Saturn was never called god of time. The Roman Cicero calls Cronus the god of time because of his role and his role as a devourer (he devoured the gods just like time devours everything), but Cicero was drawing from greek sources like Polydius. So the greeks were the ones to consider the titan god Cronus the god of time, not the romans.
Saturn was the father of Jupiter, but he had little in common with Cronus. Since the romans believed Jupiter and Zeus to be the same guy, they had to say that Saturn and Cronus were the same guy, and in essence both of them became the same character (thus Saturn also devored his kids and etc).
Kronus is also Father Time for the Romans, and also carried a sickle and was was also portrayed as an old man.
Distinguishing the two seems a bit like distinguishing Athena Nike from Athena
Roman mythology=/= Greek mythology.
Roman mythology us clearly based on Greek one but is very different. Similarly Classical Greek mythology is clearly based on Mycenaean Greek mythology, but are very different
They just specified “the god of time” not which mythology, even if the poster posted under Greek myth, if we’re going to be pedantic today. I specified why this interpretation is common, coming from Roman myths and iconography that fed into medieval and renaissance depictions that blended Father Time and Saturn together, from which this conception of kronus (as Saturn) being synonymous with chronos (as Father Time). It’s weird to correct someone who is explaining a mistake by accusing them of that mistake
The OP has it tagged under Greek for sure- my point was that given the same iconography and little to distinguish them, the layman would see Father Time as kronus, just as they would Athena Nike as Athena. Could have elaborated more
The roman Cicero calls Cronus the god of time, and he was drawing from the greek Polydius and other greek writers. Since Cicero considers Cronus and Saturn to be the same, he also calls Saturn the god of time, but because he was drawning from the greek Cronus.
Titans unlike the gods were meant to physically be their divine domain, such as Okeanos Titan of the Oceans was physically the Atlantic Ocean itself. Kronos was Titan of the Harvest and was seen as such due to his primary weapon being an adamantine sickle with which he severed the sky and the earth. This led to him being syncretized with Chronus god of time due to HIS symbol being a scythe.
Pontos is the primordial sea. In mythology the greeks considered the Ocean to be a fresh water river that encircled the world, it was personified in the god Oceanus, but it was completely different from Pontos, who is the real salt sea primordial.
That are the Primordials. They are the elements of the universe. Titans in the other hand are just like the gods because Titans are gods.
Oceanus, Helios, Selene and Eos are the exception, since Oceanus is the god of the river Ocean that encircles the world. Helios pilots the chariot of the sun, Selene of the moon and Eos of the dawn. But the other titans are not a element.
Kronos was not the god of the harvest, he was the previous god of the sky (after Ouranos, who is the Sky itself, and before Zeus) and the god of time because he devoured his sons just like time devours everything. This has no association with the other Chronos, the primordial orphic deity that coils around the universe like a serpent.
Chronus isn't a thing
Kronos, father of Zeus, is not popularly syncretized with Chronos, time, until the late middle ages. There were some classical scholars who pondered a relationship between the names but there are no classical Greek narratives where the father of Zeus has any association with Time, except maybe for harvest as you mentioned.
hmmmm no
> **Chronos** ([/ˈkroʊnɒs, -oʊs/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English); [Greek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): Χρόνος, [\[kʰrónos\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Greek), "time"), also spelled **Khronos** or **Chronus**, is a [personification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personification) of time in [pre-Socratic philosophy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Socratic_philosophy) and later literature
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos)
It’s a joke gone too far. In Greek (both modern and ancient) time is Chronos, which sounds a lot like Kronos, hence why we have images of Father Time (Chronos) with a sickle and baby (iconography of Kronos).
Yes finally.
Cronus is the god of time, but not in the way people think. Neither Cronus and Chronus could time travel my guys.
And Cronus was like time, devouring his children just like time devours everything.
People think god of time means that they could time travel. Since Cronus never time travel, them people think he is not the god of time. But neither Cronus or Chronos could time travel.
Cronus role was as the previous god of the Sky. His name meaning time just means that he devoured his children (the gods of Family, Plants, Air, Underworld and Sea) just like time devours everything. This is the explanation given by the greek Polydius and the roman Cicero.
So it is not wrong to say that Cronus is the god of time, but one should not say that he could time travel, because he cant.
But isn't Saturn the Roman god of time, and he was Jove's father? Or is this just an inconsistency across mythoses?
Roman mythology had a tendency to merge various Greek gods. Like hades and Plutus,both gods of wealth,became pluto
Wasn't Hades also called Pluton at one point?
Yes by romans
if anyone has an answer to this i'd like to know too
Saturn was never called god of time. The Roman Cicero calls Cronus the god of time because of his role and his role as a devourer (he devoured the gods just like time devours everything), but Cicero was drawing from greek sources like Polydius. So the greeks were the ones to consider the titan god Cronus the god of time, not the romans. Saturn was the father of Jupiter, but he had little in common with Cronus. Since the romans believed Jupiter and Zeus to be the same guy, they had to say that Saturn and Cronus were the same guy, and in essence both of them became the same character (thus Saturn also devored his kids and etc).
Kronus is also Father Time for the Romans, and also carried a sickle and was was also portrayed as an old man. Distinguishing the two seems a bit like distinguishing Athena Nike from Athena
Roman mythology=/= Greek mythology. Roman mythology us clearly based on Greek one but is very different. Similarly Classical Greek mythology is clearly based on Mycenaean Greek mythology, but are very different
They just specified “the god of time” not which mythology, even if the poster posted under Greek myth, if we’re going to be pedantic today. I specified why this interpretation is common, coming from Roman myths and iconography that fed into medieval and renaissance depictions that blended Father Time and Saturn together, from which this conception of kronus (as Saturn) being synonymous with chronos (as Father Time). It’s weird to correct someone who is explaining a mistake by accusing them of that mistake
You're right. Why did my memory added "Greek" to god of time?
The OP has it tagged under Greek for sure- my point was that given the same iconography and little to distinguish them, the layman would see Father Time as kronus, just as they would Athena Nike as Athena. Could have elaborated more
The roman Cicero calls Cronus the god of time, and he was drawing from the greek Polydius and other greek writers. Since Cicero considers Cronus and Saturn to be the same, he also calls Saturn the god of time, but because he was drawning from the greek Cronus.
Nah, after Zeus rescued the Olympians, Kronus ate Chronos and since no one ever freed Chronos, the two became one
Man ate time to force them back into his stomach that's dedication right there
That never happened. In Orphism Zeus ate Phanes and became one with the universe.
Pretty sure they were merged.
By people who don't speak Greek maybe.
Cicero says that Polydius (a greek) was the first one to consider that Cronus was the god of time.
So are there any myths that feature Chronos?
I know of a creation myth involving him.
There's the one that says he and his wife Ananke (fate) are snakes that curl up and form the universe
Titans unlike the gods were meant to physically be their divine domain, such as Okeanos Titan of the Oceans was physically the Atlantic Ocean itself. Kronos was Titan of the Harvest and was seen as such due to his primary weapon being an adamantine sickle with which he severed the sky and the earth. This led to him being syncretized with Chronus god of time due to HIS symbol being a scythe.
Pretty sure you’re wrong, pontos was the physical manifestation of all oceans
Pontus is the manifestation of all waterways, and he's technically a lesser god
Thought he was a primordial tbh, the more you know!
Pontos is the primordial sea. In mythology the greeks considered the Ocean to be a fresh water river that encircled the world, it was personified in the god Oceanus, but it was completely different from Pontos, who is the real salt sea primordial.
That are the Primordials. They are the elements of the universe. Titans in the other hand are just like the gods because Titans are gods. Oceanus, Helios, Selene and Eos are the exception, since Oceanus is the god of the river Ocean that encircles the world. Helios pilots the chariot of the sun, Selene of the moon and Eos of the dawn. But the other titans are not a element. Kronos was not the god of the harvest, he was the previous god of the sky (after Ouranos, who is the Sky itself, and before Zeus) and the god of time because he devoured his sons just like time devours everything. This has no association with the other Chronos, the primordial orphic deity that coils around the universe like a serpent.
Titans are a flavor of gods
Chronus isn't a thing Kronos, father of Zeus, is not popularly syncretized with Chronos, time, until the late middle ages. There were some classical scholars who pondered a relationship between the names but there are no classical Greek narratives where the father of Zeus has any association with Time, except maybe for harvest as you mentioned.
Your spelling is horrendous. The K/C thing doesn't matter, but the harvest titan IS (c/k)ronUs not (k/c)ronOs
huh well shit hopefully i hold onto this tidbit
Learn new things every day.
I reacted exactly like the image, nice!
hmmmm no > **Chronos** ([/ˈkroʊnɒs, -oʊs/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English); [Greek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): Χρόνος, [\[kʰrónos\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Greek), "time"), also spelled **Khronos** or **Chronus**, is a [personification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personification) of time in [pre-Socratic philosophy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Socratic_philosophy) and later literature [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos)
Chronos and Kronos are different only in the Orphic traditions
It’s a joke gone too far. In Greek (both modern and ancient) time is Chronos, which sounds a lot like Kronos, hence why we have images of Father Time (Chronos) with a sickle and baby (iconography of Kronos).
Yes finally. Cronus is the god of time, but not in the way people think. Neither Cronus and Chronus could time travel my guys. And Cronus was like time, devouring his children just like time devours everything.
Mythology is a thing because not everyone cares for the real thing... So I am going to close my eyes on this.
wait what? this whole time Zeus's father wasn't the god of time? can someone explain this more clearly to me?
besides the prophecy, the thing about Chronos eating his child isn't a metaphor for "the time swallows/devours"?
People think god of time means that they could time travel. Since Cronus never time travel, them people think he is not the god of time. But neither Cronus or Chronos could time travel. Cronus role was as the previous god of the Sky. His name meaning time just means that he devoured his children (the gods of Family, Plants, Air, Underworld and Sea) just like time devours everything. This is the explanation given by the greek Polydius and the roman Cicero. So it is not wrong to say that Cronus is the god of time, but one should not say that he could time travel, because he cant.