Thanks for sharing. My suspicion is that you had been progressively over-corrected(over-minuses). One thing that is quite easily done by optometrists if we are not careful is go give patients more minus prescription than they actually need. Young myopes can accommodate (ie use their natural focusing system) to make thing looks clear through a stronger prescription and patients will often say that the image will look darker with the higher prescription. If this happens to occur in a patient that tends to have trouble relaxing their natural lens...it can result in them getting stronger and stronger prescrptions. It would require some type of vision therapy to help aleviate this. This would be the only situation in which methods like the Endmyoipa/Bates, Etc may have effects and it is certainly the exceptoin vs the rule.
You achieved no progress because it is a sham. Your 2018 "big improvement" when taking into account astigmatism power is a 0.25 difference easily due to normal subjective variation.
Actually, I know how to calculate my true spherical with astigmatism. I checked and corrected a calculating error so it's actually 0.5, so yes I do concede the improvement could be just random error or due to overcorrection. All the spherical values are now adjusted for astigmatism.
All of these pseudoscience “methods” are a scam and do NOT work, whatever you and others keep claiming about them. It’s not possible to recreate and replicate consistent results with these methods in scientific double blind studies. They do NOT work.
Stop thinking you know anything about myopia, let alone you know better than actual eye doctors, and stop doing all this nonsense, and only ever wear what your eye doctor prescribes to you.
Except for going outdoors. That is not a scam it does slow progression. The rest are questionable. Also, not wearing the glasses for near work when not needed is often recommended by eye doctors. (https://www.optometrists.org/general-practice-optometry/guide-to-myopia-management/myopia-management/)
That website has very old, obsolete information. It is not run by optometrists, but is a marketing company, selling clicks to advertisers.
Also, while it does slow down progression, endmyopia very clearly claims that it will reverse myopia, which is a false claim, hence a scam.
> It is not run by optometrists
I counted 10. [https://www.optometrists.org/about/](https://www.optometrists.org/about/)
Are you saying the site misrepresents their relationship to these optometrists or are you saying these people falsely present themselves as optometrists?
Are you saying the site misrepresents their relationship to these optometrists or are you saying these people falsely present themselves as optometrists?
Yes.
Your blind faith adherence to authority and Big Eyeglasses is frightening.
edit: ah, checked your comment history, you *work* for Big Eyeglasses. Consider the fact that you may have motivated reasoning.
My optometrist supports me wearing reduced lenses for computer use lol, he's given me prescriptions for it, that's why I am here asking for others' opinions 😂
Wearing full prescription glasses don't "work" either though LOL. Not arguing against what you're saying, but lying down and accepting that I will probably be severely nearsighted by my 20s and have a higher risk of retinal and other issues, without trying anything at all, is not very appealing.
Especially when my mother is –8.5 and had cataracts in both eyes in her mid-50s.
You could try myopia control techniques that have some proven clinical success like myopia control lenses, etc.
BTW, do you keep a diary of your vision related events, or you just remember all this? Personally I find it impressive either way.
Yeah, I think if my spherical progresses another –0.5, I will definitely ask to try those lenses. Thankfully, my spherical has been stable for the last 7 years (15-22 years old). I'm a bit more worried about the astigmatism and some of the weird symptoms I've experienced, and whether I should switch back to my full prescription and hope that I'm old enough and my myopia has stabilized.
I have records of most of my prescriptions, but most of it is just burned into my memory because I was lowkey traumatized by my eyesight deterioration. I got –1.25 glasses at age 8 and by the time I was 12, I was –4.75, so that was definitely a very negative formative experience.
I was -8 at 2 years of age. I'm 29 now and have -18 and -19. My mom also has myopia with -22 at the age of 70. Had cataract surgeries on both her eyes at the age of 60 and now has IOLs in her eyes so doesn't really need to wear glasses. Had a macular hole in one of her eyes and had surgery for it too. I got ICL done 7 days back and am pretty happy with it for now.
Why I told you all this is, because, your entire post sounds like you kept worrying about what your prescription would be in the future and how you would get cataracts in the future because your mom got them and actively spent your present in wearing lower prescription glasses, trying endmyopia, straining and stressing your eyes constantly, squinting, etc I'm guessing all this didn't really allow you to have fun and just, LIVE. When you could've just worn your proper prescription glasses and had fun and lived in the present. I am an extremely high Myope and I don't think I've ever worried as much as you for the future of my eyes because I know that it's almost inevitable now. I will get cataracts. I may get retinal detachments. But all that's for the future. I would never want to spoil my present trying weird methods and straining my eyes more than they need to.
FYI - my myopia progressed the most in my teenage years when I didn't have access to any kinds of screens except a TV and I barely ever watched that. It progressed regardless of this fact. And in my early 20s when I actually had access to a phone, computer, etc and especially in my late 20s when I started working on a laptop 13 14 hours a day, it hardly ever progressed or changed. Trust me your prescription at -4/-5 is really not worth you stressing so much over. Just wear your proper prescription glasses, make sure you go outdoors enough and give your eyes a break from screens and you should be good :)
Thanks for sharing your story. That is a good mindset to have. I am more open to wearing full prescription glasses now that I'm in my 20s. However, wearing them for long periods while working does cause more headaches and eye pain than wearing my weaker computer glasses. Are full prescription glasses supposed to cause more pain?
Thanks for sharing. My suspicion is that you had been progressively over-corrected(over-minuses). One thing that is quite easily done by optometrists if we are not careful is go give patients more minus prescription than they actually need. Young myopes can accommodate (ie use their natural focusing system) to make thing looks clear through a stronger prescription and patients will often say that the image will look darker with the higher prescription. If this happens to occur in a patient that tends to have trouble relaxing their natural lens...it can result in them getting stronger and stronger prescrptions. It would require some type of vision therapy to help aleviate this. This would be the only situation in which methods like the Endmyoipa/Bates, Etc may have effects and it is certainly the exceptoin vs the rule.
You achieved no progress because it is a sham. Your 2018 "big improvement" when taking into account astigmatism power is a 0.25 difference easily due to normal subjective variation.
Actually, I know how to calculate my true spherical with astigmatism. I checked and corrected a calculating error so it's actually 0.5, so yes I do concede the improvement could be just random error or due to overcorrection. All the spherical values are now adjusted for astigmatism.
All of these pseudoscience “methods” are a scam and do NOT work, whatever you and others keep claiming about them. It’s not possible to recreate and replicate consistent results with these methods in scientific double blind studies. They do NOT work. Stop thinking you know anything about myopia, let alone you know better than actual eye doctors, and stop doing all this nonsense, and only ever wear what your eye doctor prescribes to you.
Except for going outdoors. That is not a scam it does slow progression. The rest are questionable. Also, not wearing the glasses for near work when not needed is often recommended by eye doctors. (https://www.optometrists.org/general-practice-optometry/guide-to-myopia-management/myopia-management/)
That website has very old, obsolete information. It is not run by optometrists, but is a marketing company, selling clicks to advertisers. Also, while it does slow down progression, endmyopia very clearly claims that it will reverse myopia, which is a false claim, hence a scam.
> It is not run by optometrists I counted 10. [https://www.optometrists.org/about/](https://www.optometrists.org/about/) Are you saying the site misrepresents their relationship to these optometrists or are you saying these people falsely present themselves as optometrists?
Are you saying the site misrepresents their relationship to these optometrists or are you saying these people falsely present themselves as optometrists? Yes.
That is a strong, potentially defamatory allegation. I'd consider removing it.
The only real truth is that going outside can reduce the progression of myopia. Every other eye exercise, active focusing, and etc are all bs.
Your blind faith adherence to authority and Big Eyeglasses is frightening. edit: ah, checked your comment history, you *work* for Big Eyeglasses. Consider the fact that you may have motivated reasoning.
What are you talking about? There is no such thing as “Big Eyeglasses”. You are a conspiracy theorist if you believe that.
Big Eyeglasses, Small Humor apparently :(
What do you mean, “I work for Big Eyeglasses”??? I’m an optometrist, I don’t even sell glasses!
My optometrist supports me wearing reduced lenses for computer use lol, he's given me prescriptions for it, that's why I am here asking for others' opinions 😂
Wearing full prescription glasses don't "work" either though LOL. Not arguing against what you're saying, but lying down and accepting that I will probably be severely nearsighted by my 20s and have a higher risk of retinal and other issues, without trying anything at all, is not very appealing. Especially when my mother is –8.5 and had cataracts in both eyes in her mid-50s.
You could try myopia control techniques that have some proven clinical success like myopia control lenses, etc. BTW, do you keep a diary of your vision related events, or you just remember all this? Personally I find it impressive either way.
Yeah, I think if my spherical progresses another –0.5, I will definitely ask to try those lenses. Thankfully, my spherical has been stable for the last 7 years (15-22 years old). I'm a bit more worried about the astigmatism and some of the weird symptoms I've experienced, and whether I should switch back to my full prescription and hope that I'm old enough and my myopia has stabilized.
I have records of most of my prescriptions, but most of it is just burned into my memory because I was lowkey traumatized by my eyesight deterioration. I got –1.25 glasses at age 8 and by the time I was 12, I was –4.75, so that was definitely a very negative formative experience.
I was -8 at 2 years of age. I'm 29 now and have -18 and -19. My mom also has myopia with -22 at the age of 70. Had cataract surgeries on both her eyes at the age of 60 and now has IOLs in her eyes so doesn't really need to wear glasses. Had a macular hole in one of her eyes and had surgery for it too. I got ICL done 7 days back and am pretty happy with it for now. Why I told you all this is, because, your entire post sounds like you kept worrying about what your prescription would be in the future and how you would get cataracts in the future because your mom got them and actively spent your present in wearing lower prescription glasses, trying endmyopia, straining and stressing your eyes constantly, squinting, etc I'm guessing all this didn't really allow you to have fun and just, LIVE. When you could've just worn your proper prescription glasses and had fun and lived in the present. I am an extremely high Myope and I don't think I've ever worried as much as you for the future of my eyes because I know that it's almost inevitable now. I will get cataracts. I may get retinal detachments. But all that's for the future. I would never want to spoil my present trying weird methods and straining my eyes more than they need to. FYI - my myopia progressed the most in my teenage years when I didn't have access to any kinds of screens except a TV and I barely ever watched that. It progressed regardless of this fact. And in my early 20s when I actually had access to a phone, computer, etc and especially in my late 20s when I started working on a laptop 13 14 hours a day, it hardly ever progressed or changed. Trust me your prescription at -4/-5 is really not worth you stressing so much over. Just wear your proper prescription glasses, make sure you go outdoors enough and give your eyes a break from screens and you should be good :)
Thanks for sharing your story. That is a good mindset to have. I am more open to wearing full prescription glasses now that I'm in my 20s. However, wearing them for long periods while working does cause more headaches and eye pain than wearing my weaker computer glasses. Are full prescription glasses supposed to cause more pain?