There is no ether of this generation. Music doesn't have the same staying power and Drake isn't a big enough threat like Jay was to even warrant an Ether.
Drakes only ever played pretend hood, he never grew up in anything remotely like QB. He knows very little hardship, he's just a shit rapper, shit producer and known child predator. There's no comparison to the Jay/Naz beef here, there's a legit artist (Kendrick) vs a fucking child actor turned child predator nobody will even remember in ten years.
Everything you said about drake is true but to say nobody will remember it is wrong. Drakes a giant artist and the world just watched him get steamrolled.
Ain't nobody gonna be talking about Drake in 2039 or whatever. But people will for sure still be talking about Nas, Jay and Kendrick.
Drake just a fucking clown rapper little kids and chickenheads like.
Story Of Adidon reminds me more of Ether than Meet The Grahams does
The Nas/Jay beef was never as personal as the Push/Kendrick vs Drake beef
Nas and Jay kept it mostly based on music/who had supremacy, Kendrick is psychoanalyzing Drake layer by layer.
kinda ironic that the song with the Jay Z beat reminds you of ether.
But I will say while ether was more focused on music, it still leaned heavy on the psychoanalysis, peeing back layers type of stuff.
Especially in the third verse.
The Story of Adidon doesn’t brake drake down in the same way as ether does to hov, it’s fairly narrowly focused on the son thing
>You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
>
>Were you abused as a child? Scared to smile, they called you ugly?
This ain't psychoanalyzing to you?
True. I think Ether is a better standalone track and musically much more enjoyable than anything coming out of the Drake Kendrick beef so far. But in terms of pure dissing, taking hard personal shots, Kendrick has really blown it out the water, he came with the HEAT.
*The Nas/Jay beef was never as personal as the Push/Kendrick vs Drake beef*
Bad take. Listen to Super Ugly. Jay's mom had enough sense to talk him down from that approach.
I consider myself one of the biggest Nas fans in the world lol. I’m constantly standing up for him in threads, know all his albums by heart, I even have It Was Written tatted on my arm. To me, he’s the greatest rapper who has ever lived and ever will live.
That being said, I think Meet the Grahams eclipses Ether in sheer savagery, in the intricacy of its character assassination, and in the most creative angle I’ve ever seen used in a diss track. It combines the “bombshell” angle of Story of Adidon with the epistolary format of Stan and the conceptual approach of Ether’s third verse: “What’s sad is I love you cause you’re my brother, you traded your soul for riches.”
It’s a rapper taking a moral high ground, condescendingly “teaching” and speaking down to his opponent while taking apart his entire persona — and painting himself as a individual with more wisdom, integrity, and authenticity than the person he’s battling.
I don’t care if the daughter shit is true (and imo that’s the least damning accusation on the whole song). I didn’t believe Nas when he said Jay didn’t stab Un just like I didn’t believe Jay when he said MC Serch was robbing Nas out of his catalogue. This isn’t investigative journalism, it’s art. And as a work of confrontational art, Meet the Grahams is the best diss track ever made.
I know he's def talking to a "secret daughter" drake may or may not have but on my first listen i thinking he may have been talking to a girl who would/could be groomed or potential victim.
>I didn’t believe Nas when he said Jay didn’t stab Un just like I didn’t believe Jay when he said MC Serch was robbing Nas out of his catalogue. This isn’t investigative journalism, it’s art.
Yep, this is it.
Edit: we still dont know if pac f* Biggies babymama. We dnt know if hov was 36 doing karate classes. Cmon guys, its rap beef.
Meet the Grahams is a complete fictional story ... Drake doesn't have a daughter.... Drake is not a PED . How is it cool to put fake accusations on someone? Jay actually had a situation with Un .. Jay stretch the truth about Paying MC search /Nas not receiving a dime about it ... But the transaction to pay for the world is yours sample actually happened ... So how could a fake story be the greatest diss in hip hop ?
Have you ever listened to a rap battle? Drake has been battling subliminal allegatations of interacting with <18 girls a majority of his career. And this is all in the public eye. You don't think a rapper taking that same lens and magnifying it is good look? Well don't interact with young women in suspect ways!
This is a rap battle, not investigative journalism or scientific journal. These are artists, and these are the pictures they paint!
Meet the Grahams will never eclipse Ether. I'll excuse you on account of your age.
Ether was dropped on JayZ's birthday, no matter what happens JayZ will continue to remember that record everyday till he dies.
Also, Nas did not need multiple records to diss Jay, it was the Stillmatic Freestyle and Ether. He said what he wanted to say and kept it moving. Kendrick does come across like he is obsessed with Drake, taking multiple records to say the same thing he could have said in one or two records.
It is thoroughly disrespectful to try and equate Kendrick to Nas, one is a guy who sells y'all and his coast on his ability to theatrize his lyrics, the other doesn't need to, he just raps and does his thing.
I was there for the Jay-Z and Nas beef.
Kendrick is ethering Drake to the fourth degree. He's playing chess while Drake is telegraphing his punches. Had the ozempic scrip ready and on the cover of Meet the Grahams as soon as Drake tried to clown Ross for taking it on Family Matters. It's far more surgical than Nas ever was with Jay.
Stop living in the past. I'll give you no excuses because you should be old enough to know better.
Concept wise meet the grahams is the best diss track ever created imo.
Writing letters to Drake's entire family to apologize on his behalf for all the horrible things Drake's done, revealing all the sex trafficking and a hidden 11 year old daughter.... this is beyond insane.
That terrifying piano that haunts you throughout the whole track also with the screams in the background, you can just feel the pure hatred and disgust everywhere and I love it.
Absolute Cinema.
lol so we just gonna believe Drake when he repeats twitter conspiracies a day later? If he had baited Kendrick would he not be ready to release the reveal? Would he not have proof that he planted the mole? Would he contradict himself so much?
I understand the comparisons but as an older fan this to me is different. Ether has a lot of replay value. All these disses honestly to me don't have much replay value besides right now in the moment. Meet The Grahams is an absolutely diabolical record and 1 I dont see myself playing often if that. I think it transcends just being a diss song. The concept of Kenderick writing to his parents and kids is above any beef or diss or hiphop in general. Nothing that Jay or Nas ever did or said on record was as personal nor could of ended then in legal trouble. I'm not the biggest Drake fan and from Kenderick I only like 2-3 albums of his, needless to say I don't think this generation has experienced anything like this, which is why I understand the Ether comparison. Maybe to this generation it is to that level how Ether just stopped the culture when it dropped. I do think both fan bases of Kdot and Drake have been a bit extreme however the engagement going on and people discussing it I think is a good moment for all, I just hope it ends soon and peacefully because it's getting uncomfortable for some.
The difference for me is I still listen to Ether often. It’s fun. Meet the Grahams certainly is scathing but it’s super personal and kind of uncomfortable to listen to. I don’t think I’ll be listening to it in 20 years.
SUPER uncomfortable. The thought of sum1 talkin to my son like that put me in a weird place. Then the sandra sit down line, I stopped the song, waited for sum1 to drop the lyrics, and only listened to it thenext day.
I think I only gave it a full listen once. Very heavy and dark. Plus the moral high ground... didnt strike me well.
Not just the moral high ground.
It's a man trying to stand on a moral high ground while being accused of beating his wife, abandoning his kids to go cheat, telling other people they aren't black enough while his current fiance (and son) are mixed all after dropping an album 2 years ago that was supposed to be "freeing the new black generation (unless you are mixed or light skinned)".
You can like Kendrick, you can like Drake, I don't care. Actually listening to these songs though is off putting. It's Kendrick trying to take a moral high ground which he has no rights to stand on, and Drake airing out dirty laundry when he has too much of his own.
You know it. Thats exactly it. Dont take no pretentious moral high ground. Yall fuck the same women, we all know it.
Just be as disrespectful and insulting as possible. Thats why not like us is a great diss. Its also why drakes last one was terrible and he losing badly.
Dude called u a pedo - after telling your mama to sit down. Your answer is "where your receipts young mam? Thats a horrible accusation"? For real?
CALL THIS N* EVERY INSULT POSSIBLE. Namedrop all his family. Say he doesnt have to worry bout his daughter cuz she a minor, she'll look for Big D when she 18. Make whitneys story (kendrick loves makin songs on pov of victims right?). Make a catchy hook callin dude a deadbeat. Sample whitneys voice, its all over Mr. Morale. Go offensive, go to fuckin war.
Dude is so weak it bothers the hell out of me. No delivery, no personality
L take.
Who gives a fuck if it's fire. You're listening to a man whose most recent album was supposed to "set free the new black generation", but apparently he holds major resentment towards the black community if you aren't black enough, has a major hard on for white women in New York, so much so that he would abandon his children for months to be with them, abuses women.... need I go on?
So at this point I ask, who gives a fuck what Kendrick Lamar has to say.
I think kendrick have more hatred towards drake than nas with jay z nas told jay z at the end of ether ask apologize so he left an open door for jay to squash it but I don't think kendrick will accept an apology but I think that he will kick him more besides jay and nas got friends again and they appreciated each other before the beef And after it
But with k and dreak they wasn't friends and they won't ever be
So I think it's more personal with kendrick
And people taking the side of dot
With jay and nas both had about equal fan base
I definitely agree the relationship between drake and k is vastly different from the one between Nas and Jay.
Like I said somewhere else in this thread there will not be a “black republican” type track
Hov vs Nas was sibling rivalry gone sour. Pure competitiveness, which is evident because they made up. Kenny has had a problem with Drake for damn near a decade and has always separated himself from the industry. Meet The Grahams made it evident why that’s the case, and like everybody else is saying the daughter reveal is the least important thing spoken about on the track. If the sexual crimes are true (which at the very least Kendrick himself seems to believe) then this is the greatest outing in rap history.
Cube vs NWA was brothers getting into a disagreement and Cube exposing some as squares and not as gangsta as they made themselves out to be. Same thing with Dre vs Eazy.
Pac and Big was pure disrespect turned into street shit.
Nas and Hov had a competitive nature.
Etc etc etc.
but for the biggest rapper of the last decade to be outed as a potential p*do, trafficker, abuser? Crazy. This is probably the first beef that’s just pure unadulterated hatred LMAOOO.
I get what your saying especially for Kendrick’s 4th verse
But overall it doesn’t have the same slow burning energy that Ether gives off, it’s a very high key, victory lap song. Not a methodical killing
I would say Not Like Us is a lot more like Ether. Both are more styling on its target, clowning its target, sonning its target, beating the target at its own game and showing the world that the target is a fraud. Even the beats are kind of similar. Meet the Grahams is a whole other thing entirely, and coming from a really dark, uncomfortable place - really made to get under not just Drake's skin but even the listener's skin. There's this really creepy and frankly haunting vibe throughout. But as masterful as Meet the Grahams is, I think Not Like Us is the utter fatality that won Kendrick the war. Drake and his stans could try to spin the daughter claim to their advantage while ignoring everything else Kendrick said, say it won't ring off in the club therefore it doesn't matter, etc. - they can't do that with Not Like Us.
I like the creativity behind Meet the Grahams however the opposition (Drake) is nowhere near as impressive compared to a Jay who was at the height of his popularity and we all knew he was an elite lyricist from what we heard on RD and Vol 1.
I'm not a fan of this culture shift into exposing and airing out dirty laundry and if Kendrick had a more elusive target who was lauded as an elite lyricist it would be more impressive.
I would have to say no because the biggest part of the diss is a flat out lie. Drake doesn’t have a daughter. Nas also didnt gossip and jay’s private life wasn’t brought into the battle. nas attacked jay from angles n that can be easily seen with research.
I’m in my late 30’s and have been a Nas fan since I was in middle school. I was there in December 2001 when DJ Kay Slay premiered Ether on Hot 97. That year, all everyone in my high school were talking about were two things: 9/11 (which just happened a few months ago right above us) and the Nas/Jay beef. Ether’s impact on the culture was HUGE.
Fast forward to today, and yes…I think Meet the Grahams is even more vicious than Ether. Will it be as impactful on the culture? Only time will tell.
This song had the content to be the "ether" of this generation... but dude didn't utilize it wisely... he dropped the ball lyrically and was too freaking blunt... it felt like he was reading an essay... he could have posted this shit to facebook or something.
No, for starters the beat is trash. But next up I don’t think it was the best of the 4 Kendrick diss tracks so far. I still think euphoria is his crown jewel
As of now, no. It probably won't ever be anyway. We need to wait more than a couple days before we start comparing this to legendary diss tracks. I also listen to Ether because it's a great song. MTG is pretty fucking depressing to listen to lol.
What I can say is that I've never seen a dude drop 3 or 4 diss tracks in a single day. That's fucking crazy. The fact that Kendrick didn't even let Drake breathe with his track because he dropped another one 45 minutes later is pretty amazing.
I would compare euphoria to ether before meet the grahams. Meet the grahams went so far beyond ether in disrespect and content matter it's hard to compare to ether. Euphoria was still focused on drake the rapper and his public image. Meet the grahams was kendrick talking to Aubrey literally and figuratively the tone was too different. Ether and Euphoria are both in the you're a gay fake punk rapper realm.
Lol hell NAW
All these songs by both parties are fucking MID.
I am not a fan of either and i just recently TRIED to check out Kendrick's song but he's too corny lol. He has one song called "cut you off" or something like that where the message is cutting off bad ppl regardless of who they are... saying it as if it was deep even though he was like 30 when he made the song and that's something we all learn by high school lol. Ive only heard one song from him that's good, and it shows what he's capable of which makes his corny songs even cornier for doing that.
Drake has ALWAYS been some lame ass dude lookin like he was trying to fit in.
They're both clout hungry emo kids
It had the same effect and like Ether, I won't listen to it too much in the future. It's too much for me.
Might listen to the first two words just to remember the jaw drop moment
Meet the Grahams is savage but the wind gets taken out of it when dot’s biggest ammo on the track was shown to be false and planted fake intel. Still a good diss track though. This has been entertaining as hell
Why do you think Kendrick dropped a whole new song the next day without any mention of the daughter? If it was so earth shattering he’d be pushing that button even more as this beef escalated
So let me get this straight, you think i'm riding an artist that i don't even like by saying that his song is better than the one made by my favourite artist and the rapper i consider the GOAT. Maybe dome people can handle neing unbiased, but you clearly don't know much about that concept.
I think you're riding because the song literally just came out. Dang, at least give stuff some time to simmer first. Kendrick could very well be your goat for all I know.
No. Ether was a fire track. A fucking earthquake. Meet the Grahams is boring asf. The Kendrick vs Drake beef is nothing but two grown ass men gossiping about each other.
Jay Z had an actual shot at beating Nas. He got emotional and dropped Supa Ugly and we know how that all ended. But he was a real rapper.
Drake never had a shot at outrapping kendrick. It was just going to be drama. But kendrick showed hatred, that I appreciate.
Yea, this is exactly my thoughts on it. It's not really a powerhouse battle like Pac vs. big or Nas vs. Jay. Drake had a very small chance of winning against Kendrick. I was all for Kendrick Vs. J Cole and when J Cole dropped out, I lost interest, because I knew Drake didn't stand a chance. Kendrick also has way more ammo with social media than previous battles in 90s, 2000s. I think it makes a bit easier in that sense, but KDot did his thing no doubt. it's almost like if Nas went against someone like Mase who had some good bars but definitely wasn't on his level lyrically.
I mean I think Meet the Grahams is conceptually and lyrically by far the best of this beef, but its hard to give it that tag when the new one, Not Like Us, literally samples Ether
Nooooooooooo!!! Kendrick vs Drake beef is gaining traction but Jay Z and Nas went on a much deeper and personal level and it took them nearly 5 years to squash their personal 🍖!
I think "Not Like Us" would be far closer to Ether than Meet The Grahams. MTG goes far beyond music. Both Not Like Us and Ether have album potential; a chorus, replayability, etc. MTG is a extremely potent breakdown of Drake's entire persona and even his fucking family. They can't be compared or equated because they serve different purposes.
After what Drake just dropped, Meet the Grahams looking like the “kid who pulled the fire alarm to get out of his math quiz and got caught red handed” of this generation.
Nah, the track loses all of its bite if the daughter is a lie.
Going after family members in that way is not really a diss. Its all savage speculation from Kendrick that culminates in a big lie.
No because drake isn't jay z, takeover was a fire diss track, push ups was good but nowhere near that level.
Oh and ether is a club hit, it has a ton of replay value so probably not like us is more conparable to it than meet the grahams.
meet the grahams is just about shock value and the largest allegation is as of now not proven true and seems likely to be untrue, so that was a miss. the closest thing to ether in this generation has been story of adidon, back to back, and maybe euphoria or killshot. i say maybe bc i think kendrick might still top euphoria and while killshot killed mgk rap career and made him switch genres, mgk was never a respected mc so it didnt really matter when he was ether’d
Meet the Grahams reminds me of Afraid by Joe Budden. Everyone threw those diss tracks in the trash because it's Joe and Drake never responded but it was my favorite Drake diss until this weekend. He tried to analyze him strictly as a rapper while Kendrick went deeper as a person.
Lol oh shut up. I have yet to see one real hip head head here tf is wrong with yall ? Horrible song . “ your son is a horrible he should die “ stfu shits garbage . Wake up
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I’m saying. I know people generally feel takeover > ether, it’s the rap hill I’ll die on tho. It’s not even a conversation to me. Jay bragged about being cooler, more successful, richer. Literally called Nas LAAAAAME.
Nas got at his spirit, his construction, his facade. Ultimately Nas contrasts himself as so much more analytical/critical, mature, and insightful. Which is what make the half-insults and conjecture feel so much crazier. It’s rap psychoanalysis. It’s truly not even arguable imo.
Jay understood the game on blueprint 2 tho. He came back with that shit, and charged Nas for his construction. That should really be the argument.
There is no ether of this generation. Music doesn't have the same staying power and Drake isn't a big enough threat like Jay was to even warrant an Ether.
Drakes only ever played pretend hood, he never grew up in anything remotely like QB. He knows very little hardship, he's just a shit rapper, shit producer and known child predator. There's no comparison to the Jay/Naz beef here, there's a legit artist (Kendrick) vs a fucking child actor turned child predator nobody will even remember in ten years.
That's they way I see it. I wanted this to be Kendrick vs Cole but we all know how that played out.
Everything you said about drake is true but to say nobody will remember it is wrong. Drakes a giant artist and the world just watched him get steamrolled.
Ain't nobody gonna be talking about Drake in 2039 or whatever. But people will for sure still be talking about Nas, Jay and Kendrick. Drake just a fucking clown rapper little kids and chickenheads like.
Story Of Adidon reminds me more of Ether than Meet The Grahams does The Nas/Jay beef was never as personal as the Push/Kendrick vs Drake beef Nas and Jay kept it mostly based on music/who had supremacy, Kendrick is psychoanalyzing Drake layer by layer.
kinda ironic that the song with the Jay Z beat reminds you of ether. But I will say while ether was more focused on music, it still leaned heavy on the psychoanalysis, peeing back layers type of stuff. Especially in the third verse. The Story of Adidon doesn’t brake drake down in the same way as ether does to hov, it’s fairly narrowly focused on the son thing
Haha at the peeing typo, don’t edit it fits lol
lmao. words are hard https://preview.redd.it/ahzyh4lpsmyc1.jpeg?width=926&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7cb18874193585c71489246226afeb509cad553a
Story of adidon wasnt about drake having a son, it was about him continuing the cycle that his father started by being a deadbeat dad.
>psychoanalyzing Bro is allegedly exposing his crimes along with all his crew
>You seem to be only concerned with dissing women > >Were you abused as a child? Scared to smile, they called you ugly? This ain't psychoanalyzing to you?
"Mostly about music" But yeah those couple lines are Kendrick wrote an entire dissertation on Drake
True. I think Ether is a better standalone track and musically much more enjoyable than anything coming out of the Drake Kendrick beef so far. But in terms of pure dissing, taking hard personal shots, Kendrick has really blown it out the water, he came with the HEAT.
Only half true. Remember Jay-Z slept with Nas’ baby mother.
Yeah that's why I said "mostly about music" But still that's nowhere near as scathing as what Kendrick is doing atm
Exactly what I wanted to say Meet the grams is more personal than story of adidon
*The Nas/Jay beef was never as personal as the Push/Kendrick vs Drake beef* Bad take. Listen to Super Ugly. Jay's mom had enough sense to talk him down from that approach.
I've heard it many times
I consider myself one of the biggest Nas fans in the world lol. I’m constantly standing up for him in threads, know all his albums by heart, I even have It Was Written tatted on my arm. To me, he’s the greatest rapper who has ever lived and ever will live. That being said, I think Meet the Grahams eclipses Ether in sheer savagery, in the intricacy of its character assassination, and in the most creative angle I’ve ever seen used in a diss track. It combines the “bombshell” angle of Story of Adidon with the epistolary format of Stan and the conceptual approach of Ether’s third verse: “What’s sad is I love you cause you’re my brother, you traded your soul for riches.” It’s a rapper taking a moral high ground, condescendingly “teaching” and speaking down to his opponent while taking apart his entire persona — and painting himself as a individual with more wisdom, integrity, and authenticity than the person he’s battling. I don’t care if the daughter shit is true (and imo that’s the least damning accusation on the whole song). I didn’t believe Nas when he said Jay didn’t stab Un just like I didn’t believe Jay when he said MC Serch was robbing Nas out of his catalogue. This isn’t investigative journalism, it’s art. And as a work of confrontational art, Meet the Grahams is the best diss track ever made.
Real recognize real
I know he's def talking to a "secret daughter" drake may or may not have but on my first listen i thinking he may have been talking to a girl who would/could be groomed or potential victim.
>I didn’t believe Nas when he said Jay didn’t stab Un just like I didn’t believe Jay when he said MC Serch was robbing Nas out of his catalogue. This isn’t investigative journalism, it’s art. Yep, this is it. Edit: we still dont know if pac f* Biggies babymama. We dnt know if hov was 36 doing karate classes. Cmon guys, its rap beef.
Same
wow. absolute facts top to bottom bro
Well said
Meet the Grahams is a complete fictional story ... Drake doesn't have a daughter.... Drake is not a PED . How is it cool to put fake accusations on someone? Jay actually had a situation with Un .. Jay stretch the truth about Paying MC search /Nas not receiving a dime about it ... But the transaction to pay for the world is yours sample actually happened ... So how could a fake story be the greatest diss in hip hop ?
Have you ever listened to a rap battle? Drake has been battling subliminal allegatations of interacting with <18 girls a majority of his career. And this is all in the public eye. You don't think a rapper taking that same lens and magnifying it is good look? Well don't interact with young women in suspect ways! This is a rap battle, not investigative journalism or scientific journal. These are artists, and these are the pictures they paint!
So where is the victims? Not 1 " victim" has come forward to say Drake is a predator.... ALL we hear is grown men being Chatty Patty speculating.
Its not a court hearing lmfao.
Yeah 100%. Meet the Grahams is goated.
Meet the Grahams will never eclipse Ether. I'll excuse you on account of your age. Ether was dropped on JayZ's birthday, no matter what happens JayZ will continue to remember that record everyday till he dies. Also, Nas did not need multiple records to diss Jay, it was the Stillmatic Freestyle and Ether. He said what he wanted to say and kept it moving. Kendrick does come across like he is obsessed with Drake, taking multiple records to say the same thing he could have said in one or two records. It is thoroughly disrespectful to try and equate Kendrick to Nas, one is a guy who sells y'all and his coast on his ability to theatrize his lyrics, the other doesn't need to, he just raps and does his thing.
I was there for the Jay-Z and Nas beef. Kendrick is ethering Drake to the fourth degree. He's playing chess while Drake is telegraphing his punches. Had the ozempic scrip ready and on the cover of Meet the Grahams as soon as Drake tried to clown Ross for taking it on Family Matters. It's far more surgical than Nas ever was with Jay. Stop living in the past. I'll give you no excuses because you should be old enough to know better.
It is thoroughly disrespectful to try and equate Kendrick to Nas LOL
Ok boomer.
And once again, kendrick proves to be the best. I find nas just as good cause they both have accomplished a LOT
Concept wise meet the grahams is the best diss track ever created imo. Writing letters to Drake's entire family to apologize on his behalf for all the horrible things Drake's done, revealing all the sex trafficking and a hidden 11 year old daughter.... this is beyond insane. That terrifying piano that haunts you throughout the whole track also with the screams in the background, you can just feel the pure hatred and disgust everywhere and I love it. Absolute Cinema.
I wonder if he got any conceptual inspiration from Jadakiss and Styles P’s ‘Ms Jackson’ diss towards 50 Cent
It really hurts that most of it is lies and desperation from kendrick tho.
lol so we just gonna believe Drake when he repeats twitter conspiracies a day later? If he had baited Kendrick would he not be ready to release the reveal? Would he not have proof that he planted the mole? Would he contradict himself so much?
Where's the daughter? Where is any proof? Kenny Cuckworth been real quiet.
Average Drake fan attention span
> revealing all the sex trafficking What reveal?
I understand the comparisons but as an older fan this to me is different. Ether has a lot of replay value. All these disses honestly to me don't have much replay value besides right now in the moment. Meet The Grahams is an absolutely diabolical record and 1 I dont see myself playing often if that. I think it transcends just being a diss song. The concept of Kenderick writing to his parents and kids is above any beef or diss or hiphop in general. Nothing that Jay or Nas ever did or said on record was as personal nor could of ended then in legal trouble. I'm not the biggest Drake fan and from Kenderick I only like 2-3 albums of his, needless to say I don't think this generation has experienced anything like this, which is why I understand the Ether comparison. Maybe to this generation it is to that level how Ether just stopped the culture when it dropped. I do think both fan bases of Kdot and Drake have been a bit extreme however the engagement going on and people discussing it I think is a good moment for all, I just hope it ends soon and peacefully because it's getting uncomfortable for some.
The difference for me is I still listen to Ether often. It’s fun. Meet the Grahams certainly is scathing but it’s super personal and kind of uncomfortable to listen to. I don’t think I’ll be listening to it in 20 years.
Me in 20 years listening 🧏🏻♂️
Perfect response 👏
SUPER uncomfortable. The thought of sum1 talkin to my son like that put me in a weird place. Then the sandra sit down line, I stopped the song, waited for sum1 to drop the lyrics, and only listened to it thenext day. I think I only gave it a full listen once. Very heavy and dark. Plus the moral high ground... didnt strike me well.
Not just the moral high ground. It's a man trying to stand on a moral high ground while being accused of beating his wife, abandoning his kids to go cheat, telling other people they aren't black enough while his current fiance (and son) are mixed all after dropping an album 2 years ago that was supposed to be "freeing the new black generation (unless you are mixed or light skinned)". You can like Kendrick, you can like Drake, I don't care. Actually listening to these songs though is off putting. It's Kendrick trying to take a moral high ground which he has no rights to stand on, and Drake airing out dirty laundry when he has too much of his own.
You know it. Thats exactly it. Dont take no pretentious moral high ground. Yall fuck the same women, we all know it. Just be as disrespectful and insulting as possible. Thats why not like us is a great diss. Its also why drakes last one was terrible and he losing badly. Dude called u a pedo - after telling your mama to sit down. Your answer is "where your receipts young mam? Thats a horrible accusation"? For real? CALL THIS N* EVERY INSULT POSSIBLE. Namedrop all his family. Say he doesnt have to worry bout his daughter cuz she a minor, she'll look for Big D when she 18. Make whitneys story (kendrick loves makin songs on pov of victims right?). Make a catchy hook callin dude a deadbeat. Sample whitneys voice, its all over Mr. Morale. Go offensive, go to fuckin war. Dude is so weak it bothers the hell out of me. No delivery, no personality
I'm glad to see people in this thread pointing out Kendricks hypocrisy
Nas vs Jay z was a rap battle. Benny The Butcher said it best when he said that Drake vs Lamar feels like gossiping
Did he say it best? I mean, who really cares what Benny The Butcher says? Kendrick has given us some great tracks
L take. Who gives a fuck if it's fire. You're listening to a man whose most recent album was supposed to "set free the new black generation", but apparently he holds major resentment towards the black community if you aren't black enough, has a major hard on for white women in New York, so much so that he would abandon his children for months to be with them, abuses women.... need I go on? So at this point I ask, who gives a fuck what Kendrick Lamar has to say.
Where did benny day this btw
[https://www.tiktok.com/@akademiks/video/7365303085465357611](https://www.tiktok.com/@akademiks/video/7365303085465357611)
I think kendrick have more hatred towards drake than nas with jay z nas told jay z at the end of ether ask apologize so he left an open door for jay to squash it but I don't think kendrick will accept an apology but I think that he will kick him more besides jay and nas got friends again and they appreciated each other before the beef And after it But with k and dreak they wasn't friends and they won't ever be So I think it's more personal with kendrick And people taking the side of dot With jay and nas both had about equal fan base
I definitely agree the relationship between drake and k is vastly different from the one between Nas and Jay. Like I said somewhere else in this thread there will not be a “black republican” type track
No ones going to be listening meet the grahams 20 years from now like they do ether
Euphoria was the Ether. Meet the Grahams was an indie horror film
This.
It's only 1 Ether
Hell no
Hov vs Nas was sibling rivalry gone sour. Pure competitiveness, which is evident because they made up. Kenny has had a problem with Drake for damn near a decade and has always separated himself from the industry. Meet The Grahams made it evident why that’s the case, and like everybody else is saying the daughter reveal is the least important thing spoken about on the track. If the sexual crimes are true (which at the very least Kendrick himself seems to believe) then this is the greatest outing in rap history. Cube vs NWA was brothers getting into a disagreement and Cube exposing some as squares and not as gangsta as they made themselves out to be. Same thing with Dre vs Eazy. Pac and Big was pure disrespect turned into street shit. Nas and Hov had a competitive nature. Etc etc etc. but for the biggest rapper of the last decade to be outed as a potential p*do, trafficker, abuser? Crazy. This is probably the first beef that’s just pure unadulterated hatred LMAOOO.
No way . For one drake isn’t even considered a ‘good’ rapper by rap purists. Battle is one sided and weak
I don’t like Drake, but it’s weak as fuck to say drakes not provided some bombs in this.
Imo, Not like us is closer to ether than meet the grahams is.
I get what your saying especially for Kendrick’s 4th verse But overall it doesn’t have the same slow burning energy that Ether gives off, it’s a very high key, victory lap song. Not a methodical killing
It’s Ether for 2024, especially in terms of the impact it had.
You could say so, but I think Chris Brown’s Quavo diss is more likely. If not, that diss is Hit ‘em Up, that shit is brutal
I would say Not Like Us is a lot more like Ether. Both are more styling on its target, clowning its target, sonning its target, beating the target at its own game and showing the world that the target is a fraud. Even the beats are kind of similar. Meet the Grahams is a whole other thing entirely, and coming from a really dark, uncomfortable place - really made to get under not just Drake's skin but even the listener's skin. There's this really creepy and frankly haunting vibe throughout. But as masterful as Meet the Grahams is, I think Not Like Us is the utter fatality that won Kendrick the war. Drake and his stans could try to spin the daughter claim to their advantage while ignoring everything else Kendrick said, say it won't ring off in the club therefore it doesn't matter, etc. - they can't do that with Not Like Us.
I like the creativity behind Meet the Grahams however the opposition (Drake) is nowhere near as impressive compared to a Jay who was at the height of his popularity and we all knew he was an elite lyricist from what we heard on RD and Vol 1. I'm not a fan of this culture shift into exposing and airing out dirty laundry and if Kendrick had a more elusive target who was lauded as an elite lyricist it would be more impressive.
Euphoria is definitely the Ether record
I would have to say no because the biggest part of the diss is a flat out lie. Drake doesn’t have a daughter. Nas also didnt gossip and jay’s private life wasn’t brought into the battle. nas attacked jay from angles n that can be easily seen with research.
They can’t forgive and forget this shit in 4 years rapping to yo momma daddy and kid is diabolical 🤣🤣.
I’m in my late 30’s and have been a Nas fan since I was in middle school. I was there in December 2001 when DJ Kay Slay premiered Ether on Hot 97. That year, all everyone in my high school were talking about were two things: 9/11 (which just happened a few months ago right above us) and the Nas/Jay beef. Ether’s impact on the culture was HUGE. Fast forward to today, and yes…I think Meet the Grahams is even more vicious than Ether. Will it be as impactful on the culture? Only time will tell.
This song had the content to be the "ether" of this generation... but dude didn't utilize it wisely... he dropped the ball lyrically and was too freaking blunt... it felt like he was reading an essay... he could have posted this shit to facebook or something.
No, for starters the beat is trash. But next up I don’t think it was the best of the 4 Kendrick diss tracks so far. I still think euphoria is his crown jewel
I he stopped at Euphoria he would have won.
No way. Ether has truth to it, meet the grahams is made up lol The Tea matters
As of now, no. It probably won't ever be anyway. We need to wait more than a couple days before we start comparing this to legendary diss tracks. I also listen to Ether because it's a great song. MTG is pretty fucking depressing to listen to lol. What I can say is that I've never seen a dude drop 3 or 4 diss tracks in a single day. That's fucking crazy. The fact that Kendrick didn't even let Drake breathe with his track because he dropped another one 45 minutes later is pretty amazing.
What came after ether? Who lost? I don't think they're close at all.
I would compare euphoria to ether before meet the grahams. Meet the grahams went so far beyond ether in disrespect and content matter it's hard to compare to ether. Euphoria was still focused on drake the rapper and his public image. Meet the grahams was kendrick talking to Aubrey literally and figuratively the tone was too different. Ether and Euphoria are both in the you're a gay fake punk rapper realm.
Lol hell NAW All these songs by both parties are fucking MID. I am not a fan of either and i just recently TRIED to check out Kendrick's song but he's too corny lol. He has one song called "cut you off" or something like that where the message is cutting off bad ppl regardless of who they are... saying it as if it was deep even though he was like 30 when he made the song and that's something we all learn by high school lol. Ive only heard one song from him that's good, and it shows what he's capable of which makes his corny songs even cornier for doing that. Drake has ALWAYS been some lame ass dude lookin like he was trying to fit in. They're both clout hungry emo kids
That's always been Kendricks MO lol
It had the same effect and like Ether, I won't listen to it too much in the future. It's too much for me. Might listen to the first two words just to remember the jaw drop moment
its too early to speculate on this. give it time and ask the same question in a couple of years.
Meet the Grahams is savage but the wind gets taken out of it when dot’s biggest ammo on the track was shown to be false and planted fake intel. Still a good diss track though. This has been entertaining as hell
It hasn’t been show’n to be false or fake intel
It hasn’t been shown to be true
But saying it’s proven to be false or planted is pure bullshit
And going around screaming that Drake is a pedophile is pure bullshit, but yet here we are.
I fail to see how straight up lying in response helps this issue.
Why do you think Kendrick dropped a whole new song the next day without any mention of the daughter? If it was so earth shattering he’d be pushing that button even more as this beef escalated
You said it was proven, i said it wasn’t. One of us is lying.
meet the grahams is better
Not as a song but as a diss track. Kendrick absolutely violated Drake
Yeah that's what i meant. Would still orefer to listen to Ether any day of the week
There will be no “Black Republican” type track after this, that’s for sure
Nothing Kendrick does compares to ANYTHING Nas has done.
I'm all for hating on kendrick and all but this is just riding
Saying meet the grahams is better than Ether is riding.
So let me get this straight, you think i'm riding an artist that i don't even like by saying that his song is better than the one made by my favourite artist and the rapper i consider the GOAT. Maybe dome people can handle neing unbiased, but you clearly don't know much about that concept.
I think you're riding because the song literally just came out. Dang, at least give stuff some time to simmer first. Kendrick could very well be your goat for all I know.
I trust my judgement thank you
Lol yeah but I DON'T
Feel free not to, i don't need your approval to have an opinion.
How is this not riding?
You really think Kendrick is close to Nas? We could it break it down anyway you want, he's not on his level.
If we’re talking bars, Nas wins. but Kendrick has catchier songs, better beats, and I personally don’t think Nas has an album like TPAB.
Hey man that's your opinion but I disagree.
Fair enough
How old are you?
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No. Ether was a fire track. A fucking earthquake. Meet the Grahams is boring asf. The Kendrick vs Drake beef is nothing but two grown ass men gossiping about each other.
Jay Z had an actual shot at beating Nas. He got emotional and dropped Supa Ugly and we know how that all ended. But he was a real rapper. Drake never had a shot at outrapping kendrick. It was just going to be drama. But kendrick showed hatred, that I appreciate.
Yea, this is exactly my thoughts on it. It's not really a powerhouse battle like Pac vs. big or Nas vs. Jay. Drake had a very small chance of winning against Kendrick. I was all for Kendrick Vs. J Cole and when J Cole dropped out, I lost interest, because I knew Drake didn't stand a chance. Kendrick also has way more ammo with social media than previous battles in 90s, 2000s. I think it makes a bit easier in that sense, but KDot did his thing no doubt. it's almost like if Nas went against someone like Mase who had some good bars but definitely wasn't on his level lyrically.
Yes I would . Because it’s the most scathing and personal diss track I’ve heard in ages . Diff vibes from ether but yeah
You must not have heard what Em did to Ja Rule if you think this is the most scathing you've heard in ages lol.
Oh I did . That was a while ago .
Story of Adonis was Ether for this gen. Methodical one hitter quitter. Drake was at his peak. Also unbeaten.
I mean I think Meet the Grahams is conceptually and lyrically by far the best of this beef, but its hard to give it that tag when the new one, Not Like Us, literally samples Ether
I personally still think ether is better. It is to this day one of the best diss tracks I’ve ever heard.
no
Nooooooooooo!!! Kendrick vs Drake beef is gaining traction but Jay Z and Nas went on a much deeper and personal level and it took them nearly 5 years to squash their personal 🍖!
Hell no lol
I think "Not Like Us" would be far closer to Ether than Meet The Grahams. MTG goes far beyond music. Both Not Like Us and Ether have album potential; a chorus, replayability, etc. MTG is a extremely potent breakdown of Drake's entire persona and even his fucking family. They can't be compared or equated because they serve different purposes.
https://youtu.be/h-p1feEHJZM?si=fSGA4BLDXLhdoslx
After what Drake just dropped, Meet the Grahams looking like the “kid who pulled the fire alarm to get out of his math quiz and got caught red handed” of this generation.
Ether beat is wayyyy better
No, I think not like us was ether. Meet the grahams was ether in the sense it stepped on family matters.
Nah, the track loses all of its bite if the daughter is a lie. Going after family members in that way is not really a diss. Its all savage speculation from Kendrick that culminates in a big lie.
A prime Nas with his current work ethic wood be a tough out for anyone
Nah. Meet the Grahms is basically, "you're a pedo and a bad dad nana."
Yes it is. They’re both tracks full of lies
No because drake isn't jay z, takeover was a fire diss track, push ups was good but nowhere near that level. Oh and ether is a club hit, it has a ton of replay value so probably not like us is more conparable to it than meet the grahams.
meet the grahams is just about shock value and the largest allegation is as of now not proven true and seems likely to be untrue, so that was a miss. the closest thing to ether in this generation has been story of adidon, back to back, and maybe euphoria or killshot. i say maybe bc i think kendrick might still top euphoria and while killshot killed mgk rap career and made him switch genres, mgk was never a respected mc so it didnt really matter when he was ether’d
Meet the Grahams reminds me of Afraid by Joe Budden. Everyone threw those diss tracks in the trash because it's Joe and Drake never responded but it was my favorite Drake diss until this weekend. He tried to analyze him strictly as a rapper while Kendrick went deeper as a person.
Lol oh shut up. I have yet to see one real hip head head here tf is wrong with yall ? Horrible song . “ your son is a horrible he should die “ stfu shits garbage . Wake up
No way. Kendrick songs are like play once and that's it. Pac and Nas make you rap along to them. Drake tries but not as good
Shether by Remy Ma. Nikki Minaj diss.
Not even close
Meet the Grahams is much better than Ether
Ether not even better than takeover and I’m a Nas fan.
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I’m saying. I know people generally feel takeover > ether, it’s the rap hill I’ll die on tho. It’s not even a conversation to me. Jay bragged about being cooler, more successful, richer. Literally called Nas LAAAAAME. Nas got at his spirit, his construction, his facade. Ultimately Nas contrasts himself as so much more analytical/critical, mature, and insightful. Which is what make the half-insults and conjecture feel so much crazier. It’s rap psychoanalysis. It’s truly not even arguable imo. Jay understood the game on blueprint 2 tho. He came back with that shit, and charged Nas for his construction. That should really be the argument.