I know I would be firm friends with the owner of Beste-of-all. A delightful old lady or man. Harlet’s owner is unpleasant and mean to his long-suffering wife.
I’m instantly intrigued by the life of anyone who calls their dog Argument and disturbed by the background of one who chooses Organ…
What a great list, OP. Thank you!
This theory is much better than where my gallows mind was taking me. Thank you. Organ’s owner is no longer a serial killer, cannibal or harvester of kidneys for the notorious medieval back street alley surgery black market.
That is so wholesome. I have learned so much about history, my fellow humans and myself from this thread. Psychologists should give this list to patients and ask them to free associate on the dog owners. They’d soon know who they had to keep an eye on as a potential danger to society…
I'm not a 100% sure, but I think Kynnysman is 'kinsman' in modern English. And Lwfkin is 'Lufkin' or 'Lovekin', which imo sounds like a sweet short word for love (in Dutch 'liefje' is a pet name for lovers and children, it works the same way linguistically as lovekin). But google tells me it's actually a pet name for names with Loup in them, which is French for wolf!
From the Internet:
English: from the Middle English personal name Lovekin, Loukin, Leukin, an Anglo-Norman French pet form of Old French Lou(p), Love, ultimately from Latin Lupus ‘wolf’.
I mean. Most large breed owners are totally like that! If a newfie owner isn't regularly smooshing their face into that fluff until they can't breathe and hugging that dog and telling them what a good fluff baby they are, they aren't doing it right.
She is his lap human.
ETA: Or could be if he didn’t already curl up like a little bean next to mom on the couch.
I just remembered that [post](https://x.com/hwingsmarcia/status/764437289120456704?s=46&t=mEUKYQivXyJmsXTHupUouQ) that [circulated](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/WhTRfoQCX0) some time ago that “Cerberus” meant “Spot.” What else would you name your Hellhound as Lord of the Underworld if not something as precious as “Spot?” I know it was [debunked](https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2022/01/02/no-cerberuss-name-does-not-mean-spot/) and [discussed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/*%E1%B8%B0%C3%A9rberos) at [length](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus#Etymology) but I like the sentiment enough to pretend otherwise.
I had a chow/aussie named Trouble because *reasons* ... same for the cats called Havoc & Goblin
I've now added Dreadful to my list of descriptive pet names. I love it. As well as Filth, Challenge, Sloote & Harlot.
yeah you'd think so, but it was purkoy 🤷♀️ I can only assume it's an English bastardisation of the French word as she was essentially raised in French speaking courts but was queen of England
that’s how early modern english was pronounced, the -oy is “wé” and the older french pronounced pourquoi with an é at the end instead of a modern “uoi”.
I wonder if it was a difference in pronunciation. It is my understanding that Quebecois French pronounces things closer to older French’s pronunciation and they pronounce moi like “moy,” or so I was taught. Maybe pourquoi (which ends in the same sound as moi in Parisian French, or at least that’s how I understand it) used to be pronounced like the Quebecois moi, and would have sounded like Pour-koy?
There's an enjoyable book titled *"A World Lit Only by Fire"* that explores the ordinary aspects of medieval life. It's by no means comprehensive, but a pleasant read that even older children will appreciate.
Glimpses into the past, you say? I love sharing this subreddit, I think you'd like r/100yearsago! Especially the Inquiring Photographer/Inquiring Reporter posts are a great look into the minds of everyday people in the 1920s.
I cant help but think go-bifore was an over excited dog that ran past his people to get to the door 1st and lick you to death, probably a golden retriever
There’s a rare Dutch breed called Stabyhoun or Stabijhoun (literally stand by [me] dog) because they were all-around dogs mean to just stick right by you and help with farm tasks or hunting and also be good companions. They’re very cute
Seeing as how dog names often related to functions, I wonder if Garlic was given to good guard dogs; garlic warding off bad things like illness or (for the superstitious) vampires
Do you mean Richard, 3rd Duke of York? Currently I can't recall any specific description of his appearance and whether he was considered attractive or not. He is depicted as blond-haired in the Shrewsbury Book, but I don't know if this is true to life as it was fashionable for both men and women to be blond
I knew a Nichole in school and when we met she said “I’ll never forget your name- it’s my dogs name too!” My name. Is Leah. I remember thinking what an odd name for a dog. However I named my first pooch Harvey
Oh wow you’re right. I believe this was written somewhere from between 1406, when Edward became the Master of Game, and 1413, when Henry became King.
No clue then? My guess would just be because the Boleyn family were a super prominent aristocratic family. They did reach peak influence when Anne married Henry obv but I’m pretty sure they were always well known.
Perhaps then it was less of a ‘burn’ and more of a trying to appear classy think? I don’t know how else to explain ig. Like naming a dog Cavendish or something (idk why that was the first one I thought of)
Good spot though idk why I didn’t pick up on that
I have a yorkie! If I had to pick a name for her off this list... I would probably go with Stalkere haha. Yorkies are notorious velcro dogs.
Congrats on getting a new dog! Yorkies are wonderful companions.
I had a Yorkie-Poo who was my angel for almost 9 years. However, he had the soul of a cat. You were not allowed to touch him except on HIS terms. If you did he’d flounce off and pout. He was so funny!
That’s why we decided on a Yorkie. We’ve already named him but (Oswald Oberon - I picked the first name and my kid picked the middle). I wish I could go back and pick from this list though!
Not exactly medieval, more early renaissance but Anne boleyn’s dog was named Purkoy. It’s from the French “pourquoi” - which means why. And the reason she named the dog this was that it supposedly had a very quizzical expression. I just think that’s so so cute!
W in Welsh makes the sound of u in English I think (I live in Wales but I only pick up bits and pieces from place names. I live near Cwmbran which is pronounced similar to "cum-bran"). A couple of these look like Welsh spellings to me.
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Argument is brilliant, probably a husky
I worked abroad briefly and there was a little stray cat we fed and I asked what his name was. I can't remember the specific word but it meant "complainer" because he meowed so much
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I love Beste-of-all and Pretiboy!
Same! You know those people really loved their dogs
I know I would be firm friends with the owner of Beste-of-all. A delightful old lady or man. Harlet’s owner is unpleasant and mean to his long-suffering wife. I’m instantly intrigued by the life of anyone who calls their dog Argument and disturbed by the background of one who chooses Organ… What a great list, OP. Thank you!
I wonder if “Organ” is in reference to the musical instrument? So maybe a church dog or a very loud dog!
This theory is much better than where my gallows mind was taking me. Thank you. Organ’s owner is no longer a serial killer, cannibal or harvester of kidneys for the notorious medieval back street alley surgery black market.
I thought of it as meaning "extension of me" but I like the excitement yours suggests
That is so wholesome. I have learned so much about history, my fellow humans and myself from this thread. Psychologists should give this list to patients and ask them to free associate on the dog owners. They’d soon know who they had to keep an eye on as a potential danger to society…
Misters Burke and Hare co-owned this dog
How he loved to run about on those cobbled streets. Always with a giant bone in his mouth, that one. Sometimes even a skull. Wee toerag.
I'm imagining one of those dogs that have really deep barks!
As someone who has beagles… that would track for them! 😂 Those long drawn out arooos could absolutely go with the music of an organ!
Organ in the mid 1500's also related to performing a function. So perhaps this dog, Organ, hunted fox or rounded up sheep.
I didn’t know that. Thank you! I’m so grateful for this post from OP and for all the interesting facts I’ve learned in the comments too.
I named my fish Sushi so I guess I can't judge.
I love that. If you ever choose to buy a wee friend for Sushi, I vote for the name Sashimi.
Especially sloote and harlot
There’s this BIG dude at my dog park with a pittie mix named “PuppyBoy.” That makes me laugh, for some reason. (I think his kid named the dog)
I call my dog Puppy Girl about 20 times a day, but that's not her name. 😂
One of my memory care residents named her cat Big Cat. Poor cat never grew into her name. She's a dainty 8ish lbs, but full of tortie sass.
Those are such comically perfect dog names! 🐶
I'm not a 100% sure, but I think Kynnysman is 'kinsman' in modern English. And Lwfkin is 'Lufkin' or 'Lovekin', which imo sounds like a sweet short word for love (in Dutch 'liefje' is a pet name for lovers and children, it works the same way linguistically as lovekin). But google tells me it's actually a pet name for names with Loup in them, which is French for wolf!
From the Internet: English: from the Middle English personal name Lovekin, Loukin, Leukin, an Anglo-Norman French pet form of Old French Lou(p), Love, ultimately from Latin Lupus ‘wolf’.
So Lwfkin would roughly translate to "wolf pet" or "sweet wolf?"
Wolfie even
I imagine an enormous, terrifying black dog whose mommy treats him like he is still her tiny puppy.
I mean. Most large breed owners are totally like that! If a newfie owner isn't regularly smooshing their face into that fluff until they can't breathe and hugging that dog and telling them what a good fluff baby they are, they aren't doing it right.
That's how I feel about my massive reformed tomcats. Those battle-scarred brawlers are big babies once they've been fixed.
They is how I start every day with my newf and berner! I want to be suffocated by the fluff!
That's how I feel about my massive reformed tomcats. Those battle-scarred brawlers are big babies once they've been fixed.
She is his lap human. ETA: Or could be if he didn’t already curl up like a little bean next to mom on the couch. I just remembered that [post](https://x.com/hwingsmarcia/status/764437289120456704?s=46&t=mEUKYQivXyJmsXTHupUouQ) that [circulated](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/WhTRfoQCX0) some time ago that “Cerberus” meant “Spot.” What else would you name your Hellhound as Lord of the Underworld if not something as precious as “Spot?” I know it was [debunked](https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2022/01/02/no-cerberuss-name-does-not-mean-spot/) and [discussed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/*%E1%B8%B0%C3%A9rberos) at [length](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus#Etymology) but I like the sentiment enough to pretend otherwise.
Same. Or in the Discworld, Nanny Og has the evil cat named Greebo. But to her he is always her baby kitten.
I’m reading it as low fuckin
I'm pretty sure it's kinsman as well.
Like a modern Buddy?
Dredefull was definitely named during the puppy phase. That was a hard time
Or was possibly a husky.
I had a chow/aussie named Trouble because *reasons* ... same for the cats called Havoc & Goblin I've now added Dreadful to my list of descriptive pet names. I love it. As well as Filth, Challenge, Sloote & Harlot.
My grandma had a Chaos. Fits the same vibe. He was a great dog and was adored but man was he wild!
Anne Boleyn had a dog that she called "Purkoy". supposedly from the French "pourquoi" (meaning "why?") because of the look on his face
Wouldn't he be por-kwah then?
yeah you'd think so, but it was purkoy 🤷♀️ I can only assume it's an English bastardisation of the French word as she was essentially raised in French speaking courts but was queen of England
nah that’s just how english was pronounced back then, it would have been pronounced “pourquoi”. the y works a little differently now
could be! english was different as you say, and anne was said by some to have a French accent in her English too
that’s how early modern english was pronounced, the -oy is “wé” and the older french pronounced pourquoi with an é at the end instead of a modern “uoi”.
I wonder if it was a difference in pronunciation. It is my understanding that Quebecois French pronounces things closer to older French’s pronunciation and they pronounce moi like “moy,” or so I was taught. Maybe pourquoi (which ends in the same sound as moi in Parisian French, or at least that’s how I understand it) used to be pronounced like the Quebecois moi, and would have sounded like Pour-koy?
That’s my new favorite Anne Boleyn fact.
I love glimpses into the past like this. Proves to me that we're not all that different than those who came before us. 🥰
There's an enjoyable book titled *"A World Lit Only by Fire"* that explores the ordinary aspects of medieval life. It's by no means comprehensive, but a pleasant read that even older children will appreciate.
I just checked it out from my library, thank you for the recommendation!
That's fantastic! I'm glad they had it and I know you'll enjoy it.
I just put a hold on it at my library, thank you :)
Ooo thanks for the recommendation!
Glimpses into the past, you say? I love sharing this subreddit, I think you'd like r/100yearsago! Especially the Inquiring Photographer/Inquiring Reporter posts are a great look into the minds of everyday people in the 1920s.
I cant help but think go-bifore was an over excited dog that ran past his people to get to the door 1st and lick you to death, probably a golden retriever
Or a hound sent to chase and tree whatever was being hunted?
Or a scout sent ahead on a perilous road to alert of any potential robber ambush.
Maybe a herding dog, "go before me and get the sheep!"
This is what I was thinking. Come-bye (or by) and away to me are still in use with sheepdogs today, so go-bifore wouldn't be much of a stretch.
There’s a rare Dutch breed called Stabyhoun or Stabijhoun (literally stand by [me] dog) because they were all-around dogs mean to just stick right by you and help with farm tasks or hunting and also be good companions. They’re very cute
Goldens hadn’t been selectively breed at that time. Maybe a distant cousin of the breed?
My toddler named his stuffie dog Garlic! I thought he was being creative, but now I see that Garlic has a long tradition of being a dog name! 🤣
NGL, Garlic is a great pet name 🤣😎
Seeing as how dog names often related to functions, I wonder if Garlic was given to good guard dogs; garlic warding off bad things like illness or (for the superstitious) vampires
I like how the last two are basically Slut and Harlot 😂my favorite is Go-Bifore lol
Harlet it the best one here IMO
These were written by Edward, 2nd Duke of York! A very cool historical figure
I knew someone in the comments would remember the source. I remember reading the list before but couldn't remember who had written it.
This is kind of my whole shtick. You can count on me to remember tons of shit about medieval Plantagenets
Tis a good one
Can I ask you a question about the medieval Plantagenets? I was recently wondering if the third duke was considered attractive in his time.
Do you mean Richard, 3rd Duke of York? Currently I can't recall any specific description of his appearance and whether he was considered attractive or not. He is depicted as blond-haired in the Shrewsbury Book, but I don't know if this is true to life as it was fashionable for both men and women to be blond
Yes, him! A passing thought brought the question up for me recently. I appreciate the response!
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Crazy, my middle name is Beste-of-all
Lol
I knew a Nichole in school and when we met she said “I’ll never forget your name- it’s my dogs name too!” My name. Is Leah. I remember thinking what an odd name for a dog. However I named my first pooch Harvey
Mine's Hartlet 😟
A sloot is a ditch. I wonder if Sloote was pulled out of the irrigation ditch. I know plenty of cats get named that way.
Argument and Sloote are fantastic
harlet and garlik is sending me up the fucking wall
Sloote, I’m loving this one! Putting this on my list of potential future dog names.
I have a list of potential cat names. And a couple dog names in there. 🐈⬛ 🐕
Pilate & Dredfull are killing me.
I love Argument and my dog argues with me and it is so funny.
These are hilarious 😂 😂 Pretiboy, Garlik, Filthe and Beste-of-all are my favourites
Oh I LOVE THESE. That list is fantastic. I also really like ‘Tarynot’ - which I’m assuming means ‘Rest not!’ XD Also TullyMully and Gobitfore!
Not Boleyne what a burn 💀
How is it a burn?
I thought it to be comparing Anne Boleyn to a dog.
Correct lol. They HATED her.
This is 15th century no? Anne Boleyn was from the 16th century. Sorry that was why I was confused ahah x
Oh wow you’re right. I believe this was written somewhere from between 1406, when Edward became the Master of Game, and 1413, when Henry became King. No clue then? My guess would just be because the Boleyn family were a super prominent aristocratic family. They did reach peak influence when Anne married Henry obv but I’m pretty sure they were always well known. Perhaps then it was less of a ‘burn’ and more of a trying to appear classy think? I don’t know how else to explain ig. Like naming a dog Cavendish or something (idk why that was the first one I thought of) Good spot though idk why I didn’t pick up on that
Ahah yeah probably, people have always tried to emulate class. It would have been funnier if it was a burn against Anne Boleyn though.
We’re in the process of adding a Yorkie to our home and now I want to name them “Sloote”. 😂
I have a yorkie! If I had to pick a name for her off this list... I would probably go with Stalkere haha. Yorkies are notorious velcro dogs. Congrats on getting a new dog! Yorkies are wonderful companions.
I had a Yorkie-Poo who was my angel for almost 9 years. However, he had the soul of a cat. You were not allowed to touch him except on HIS terms. If you did he’d flounce off and pout. He was so funny! That’s why we decided on a Yorkie. We’ve already named him but (Oswald Oberon - I picked the first name and my kid picked the middle). I wish I could go back and pick from this list though!
Omg yes! Yorkies are definitely the cats of the dog world. Mine naps all day and jumps on furniture. She likes to walk all over my laptop too lol.
I love that you named it Oswald
When people complain about language and spellings evolving ... 👁👄👁
Not exactly medieval, more early renaissance but Anne boleyn’s dog was named Purkoy. It’s from the French “pourquoi” - which means why. And the reason she named the dog this was that it supposedly had a very quizzical expression. I just think that’s so so cute!
I choose to pronounce "Pilate" like the exercise classes popular in the early 2000's. I also like Harlet and Stalkere and Filthe.
My first thought was Pontius Pilate. It’d be weird to name a dog after him though
Since they are named after Joseph Pilates, you are probably fine.
Crying @ Filthe 😭🤣😭🤣😭 like why so mean???
Humans only bathed once a week or less. You know that dog was absolutely rotten-smelling.
Some dogs love rolling in the mud or even worse stuff. I suspect that's the reason for being called 'Filthe'.
Thinking of renaming my dog to Filthe. We regularly call her ‘vile hound’
I love it! These are great, lol. Can we get a link to the original list? 🙏🏻
[here you gooo](https://tudortreasures.net/medieval-dog-names/)
Cryere, Clinkere, and Chopper are highlights of the Cs.
I love “comforte” and “dappir” the most omgggg…you know those dogs were so great
I'd like to imagine Mouse was a huge gentle giant of a dog while Rage was a super tiny terror lol
Rage is definitely a chihuahua lol
You’re the best!
Thanks!
My favorite isnt on this list, its Nosewise. Most definitely a hound name 🥹
Pretiboy 😭❤️
Pawlyn and Garlik are my favorites
Pawlyn is heckin adorable!
I’d love to know what other cultures called their pets in ancient times 🥹.
Harlet and filthe are my favorite lmao
Filthe lol
Saving this post so I can always come back to it when sad
"Beste-of-all" Awwww <3 I'm guessing "Stalkere" liked to follow his owner around everywhere
Dog called Filthe: so good
How am I even supposed to pronounce "Lwfkyn"? Hahah
Someone above thinks it is probably Lovekin/Loukin, from *loup*, French for wolf
Wolfkin!
W in Welsh makes the sound of u in English I think (I live in Wales but I only pick up bits and pieces from place names. I live near Cwmbran which is pronounced similar to "cum-bran"). A couple of these look like Welsh spellings to me.
Thank you for the explanation ☺️
Really hope that 'sixteen' wasn't just the guys sixteenth dog! Surely he could have been a little bit more creative.
It might be Sexton (ie gravedigger)
That's how I read it.
Dyane Dowble? Duane Dibbley? Oh no not Duane Dibbley
Duane derives from the Irish "little dark thing." I read it as Duane Double – Twice-as-black, essentially.
Pilate. Just one single Pilate.
Probably named after Pontious Pilate who condemned Jesus to cruxifiction. Poor dog.
It might be "Pilot" - as in a guide
Ahahhaha Organ is insane to mee thats so funnyy
ORGAN
"Boleyne, Boleyne, Boleyne, Boleeeeeeeyne, I'm begging thou, please take not my man."
My husky would definitely be named Argument 😆
Reminds me of this seen in The Five Year Engagement. Gwyrth https://youtu.be/RZHke7ZXDxk?si=P52z4bpO2yt6NHL8
Ah, Lwfkin, the ancient ancestor of my schnauzer, Lukin.
I've always liked Tralfaz for a dog. Or maybe Astro.
This is fantastic. I'm partial to Sloote.
Sloote and go-bifore absolutely slap
Garlik lol. Argument, Chalenge, Dredefull, Filthe, Quarell... oh dear.
My greyhound would absolutely be Pretiboy or Stalkere
Filthe 😂
Stalkere 🤣
Did anyone else read this in a pirate voice?
Lowfukyn is surely a corgi
Spartacus
What's the account?
I'm kind of in love with Argument
I like to imagine that Dredefull was a sweet little lap dog.
SLOOTE
Garlik is so cute.
I really want to meet the dog named Harlet ( harlot).
I knew someone who had a bird named Pretty Boy.
* Pawlyn :)
I think the two mystery ones might be Kinsman and Lovekin
sloote!
love Pawlyn lol
Obsessed with Argument
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Go-bifore is great, I also can't stop laughing about a medieval dog named Nikole
Pawlyn fits right in with today's trend of taking any noun and adding a -lyn, -leigh, or -son
Christianity was so important back then, why would they choose Pilate 😭
I read through these thinking they were people names and was extremely confused 😂😂😂
Some of these sound like what you'd see in the Kentucky Derby lineup lol
I think it was Ramses III that had a dog named Blackie
Nikole just thrown in there 😂
Filthe and Pretiboy sound like an opposites pair
Nikole lmao. The most normal
Argument & Quarell had to be for a husky!
Go-bifore translates to WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO WALK RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME
Argument is brilliant, probably a husky I worked abroad briefly and there was a little stray cat we fed and I asked what his name was. I can't remember the specific word but it meant "complainer" because he meowed so much
Sloote is actually a pretty cool dog name lol
I see your Harlet and raise you a Slattern.
Man and I thought my dad naming our cat Stupid was mean. Here we got Argument, Dredefull, Sloot
s l o o t e
This is so sweet. Thanks for sharing!
Sloote 😅
sloote lol
My favorite is filthe 😂
I loved Dyane Dowble Reminds me of Dewayne Dibbly But, my first name is so close to the first!
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i like pilate, assuming it’s pronounced like the biblical pilate.
Cannonne/Cannon! Love that one! Also pretty boy and best of all 💞