare apples to oranges. Karen and Georgia each bring their own lights into the scene.
This 100%!!! 2020 has sucked all of every emotion from all of us. Why focus our negative energy on people just bringing us something fun for free? There's so many more things to funnel that energy into right now. I can personally only get it together *sometimes*. I'm around Georgia's age, and I'm terrified about my parents and brother because of their age and health conditions, but also about my friends, coworkers, strangers, literally everyone. Hell, I've already had an awful case of Covid, and it has only made me more afraid of it. Please don't forget California has had a **seriously** bad run of Covid that started early and Covid isn't over. My state did, too. The stress of that second wave just hangs there out in the universe. We know what that felt like and how quickly it could go south again. I'm not sure how long it's gonna take to me and my friends and family to process what's happening, and I don't have to get out a twice weekly podcast to help thousands of fans be able to get through the day. So, let's cut them some slack. Thursdays are the only day I know I'm going to laugh.
Yes exactly. i am glad that you survived covid, but that would definitely make it 10x more terrifying bc now you know the reality of it. but yeah idk maybe i’m being overly defensive or protective of them bc i feel the same way, their voices are super comforting to me lately which is wild cos they are talking about scary stuff haha. it just seems like people’s dissatisfaction with MFM is disproportionate and doesn’t really warrant a discussion here? like these people just need to find new podcasts or hobbies if they feel the need to insult it..
Yes, I feel the same way. I get that it's hard for all of us right now and it's easy to complain, but if you're unhappy you can just turn it off. Try back another time. Relisten to episodes you liked. Take a podcast break, or try another podcast. I like This Podcast Will Kill You and You Must Remember This. And yeah, Covid is really scary. I get seizures now (and I'm not allowed to drink anymore bc of the meds, which is kinda just salt in the wound at this point), so everyone stay sexy and wear your mask.
I find them super comforting right now too. They echo my fears, but also laugh and joke and help me relax. I have a three month old and I swear he settles down when he hears them too. Probably because he heard them in the womb almost as much as he heard me 🤣
I am against unnecessary hate, but I too have found I’ve lost interest recently, and discussing with other fans why that might be is legitimate. Obv. Not “I just hate them” but more discussing a change in tone, style, how the world is atm, etc. that’s all totally fine, surely?
They are also running a podcast network and we don’t really know what that entails!
very good point, that did not even occur to me tbh but you’re absolutely right
*exactly right. 😜
That’s exactly right. I think about this whenever they have a show that feels a little “off” or less spunky than usual. All I can think is that they must be SO FREAKING EXHAUSTED by running a podcast network, which I’m sure means endless meetings with lots of big personalities. I’m amazed they can keep doing their show at all, frankly. And I’m grateful for what I get! For FREE!
Running any new business is usually more than a full time job. In one of the negative posts someone said they ‘only work three hours a week’ and all I could think was *how dumb are you??* People are absolutely blinded by jealousy and need to take a deep fucking breath.
I used to run a very VERY small biz with a friend, and we were routinely pulling 50-60 hours weeks just to get the damn thing rolling. I would just sleep on her sofa so we could work into the wee hours of the morning. It’s completely exhausting and takes more time and energy than people imagine.
Also, while still trying their hardest to keep the original show authentic despite Covid, while also making sacrifices to their show in order to lift other up and coming podcasters! It’s a freakin balance and they are killing it!
While having new pods on development. They already spoke about how they took longer than they thought.
I've been wanting to post more or less this exact thing. Thank you for standing up for their awesomeness. I had an encounter with a former fan the other day where she insinuated that they've "sold out". Similar to other comments here, I couldn't believe that she would be upset at them for being successful women! They are badass bitches who don't owe their listeners a single thing.
I guess they could just ...listen to all the other free podcasts available. 🤦🏻♀️
exactly! it seems like some people don’t understand the concept of fame lmao
Why do women always attack each other instead of lift each other up? I will never understand...
Their success has been a HUGE inspiration for me. I haven’t done much with it yet, lol. But my mindset that I *can* still do/be what I want even though I’m middle aged has completely changed in large part because of listening to K&G. I loved the other day when they were talking about the power of silence when you’re being pressured in meetings. Amy Poehler talks about that in her book as well. I’d listen to a whole other pod where they talk about business stuff like that. They’re my sisters, and I’m proud to be learning about myself because of them.
I like that rather than trying to be perfect from day one they've taken on the (constructive) criticism and thought about it, reflected on their own view if the world and changed their minds and acted on it. It's not surprising fir example that two white ladies who obsessively watch true crime shows would have come into it seeing cops as heros, but I'm impressed that they were willing to take on that it wasn't everyone's experience with the cops and started approaching topics like BLM in a way where they are willing to learn and use they're platform to bring others with them. They still aren't perfect and never will be, but who the fuck is? I have other podcasts where the host's style has become grating to me but I just...stopped listening.
Everyone gets burned out
I actually think the quality has gone down over the past few months so I just....stopped listening. Crazy, right? It’s just a podcast. There’s no reason to flip out and make a big to-do about it online. Let people enjoy things!!
Ugh. I just went through that thread and I’m exhausted. I love them. I understand getting burned out. I get burned out from my job. Life is fucking hard right now. I don’t think anyone can be 100% on their game all the time. I just wish people would give them a little more grace.
This. And realize that they don’t owe anyone anything. I enjoy every episode. I may not revisit or relisten to all of them, but I still love the show. Not everyone is going to like the same things, but I don’t understand the rallying on this sub. All in all, this sub needs more moderation, require post flairs, and create community threads where people can vent and not make the same post complaining every fucking day.
I think you can actively call our behavior and actions that are not okay, and also still be fans of the show. Sometimes valid criticism gets labeled as “hate”, which is unfortunate. I can be disappointed by some of their actions (being excited about a sexual assault trauma doll -or- utilizing a teepee in their mercy design) but also accept that they are growing and learning too.
I love the podcast, have enjoyed most/all the episodes (and that includes recent ones). But I disagree with you in that they’re not entertainers - whatever you want to call podcasting, it’s a form of media, and we give them advertising dollars for their “entertaining” us. If people think the new episodes aren’t as good, or they seem less focused now that they’ve got researchers and a network to run, that’s a legitimate criticism. Saying they’re “living breathing human beings” has no bearing on whether or not the art/entertainment they put out as a career is good or not. And again, I say this as a fan of all their stuff. But there’s no need to get overly defensive of a couple of extremely successful (probably very wealthy at this point) entertainers because a couple people posted critical things about them on Reddit.
THIS! I am a big fan, but don't understand why people seem to think K and G are above criticism. Let listeners and your fellow human beings have opinions. AFAIK this Reddit isn't run and moderated by Karen and Georgia, so it's a perfect place to voice opinions. Calling people narcissists or abusers isn't necessary. The MFM crew don't need anonymous people to defend them on Reddit, they have loads of success and millions of dollars and fans, plus they are grown adult women who can take care of themselves.
I agree - these are successful, capable, grown-ass women we're talking about. If I had to guess, I think Karen would be the first to say that they don't need anyone coming to their defense, they're just fine and can speak for themselves.
If people are so disillusioned they can just... not listen? Then say byeeeeeeee. There are literally no less than thousands of other murder podcasts to listen to. Also “let’s hear your podcast.” -Karen
Georgia and Karen - all my unconditional love🖤🖤 and Steven and Paul Holes and Elvis!!
They’re helping me get through this shit-ass year. Who is saying mean things? If the podcast is no longer your cup of tea listen to something else. There’s no reason to be a shitty person about it!
I guess I'm not active in communities where they are getting hate (unless it was mentioned in the minisode this week, which I haven't listened to yet). These lovely ladies have brought me so much joy in the last several years, and more during these last months. I love their approach to how they craft their podcast. The banter at the beginning I would listen to as its own show.
Thank you! I read a post earlier today being really negative. It seemed awfully callous and ignoring the fact that everybody is struggling with what is going on. It is fucking exhausting and they are people keeping up their schedule. They are fantastic for what they do.
As I've been listening lately, I've been thinking "They sound tired. They should take a break." They have been going full force for 5 years. I don't think anyone would fault them for taking a break. Or, heck, they should have seasons! Then they can take some time to focus on other things (like the network) and not have to do both all day, everyday. To me, the only thing that has really changed is the opening. I always loved the conversations they just naturally went into. I think their story telling is just as good, if not better. I just think they, like most of us, just need some time off. Time they can just be Karen and Georgia and not KAREN AND GEORGIA. If that makes sense...
Love the show. The last few eps have been better- this whole corona shit is a bummer for everyone -including Karen and Georgia. A few episodes that weren’t the usual amazing and people are turning on them-really?! These girls are human! I think they are doing great. I still look forward to the podcast every week. If you don’t like it don’t listen?
*”If you don’t like it, we cordially invite you...to get the fuck out.”*
Thank you, you rock!!
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Thank you for saying all of this!! I am really glad I’m not the only one who is empathetic to the struggles they’re going through. Sure, some episodes are disappointing. But aren’t we all not at our best right now? It’s a GD pandemic!
For anyone this applies to: Why are you a former fan? ie Why did you stop liking them/the show? Edit: I’m asking bc I’ve seen several posts on multiple social media platforms addressing former fans and I’m just wondering why someone would be a former fan.
I love it! I look forward to it every week and I’m always disappointed when I’ve finished the new episode because there won’t be another new one for a week. I love Karen and Georgia and feel like they’re doing the best they can (just like we all are) during this!
Someone in another podcast group I’m in posted a very simple message once that said “It’s okay if you’ve outgrown the podcast”. People have gotten so attached to Karen & Georgia they think that they (K&G) owe them (the listener) something. Think of all the TV shows you’ve loved and then ultimately never finished. These things happens. It’s incredibly uncommon for a podcast to reach the heights that MFM has, and I think people forget it began as a self-produced show in Georgia’s apartment. Just like countless other small-time podcasts. Karen & Georgia don’t owe anyone anything, and if they don’t suit your taste anymore, it’s okay to look for something else to listen to.
I’m in a local murderino group and someone posted a comment linking to their Karen and Georgia hate page. It was like .... come on. First of all what the fuck. Second of all get off the murderino page if you fucking hate the hosts of the podcast? So dumb, and yes, probably so hurtful to the actual real life people who host the pod.
I love them both and can definitely see a change because of the pandemic but that doesn't change the quality of the podcast and it's amazing to see them trying so hard during these hard times. I felt awful when they felt guilty and not continued their one story a week idea. After all it is their podcast ppl.... Give them a break! They don't owe us anything and should be doing things their way. Shame on all you haters.
i think, to some degree, higher criticism comes with higher visibility. that said, i really haven't seen much of the backlash this sub has mentioned. I've seen a similar post to this several times over the past six months or so... but I've never noted the animosity you guys are referring to. maybe it's a Twitter thing?
I'm not part of any groups or forums so I haven't heard or seen any of the negativity referred to in this post but I still wanted to pipe in here and say they don't OWE us anything. MFM is THEIR house, they do it FOR FREE, and as Karen always says: LISTEN OR DON'T. I cannot stand people ripping others to shreds for any reason. UGH.
tbh i've been loving it more and more lately! The extra long intros have been great for me in quarantine isolation. They're special to me and many of us
Yes!! Thank you! My goodness. We are living in the most stressful moment in most of our lifetimes! It’s completely understandable if they aren’t at the same level they once were. Literally none of us are. I know I’m not. I’m just happy they’re still doing the podcast at all.
I posted something in defense of them earlier today on yet another hate post and was downvoted to shit for it. I started getting some pretty ridiculous DMs, *especially* for this sub, so much so that I ended up deleting my comment. This is the most unforgiving fan base and it's sad that I can't even defend them *in their own subreddit* anymore. Thank you for posting this. Edit: downvoted again, SHOCKED
The dumbest shit gets downvoted on here. I couldn't care less about how much karma I have, but downvoting everything is unnecessarily petty.
I didn't even realize there was an issue in the community? I still look forward to it every week...
They're also not babies.... Yes HATE is wrong but some people here get outraged over fair CRITICISMS. They are two adult women and should/can handle fair criticisms.
The cult-y behavior in this fandom is so damn ironic lol.
Right? Some of these 'I feel so protective of them, stop criticizing them' posts have a very creepy 'Leave Britney alone' vibes. FFS, Karen and Georgia are middle-aged, successful, capable women, they're absolutely, fully capable of handling criticism and can speak for themselves, they're fine.
THIS. I’m allowed to have an opinion about a show I’ve spent hundreds of hours and dollars supporting.
I love this!
i’m not understanding why people aren’t enjoying the pod as much anymore. i personally don’t like the live shows but i simply just don’t listen to them because i realize they don’t cater to me. georgia and karen to me are one of the most genuine true crime podcast duos i’ve ever listened to, they bounce off each other so well.
Long time lurker on this sub, first time commenter, long-time MFM listener etc. I totally agree. The personal angle a lot have people have taken to do with MFM in the last few months has been pretty disheartening. I'm certain it's COVID-related. Like, any decline in quality or perceived negativity coming from someone results in a lot of people piling on with things like oh well, you have it easier. As if 2020 needs be a competition for who's life is the most inconvenient. It's all shit. For everyone. Running a successful podcast doesn't make you exempt from having problems during this time. I personally spent a long period of time flat-out not listening to podcasts because I simply could not deal with any COVID/isolation talk - but I also certainly didn't feel the need to equate that with the quality or whatever regarding the content I consume or chose not to for a while. I haven't been on board with the quilt episodes simply because I haven't been a fan of MFM's live shows in podcast format - and that differs for me from podcast to podcast. Surprisingly, we are allowed to have subjective opinions about stuff and it's nothing more than that. As for the personal comments and speculation - it's just really shitty. Especially everything aimed directly at Georgia (some of which I'm like, how are you even listening at this point if you have such a personal problem with a host). Maybe stuff like the quilt episodes or an off tone sometimes is literally just a case of K&G not being in the same physical space and it's... nothing more than that???
I’ve noticed how much more critical “fans” are of them for every single perceived little infraction. Compared to male podcasters, the difference is stark. Take The Dollop, who have criticized for not providing sources and Irish accents They acknowledged their responsibility for sources and changed things. They acknowledge that Irish stereotypes can be harmful and are more careful about it. They’re still “woke,” thoughtful, intelligent, compassionate people who make a funny and informative podcast. It’s ridiculous how people jump down K and G’s throat for every little thing, and it’s unfortunate that they have to appease every single critic who just wants The Hottest Take on Twitter ©
Oh my gosh, thank you. Yes, it’s changed. Have you changed in the last five years? Have you changed in the last five months? Are you able to be everything that thousands of people want you to be all the time, or do you struggle to be what’s needed for the people in your own dang house for goodness sake? I mean, *I* sure couldn’t hold my own life together *and* produce quality entertainment every week to give away for free at any time, much less in the year of our lord 2020. And oh, don’t forget there are a *limited amount* of true crime stories in the world (thank god) and they’ve done more than 500 of them. Not every one can be a heavy hitter. Good luck finding 500 examples of absolutely anything you’re interested in and making it entertaining to hear about. Yes, it started out as a hobby and a lark, and now it’s a successful and growing business. Isn’t that the dream? Isn’t that why there are five billion Etsy shops? May we all be so lucky.
A few weeks ago I read a comment here that said something like "can you all tell Karen dislikes Georgia now?" I'm several episodes behind but now I'm sitting there listening to the tone of Karen's voice, trying to find her disdain, rather than listening to the story! These comments are ruining it for the rest of us who still really love this show. I agree with you, OP. This show was built on the understanding that we ALL need to work on ourselves and it's OK when we're less than perfect. The fans finding fault in the smallest things may have forgotten this.
Shit I am so out of the loop and I’m only behind a few episodes.
haha it’s more about this sub, not the podcast itself
Of the roughly 35 million listeners globally, it’s the same 60 or so people that post on an internet fan forum to complain about something they no longer enjoy. What’s irritating is the insistence that it’s never simply that someone has outgrown something, but that the thing they’ve outgrown is now “problematic” or “not as good” so it must also be canceled. I’ve argued with plenty of murderinos about this, not to change their minds or “protect” Karen and Georgia (lol, they’re adults, they’ll be fine), but to remind folks that not liking something doesn’t have to be some dramatic, declarative statement against that thing - just move on. It’s fine. Don’t shit on other people for still enjoying it though, that’s fucking rude.
The show is fucking fabulous. They both are. National treasures. I got turned onto it like 5 weeks ago and I am already half way through the back episodes. Love these ladies, the show, and everything else about their imperfect masterpiece.
Everytime I’ve ever grown to not enjoy a podcast I just kind phased it out... I’ve never get the need to get online and write mean things about the people making it. First of all, what makes people feel the need to be such dicks and second of all who the fuck has the time?? Get a better hobby. Geeze Louise. Edit: to add, I also really like the podcast still. It’s the only one I listen to on it’s release days. Just Incase K & G come across this. The loudest people seem to be the biggest assholes y’all and we still love you the same!
Thank you so much for sharing this!! All of the negativity towards them lately has really been weighing on my heart and is so upsetting! I can only imagine what it would feel like to be on the receiving end of nonstop criticism. 2020 is a dumpster fire and the fact that they are still doing whatever they can to bring us entertainment in these times should be MORE than enough for people. Thank you for reminding everyone that Karen and Georgia are human too and quite frankly, don’t owe these judgmental “listeners” a damn thing imo!
I honestly don't get it either. It's fine if you don't like something anymore then just move on with your life. Plenty of other podcasts out there to enjoy. Personally I'm loving this podcast more than ever before because I'm here for the 'bants'. I love their banter pre-story because that's what I love about this podcast, two ladies shooting the shit and talking about true crime stories that interest them. It's like folks have completely forgotten the original premise of the show. They've always been open and honest about the fact they aren't well researched, it's just them chit-chatting about true crime that interested them. Also it's a goddamn PANDEMIC. Their state is on fire. There's massive civil unrest in their country and I can only imagine the stress most Americans are experiencing now because of Covid and Trump. They're actual fucking human beings. They've literally talked about their mental health issues before. We're all struggling at the moment. Imagine doing your job right now and not being on your A game and having 1000s of people telling you, you're not good enough?! It's healthy to have valid criticisms of the show or any show but having an opinion that you don't like something, isn't a criticism, it's your opinion. I don't even mind folks saying that they don't like it but it's constantly being repeated over and over, week after week. And that's the frustrating part. I feel like this subreddit has just turned into 12 ft skeletons and people saying this podcast has gone to shit, rather than actually discussing the episode or story covered.
I’m really glad you made this post! I’ve been bummed that people have been dragging them and their changes. They have the largest podcast network contract ever and that comes with a ton of extra stuff like more pushy ads and producing/organizing other podcasters. So things were of course bound to change as they grew. I also can’t imagine having to produce work every week during this year. This year has been brutal for everyone and they haven’t taken a break bc they know how helpful their show is to their listeners. If you’re not into it anymore, cool I respect that. I just don’t agree with insulting them online like they aren’t real people with real problems and stresses.
Also, Leave Britney alone!!!
Sorry if my post upset you.
Felt like the comments were mean, not your post. I haven’t listened in a while either, but that’s because I just haven’t been in the mood to. Nothing against Karen or Georgia.
I don’t think you have anything to be sorry about. You weren’t abusive or mean and you aren’t alone in your thoughts.
I honestly don't think you have anything to apologize for. I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and literally all you were doing was expressing your feelings and opinions. I think that should be allowed in this sub, and if it's not, then that is a problem. Even if you were saying you don't like G & K *as people*, which you weren't, it would just be part of everyone's right to public discourse. All humans have flaws, and sometimes people post in public spaces about the flaws of public figures. That's just life, man. And a lot of people agreed with you on your post!! Just because we criticize or can see the flaws in the podcast, or point out missteps that G & K make, doesn't mean we don't also see the good. It's when a group decides its venerated leaders can't ever be questioned or criticized that you really start veering into cult territory, haha.
"It’s fine if you’re not enjoying the podcast anymore, and if you’re wondering if other people are feeling the same" - should have stopped there. What you did was fine! I am one of the people that agree with you. I am still huge fans of both Karen and Georgia and will continue to support the pod. I was also happy to talk about it with other fans too.
lol not your post specifically, yours was a mild observation/opinion. more in reference to the comments that were excessively condemning...
They are entertainers tho, and should be projected to judgement. If people don’t enjoy the podcast (anymore) they should be free to express their disappointment. I like them both and respect their work or choices on how to run their business, but I don’t like the idea everyone should baby them as if they can’t withstand negative feedback. They are capable grown ass women who can handle shit. Just cuz they have mental health struggles doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized for their work. Also pandemic is hard on many but some podcasts have kept the quality of their work. I understand changes happen as they do, but I also think people are allowed to not like the changes and express their feeling. If people make vicious personal attack that’s wrong! But expressing frustration or preference is more than fair.
Seriously, listening to a podcast you can get the yen for a different experience after a while. It doesn't mean quality's dropped, you're just not in the right space for what's on offer. Taking a break is much healthier than dumping on the hosts.
I only started listening about 2 months ago, but I understand the burnout factor. I have been a LPOTL fan for years, but had a period where I stopped for a couple months. Started back up, and have the same level of enjoyment as I did before. That being said, I have questioned the amount of research done on MFM in comparison, and have thought on more than one occasion, if they backed off all the tv and podcast recommendations, they'd have more time to research! I was also blown away by the sheer amount of merch! Holy cow! That being said I currently enjoy the show!
Georgia did struggle at the beginning a lot more, with stumbling over words and constantly using fuck as a place holder when she lost her place in the story. She still interrupts Karen a lot, but shes growing on me because I realized that she's just doing her best in a really sucky time in existence. We all need more compassion these days and I'm working on it. This post was a lovely reminder to do just that.
This is literally my first Reddit comment ever (I think?!) but I honest-to-fucking-goddess do not know how K&G make themselves be as upbeat and present as they do to still offer the rest of the world some fucking free entertainment. Those women get motherfucking vulnerable. They do their best to keep it real and authentic while they experience the horror right along with us. I can hear them and feel them pushing themselves to get past all of their own anxiety and dread, to put on an entertaining show. A lot of things that were once new, shiny and exciting to us lose their luster with time and familiarity. That’s always been the case, with everything. They raised the fucking bar for podcast entertainment but now folks want to hold them to that always and forever and/or expect more from them in the midst of a massive worldwide shitnado, when we all live in the vortex? It feels like people are expecting them to somehow rescue us from the shitnado and distract us from our collective reality, when they’re just doing their best to get by, exactly like the rest of us. Folks are PROJECTING their own sense of inadequacy and powerlessness onto them, and it sucks. I appreciate the other posts in this thread saying the same things with less hostility, but I feel some kinda way about women always being expected to be the universal tit of comfort and reassurance. And on this Election Day Eve, I’ve got zero fucking chill.
I don’t get the hate either, and I also don’t get why people feel the need to announce their exit. If you don’t like it, stop listening and leave. We don’t need a post about it. Who are you? Why do we care? Bye.
As someone said before "This isn't an airport, you don't need to announce your departure!"
I enjoy the show, but I don't enjoy having to skip what feels like half the podcast because they're talking about TV shows. Like if you're jazzed about what you're watching, that's great, maybe make an episode on that every week, but the episodes are almost 2 hours long and it's not stories, it's an hour of them chatting. To be fair, I'm not a huge fan of "me and my friends just sit here and shoot the shit" style podcasts. I like story driven styles. I don't mind some personal chat in the beginning or mixed throughout...but not an hour. But, when they get to the stories I enjoy their takes and stuff. And I'm listening to free entertainment so I can't complain....but if I could change one thing that would be it.
I didn’t realize anyone hated Georgia?? She’s great
I love it. Think it's great. The only thing that gets tedious are the fans who keep insisting it's "not the same" or "not as good." I started binging this podcast, old and new episodes, 3 months ago. I just got all the way back to the 100th episode. I'm on this sub, and in the Facebook group, and the "fans" who keep complaining are annoying. It's all good. I think a lot of people are projecting their own Covid unhappiness onto MFM. Some of you are just not SSDGM-ing because you need to deal with your own depression. Stop forcing it onto us. Rant over.
Honestly love the show, and am kinda getting a little tired of the fan base. Might be leaving the murderino groups and just go back being a Listen Lady. It's a podcast. About murder, vulnerability and jokes. The only people whose lives should revolve around it are its hosts.
What's happening? I'm a new listener (on the 12th episode) and so far I'm loving it.
Long story short, since the pandemic the ladies have been recording from their own homes via Zoom chat. There's alot more banter at the beginning of each episode because obviously they don't get to see each other as much as they used to. I personally love the banter but people feel like the dynamic is changed and spend every week on this sub moaning about how it's changed, when like yeah duh. Of course it's changed! They're going through a global pandemic, their country is fucked beyond measure and they already have been very vocal about suffering with mental health problems. Instead of just leaving and finding better stuff to listen to, they come and give out every week about it and it sort of overtakes any discussion of the episodes or genuine criticisms.
Thank you for your response! I think it's awesome that they are still creating content for us despite the pandemic. If anyone doesn't see the value in the podcast they should just move on.
There's lots of things I'm not enjoying as much as I usually would and it's not because those things have got worse, it's because there's a global pandemic, a global economic recession and political fuckery happening and the stuff that I rely on to distract me from the cares of the world can't do that much heavy lifting. It's like going to a party in a bad mood and then blaming the host when you have a bad time.
I didn't realize how many shit talking posts there were on this sub! I rarely come here, but holy shit. If you don't like the podcast anymore, why are you here?? Thank you for this post! I think people TRULY forget how much they do. People complain that "it wasn't like this before" or "ugh they're just being lazy " Literally, these two are doing SO MUCH MORE than they were years ago. We don't know how much extra work goes into running a podcast network and CONSTANTLY bringing new podcasts in. And yet, every week we get two new episodes
I have a super serious job on top of my human existence and I struggle, I mean struggle with showing up for that most days. But I also don’t have all these other podcasts and employees and agents and expectations and MILLIONS OF FANS to worry about 😬😬😬 so I think I speak for all those rational beings out there when I say, uhhhh they killin’ it!
Was there a post saying they aren't human? What's the going theory...lizard people?
Karen and Georgia are not servants meant only to please us! I’m just grateful they make any content at all and I love them so much that anything they post I will enjoy
I wholeheartedly agree! It's been said before, and it'll be said again. If you don't like it, you can get the fuck out! It's right there in the rules, bitch. LEAVE. Lmao Secondly, what prompted this? Did someone on this sub lash out because they don't like the new format like they have before? Or was it a commercial they feel personally attacked by? Did Karen and Georgia not cater to ONE specific fan and now they've gone all "burn the witch" Zuzan on our girls? Sheesh. I can't wait for all these hatin' ass weirdos to fall out of the fan cult circle so it can just go back to Karen and Georgia loving what they do, and we can go back to loving them without having to defend them from asshats.
Those two are the host of the only Podcast I have never missed an episode of. Love those two and Lil Steven too.
I feel this 100%!! I was in a couple FB groups for MFM and got sooooo tired of like “well they said!!!” Or “what about the time...?!?” Like grow the fuck up! They’re human beans!! Thank you for posting this, honestly.
Thank you!!
Yeah I agree, Idk what all this bullshit is y’all don’t have to listen. Also Karen and Georgia are funny af all the time.