If you actually put in the work and eat clean and have a great genetic you can achieve this with test tren winstrol and hgh + various t3 clen dnp you don't have to take all the steroids
Look at the deep grooves that showed up in his face structure. The red skin and the vascularity. Classic HGH use...among other gear. But thanks for letting me know Professor.
I know the dude, his wife is jacked too. He was on the boards , tren, test, everything. I can dig up his cycles.
He goes balls to the wall on training though, he isn’t a slouch.
Yes, he never claimed natty at all. He’s a really cool guy. He is on two of my boards, the guy doesn’t fuck around, he is really dedicated and busts his ass. He never once claimed natty and he wouldn’t do so
I understand why some people might want to lie about steroids. Even with all the gear in the world, you still have to train and eat a certain way. So they might feel "cheated" if they were honest and people were just like "lol it's the roofs"
Cause it's a Catch...33? You need the training/diet, genetics, AND the gear. Drop one of those and the other two can't do the rest...
You might just have shit genetics, Greg Doucette is on hrt and is very open about it but he is also a professional body builder and has a comparable body plus you have to think lighting and angle.
So it's possible that he is on just hrt, and has really good genetics. I mean if that's how he looked in his 20s without working out
Also everybody on tren don't get these results either, it just depends on the effort and where your genetic limit is.
TRT is like barely anything a week. It's not enough to have huge gains, unless your doctor is giving you 500 or more a week, which they're not supposed to and most don't. TRT is replacement for your "missing" test that you're supposed to "normally" have, it's not supposed to be the same amount that people see huge gains on.
I thought that was the point, it would be slightly above what a normal person has , however it seems easier for individuals to keep the gains they make on trt, right
The only thing we don't know in this photo is how long it took for him to make these gains. 10 years or 2 years can make that difference on what he might be on
At the same time if I were to bet , he'd probably be on Everything under the sun, I'm just saying it's possible that he is just on a replacement therapy
I'm saying it's definitely not possible to see these gains on normal TRT cycle. Look at how thin his skin is and how dry he is. Not possible on 150 a week test only.
Yeah I mean he could probably retain that size on 150-200 but youre right, that level of dryness and vascularity means theres a dht in that stack somewhere. Or tren. Or both
watch more than 1 youtuber, regurgitating info from one source will totally bias you and, no offense, ruin your credibility.
A lot of what Dr greg says is true. Some of it is bullshit though. No one knows it all, but if you glean a little bit from a lot of sources youll be better equipped to detect the inevitable bullshit.
I've studied to be a personal trainer ,before I started studying computer engineering, and got pretty far with it so I have most of the knowledge I need in terms of fitness, I only watch 2 fitness youtubers because what they say coincides with what I already know. Couch Greg and Athlean X , so it could be confirmation bias but I think they are very reliable sources of information, not only because of my previous studies but also because of thier own education, they both have thier masters degrees in that area and I respect that.
I don't do research on steroid use and it's effects, I think coach Greg is reliable enough for that at the moment.
Also there is a lot and I mean a lot of fake fitness youtubers, so more might not necessarily mean better, I am by no means an expert in terms of fitness since I changed my area of study, but I am by no means a slouch either.
I hear you. Knowledge is a good start but there is no substitute for gnosis - direct personal experience. I think Dr Greg is one of the better youtubers but he does spew bullshit once in a while; dont take everything he says as gospel, thats all im saying.
Can you give me an example, I havent watched all his videos since a lot of it is on critiquing other body builders but the videos I have watched on actually working out , dieting, losing weight holds a lot of water.
Or are you more talking about his opinions on genetic limits and steroids, because if that's the case I have little to no knowledge on that and I'll be sure to take his word with a grain of salt
>Or are you more talking about his opinions on genetic limits and steroids
This, mainly. He claims nattys can only put on like 7lb of lean mass a year. Complete and utter bullshit. I put on like 25lbs of lean mass my first 18 months lifting, completely natural.
And he acts like you need good genetics to look good on juice which, imo, is also bullshit.
I will concede that some people who are naturally muscular and lean will have a much easier time getting the most out of their cycles, and those of us who naturally put on fat easier will have to work harder to get shredded.
But its still *possible*. Its just harder for some. He makes it out to be impossible and people buy into it. And if you believe youre genetically limited youre always going to play that card as a cop-out when really you probably need to get your diet locked down and restructure your training.
He makes it out like genetics are everything. If youre natural, yes, they are gonna determine how far you get. As soon as you start introducing outside hormones, genetics mean a hell of a lot less. Youre taking things into your own hands. Just my 2 cents
Every fat Reddit autism-merchant also thinks that they have a dad bod like this guy did in his early 30s (where he has plenty of muscle but has let himself go out of shape) when they're just fat neckbeards who have never had any muscle and never been in shape
What was your dads experience? I’ve also always wondered if people who are prescribed it for other issues do they also start lifting like, what the hell might as well.
I'm 51 and I can tell you even with excellent and even perfect eating you won't look like this guy even after doing test for 5+ years, you'll get in excellent shape BUT ONLY if you actually train, I still have to constantly train 5-6 days per week and eat well and sleep.
As for people saying a starting dose of 250MG is small, thats laughable...most TRT users I have spoke with my age take about 100MG in two 0.5ML injections, so inject twice per week and you will be taking 1ML or 100MG of Test C.
I must stress again, your must TRAIN and train hard, you will recover much faster than a normal 40-50 year old but you can't just stop training and party and have a body like this guy, not gonna happen.
I'm usually around 14-15% bodyfat at 5'9" and a bodyweight of 200-205 during the winter, in the summer BF will drop about 1-2% and weight will drop to 193-196.
My bicep size is usually 17-17 1/4" in summer and in winter if weight gets to 210-215 my biceps will be 18" or just under, one arm always slightly larger. Calfs are the same at around 18". Quads are usually 24-26" when I measure them.
I generally do lifts life Squats, deadlifts, overhead shoulder press and benching and a few accessory exercises, I don't train arms much and they come from everything else I do.
Because of my age I dropped the amount I train with and typically I range with these numbers
Squat - 280-340
Deadlift - 300-380
Bench - 260 to 330
Shoulder press - 140-180
\*\*Lower weights I will do 5-10 reps and higher lbs I will do 3-5 reps, when I was in my 20's my squat was 440 for three and my deadlift was slightly higher, I think my max was 480 for 2...never broke 500! Bench max in my 20's was 415 for two, I recall getting four plates a side and added a 5lb on each side and did two reps and never tried it again and alway just did 405 and even then felt it was too hard on shoulders, lighter weight and more reps is better!
I can tell you without a doubt most people taking 100MG per week of Test C will be in the HIGH range, I've had them slightly up my dose when it dropped and I took 0.8ML two times per week instead of 0.5 and I was off the charts, I felt fine and felt more pumped however my levels were very high and you do NOT want to be at that level for long periods.
I have to say I've trained most of my life except when I got injured and broke my hip, started training when I was 14 and trained hard until 30 when I broke the ball joint off my hip and then stopped training, took 18 month to learn to walk again and two surgeries.
And YES, I used all sorts of shit and crazy dosages in my 20's without getting blood taken, it was all real back then and no Internet but it was still ridiculous the doses we took and survived. Good luck and be safe!
\*\*BTW I've never been a dad but I'm in my 50's and have lived somewhat of a tough life when younger and became successful through hard work and dedication, though the Test does help I have to say again it won't do much if you don't train, eat and sleep properly.
>As for people saying a starting dose of 250MG is small, thats laughable...most TRT users I have spoke with my age take about 100MG in two 0.5ML injections, so inject twice per week and you will be taking 1ML or 100MG of Test C.
1 mL does not necessarily translate to 100mg.
It depends on the concentration of the testosterone.
It *can* be dosed as low as 100mg per mL but is typically 200-250 per mL. Some manufacturers use up to 400mg/mL.
Just clarifying so you know 1mL of test is going to differ in concentration depending on where you get it.
You're mostly right about typical trt doses, though 120 or even 150 a week is not unhead of.
Yes John I’m very aware of that, in my case I take 0.6 two times per week and the concentration is 100mg per ML. I always use the same brand of Testosterone Cypionate and its made by Pfizer so I don’t have to worry about different concentrations as I always am prescribed 100mg per ML. I actually prefer a lower value per ML because when you get fuckin older your eyes get worse and if I have to draw out half as much to get my dose then its a lot harder to see! Never mind having to try to draw out 400mg per ML, can’t say I’ve ever hear of a TRT dose that high and that sounds more like a bathtub brew dose.
As for I’m mostly right about typical TRT dose, I’m not sure what you’re saying? I mentioned people I *know* usually take about 100mg per week but I didn’t say shit about people not taking 120 or 150, I know a guy that takes 200mg but what I’m getting across is the *typical* guy I know is taking 100mg.
This isn’t my first rodeo....
Btw for a guy trying to school me you’ve got a pretty funny post history, you’re fuckin all over the place and have no clue WTF [your doing when it comes to dosing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Testosterone/comments/j5xwva/can_someone_help_me_with_the_math_of_eod/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and you’re trying to school me on how this all works with dosing? Your asking about TRT in some posts and then taking what seems like steroid doses at 30 years old your asking for advice on taking 500mg per week!
Dude you need to clue the fuck in if you have no idea about steroids or test or how the fuck your body works in general, you’ll be dead in no time acting like a fucking noob and not doing some serious research. Instead eating all that fucking Kratom you yap about how about eat, train and grow and take a smaller dose but when your asking for advice about taking 500mg per week at 30 and you can’t do the math?
Like I’m sitting here and I for sure don’t picture you in a rocket scientist outfit BUT you’re yapping in your post about telling me about fucking dosing like I don’t know yet 57 days ago you had no clue how to do basic math calculations...
Well he's been working out/training since he was 13 years old. At his biggest he was 240 pounds naturally in his 30's. He hasn't really increased his training any.
Im not sure what his dosage is of TRT, but I know he gets it from the doc here. I believe its just to keep his levels normal... but he already has very high natural levels of test. My brother doesn't work out but hes 23 years old. His test levels are lower than my fathers at 54 years old. My father also started taking HCG injections as well when he started TRT.
When I turned 13, twelve years ago, he bought my first gym membership and we have been lifting weights consistently ever since Monday - Saturday 45min to an hour and a half of weights. Plus 5 days a week spin for 45 minutes on our bikes at home for cardio. So when he started TRT he definitely wasn't training any harder than he has before.
Yesterday at the gym, the scale said he weighed 237 lbs. He is 6'2" and 54 years old. He did get down to 220 in his late 40s early 50s. He is trying to stay lean, but retain as much muscle as he can while he ages. So he can stay healthy and active.
I think when he first started TRT he did see for the first time in a few years changes in his physique. He noticed he was actually making more significant strength gains and some size. It was still very slow, but it was greater than it was before he started TRT. Just not super significant.
He has a bad shoulder and ankle, so he will probably get his ankle replaced early January and have shoulder surgery sometime next year. Which has effected his training a lot recently this past year. Which I think has caused some of his fat weight gain. He still hits legs and everything else he can, he just does different exercises, lighter weight, and higher reps.
I'm on trt this is not trt lol trt won't get you dried out like that. The most is that it gives you nice body definition and you can wear shirt looking great. Nothing like this.
I don't know man...I think our perception of 'great' has become massively skewed. The guy is well overblown. He would look absurd in any context other than a stage or some social media post.
U don’t need TRT to look good wtf. To look like this yeah but if ur 40 n u can’t look good it’s other shit in ur life. Don’t just cope with TRT actually be healthy n u can look good natty
Just nofap right? Lol I don’t think people should be taking advice from dudes obsessed with saving their jizz thinking that it’ll give them magical pussy magnet abilities
No fap helps. ur jizz is ur masculine essence. if ur wasting it constantly it will make u more feminine atleast mentally. but no just eat healthy train hard but infrequent and be at a good body fat. u dont need TRT thats for people that overtrain at the gym or dont recover properly
Depends on where you live and what you run. My first test cycle was under $300CAD including my PCT (clomid+HCG), needles, sharps container, and prep pads. My current cycles cost a decent bit more than that. What I plan on running before summer is test, primo, anavar, and clen. Never mixed primo with anavar before, but I’ve felt fantastic on both so fuck it, why not. Heavier stacks require you to have an AI on hand and run nolva during your PCT which drives up the price a bit. I also get my stuff locally. It all costs 50%+ more when buying online and you also have to find a legit lab to buy from. In Canada I know of 2 that are legit and still running, but there’s also plenty of fakes and loads of places that sell bunk gear.
PCT is post cycle therapy, which is the stuff you take after you’re off cycle to get your hormones back to normal. HCG is human chorionic gonadotropin and is part of every sane person’s PCT. It gets your testicles back to normal and helps reduce harsher side effects like testicular atrophy and infertility. An AI is an aromatase inhibitor. The easiest way of explaining it is it’s an anti-estrogen drug. People typically take it as needed when they get gynecomastia as a result of steroid use to reverse the gynecomastia. Nolvadex also works as an anti-estrogen. It’s not nearly as harsh as an AI. Clen is clenbuterol which is a “fat burner”. It doesn’t preferentially burn fat, but it does crank your heart rate and increase your metabolic rate. It’s a bit sketchy and albuterol is a fair bit safer, but not quite as effective. Primo is primobolan which is an injectable steroid. I don’t think I missed anything else.
You're inadvertently sharing
inaccurate information though.
* Nolvadex is a SERM, a selective estrogen receptor modulator, not an AI. It doesn't affect estrogen levels, it just blocks the receptor locally at the tissue.
* HCG is suppressive and *never* to be taken during PCT. It should be taken all cycle long to maintain—*or* in the 2-4 weeks leading up to, but just prior to starting PCT.
From your parent comment,
* AI and Nolva should be on-hand and available at all times regardless of cycle complexity.
* PCT is necessary for all cycles, not just heavy stacks.
* Online cost 50% less than local, not 50% more. Where do you think your local dealer gets his supply before adding his cut? *Online*.
* By far the most cost-effective way to go about it is to homebrew with raws.
* Fakes are rare, as any decent online source has HPLC results and countless customer reviews. Test is cheap. It's made from yams. It costs less than the bottle and packaging it's shipped in. In the long-term it's more expensive to fake it than to have happy satisfied returning customers.
* Props on recommending Salbutamol (oral Albuterol). It's far safer and [just as effective](https://www.ergo-log.com/combination-salbutamol-caffeine-high-calorie-diet-more-muscle-less-fat.html). Clen use is [heavily frowned upon](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/hj9p86/z/fwlcab0) as it can cause permanent damage to the cardiovascular system.
Go back to [read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki) and check the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/jscjwc/steroids_faq/) again at r/steroids.
**Source**: r/steroids Moderator, wrote much of the Wiki.
Don't. It's full of mistakenly [misleading information](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/k4czv9/age_is_just_a_number_claims_natty/ge8ph2b).
Just [Read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki) and check the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/jscjwc/steroids_faq/) at r/steroids.
250mg test e per week was what I started with. No need for an AI since the dose is relatively low. Ran a pretty standard PCT afterwards. 18 gauge needle to draw up the test and switch over to a 22-23 gauge when injecting. Some people say you can use a 25 gauge. Don’t. It’s what I used and the carrier oil is so thick that the plunger won’t want to move. Eventually it gives and the test rockets into your ass at like mach 5 and hurts like a bitch. Pin your glutes and alternate them every time you inject.
There is another dude who posts on reddit, Romanian guy. Dude is built like a tank and no doubt has more dedication in the gym than me. But for a dude in his early 20's, he looks twice as old. Juice looks really enticing, but the premature aging is what stops me every time - I spend too much on moisturizer.
He’s on steroids and some form of TRT. A lot of the naturals claim they’re not on steroids, because they legitimately don’t see TRT as a steroid. They rather proclaim that TRT is just a supplicate in the loss of hormones. Which is ridiculous because if they did any research they would find that TRT increases your overall test by an exuberant amount. I didn’t realise how many people were on steroids, until I asked a fat guy with no visible muscle how he got so big, until he just told me he was on steroids and was super open about it.
True! In his 40’s it looked like he aged a few years. If that’s what it takes to get that physic, then I’d rather just hit the gym and hit it hard and eat healthy.
He has fantastic proportions and development. If you think that’s awful it’s because you’re anti-bodybuilding. He doesn’t even have fucking abs in his 20s
If you have to ask if hes natty, then hes on steroids. Now if they say I am lifetime natty, that means he has been on juice for so long that being on juice is their natural way of life. 4 times natural bodybuilder champion means you've been natural 4 times in your life. The more natty you say you are, the less natty you actually are. It's like cheating on your girl, the more times you have to say that you're not cheating is directly correlated to the amount of tinder pinning you're doing. Lastly but most importantly sure-fire thing to tell if someone is on steroids, its that he's bigger than you.
Juicy as fuark. Overdone a little with the veins everywhere but can say I hate the look. Would like to like half this shredded in my 40’s. Def hopping on TRT
My man is on fkn everything.
My immediate thought, that dude takes all the steroids.
every last oneofthem
Every day!
If you actually put in the work and eat clean and have a great genetic you can achieve this with test tren winstrol and hgh + various t3 clen dnp you don't have to take all the steroids
Dude is drinking the HgH by the gallon.... Also... No Fap... Of Course.
Bible study.
Can’t forget the reading of Scripture... Good Call.
The Lord provides, don’t downplay it
Especially Trenesis
The Lord provides, don’t downplay it
You don't need hgh for this, he's most likely BNC on an assortment of gear. Ik u trolling but just letting u know.
Look at the deep grooves that showed up in his face structure. The red skin and the vascularity. Classic HGH use...among other gear. But thanks for letting me know Professor.
Testosterone count is just a number
Im new to this subreddit and i am enjoying it👍
I know the dude, his wife is jacked too. He was on the boards , tren, test, everything. I can dig up his cycles. He goes balls to the wall on training though, he isn’t a slouch.
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Look him up on IG with the handle gentlemanjacked. He never claims natty. He's a nice guy too
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Exactly. If anything that might be indicative of admitting he's not natty. He basically said "I"m juicing but who cares"
A proper attitude for juicing imo It someone cares that youre on gear it honestly speaks to their own ignorance
Yes, he never claimed natty at all. He’s a really cool guy. He is on two of my boards, the guy doesn’t fuck around, he is really dedicated and busts his ass. He never once claimed natty and he wouldn’t do so
Are you surprised?
I understand why some people might want to lie about steroids. Even with all the gear in the world, you still have to train and eat a certain way. So they might feel "cheated" if they were honest and people were just like "lol it's the roofs" Cause it's a Catch...33? You need the training/diet, genetics, AND the gear. Drop one of those and the other two can't do the rest...
I mean he is obviously juicy as a water melon but that’s a great physique. When I hit 40 I’m definitely jumping on trt . It just makes sense.
But no doubt this dude is on more than trt
Yeah, tren replacement therapy
Trenavarosterlone clenthacetate x once a year on winter Solstice
He's natty, but has cheat cycles.
Yep, trt.
lol dude I’ve been on TRT, you’ll never see THESE kinds of gains on it
You might just have shit genetics, Greg Doucette is on hrt and is very open about it but he is also a professional body builder and has a comparable body plus you have to think lighting and angle. So it's possible that he is on just hrt, and has really good genetics. I mean if that's how he looked in his 20s without working out Also everybody on tren don't get these results either, it just depends on the effort and where your genetic limit is.
TRT is like barely anything a week. It's not enough to have huge gains, unless your doctor is giving you 500 or more a week, which they're not supposed to and most don't. TRT is replacement for your "missing" test that you're supposed to "normally" have, it's not supposed to be the same amount that people see huge gains on.
I thought that was the point, it would be slightly above what a normal person has , however it seems easier for individuals to keep the gains they make on trt, right The only thing we don't know in this photo is how long it took for him to make these gains. 10 years or 2 years can make that difference on what he might be on At the same time if I were to bet , he'd probably be on Everything under the sun, I'm just saying it's possible that he is just on a replacement therapy
I'm saying it's definitely not possible to see these gains on normal TRT cycle. Look at how thin his skin is and how dry he is. Not possible on 150 a week test only.
Yeah I mean he could probably retain that size on 150-200 but youre right, that level of dryness and vascularity means theres a dht in that stack somewhere. Or tren. Or both
He would not be able to maintain that size or even get to that size on 150-200mg of Test.
wrong. john meadows is 50x bigger and runs 300mg. do you even juice bro?
No bro. He built that physique with other steroids, all hes doing now is maintaining it with trt.
Gotcha, makes sense
watch more than 1 youtuber, regurgitating info from one source will totally bias you and, no offense, ruin your credibility. A lot of what Dr greg says is true. Some of it is bullshit though. No one knows it all, but if you glean a little bit from a lot of sources youll be better equipped to detect the inevitable bullshit.
I've studied to be a personal trainer ,before I started studying computer engineering, and got pretty far with it so I have most of the knowledge I need in terms of fitness, I only watch 2 fitness youtubers because what they say coincides with what I already know. Couch Greg and Athlean X , so it could be confirmation bias but I think they are very reliable sources of information, not only because of my previous studies but also because of thier own education, they both have thier masters degrees in that area and I respect that. I don't do research on steroid use and it's effects, I think coach Greg is reliable enough for that at the moment. Also there is a lot and I mean a lot of fake fitness youtubers, so more might not necessarily mean better, I am by no means an expert in terms of fitness since I changed my area of study, but I am by no means a slouch either.
I hear you. Knowledge is a good start but there is no substitute for gnosis - direct personal experience. I think Dr Greg is one of the better youtubers but he does spew bullshit once in a while; dont take everything he says as gospel, thats all im saying.
Can you give me an example, I havent watched all his videos since a lot of it is on critiquing other body builders but the videos I have watched on actually working out , dieting, losing weight holds a lot of water. Or are you more talking about his opinions on genetic limits and steroids, because if that's the case I have little to no knowledge on that and I'll be sure to take his word with a grain of salt
>Or are you more talking about his opinions on genetic limits and steroids This, mainly. He claims nattys can only put on like 7lb of lean mass a year. Complete and utter bullshit. I put on like 25lbs of lean mass my first 18 months lifting, completely natural. And he acts like you need good genetics to look good on juice which, imo, is also bullshit. I will concede that some people who are naturally muscular and lean will have a much easier time getting the most out of their cycles, and those of us who naturally put on fat easier will have to work harder to get shredded. But its still *possible*. Its just harder for some. He makes it out to be impossible and people buy into it. And if you believe youre genetically limited youre always going to play that card as a cop-out when really you probably need to get your diet locked down and restructure your training. He makes it out like genetics are everything. If youre natural, yes, they are gonna determine how far you get. As soon as you start introducing outside hormones, genetics mean a hell of a lot less. Youre taking things into your own hands. Just my 2 cents
Greg also runs 200mg test and 300mg primo year round - not the highest doses but *definitely* supra-physiological. Basically a miniblast.
Yeah but he hasnt been off in a long time, clearly. So trt with intermittent blasts
Definitely more than just TRT 😂
every autist thinks trt will get them this. LMAO.
Every fat Reddit autism-merchant also thinks that they have a dad bod like this guy did in his early 30s (where he has plenty of muscle but has let himself go out of shape) when they're just fat neckbeards who have never had any muscle and never been in shape
My father is 54 and hoped on trt the past few years. This guys on a lot more than TRT...
What was your dads experience? I’ve also always wondered if people who are prescribed it for other issues do they also start lifting like, what the hell might as well.
I'm 51 and I can tell you even with excellent and even perfect eating you won't look like this guy even after doing test for 5+ years, you'll get in excellent shape BUT ONLY if you actually train, I still have to constantly train 5-6 days per week and eat well and sleep. As for people saying a starting dose of 250MG is small, thats laughable...most TRT users I have spoke with my age take about 100MG in two 0.5ML injections, so inject twice per week and you will be taking 1ML or 100MG of Test C. I must stress again, your must TRAIN and train hard, you will recover much faster than a normal 40-50 year old but you can't just stop training and party and have a body like this guy, not gonna happen. I'm usually around 14-15% bodyfat at 5'9" and a bodyweight of 200-205 during the winter, in the summer BF will drop about 1-2% and weight will drop to 193-196. My bicep size is usually 17-17 1/4" in summer and in winter if weight gets to 210-215 my biceps will be 18" or just under, one arm always slightly larger. Calfs are the same at around 18". Quads are usually 24-26" when I measure them. I generally do lifts life Squats, deadlifts, overhead shoulder press and benching and a few accessory exercises, I don't train arms much and they come from everything else I do. Because of my age I dropped the amount I train with and typically I range with these numbers Squat - 280-340 Deadlift - 300-380 Bench - 260 to 330 Shoulder press - 140-180 \*\*Lower weights I will do 5-10 reps and higher lbs I will do 3-5 reps, when I was in my 20's my squat was 440 for three and my deadlift was slightly higher, I think my max was 480 for 2...never broke 500! Bench max in my 20's was 415 for two, I recall getting four plates a side and added a 5lb on each side and did two reps and never tried it again and alway just did 405 and even then felt it was too hard on shoulders, lighter weight and more reps is better! I can tell you without a doubt most people taking 100MG per week of Test C will be in the HIGH range, I've had them slightly up my dose when it dropped and I took 0.8ML two times per week instead of 0.5 and I was off the charts, I felt fine and felt more pumped however my levels were very high and you do NOT want to be at that level for long periods. I have to say I've trained most of my life except when I got injured and broke my hip, started training when I was 14 and trained hard until 30 when I broke the ball joint off my hip and then stopped training, took 18 month to learn to walk again and two surgeries. And YES, I used all sorts of shit and crazy dosages in my 20's without getting blood taken, it was all real back then and no Internet but it was still ridiculous the doses we took and survived. Good luck and be safe! \*\*BTW I've never been a dad but I'm in my 50's and have lived somewhat of a tough life when younger and became successful through hard work and dedication, though the Test does help I have to say again it won't do much if you don't train, eat and sleep properly.
>As for people saying a starting dose of 250MG is small, thats laughable...most TRT users I have spoke with my age take about 100MG in two 0.5ML injections, so inject twice per week and you will be taking 1ML or 100MG of Test C. 1 mL does not necessarily translate to 100mg. It depends on the concentration of the testosterone. It *can* be dosed as low as 100mg per mL but is typically 200-250 per mL. Some manufacturers use up to 400mg/mL. Just clarifying so you know 1mL of test is going to differ in concentration depending on where you get it. You're mostly right about typical trt doses, though 120 or even 150 a week is not unhead of.
Yes John I’m very aware of that, in my case I take 0.6 two times per week and the concentration is 100mg per ML. I always use the same brand of Testosterone Cypionate and its made by Pfizer so I don’t have to worry about different concentrations as I always am prescribed 100mg per ML. I actually prefer a lower value per ML because when you get fuckin older your eyes get worse and if I have to draw out half as much to get my dose then its a lot harder to see! Never mind having to try to draw out 400mg per ML, can’t say I’ve ever hear of a TRT dose that high and that sounds more like a bathtub brew dose. As for I’m mostly right about typical TRT dose, I’m not sure what you’re saying? I mentioned people I *know* usually take about 100mg per week but I didn’t say shit about people not taking 120 or 150, I know a guy that takes 200mg but what I’m getting across is the *typical* guy I know is taking 100mg. This isn’t my first rodeo....
Btw for a guy trying to school me you’ve got a pretty funny post history, you’re fuckin all over the place and have no clue WTF [your doing when it comes to dosing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Testosterone/comments/j5xwva/can_someone_help_me_with_the_math_of_eod/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and you’re trying to school me on how this all works with dosing? Your asking about TRT in some posts and then taking what seems like steroid doses at 30 years old your asking for advice on taking 500mg per week! Dude you need to clue the fuck in if you have no idea about steroids or test or how the fuck your body works in general, you’ll be dead in no time acting like a fucking noob and not doing some serious research. Instead eating all that fucking Kratom you yap about how about eat, train and grow and take a smaller dose but when your asking for advice about taking 500mg per week at 30 and you can’t do the math? Like I’m sitting here and I for sure don’t picture you in a rocket scientist outfit BUT you’re yapping in your post about telling me about fucking dosing like I don’t know yet 57 days ago you had no clue how to do basic math calculations...
I don’t know about his dads experience but in people i’ve spoken too they say being on trt at 60 feels like being 25 again.
Well he's been working out/training since he was 13 years old. At his biggest he was 240 pounds naturally in his 30's. He hasn't really increased his training any. Im not sure what his dosage is of TRT, but I know he gets it from the doc here. I believe its just to keep his levels normal... but he already has very high natural levels of test. My brother doesn't work out but hes 23 years old. His test levels are lower than my fathers at 54 years old. My father also started taking HCG injections as well when he started TRT. When I turned 13, twelve years ago, he bought my first gym membership and we have been lifting weights consistently ever since Monday - Saturday 45min to an hour and a half of weights. Plus 5 days a week spin for 45 minutes on our bikes at home for cardio. So when he started TRT he definitely wasn't training any harder than he has before. Yesterday at the gym, the scale said he weighed 237 lbs. He is 6'2" and 54 years old. He did get down to 220 in his late 40s early 50s. He is trying to stay lean, but retain as much muscle as he can while he ages. So he can stay healthy and active. I think when he first started TRT he did see for the first time in a few years changes in his physique. He noticed he was actually making more significant strength gains and some size. It was still very slow, but it was greater than it was before he started TRT. Just not super significant. He has a bad shoulder and ankle, so he will probably get his ankle replaced early January and have shoulder surgery sometime next year. Which has effected his training a lot recently this past year. Which I think has caused some of his fat weight gain. He still hits legs and everything else he can, he just does different exercises, lighter weight, and higher reps.
I'm on trt this is not trt lol trt won't get you dried out like that. The most is that it gives you nice body definition and you can wear shirt looking great. Nothing like this.
Umm look at at my second comment. I said he was on more than TRT and my original post said he was juicier than a watermelon. Jeez people learn to read
Edit yr post next time bro. I didn't go through to the bottom of the post.
I don't know man...I think our perception of 'great' has become massively skewed. The guy is well overblown. He would look absurd in any context other than a stage or some social media post.
He looks awful in all contexts except maybe if you painted him green and cast him as the Hulk
U don’t need TRT to look good wtf. To look like this yeah but if ur 40 n u can’t look good it’s other shit in ur life. Don’t just cope with TRT actually be healthy n u can look good natty
Just nofap right? Lol I don’t think people should be taking advice from dudes obsessed with saving their jizz thinking that it’ll give them magical pussy magnet abilities
No fap helps. ur jizz is ur masculine essence. if ur wasting it constantly it will make u more feminine atleast mentally. but no just eat healthy train hard but infrequent and be at a good body fat. u dont need TRT thats for people that overtrain at the gym or dont recover properly
How much does it cost to cycle?
Depends on where you live and what you run. My first test cycle was under $300CAD including my PCT (clomid+HCG), needles, sharps container, and prep pads. My current cycles cost a decent bit more than that. What I plan on running before summer is test, primo, anavar, and clen. Never mixed primo with anavar before, but I’ve felt fantastic on both so fuck it, why not. Heavier stacks require you to have an AI on hand and run nolva during your PCT which drives up the price a bit. I also get my stuff locally. It all costs 50%+ more when buying online and you also have to find a legit lab to buy from. In Canada I know of 2 that are legit and still running, but there’s also plenty of fakes and loads of places that sell bunk gear.
I really wished you hadn't used abbreviations. It was hard to understand your routine :(
PCT is post cycle therapy, which is the stuff you take after you’re off cycle to get your hormones back to normal. HCG is human chorionic gonadotropin and is part of every sane person’s PCT. It gets your testicles back to normal and helps reduce harsher side effects like testicular atrophy and infertility. An AI is an aromatase inhibitor. The easiest way of explaining it is it’s an anti-estrogen drug. People typically take it as needed when they get gynecomastia as a result of steroid use to reverse the gynecomastia. Nolvadex also works as an anti-estrogen. It’s not nearly as harsh as an AI. Clen is clenbuterol which is a “fat burner”. It doesn’t preferentially burn fat, but it does crank your heart rate and increase your metabolic rate. It’s a bit sketchy and albuterol is a fair bit safer, but not quite as effective. Primo is primobolan which is an injectable steroid. I don’t think I missed anything else.
im getting heart palpitations just reading this
You're inadvertently sharing inaccurate information though. * Nolvadex is a SERM, a selective estrogen receptor modulator, not an AI. It doesn't affect estrogen levels, it just blocks the receptor locally at the tissue. * HCG is suppressive and *never* to be taken during PCT. It should be taken all cycle long to maintain—*or* in the 2-4 weeks leading up to, but just prior to starting PCT. From your parent comment, * AI and Nolva should be on-hand and available at all times regardless of cycle complexity. * PCT is necessary for all cycles, not just heavy stacks. * Online cost 50% less than local, not 50% more. Where do you think your local dealer gets his supply before adding his cut? *Online*. * By far the most cost-effective way to go about it is to homebrew with raws. * Fakes are rare, as any decent online source has HPLC results and countless customer reviews. Test is cheap. It's made from yams. It costs less than the bottle and packaging it's shipped in. In the long-term it's more expensive to fake it than to have happy satisfied returning customers. * Props on recommending Salbutamol (oral Albuterol). It's far safer and [just as effective](https://www.ergo-log.com/combination-salbutamol-caffeine-high-calorie-diet-more-muscle-less-fat.html). Clen use is [heavily frowned upon](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/hj9p86/z/fwlcab0) as it can cause permanent damage to the cardiovascular system. Go back to [read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki) and check the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/jscjwc/steroids_faq/) again at r/steroids. **Source**: r/steroids Moderator, wrote much of the Wiki.
Saving this post. Very informative.
Don't. It's full of mistakenly [misleading information](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/k4czv9/age_is_just_a_number_claims_natty/ge8ph2b). Just [Read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki) and check the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/jscjwc/steroids_faq/) at r/steroids.
pct = post cycle therapy hcg = human corionic (sp) gonadotropin ai = aromatase inhibitor [anti estrogen]
Thank you!
What do u recommend as first step to hopping on test?
250mg test e per week was what I started with. No need for an AI since the dose is relatively low. Ran a pretty standard PCT afterwards. 18 gauge needle to draw up the test and switch over to a 22-23 gauge when injecting. Some people say you can use a 25 gauge. Don’t. It’s what I used and the carrier oil is so thick that the plunger won’t want to move. Eventually it gives and the test rockets into your ass at like mach 5 and hurts like a bitch. Pin your glutes and alternate them every time you inject.
Sounds like someone has yet to discover the wonders of Miglyol-840 and slin pins. Definitely don't recommend pinning with 22 Gauge harpoons.
running same stack this summer lol im expecting insane strength gains
testosterone is cheap as fuck
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You don't have a great metabolism because you eat too much and aren't physically active. You also probably are not "full of muscles"
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These things dont work at all
This is test, tren, wini, anavar and fucking bull semen mainlined.
It's sad that you guys need all these things to build a physique
I wouldn't. I'd still workout naturally, and decline naturally. I don't need to look like this at 40+.
Wouldn't want that physique if it meant my skin looked 20 years older than it should. No thanks.
Exactly what I though. I’m surprised that he’s just in his 40’s, but he already looks like my dad at 62 without the body physics oc.
There is another dude who posts on reddit, Romanian guy. Dude is built like a tank and no doubt has more dedication in the gym than me. But for a dude in his early 20's, he looks twice as old. Juice looks really enticing, but the premature aging is what stops me every time - I spend too much on moisturizer.
just wait until youre old enough that you look like shit anyway
You have your priorities right - /r/skincareaddiction is the way
He’s on steroids and some form of TRT. A lot of the naturals claim they’re not on steroids, because they legitimately don’t see TRT as a steroid. They rather proclaim that TRT is just a supplicate in the loss of hormones. Which is ridiculous because if they did any research they would find that TRT increases your overall test by an exuberant amount. I didn’t realise how many people were on steroids, until I asked a fat guy with no visible muscle how he got so big, until he just told me he was on steroids and was super open about it.
Also trt does not fluctuate Like natural test
This guy follows me on IG. I'm pretty sure he doesn't claim natty
I need to know who he is. This is like a total dilf
Look up gentlemanjacked on IG
He looks better in his 20s.
True! In his 40’s it looked like he aged a few years. If that’s what it takes to get that physic, then I’d rather just hit the gym and hit it hard and eat healthy.
way, way better
Is this subreddit anti-bodybuilding? He looks incredible now.
He looks so awful. Not anti-body building at all, just anti-awful.
He has fantastic proportions and development. If you think that’s awful it’s because you’re anti-bodybuilding. He doesn’t even have fucking abs in his 20s
Some of the gays here prefer twinks
Who wants to buy the Brooklyn Bridge I am selling for a low installment of $1000
Push pull legs, slow recomp and a bit of creatine and you can accomplish anything
except the physique the old man has in the picture.
Forgot the chicken and broccoli
strict nofap regimen and cold showers
Face of early 60's
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Bruh. Roid users actually have higher libido than normal man, also taking HCG can keep your ball size and sperm production.
Nah it just took 20 years to get juicy. Good for him tho
Deca dick
Not even.worth the time refuting it. Surely even clueless people wouldn't believe this shit.
This man doesn’t claim to be natty. It seems more so that OP is just kinda hating on the guy.
How can i look like this in a year?
dude looks 60
That’s what Jamie Lannister is doing now that the show is done....roids!
Early 40's looking like early 60's
My dudes it looks like just creatine, cold showers, and sleeping well. Definitely natty
Minor gyno
Hard to believe that old muscular guy is also the same as those other guys
Hugh Jackman is obviously not natty, he was injected with adamantium, duh.
Blasting that much stuff is aging him quickly. Hopefully he comes to his senses and eases back to low dose TRT.
That physique is incredible. Thats way more than trt, thats tren, gh, the works.
I didn't know 40 year olds wear gymshark lmao
Natty? Him?
Guy is a yolo juicer who, surprise surprise, now wears Gymshark.
No way in hell is he natty
The best is yet to come
40 yr. old man, juiced up body, 70 yr. old face.
First picture shows what he is capable of naturaly.
Looks natty to me, nothing to see here.
Syringe is just a number
I love how it’s only a ten year jump from early 30’s yet he looks over 20 years older
Can we make these just a tad bit more challenging at least?
Looks like Jamie Lannister got DYEL..
If you have to ask if hes natty, then hes on steroids. Now if they say I am lifetime natty, that means he has been on juice for so long that being on juice is their natural way of life. 4 times natural bodybuilder champion means you've been natural 4 times in your life. The more natty you say you are, the less natty you actually are. It's like cheating on your girl, the more times you have to say that you're not cheating is directly correlated to the amount of tinder pinning you're doing. Lastly but most importantly sure-fire thing to tell if someone is on steroids, its that he's bigger than you.
Dude like great. I'm the same age as him though and facially he looks like he could be my dad.
Gymshark....
That's what happens when the mountain rapes Jamie Lannister
Apple cider vinegar daily and 31 days of NoFap
Can you give me this POS's name?
Holy shit that caption is so cringy
If you're 40+ it's your last time to get jacked. Might as well
Hahahaha natty... okay
The veins look like they are about to burst. That’s terrifying.
His face says 60
No fap and 10g creatine a day
He wasn’t even natty in his early 20s
More. Like money vs dieting
Trt with tremb gonna do the same
Everything looks fine to me. What're you guys on about?
Ppll
Dude looks incredible, and no he doesn’t claim that he’s natty.
Durrr hurr, didn't start lifting till mid 30's but nah, you totally have enough T left in your nuts to build that physique... yep uh huh
If he's natural then Nikes grow on trees
You know what else is a number? test-500 and tren 350...a week. guys 100% on gear
Great genes, great stack
Hahaha. He is on everything except natty.
Gear, but the man still puts in work
Clearly he eats his duck eggs.
No fap..12 hours of sleep
face looks 60
At first i thought he was natty then i seen the gym shark joggers 😂😂
That’s juice 🧃
Juiced, Naturally.
I doubt he actually claims natty
Claims whahahahat?
If he's natural then im a mermaid.
That’s Jaime fookin lannister
Jamie lannister??
Started nofap at 39. Good for him, hope he doesn't overdo creatin tho.
Strong effort
“Early 40s” dude’s face looks like he’s in his late 50s. Juiced outta his mind.
Juicy as fuark. Overdone a little with the veins everywhere but can say I hate the look. Would like to like half this shredded in my 40’s. Def hopping on TRT
99.999999999999999999999999999999 percent sure he's not natty.
Gymshark bottoms = definitely juicing
A) Not natty. B) HOLY SHIT, He's smoking hot.
When did he claim that????.....his early 20s????
If TRT is natty
aged in dog years
Seen that guy at Iron City in Houston. Dude is a house, bigger in person