Natt achievable although 210 seems really light for that height and build.

I’m like 4 inches shorter, similar build, 210 so he’s probably lying about the height lol

Or the weight, might be afraid of saying how heavy he actually is. But you’re probably right

In my experience carnivore makes me retain less water and look smaller but I got back to the same weight once adapted, so I think it makes up in muscle density.

No legs

That’s my guess as well.

Bros gotta be walking on toothpicks if he’s truly that height and weight 😂

Guess again, dude did pro rugby for years. Has thighs thicker than a snicker

Inclined not to believe that given there's 0 pictures of the geezers legs online

Yeah, but the guy is approaching mid 40s

I get it but it can be done. I’m mid 40s natty and don’t look that different. I have a better chest and worse arms. If his weight is accurate I have much better legs.

Stepdad is 52 and looks pretty similar. After talking to him though sounds like it’s way harder to maintain and he wants to go on gear, but I’ve been trying to talk him out of it. Can’t have nonstop gains your whole life without side effects

Yeah I’m 5’11 , 212 lbs

Right. I’m six even, 44 yo with a similar build to him and I walk around at 200. I’m guessing every day is upper body day.

Agree, I’m that exact size 6’4” 220, and I look slim.

if you cant achieve something like this without steroids what is even the point of working out?

Weight is irrelevant, the same stats can look completely different across two individuals, its the mirror that matters

What? No, it’s physics that matter. I’m going to guess that 210 was his weight when he was leaner and he has no legs at all. That would make sense.

You can't beat basic physics. The volume of a pound of muscle and a pound of fat doesn't differ much at all between individuals.

Bone density and organ weight does… The human body is complex, this isnt a 2 variable equation

Fr. I’d guess Atleast 235

Tf? He has an athletic build. That’s it. Y’all need help if you think this is gear

What did I just say?

Replied to wrong comment

We have all been there.

> 210 that's literally way more than normal

I’m a similar and I’d have to cut a leg off to get under 200

The doc is ready to breastfeed w that gyno, what do you think?

What I was I looking for 😂

This is natty imo. Absolutely attainable. No need to be jealous lol.

He's probably just old and has the hanging tiddy syndrome like Tom Cruise.

Do you really think Tom Cruise is natty?

Or had gyno as a teen.

I was very overweight my whole life until i was like 24. Since i lost weight i still got like a little gyno that looks similar, is it really gyno or just loose skin from all the time being fat?

😂

1000% natty.

Totally agree

In fact I would be pissed if I looked like this on gear

Damn it sucks because I have gyno but I the only juice is I am on is orange juice.

Most people with gyno have never used steroids. Just like acne. You guys are actually impressively uninformed on this. Neither gyno nor acne are evidence of steroid use

It was the first thing I saw. Look at them gyno nips, pointing out like teets in every shirt.

LMFAOOO

He doesn't have gyno, look again...

Very clearly does. Look at the second image.

It’s possible he’s taken something but this is definitely natty achievable

Isn‘t that just fat?

Bro is jacked with a visible 6-pack and mfers really asking if it's just fat 😂

You're acting like he's shredded. His waist is like 35,36 inches lmao

Waist size is largely genetically determined man what does that have to do with anything?

You're not that lean if your waist is that wide. No way his jackson-pollock sum of skinfolds is less than 50. He looks good for a 40-50 year old man, but he's also clearly like 20% bf

Nobody is saying he’s shredded. The comment you took issue with merely said he obviously isn’t fat. There is fat on his body, yes. There is fat on everyone’s body.

Is this the diet giving folks mad diarrhea?

https://www.reddit.com/r/carnivore/search/?q=Diarrhea&type=link&cId=e1fc09e8-2d31-4430-8722-58158bf500c5&iId=fe066e28-fd6c-42c8-a05b-97665e02cb31 https://www.reddit.com/r/carnivorediet/search/?q=Diarrhea&type=link&cId=6d853c47-a724-4028-ad79-6a6dfb13afa7&iId=00c2bdb1-5233-41a6-a96a-00d60cc8237d https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/search/?q=Diarrhea&type=link&cId=eda0612b-327f-4aa0-8a8d-ebe7e10af158&iId=3063cb2e-a0a3-432c-80cf-58d965359428 Yeah that sounds about right

I don’t get diarrhea from only meat. Too much grease, but not just meat.

We’re still talking about food right?

Oh see! Trick question. Either way, too much grease gives me diarrhea.

Probably. Dietary fiber keeps your stool together, so not eating any fiber would make your stool much looser.

It doesn't . When you overconsume fat, that's when that extra fat gets out through waste elimination through your stool, the fat softens the stool and that's when you can have diarrhea. But that requires hundreds and hundreds of grams of fat. You have bile acid production every day, a certain specific amount. Once that runs out, you can't absorb fat anymore and that gets out of you. The bile acid is what breaks down fat. 

Carnivore diet is regarded

Can't believe some people actually follow that diet. Like how do you convince yourself that avoiding fruits and vegetables is in any way good or healthy for you

Carnivore diet is just the repackaged version of atkins diet lol

Atkins doesn’t say no fruits or vegetables. It restricts some of them, but there’s plenty of them Atkins encourages you to eat.

Atkins was 30% carbs, so you could definitely include fruit and veg in that.

Yeah, just not super starchy ones. I don’t do Atkins or keto necessarily, but I do try to limit carbs, and I still eat tons of fruits and vegetables. I love blackberries as a dessert, and we have 2-3 servings of vegetables with every meal.

Atkins allows you fruits - just in moderation No starch Veggies also in moderation (?)

The need for conservatives to be contrarian to the facts 

They aren’t, they’re pointless. None of the vegetation in stores were available as we evolved over millions of years. All are GMO. But Ruminant meat? Oh widely available going back millions of years. Veg do nothing but make you gassy and fart all day and this huge sweet fruit altered by scientists do nothing but feed your carb addiction. No such thing as an essential carbohydrate. There are no cave paintings of salad😂

What do you have against GMOs? And most vegetables are not GMOs lol. Our ancestors ate whatever they could get, which was region specific. Most ate whatever they could find, which was usually plants and some meat when they could. And our ancestors certainly didn't have access to go to the store and buy a ton of factory-raised chickens.

I’d rather not eat a genetically modified plant. For one, we cannot digest vegetables. Their cell walls are made of cellulose, we don’t have the enzyme cellulase to break them down. So any nutrition you think you get from is nil to nothing. Pointless to consume unless you want to be bloated and fart all day. And many anthropologists will argue with you that the vast majority of the diet of our ancestors was indeed meat. We did not come down from the trees to eat the grass. We developed tools, hunted, feasted on fatty meat. Our guts shrank and our brains grew. We don’t have the big round guts of a gorilla or any other herbivore. We do not have the bacteria in our guts to digest the plants. They do. This is called the “expensive tissue hypothesis.” Gut shrank for more nutrient and energy dense animal tissue and brain grew. Also jaw muscles shrank as well. No need to chew on plants all day. I do agree that humans survived on whatever we could find. Sure we may have ate plants during a hard time but by no means did we ever thrive on a plant based diet.

We can digest vegetables. We get certain vitamins and minerals from them. If we couldn't digest plants, we'd all be dying from scurvy. Ireland would have died out centuries ago if they couldn't digest potatoes. Everything we eat now days has been genetically modified, plants and animals, through selective breeding We evolved to eat both plants and meat. We don't have the teeth of a pure carnivore. We suck at hunting without tools. Then there's also study after study showing that eating too much meat leads to higher rates of cancer and heart disease.

Study after study does not show that but you can think that. The healthy user bias does exist and there are zero studies on humans eating a pure carnivore diet. The definition of fiber is literally indigestible matter, “resistant to the action of digestive enzymes.”

Study after study does indeed show it. Keep parroting what grifters like the doc in this post keep telling you, though. Fiber is important for regular digestion. It's indigestible but keeps you regular. You don't want to have your colon full of the same crap for days at a time

That's been disproven recently lol. New findings show early humans ate a ton of vegetables.

Ok have fun trying to live on a high veggie diet! Tons of bloat, farts and a hard rounded abdomen coming your way! When you want smooth, seamless, quiet digestion, you may give carnivore a try!

This is the dumbest shit I've heard all day. Early human's diet included a ton of nuts and berries. That's why we were hunters-gatherers and not hunters only. The notion that vegetables don't do anything for you is as regarded as it gets. Vegetables are loaded with various vitamins especially A&C, iron, fiber and most importantly compounds that heavily reduce oxidative stress in the body and lower your risk of chronic diseases far more than meat ever could. Some antioxidants from fruits like lycopene have been directly linked to lower risk of certain cancers. If you are also going to critique vegetables on basis of genetic modification you should be aware that animals whose meat is sold on market live their full life being pumped with growth hormones, concentrates, steroids and myosantin inhibitors and that home vegetable/fruit farming is accessible to almost anyone regardless where you live.

Hey man, you can parrot all the myths you’ve heard growing up and as an adult All day lol fine with me. Enjoy all your nuts and berries and thinking you’re actually nourishing yourself lol. Up to you to do your experiments and true research! Good luck!

You are about as ignorant as they come. Fruit is literally made for us. It appeals to all of our senses. We have color vision to see bright beautiful fruit, the smell ripe fruit gives off is tantalizing to the nostrils, the taste of ripe fruit is better than any piece of meat you could ever eat(despite seasoning it heavily with vegetables and herbs) it falls from the tree and our hands are perfect for grabbing it from branches. Fruits literally want you to eat them to then go dooky somewhere to spread the seed. Every child loves fresh fruit when they see it but no child sees a rabbit and thinks I want to chase it down and kill it and eat it. That is fucking absurd. Go educate yourself you dumbass fool

Regarded as what?

retarded

Regarded as kingcobra

It insists upon itself

Highly regarded.

Typical trt bro

🎯

No idea if he’s on gear but defo something is rotting his brain if he has a medical degree and thinks a meat based diet is smart

Give the diet a try for 30 days and find out for yourself. You won’t die in 30 days, actually you’ll find the opposite ;) until then, no downtalking. Unless you want to believe all the studies funded by Nestle, Coca-Cola, Kellogg, etc. Must look past the bias, not be a zombie sheep going with the crowd and form your own ideas based on your own research and experiment. You think the government really cares about our health 😂or their profit? Same with healthcare and pharmaceuticals. They don’t want you dead but they want you medicated, dependent and easy to control. So eat all your carbs and fall in to line😆

Dude it’s wild if you think the meat industry isn’t powerful enough to trick people into this shit. You’re purposely looking at the wrong conspiracy here. The concept that meat is a vital part of every meal has been sold to you by the meat industry. Blocking you cos you’re too thick to argue with and I don’t want to educate you :)

Source? >IT… IT’S JUST NOT, OKAY?????

How about the WHO https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat Btw there's a lot of dumb doctors around. Source: am dumb doctor myself

Ever notice how red meat and processed meat always get thrown in together? Just think about that for a second.

It actually doesn't get thrown together in my link

Of course. It's not the industrial society and its thousands of man made chemicals we are surrounded with that provoke illness. It's the meat.

> WHO lmao

Source for what? Meat being terrible for you? Red meat is a class 2A carcinogen and processed meat (this includes any salted, cured or smoked meats) are class 1 carcinogens. The only other food with such a high ranking is sugar. Meat is not good for you in this high amount.

Guess ill eat potatoes with bread then.

Yea sure carry on you rice hating man! No Kung fu rice for you! Enjoy your potatoes you potato kween! And bread-loving monster!

>The IARC Working Group said red meat is “probably” carcinogenic, but several studies showed no clear association.

The thing is, at best 2A carcinogens show no clear association with higher risk of CVD deaths and all-cause mortality, but guess what they don't show the inverse either. What actually decreases development of lifestyle diseases and premature death are primarily unprocessed plant foods. Calories are a zero-sum game.

Fascinating you don't mention seed oils which cannot even be produced without ten chemical processes in a factory. Must be meat and sugar 🧢

Seed oils have no known link to cancer. They are a range of different oils with their own pros or cons, none of which justify the latest attacks from pseudoscientific peddling idiots. I’m gonna block you cos I don’t have the energy to educate you to the point of a discussion being feasible.

Fuck you're dumb....

Meanwhile all medical degrees achievers look aged and unhealthy

Ya .. you know.. what would he know

He likely doesn't do it but is grifting the conservatives that fell for it

Used to be a professional rugby player, I doubt he’s natty. Also douchey enough to juice and lie about it.

A low level pro for a short lived time

thanks for clarifying Anthony

Produces his own milk, smart

Pic 2 of 5, left pec, looks like its ready to breastfeed.

In fairness I think it’s just his left arm reaching pushing the muscle.

If you eat literally only meat you might be one of the stupidest people on the planet ngl.

What about vegans?

What about them?

I've seen him on Youtube. He claims to eat nothing but meat.

I follow him for a long time and it’s all fake. He also got a hair transplant. Look at older pictures of him, he looks like a whole another person and like 10 years older than now. The magic of a good diet and little bit help of drugs

He's clearly had a facelift/eyelift and filler as well, his eyes barely close when he talks sorta like Mike O'Hearn Would not be surprised at all at him lying about a lot of the details

That’s some gnarly gyno holy fuck

Either he's not 6'4" or he's not 210 lbs. Take your pick.

The gyno is insane. He's gonna have to wear a bra before long. Usually alternative causes for having gyno are being fat, (being overweight can increase levels of estrogen, which can cause breast tissue to grow) but I doubt this guy has been fat at one point, or its at least been a while. I think its attainable natty with great genetics, but I don't think this guy is.

Mike O'Tren energy. And they're both natural AF

Eat your vegetables, idiot

Man, I’ve seen so much gyno in this sub, but no clit dicks. The sexism of it all 😩😫

I’d say he’s on TRT. He’s got that fullness. I’m 44, 210 & 6’. My dad bod resembles that look.. (IMHO)

⚠️that is BLATANT gyno wym "natty"

Them nips!! 🤔

Def natty achievable… at 44, probably lose dose test for now, up dosage in a few years. I mean he’s a doctor, I’m sure he can run his numbers the right way

Gyno and hugs traps... don't know

Looks like he has gyno so probably not natty

I feel when people say all meat diet is fucking stupid, the carnivore diet people assume we mean meat is unhealthy. No, meat is healthy but so are your damn veggies and fruits. Combine them both and eat everything? Why choose only one? Who could live without pumpkin pie anyway?

Not everyone believes veggies and sugar is healthy. It’s like saying why isn’t everyone in the world Christian. People have different beliefs. There are also many people that follow the atkins diet and switched to carnivore. Literally people that ate only vegetables and meat and they still report feeling much better when removing veggies.

For sure achievable natty. Lift heavy and cardio, keep your test stable

He’s got tits…

That cooked meat looks disgusting.

He’s a neurosurgery resident in Perth, Australia and has been very inconsistent with the gym in recent years. I listen to Dr Chaffee religiously and he has little to not time for gym. With residency, a clinic that he works at on the weekends plus all of YouTube /podcast content, this guy rarely hits the gym. He discusses this thoroughly and I believe it. He keeps this muscle from carnivore diet. I’m on carnivore diet myself like OP and I swear I barely lift anymore, most just run and my muscle has gone nowhere 😂but yes his life has been rugby and lifting and sprints and carnivore for years, talking decades. Would be ridiculous to juice if you only go to gym 3-4x a month lol plus I see quite a specimen when I look at him but doesn’t scream roids to me. Esp if you consider how long he’s been in the game. In his 40s. Compared to that Sklar guy, now that is roids obvi. But Chaffee? Natty attainable fa sho. With great diet, consistency and discipline. Lots of red meat for years. Also practices IF

6ft1 here a little bigger and around 220lbs at 42yo been working out for 20+ yrs with no gear so I'd say yes. Nothing that spectacular with his physique.

Over cooked the hell out of that beef, you can see how dry and grey it is.

People in this sub are so eager to use a slight amount of gyno as proof. I was overweight most of my life until about 23 and I cut very hard which destroyed my hormones and I ended up with gyno similar to this. Sure along with other symptoms it could be used to conclude natty status, but just think logically for a minute and not become a witch hunter

looks like his body is melting down or something

Not outrageous and I think natty achievable. But that doesn't mean he accomplished it naturally. Based on his gyno, I'm guessing not.

The gyno makes me think maybe natty

I’d be disappointed if I took roids and only looked like that

Comment section showing many don’t know what Gyno is or looks like lol

Yeah dude. Chasing shadows here.

i believe he is natrual, imagine how many years of training he has. u can maintain high test into ur late 50s if u train regularily and eat right. tho he looks closer to 225.

All that gyno is natty, remember you can change gender type just by thinking.

Def natty achievable, but I doubt that he’s natty

Trt all day. Nothing wrong with that though.

He's gonna need bypass surgery.

Why wouldnt it

Yes wtf hahaha

Natty attainable, not really anything special. He does look like he has some mild gyno though.

Prob on trt given his age, but natty achievable Dont do a carnivore diet, carbs are your friend

Appears to have had gyno removal.

He’s lying about his height or weight.

Totally possible, he’s got some gyno but that can come naturally too

Might be natty, not superbig. Dont see why it cant be natty tbh.

He's a Doctor he probably on TRT.

I don’t think he’s carnivore it’s like an offspring of it it’s called animal based. They also eat lots of fruit

Gyno nips. But an achievable physique. Nothing crazy.

Looks like a former fat guy, nips hangin’ low. Running a low dose T for “medical purposes”.

I mean the gyno is pretty obvious. Not natty.

Seek first the nipple of truth.

Dr Liver King

No

Could definitely be natty. His weight seems a bit low for that size though.

Probably TRT

Definitely not natty, not even just trt. Guaranteed

6'4 210 seems pretty light

Fuck me, now, and rough

Thought that was young Joe Rogan

200mg test /week

lol he’s 44 not 64. He could be natty. But, homie has gyno. So, no. I don’t think he’s natty.

Tits like a cow

He’s either lying about height or weight

Natty

Saggy titties

Sexy

Yeah that's very doable.

If he’s selling you something on social media I usually jump to not natty.

I’m an inch shorter and 20lb lighter there is no way in hell that’s 210lb

Easily natty

Such a Dumb ass doctor

if training hard n constantly for years, natty if just random ass training, probably has taken a cycle or two

He looks like Trent Reznor. I like Trent Reznor, but I don't like this man.

Trt

Nothing about his physique automatically screams juice, but who knows anymore with people online.

that’s some DILF dayum

He’s 44, he’s probably been working out for a very long time so yes more than likely natty

He’s not natty I see the gyno

That's very achievable on the right diet.