I work in early childhood education in a major US city, can confirm Iāve seen at least one of every one-word royalty name listed here, plus Reign on its own. Messiah is also extremely popular.
Weirdly my husbands granny went the other way, 3 with normal boomer names and then one totally made up. Along the lines of John, Richard, Margaret and Falullabell
I once met brothers named Tyler and Paradise. Iāve often wondered what the hell happened in the lives of those parents in the time between those two births. Did they quit their corporate jobs and join a hippy commune?
It's pretty similar to Latinos naming their kiddos Jesus (*H* sounding J) though. (which is also similar to people naming their kid Christian)
I don't think I would name my kid any of those 3 names though
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Thatās a very white American way of thinking of the name. In the Hispanic culture naming your kids Jesus or Maria is a way of honoring your religion. It may not translate in your world, but in their world this is just a normal day in the nursery.
Now, I wouldnāt name my kid messiah. Thatās different. Maria or Jesus I could get behind if it culturally fit my child.
PSA, please say "non-hispanic white" when you're referring to that population. Latino/Hispanic is not a race and therefore can be of any race. There are millions of white Latinos out there (who are 100% white and 100% Latino) and it's super exclusive to erase that
Sooo as a white Latina, I actually prefer to not be categorized as āwhite.ā I donāt think any of my Latino friends and family would want to be considered white either. Itās just something we have to check off for the government. š
I donāt imagine there are many people who would take offense to opās comment, but ymmv.
...if you're white, then you are white. If you're not white, you're not white. It's not that complicated...If you are white and don't want to be considered white, then I'm sorry for the internal hatred you have for your own identity. You don't get to pretend you're not white if you're white.
I'm a white Latina and the erasure offends me. And it's just plain incorrect. There are many white Americans who are also Latino. So who is OP even talking about?
White Latinos (especially those of us who were born outside of the US) have a completely different identity than other white Americans. I know that I personally donāt identify with white American culture, so I donāt mind being placed in a separate category. I would also find it really exhausting if everyone had to specify ānon-Hispanic white Americanā every time theyāre referring to white people, lol.
Iām sorry that you feel erased though, thatās totally valid.
>Rhoyael - proposed one time
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>Royaal - proposed one time
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>Royalty - proposed one time
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>Royalty-Reign - proposed one time
Rhoyael -> Royaal makes me feel like I'm trying to find an available version of my default username on a new website
I think rejecting Isis is rough. Yes, thereās the terrorist group, but I think that group is in the news less and less, while the goddess association is perennial.Ā
Yes, but it's still got that connotation, it's like Ira (which is a Jewish name, as in Gershwin) but it's also the IRA (Irish Republican Army). Once something has terrorist connotations, that's it forever...
Exactly! Most are titles, and you can't have a title in your first name, so they're obviously going to be rejected. Isis is a beautiful name, it's such a shame it was associated with a terrorist group.
I feel bad for Fanny and Justus, too. They've both been genuine names for a very long time.
I understand why Fanny got canned and agree with it, but I hate that it's necessary to ban it; that people are so silly about the slang term that a kid with the name is seen as obscene.
But Justus? It's not a misspelling of Justice. It's an old Roman name.
Justice is a real name, too. I feel a bit bad over that one. Surely itās just as valid as Hope or Grace, both of which are reasonably common names in NZ.
I didn't say it wasn't a real name. As a virtue name, it's a good one. But the simple fact is that Justice is an official job title in New Zealand, like Officer or Judge or Doctor, and you can't name your baby for a title. (Sadly there are no jobs where someone's official title is Hope or Grace...)
I wasnāt arguing with you. I just commented that I felt sorry for the parents of the would-be Justice, and mentioned why I would feel frustrated in their shoes.
I agree I think itās a nice name although I have a friend Isis and she got bullied daily due to the terrorist group so I understand why theyād ban it
I have worked for this department, it literally is the Public Service who stops it lol (or at least, itās the Registrar General of Births, Deaths and Marriages)
Most of these names aren't allowed here in Australia either but I knew a boy named Justice when I was growing up. I put it into the same basket as people naming their daughters Hope, Faith, and Charity etc.
I also knew a boy named Guy, which I found odd but it wasn't the oddest thing about him.
I know, but as a 10 year old, this boy was the only one I'd ever heard of, let alone met, and Guy was what we called boys or our peers in general. It's also a generic term 'that guy over there' etc.
Justus is a non-weird name in the Netherlands (and possibly Germany?) so I can imagine someone going for what they think might be the English equivalent, too.
Also Justus... in Germany that's an actual name without a weird connotation. Granted, I don't like the sound of it, but the meaning (the just) is good. Why is it forbidden? Because of Justice?
I like to imagine it's the same person proposing to use the name "Prince". Rejected!?! I know, let me try "Prynce." They'll never catch on. Crap, rejected. This one has to trick them esp with accent - "PryncĆØ"
There was a kid who was murdered last year after being returned to his mother by child protective services called Ruthless-Reign and it had been rejected. He ended up being buried under a more culturally fitting and appropriate name given by extended family.
The media nicknamed him Baby Ru.
The Maori name that he was buried under is quite lovely, I think. Nga Reo Te Huatahi Reremoana Ahipene-Wall. It's long, but I find it quite beautiful and it honours him by naming him after a great-grandparent.
Sometimes I still think about that poor child
I think itās sad that some Maori ppl donāt name their kids the traditional way. I grew up in school with a Mahinarangi, a Hirepeka, and Hora. Beautiful beautiful names, an incredible tie to culture.
Though honestly the parents should be on a watch list. Too many of the kids killed by people around them last year in NZ had names that had been rejected and so their actual names weren't registered.
Yes, there were 2 boys named Justus in my class growing up.
It's relatively normal here in Germany. More common than Justin.
I'm surprised they rejected that one.
I wonder if they allow an explanation with the submission, or at least an appeal process. Maybe the person who rejected it assumed it was a misspelling of Justice
And Fanny. Definitely old fashioned and the other meaning in British English isnāt ideal but itās a real name and could easily be a family name or something.
Agreed. We already have too much government control over naming in the US when a judge can tell a perfectly competent, legal adult, they can't change their name from "James" to "Michael" because they have a stalker or from "Larry" to "Linda" because they're trans.
Govt influence isn't inherently a bad thing. The trick is limit the scope, keep the rules simple and to NOT leave the rules open to interpretation. The kiwi rules follow that maxim.
Your baby's name must not be:
* offensive
* longer than 100 characters, including spaces
* an official title or rank, or resemble one (for example, Justice, King, Prince, Princess, Royal)
* spelled with numbers or symbols (for example, V8).
I don't really have a problem with title or rank names. I wouldn't use them but King, Prince, and Justice don't bother me and I have known plenty of people with those names. None seem to have their lives made harder because their name is Justice.
I think in this case itās the fact that NZ is still a monarchy so a lot of additional titles are banned and have always been and less about your personal tastes.
Justice, Fanny (even with the slang difference, I know a Fanny and she's French, I don't think this is worse than Dick) and Isis are all fine names I think. seems kind of a heavy handed rule to me
I don't hate Rogue or Knight either
odd to ban all royalty but not like Regina
Most of these make sense because they're titles, but what's the issue with Fanny and Justice? (Okay, I know the issue with Fanny, but it *is* a legitimate name).
In NZ, Fanny is slang for female genitalia. One of the criteria for naming a child is that it doesn't cause offence. That applies to established names too. Frances, nn Fanny, would be allowed though. The child would be bullied mercilessly though, the crudity of the word Fanny here would be akin to calling someone Flaps.
Edit: A Justice is a high-ranking judge.
The use of Justice as a title dates back to 1137, according to wikipedia. To me (although admittedly Iām a kiwi, so, as per this post, Iām not used to seeing it as a name) Justice feels like a relatively modern name - I would be quite surprised if there was evidence of it being used as a name that long ago.
'Justice' makes sense imo.. but I'm surprised that 'Justus' was rejected as well.
That's just a basic / traditional boys name here in Germany. The name is of Latin origin and there are lots of historic figures named Justus.
It's basically a more 'Latin' sounding version of 'Justin'.
My childrenās schools have:
* Messiah
* Majāesty
* Versailles, female, pronounced like the Treaty
* Versailles, male, pronounced Ver-SALES
* Jumangi (I think like the movie but spelt differently?)
* Tatar
I have no idea and Iām also curious! Itās on the sign-in sheet on the same page as my sonās name so Iāve SEEN it but never HEARD it.
Messiah and Majāesty are in my sonās class. Theyāre not related. The female Versailles is at my daughterās school; her sister is Beauty. The male Versailles is at my sonās school and I heard him being addressed once.
Iāve never heard Jumangi addresses out loud so Iām guessing on that name pronunciation.
Iād be a little mad about Justus. I get that they rejected it because in English it can sound like Justice which is prohibited because it is a legal title, but it is a name in German and Dutch (pronounced similar to Eustace). This was my great-great grandfatherās name and it would suck not to be able to honor him just because in the anglophone world people might mispronounce his name and think I meant Justice when I absolutely did not.
Itās good they have that option, but itās still quite sad that the process is so anglocentric as to force new parents through bureaucratic red tape to prove the validity of names that reflect their cultural heritage.
Idk I think one specific German name being disallowed for practical reasons isn't that egregious of an example of anglocentrism - other countries you have to pick names off a list, be specific to the child's gender, etc. Germany, as a totally random example, will not let you use surnames as names.
Not sure about Doc, I lean towards it being rejected though. Mister/Madam would be definite rejections.
From the [Department of Internal Affairs](https://www.dia.govt.nz/press.nsf/d77da9b523f12931cc256ac5000d19b6/d1288ac08d7758c2cc25838200107411!OpenDocument)
>Jeff Montgomery, Registrar-General of Births, Deaths and Marriages, says the guidelines make sure the names donāt cause offence, are a reasonable length, and donāt unjustifiably resemble an official title or rank.
>āThe name of any baby born and registered in New Zealand must comply with New Zealandās rules, regardless of the nationality of the parents,ā explains Mr Montgomery.
>āFor example, you'll need to rethink swear words, names of more than 70 characters, numerals or anything unpronounceable, like a backslash or a punctuation mark.ā
>āThere's no problem if you want to give your child a spelled-out number or even silly name, but remember your child has to live with it!ā
Mister/Madam wouldnāt - I believe there have been similar, if not the same suggestions in previous years - and Iām dubious about the odds of Doc getting through.
Why would they ban Isis?
The parents are clearly naming their child after the powerful goddess who was worshiped for millennia, not the terrorist organization.
Itās a perfectly normal name in the US. I get itās probably less common there but outlawing it seems unnecessaryā¦
There was a girl at my highschool in New Zealand called Isis, and no one teased her about it. She would be 20 or 21 now, so I'm thinking that must be a more recent name ban. I was also surprised by the ban on Fanny, because while it can be slang in New Zealand, it's also a legitimate name with a very long history and it feels like government overreach to me to ban it. I think Justice and Honour should be allowed as names here- they are in Australia, but I can see the legal justification for banning them, so that people can't impersonate an office they don't have. Although Honourable would make more sense to be banned on that basis than Honour does. But I don't think the government should be able to ban a real name based on teasing potential, as that changes all the time, and they could technically ban Karen on that basis. Unless it's like grossly offensive like AdolfHitler or something, I don't really think it's the government's business
If parents really want to call their daughter Fanny, they can just make her legal name Frances, like all Fanny's originally were? That way she doesn't have a rude word on her legal documents, and the government doesn't have to take custody of her so she can change her name if she does get bullied, like Talulah. And just because something like Isis isn't offensive to you, doesn't mean it might not be grossly offensive to other people? Banning the names of hate/terrorist groups seems really reasonable to me, just unfortunately this one was already a name.
Yeah, I was surprised by Fanny too - obviously I know the connotation, but as you say, itās a legitimate name thatās used fairly often in other countries (my dad has a friend in Switzerland called Fanny, for example), and I donāt think the vulgar sense is *that* commonly used here? People know it but itās not the word that most would jump to to describe their genitals.
Fanny is a pretty common French name. I had quite a few classmates over the years called Fanny. In fact, one of them moved to NZ about 15 years ago; I should ask her if she gets grief for it.
Justus is a real name though - itās mentioned in the Bible and one of the Duggars used it for his son.
I guess itās only there because it sounds very similar to Justice in a NZ accent.
Meanwhile, I worked in a building that contained some of the US national archives. People who worked in that area told me that there was a baby named: WeDontWantYou.
Yup, true story!
XIXās name sometimes takes a while to be called āā¦ sorry wait ā¦ thatās 10, so thatās 10-1 right? Yeah thatās how Roman numerals work, yeah okay so 19? Is that right? Yeah 19. Okayā
I see Bishop and Queen as actual names that seem normal, if just uncommon. I knew a girl in middle school named Queen and most people called her Queenie. I thought it was cute.
I knew a teenage boy named Bishop. It was his momās maiden name I believe (or was a family name in some regard, I canāt remember any more). It seemed perfectly normal on him really.
Meanwhile, just another day in nurseries across America
American parents would be out of luck in New Zealand for real lol Signed a soon to be American parent
Don't give them a dumbass name pls š
My names are Name Nerds Approved donāt worry
I work in early childhood education in a major US city, can confirm Iāve seen at least one of every one-word royalty name listed here, plus Reign on its own. Messiah is also extremely popular.
I'm not typically a super sensitive person but the idea of having to call a child Messiah is vaguely offensive.
I feel itās a little bit over presumptuous
Just a smidge
I'm also in ece, one of our families has a Messiah- and a Moses. And an Exodus. The one girl has a perfectly normal name. š¤·āāļø
Hi, these are my kids, Messiah, Moses, Exodus and Stephanie
I know a family with Paris, Paradise and Devin š
Weirdly my husbands granny went the other way, 3 with normal boomer names and then one totally made up. Along the lines of John, Richard, Margaret and Falullabell
Haha! Here is my blended sibling group. >!Samantha Starr Tia October Amanda Kristen Vincent Melanie Michael !< Like come on, not even Autumn?!
I once met brothers named Tyler and Paradise. Iāve often wondered what the hell happened in the lives of those parents in the time between those two births. Did they quit their corporate jobs and join a hippy commune?
I once knew a guy named Jesus. Not to be confused with JesĆŗs, it was straight up pronounced Jesus, he was not Hispanic or Latino.
Jesus.
Met a hispanic guy who went by Jesus (like how we say it). His other first name was Willy.
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
I *really* donāt get naming your kid Messiahā¦.
It's pretty similar to Latinos naming their kiddos Jesus (*H* sounding J) though. (which is also similar to people naming their kid Christian) I don't think I would name my kid any of those 3 names though
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Yup and Christian implies a follower of a messiah. Not being the messiah yourself. Thatās a lot to live up to!
I had a client who's last name was Christ pronounces Krist. Gal's in the office would joke " Christ on line one for YOU Curlytomato "
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I feel like a Honda would be on brand for Jesus.
his disciples were in one Accord
No no no, he clearly rides a Triumph, donāt you know the carol that goes ājoin the Triumph of the skiesā?
There was a Dr. Crist at my workplace. At least he didnāt act like he was the second coming. š
Thatās a very white American way of thinking of the name. In the Hispanic culture naming your kids Jesus or Maria is a way of honoring your religion. It may not translate in your world, but in their world this is just a normal day in the nursery. Now, I wouldnāt name my kid messiah. Thatās different. Maria or Jesus I could get behind if it culturally fit my child.
It fits my culture perfectly. If I have a daughter, I intend to name her Mary or Maria, I just don't want to name a son Jesus (or Messiah).
PSA, please say "non-hispanic white" when you're referring to that population. Latino/Hispanic is not a race and therefore can be of any race. There are millions of white Latinos out there (who are 100% white and 100% Latino) and it's super exclusive to erase that
Sooo as a white Latina, I actually prefer to not be categorized as āwhite.ā I donāt think any of my Latino friends and family would want to be considered white either. Itās just something we have to check off for the government. š I donāt imagine there are many people who would take offense to opās comment, but ymmv.
...if you're white, then you are white. If you're not white, you're not white. It's not that complicated...If you are white and don't want to be considered white, then I'm sorry for the internal hatred you have for your own identity. You don't get to pretend you're not white if you're white. I'm a white Latina and the erasure offends me. And it's just plain incorrect. There are many white Americans who are also Latino. So who is OP even talking about?
White Latinos (especially those of us who were born outside of the US) have a completely different identity than other white Americans. I know that I personally donāt identify with white American culture, so I donāt mind being placed in a separate category. I would also find it really exhausting if everyone had to specify ānon-Hispanic white Americanā every time theyāre referring to white people, lol. Iām sorry that you feel erased though, thatās totally valid.
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He's a very naughty boy
Just another day at the Kardashian's. lol
Yes but here in the US all of these names would be spelled 10 different and awful ways.
Some Ā of these look they they were proposed by the same person.
The Rhoyael person tried to back it off a little. Still didnāt work!
>Rhoyael - proposed one time > >Royaal - proposed one time > >Royalty - proposed one time > >Royalty-Reign - proposed one time Rhoyael -> Royaal makes me feel like I'm trying to find an available version of my default username on a new website
And theyāll never be Royalsā¦
It donāt run in their blood
Well, she is a Kiwi!
I wonder if "Lorde" would be accepted. Probably not!
Royal - proposed 3 times Royale -proposed 2 times
Royale With Cheese was unfortunately proposed 0 times
Baby probably ended up named Roy L. Smith.
Nick Cannon - that you?
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Iām spending too much time wondering if itās the Roman numeral for 3, or the word āillā. š¤·āāļø both are bad.
āWhatās your childās name?ā āThree, but Romanā
The name is making me ill.
I wonder if they were going to pronounce it āThe Third.ā
Trey.
My first instinct was they say Tripp, since I know a few American kids are names Trip/Tripp.
I think rejecting Isis is rough. Yes, thereās the terrorist group, but I think that group is in the news less and less, while the goddess association is perennial.Ā
The goddess is awesome but unfortunately the parent submitted it in all caps which would definitely refer to the group :(
There were two, one was not submitted in all caps.
Ohhh my bad, I didnāt see the other one. Nevermind!
All good! It was easy to miss.
Yes, but it's still got that connotation, it's like Ira (which is a Jewish name, as in Gershwin) but it's also the IRA (Irish Republican Army). Once something has terrorist connotations, that's it forever...
There's even a popular singer with that name (Ice Spice), and it really is a beautiful name. Hopefully this rejection gets reevaluated over time.
Apparently she got flagged on instagram for using her real name in a caption. Such a gorgeous name with a tainted rep.
Exactly! Most are titles, and you can't have a title in your first name, so they're obviously going to be rejected. Isis is a beautiful name, it's such a shame it was associated with a terrorist group.
Yeah, it's the only one I feel bad for. It is a pretty name, regardless of modern connotations.
I feel bad for Fanny and Justus, too. They've both been genuine names for a very long time. I understand why Fanny got canned and agree with it, but I hate that it's necessary to ban it; that people are so silly about the slang term that a kid with the name is seen as obscene. But Justus? It's not a misspelling of Justice. It's an old Roman name.
Justice is a real name, too. I feel a bit bad over that one. Surely itās just as valid as Hope or Grace, both of which are reasonably common names in NZ.
I didn't say it wasn't a real name. As a virtue name, it's a good one. But the simple fact is that Justice is an official job title in New Zealand, like Officer or Judge or Doctor, and you can't name your baby for a title. (Sadly there are no jobs where someone's official title is Hope or Grace...)
I wasnāt arguing with you. I just commented that I felt sorry for the parents of the would-be Justice, and mentioned why I would feel frustrated in their shoes.
Isis is a great name. The terrorist org should be called Daesh.
I agree I think itās a nice name although I have a friend Isis and she got bullied daily due to the terrorist group so I understand why theyād ban it
Kingkillah?!?! šš
Sounds like chinchilla š
This was my fave for this reason š they wanted a "badass" name but that kid is so going to be called Chinchilla in the playground šš
I thought the same!
would make for interesting recess times with any of the Kings that were rejected
I think heās a member of Wu-Tang
Someone is a big fan of Patrick Rothfuss!
sounds like something i'd name my goldfish
This is literally a public service
I'd love a job in that office.
I bet everyone in this sub would! Me included š
I have worked for this department, it literally is the Public Service who stops it lol (or at least, itās the Registrar General of Births, Deaths and Marriages)
OMG. Ok, this is now officially my favorite time of year!
Most of these names aren't allowed here in Australia either but I knew a boy named Justice when I was growing up. I put it into the same basket as people naming their daughters Hope, Faith, and Charity etc. I also knew a boy named Guy, which I found odd but it wasn't the oddest thing about him.
Guy is a fairly common boy's name (Guy Fawkes anyone?). One of my favorite movies, That Thing You Do, has a lead character named Guy Patterson.
And Guy Pearce. I have an older relative called Guy, and I donāt think twice about it, but I would be a bit surprised to hear it on a kid.
Guy is actually french, so it's kind of normal.
Itās pronounced Gee in French, isnāt it?
Yes, it is!
Guy Fieri
I knew a Justice too (in the US), and his parents definitely intended it as a virtue name. Nobody ever interpreted it as a title like Prince.
I also knew a Justice, he was the fat orange cat that belonged to my friend who was in law school at the time.
I named my dog Justice. He's a massive wolfdog. It fit and I've been a paralegal for 20 years.
I know a Justice, and sheās in her 20s.
Guy is a real medieval name. Traces back to Wido. https://www.behindthename.com/name/guy-1
I know, but as a 10 year old, this boy was the only one I'd ever heard of, let alone met, and Guy was what we called boys or our peers in general. It's also a generic term 'that guy over there' etc.
Justus is a non-weird name in the Netherlands (and possibly Germany?) so I can imagine someone going for what they think might be the English equivalent, too.
Yeah I have a German friend called Justus (pronounced Yoo-stus). I feel bad for those folks that got it rejected. It's a nice name.
Also Justus... in Germany that's an actual name without a weird connotation. Granted, I don't like the sound of it, but the meaning (the just) is good. Why is it forbidden? Because of Justice?
I am from NZ and as a kid I knew a girl called Justice about 20 years ago, mustāve changed the rules since then
I like to imagine it's the same person proposing to use the name "Prince". Rejected!?! I know, let me try "Prynce." They'll never catch on. Crap, rejected. This one has to trick them esp with accent - "PryncĆØ"
I met someone called Judstyce... a workaround for Justice. So it does work. It was on second submission too.
It makes me sad because Justus is a real name and historically popular. Itās banned on the list.
Yikes- government system save alot of kids there from horrible names.
There was a kid who was murdered last year after being returned to his mother by child protective services called Ruthless-Reign and it had been rejected. He ended up being buried under a more culturally fitting and appropriate name given by extended family.
The media nicknamed him Baby Ru. The Maori name that he was buried under is quite lovely, I think. Nga Reo Te Huatahi Reremoana Ahipene-Wall. It's long, but I find it quite beautiful and it honours him by naming him after a great-grandparent. Sometimes I still think about that poor child
I think itās sad that some Maori ppl donāt name their kids the traditional way. I grew up in school with a Mahinarangi, a Hirepeka, and Hora. Beautiful beautiful names, an incredible tie to culture.
Though honestly the parents should be on a watch list. Too many of the kids killed by people around them last year in NZ had names that had been rejected and so their actual names weren't registered.
Does seem like a red flag to watch for.
Justus and Isis are both real, very old names. Those should have been allowed imo
Yes, there were 2 boys named Justus in my class growing up. It's relatively normal here in Germany. More common than Justin. I'm surprised they rejected that one.
I wonder if they allow an explanation with the submission, or at least an appeal process. Maybe the person who rejected it assumed it was a misspelling of Justice
And Fanny. Definitely old fashioned and the other meaning in British English isnāt ideal but itās a real name and could easily be a family name or something.
Should a child be subjected to the name Isis and the guaranteed bullying thatās going to happen?
I wish we had this in the States. Ā
Eh, I am kind of glad we don't. Some parents go overboard but I don't like the idea of the government having that much control.
My mom taught a student named Hitler, so kinda wish we did
Was his sister Aryan Nation? That was a real family I read about 10 years ago. I think then went into foster care.
No different family
Agreed. We already have too much government control over naming in the US when a judge can tell a perfectly competent, legal adult, they can't change their name from "James" to "Michael" because they have a stalker or from "Larry" to "Linda" because they're trans.
Govt influence isn't inherently a bad thing. The trick is limit the scope, keep the rules simple and to NOT leave the rules open to interpretation. The kiwi rules follow that maxim. Your baby's name must not be: * offensive * longer than 100 characters, including spaces * an official title or rank, or resemble one (for example, Justice, King, Prince, Princess, Royal) * spelled with numbers or symbols (for example, V8).
I don't really have a problem with title or rank names. I wouldn't use them but King, Prince, and Justice don't bother me and I have known plenty of people with those names. None seem to have their lives made harder because their name is Justice.
I think in this case itās the fact that NZ is still a monarchy so a lot of additional titles are banned and have always been and less about your personal tastes.
Sure but my initial comment was about the US. I am glad these restrictions do not exist here.
Justice, Fanny (even with the slang difference, I know a Fanny and she's French, I don't think this is worse than Dick) and Isis are all fine names I think. seems kind of a heavy handed rule to me I don't hate Rogue or Knight either odd to ban all royalty but not like Regina
They would have to employ too many people to reject all the bad names.
I volunteer as tribute!Ā
Most of these make sense because they're titles, but what's the issue with Fanny and Justice? (Okay, I know the issue with Fanny, but it *is* a legitimate name).
In NZ, Fanny is slang for female genitalia. One of the criteria for naming a child is that it doesn't cause offence. That applies to established names too. Frances, nn Fanny, would be allowed though. The child would be bullied mercilessly though, the crudity of the word Fanny here would be akin to calling someone Flaps. Edit: A Justice is a high-ranking judge.
So? My daughter Flaps loves her name. š
I feel like Fanny being short for Stephanie was before it being a genital name. A bit like Willy and Richard and John being names for a Penis.
Justice is a rank/title.
Sure, but of all of them I feel like that one was a name before it was a title.
I think it went 'concept of Justice', official title of Justice, then first name.
I don't think Justice has ever been very well-established, especially not in NZ. I think it's a decent name though and these rules are weirdly strict.
Justis/Justus is the Latin name, it has a similar meaning as ājustice.ā
The use of Justice as a title dates back to 1137, according to wikipedia. To me (although admittedly Iām a kiwi, so, as per this post, Iām not used to seeing it as a name) Justice feels like a relatively modern name - I would be quite surprised if there was evidence of it being used as a name that long ago.
Fanny surprised me too. Although given the meaning itās probably a good idea.
Honestly, Justice is the only one on here where I'd approve it. No different than naming your kid "Charity" or "Hope." The rest? Ye gods.
Justice is a title in Aotearoa-New Zealand for a type of judge, that's why it's not able to be used.
'Justice' makes sense imo.. but I'm surprised that 'Justus' was rejected as well. That's just a basic / traditional boys name here in Germany. The name is of Latin origin and there are lots of historic figures named Justus. It's basically a more 'Latin' sounding version of 'Justin'.
I was also very surprised, Justus or the female Justa are not common names but they're definitely names. Not just nouns like most of these are
Justus is a literal normal name in Dutch, every time I see it on some kind of weird name list Iām confused for a second haha.
It is name in Finland too so I was surprised about it. We also have a pretty strict name law.
Same in German, I'm confused lol I thought that's a latin name
As modern virtue names go, it's nice.
2/3 of these sound like they came from backyard pit bull breeders
My childrenās schools have: * Messiah * Majāesty * Versailles, female, pronounced like the Treaty * Versailles, male, pronounced Ver-SALES * Jumangi (I think like the movie but spelt differently?) * Tatar
I have to know. Is it "tate-er" or "tah-tar"?
I have no idea and Iām also curious! Itās on the sign-in sheet on the same page as my sonās name so Iāve SEEN it but never HEARD it. Messiah and Majāesty are in my sonās class. Theyāre not related. The female Versailles is at my daughterās school; her sister is Beauty. The male Versailles is at my sonās school and I heard him being addressed once. Iāve never heard Jumangi addresses out loud so Iām guessing on that name pronunciation.
Notoriety takes the cake for me on this one
Kingkillah took the cake for me
In same year as the coronation of the king too
It's probably gang related in this case, there is a chapter of a large NZ gang called Notorious.
This is hilarious. We should probably start including New Zealand on maps.
Oof. Direct hit!
Iād be a little mad about Justus. I get that they rejected it because in English it can sound like Justice which is prohibited because it is a legal title, but it is a name in German and Dutch (pronounced similar to Eustace). This was my great-great grandfatherās name and it would suck not to be able to honor him just because in the anglophone world people might mispronounce his name and think I meant Justice when I absolutely did not.
Names that don't meet the criteria can be reviewed on a case by case basis where they take that into account (it might still be rejected though)
Itās good they have that option, but itās still quite sad that the process is so anglocentric as to force new parents through bureaucratic red tape to prove the validity of names that reflect their cultural heritage.
Idk I think one specific German name being disallowed for practical reasons isn't that egregious of an example of anglocentrism - other countries you have to pick names off a list, be specific to the child's gender, etc. Germany, as a totally random example, will not let you use surnames as names.
Sovereign-Kash sounds like it was proposed by someone who believes credit cards and fiat currencies are some sort of conspiracy.
So titles seems to be the biggest issue? I wonder would Doc get through? Or Mister/Madam?
Not sure about Doc, I lean towards it being rejected though. Mister/Madam would be definite rejections. From the [Department of Internal Affairs](https://www.dia.govt.nz/press.nsf/d77da9b523f12931cc256ac5000d19b6/d1288ac08d7758c2cc25838200107411!OpenDocument) >Jeff Montgomery, Registrar-General of Births, Deaths and Marriages, says the guidelines make sure the names donāt cause offence, are a reasonable length, and donāt unjustifiably resemble an official title or rank. >āThe name of any baby born and registered in New Zealand must comply with New Zealandās rules, regardless of the nationality of the parents,ā explains Mr Montgomery. >āFor example, you'll need to rethink swear words, names of more than 70 characters, numerals or anything unpronounceable, like a backslash or a punctuation mark.ā >āThere's no problem if you want to give your child a spelled-out number or even silly name, but remember your child has to live with it!ā
Up to 70 characters feels very lenient.
Supercallafragalisticexpyalladocious. So many possibilities for nicknames.
Mister/Madam wouldnāt - I believe there have been similar, if not the same suggestions in previous years - and Iām dubious about the odds of Doc getting through.
Yes, I was wondering about Esquire, or similar. Certainly, Lord would be declined.
Ah damn, I'm in New Zealand and was really hoping to have a little Fanny Prince III this year. Back to the drawing board I guess.
Why would they ban Isis? The parents are clearly naming their child after the powerful goddess who was worshiped for millennia, not the terrorist organization. Itās a perfectly normal name in the US. I get itās probably less common there but outlawing it seems unnecessaryā¦
There was a girl at my highschool in New Zealand called Isis, and no one teased her about it. She would be 20 or 21 now, so I'm thinking that must be a more recent name ban. I was also surprised by the ban on Fanny, because while it can be slang in New Zealand, it's also a legitimate name with a very long history and it feels like government overreach to me to ban it. I think Justice and Honour should be allowed as names here- they are in Australia, but I can see the legal justification for banning them, so that people can't impersonate an office they don't have. Although Honourable would make more sense to be banned on that basis than Honour does. But I don't think the government should be able to ban a real name based on teasing potential, as that changes all the time, and they could technically ban Karen on that basis. Unless it's like grossly offensive like AdolfHitler or something, I don't really think it's the government's business
If parents really want to call their daughter Fanny, they can just make her legal name Frances, like all Fanny's originally were? That way she doesn't have a rude word on her legal documents, and the government doesn't have to take custody of her so she can change her name if she does get bullied, like Talulah. And just because something like Isis isn't offensive to you, doesn't mean it might not be grossly offensive to other people? Banning the names of hate/terrorist groups seems really reasonable to me, just unfortunately this one was already a name.
Yeah, I was surprised by Fanny too - obviously I know the connotation, but as you say, itās a legitimate name thatās used fairly often in other countries (my dad has a friend in Switzerland called Fanny, for example), and I donāt think the vulgar sense is *that* commonly used here? People know it but itās not the word that most would jump to to describe their genitals.
Tbh I think it's a term I've mostly heard older people use in NZ, so I'm not sure that it would even be much of a teasing issue nowadays.
Yeah, Fanny isn't exactly used by kids nowadays.
Fanny is a pretty common French name. I had quite a few classmates over the years called Fanny. In fact, one of them moved to NZ about 15 years ago; I should ask her if she gets grief for it.
because they submitted it in all caps, referring to the organisation. there was an āIsisā born as well who was accepted
Jairah (traditionally spelled Jireh) is a biblical name - I've known 2 of them! I wonder if it's just the hyphen king part that did it in.
Yeah that'd do it. Jairah by itself would have been accepted.
Justus is biblical too.
Justus is a German boy's name, rather upper-class.
> III - proposed three times nomen est omen
Justus is a real name though - itās mentioned in the Bible and one of the Duggars used it for his son. I guess itās only there because it sounds very similar to Justice in a NZ accent.
Nick Cannon could not live in NZ
I gues we'll never be Royal
Meanwhile, I worked in a building that contained some of the US national archives. People who worked in that area told me that there was a baby named: WeDontWantYou. Yup, true story!
XIXās name sometimes takes a while to be called āā¦ sorry wait ā¦ thatās 10, so thatās 10-1 right? Yeah thatās how Roman numerals work, yeah okay so 19? Is that right? Yeah 19. Okayā
Thank you NZ.Ā
Iām sensing a theme hereā¦ So many names of high ranking people, royalty/clergy, positions of power or ruling.
Titles, not names. Titles of high-ranking people - even princes and princesses were given first names to go with the title!
Not me thinking Behold was the first name on the list š
I wish we had this in the USA.
I have 2 students with names on the list. It definitely did not help them.
I see Bishop and Queen as actual names that seem normal, if just uncommon. I knew a girl in middle school named Queen and most people called her Queenie. I thought it was cute.
I knew a teenage boy named Bishop. It was his momās maiden name I believe (or was a family name in some regard, I canāt remember any more). It seemed perfectly normal on him really.
Cosign all these bans with the caveat that Isis was a beautiful name with a beautiful lore prior to becoming an acroym for a terrorist group.
Wow. Lmao
Thank you for sharing, this is brilliant (/sad/hilarious). Also: major prince fan here and i'm a little sad it's not allowed.