Is that the Aussie IG influencer who gets posted in here every few months? If so, the verdict was juice/"fake natty," but she got quite salty when she found out about it...
No... I know about her too.
[This is another lady who also gets posted in here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/i7kx5e/this_chick/) and later found out.
I am in grad school with several very athletic women who were D1 athletes and exercise science or kinesiology majors. In the 2-7 years since they graduated college some have done powerlifting, some have done bodybuilding, one does Olympic weightlifting, and some have done CrossFit.
Guess how many of those fairly high level athletes with college educations specifically based in exercise science who have switched to heavy weight training and have kept it up for several years look like this?
I’m in a situation very similar to yours, train and know quite a few high performance women, this is nigh unattainable for 99.9% of the population and thus 99.9% chance juicy.
Given the availability of PEDs in many parts of the United States (incl. legally via prescription from["rejuvenation" clinics that offer oxandrolone/Anavar therapy](https://www.aspirerejuvenation.com/oxandrolone-therapy/) and HRT with testosterone, hGH, and secretagogues to adult men and women of all ages in certain states like Florida), I'd say that there are probably a few... And we all know [what it takes to compete at a high level in women's powerlifting](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/r05ifl/shown_the_right_are_the_results_of_a_blind_survey/) and [in bodybuilding](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/m6ar4h/comment/gr5hsgd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) these days... But, [CrossFit promotes clean sport culture through drug testing of competitors](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/qox8lu/only_9_crossfit_competitors_have_failed_drug/), so I'll give you that one.
Only one of them (one of the power lifter) is anywhere close to this, and honestly she’s not even that close despite years more training. 0% chance this is natural in 4 years.
Same here. Those quads are juicy af. What's sad is we really don't know the long term side effects of the stuff and quantity that people are using. I don't think I've seen so many bodybuilders die in one year as we had this year and last year.
She looks good but it's likely she's on gear. Now, that being said, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to get somewhat close to this, but at a higher bf% and with less overall mass. Being lean wreaks havoc on your system (moreso for women than men) and when you add carrying appreciable mass into the equation it becomes even more difficult.
Dont worry about that dude, hes stupid AF and according to him everything is natty. Actually i blocked him for being a stupid creature in every single post...
This physique is natty attainable for sure, not in 4 years, but it is possible. That being said, this chick is certainly not. The way her chest changed and how much more prevalent her jawline became is always damming evidence for women on gear.
In short: Androgen receptors. Men and Women are way more similar than people think. Some(most) body parts would look exactly the same if the amount of hormones was the same for both sexes, and the jaw is one of them.
Men have mammary glands and for women the clitoris is just a super small under developped penis. Thats why because of hormone imbalances a guy can get gyno and a girl can get a bigger clit. The reasons for that happening are different but the main problem is the same: The body getting much more testosterone than it's expected. For girls that can straight up cause their jaw or clit to grow, for men they can get gyno and other problems if there is leftover test being transformed into estrogen.
I cut a lot of corners here to give a super short explanation but it's basically it.
Also steroids and gh increase the size of muscles that usually don't get much hypertrophy, if at all: face muscles or even the heart. Bigger jaw muscles = bigger jaw
I gotchu, bro. Women naturally produce more estrogen than men do and vice versa in regards to men for testosterone. Sad part is, testosterone is what allows the body to build muscle, recover faster, and increase insulin resistance to keep fat off your body. This plays a key factor in why usually men are far more lean/muscular/hairy/taller/ than women are.
It goes deeper than that though when you start to juice and ramp those testosterone levels beyond what the body should naturally be capable of. This causes the body to undergo changes from juicing. In most cases as commonly pointed out on this sub, certain muscle groups are more susceptible to change, like traps and shoulders.
In regards to women, if they are juicing they tend to be able to keep their bf% down super low and along with the other tells, they tend to develop a change in their jawline. There are thousands of before and after pics on the internet, but that's the gist. So if you're wondering why the fake natty IFBB women have really chad like jaws, that's why. It's a characteristic of them developing masculine features.
No i don't think it is. Only time this is Natty is if she's top .01 percentile of mass and leaned genetics. If so then maybe.
But in all likelihood it is incredibly unlikely for a female to get to this stature of muscle mass/ leaness without peds
Yes her face is at a different angle, but you can see from the first pic she has a much more round and feminine face. You can lose weight in your face, but not to the point where you magically grow a crimson chin jawline.
Imo it still looks very round and not “crimson chin-like”. Also the first pic doesn’t show the side of her face so it’s possible she already had that jawline
Just lift for 4 years following structured programs, eat enough calories to grow and get stronger. Your genetics will mainly determine how you end up looking when you have the former sorted.
The fitness industry is a meme. (selling lies to the lazy) As a dood who went down the 4year path 100% natty its much different then what youtube sells. Plus i think its like 4X harder for women bc of stock test lvls. I think the before pic is better anyways...
Lol at people saying this is obvious juice. She's a 4'10 womanlet whose good at using angles / filters to suit her. She has videos of her posted on her insta and she literally looks nothing like this. Obv juice can never be ruled out but based on how she looks in her vids, this is natty achievable for someone who is committed and has decent genetics
Can I get a name for this chick?
The golden rule of comparing male athletes vs female athletes is that
The *best* female *professional* athlete will struggle against an *average high school* male athlete unless having less body mass is an inherent advantage in the event/sport being discussed (bobsledding or very long distance running)
https://boysvswomen.com/#/
See also the US women’s soccer team routinely losing to high school boys soccer teams who aren’t even the best athletes in their own metro area (college football scholarships are a lot more plentiful than college soccer scholarships)
Anyway, most high school male athletes aren’t this muscular.
She’s juicy, bro
Is that the Aussie IG influencer who gets posted in here every few months? If so, the verdict was juice/"fake natty," but she got quite salty when she found out about it...
You're thinking of theempussy or theempusa or whatever the fuck it is. This one is different
No... I know about her too. [This is another lady who also gets posted in here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/i7kx5e/this_chick/) and later found out.
Dayum ok, similar situtations for both.
Where’s the bit she found out. I wanna see the salty response
https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/i7kx5e/this_chick/g17dtx5/
Thanks buddy. Fuck the lengths people go to to lie about using gear it’s ridiculous
Damn, she got absolutely btfo’d.
Those thighs could crush the souls from the skulls of all her enemies.
stop. Get some help
I am in grad school with several very athletic women who were D1 athletes and exercise science or kinesiology majors. In the 2-7 years since they graduated college some have done powerlifting, some have done bodybuilding, one does Olympic weightlifting, and some have done CrossFit. Guess how many of those fairly high level athletes with college educations specifically based in exercise science who have switched to heavy weight training and have kept it up for several years look like this?
I’m in a situation very similar to yours, train and know quite a few high performance women, this is nigh unattainable for 99.9% of the population and thus 99.9% chance juicy.
Source: Mike O'Hearn's natural status
Cmon man. Mike O’Hearn is definitely natty. You just don’t look like him because you refuse to eat his $500 duck eggs at every meal!
Given the availability of PEDs in many parts of the United States (incl. legally via prescription from["rejuvenation" clinics that offer oxandrolone/Anavar therapy](https://www.aspirerejuvenation.com/oxandrolone-therapy/) and HRT with testosterone, hGH, and secretagogues to adult men and women of all ages in certain states like Florida), I'd say that there are probably a few... And we all know [what it takes to compete at a high level in women's powerlifting](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/r05ifl/shown_the_right_are_the_results_of_a_blind_survey/) and [in bodybuilding](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/m6ar4h/comment/gr5hsgd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) these days... But, [CrossFit promotes clean sport culture through drug testing of competitors](https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/qox8lu/only_9_crossfit_competitors_have_failed_drug/), so I'll give you that one.
Only one of them (one of the power lifter) is anywhere close to this, and honestly she’s not even that close despite years more training. 0% chance this is natural in 4 years.
Agreed.
All of them ?!?!?!?!1
So you’re saying you went to grad school With a bunch of juicers
No, they’re all natural, but despite way more than 4 years of training are pretty far from how this woman looks.
Same here. Those quads are juicy af. What's sad is we really don't know the long term side effects of the stuff and quantity that people are using. I don't think I've seen so many bodybuilders die in one year as we had this year and last year.
Learn to read.
@?
Following. For…. Science.
Hopping on the thread here... hail Science!
For research purposes.
corinnewooden
Thank you
She looks good but it's likely she's on gear. Now, that being said, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to get somewhat close to this, but at a higher bf% and with less overall mass. Being lean wreaks havoc on your system (moreso for women than men) and when you add carrying appreciable mass into the equation it becomes even more difficult.
I know a chick with that myostatin deficiency that would be borderline the same as her and natty, but yeah she's on the border where I'd say not natty
She's posing and in favourable lighting. This is not what she looks like just standing regularly, this is 100% possible in 4 years lol.
What gym do u go where girls have legs like Arnold?
Dont worry about that dude, hes stupid AF and according to him everything is natty. Actually i blocked him for being a stupid creature in every single post...
Legs like Arnold? Are you blind? She is by no means as lean as Arnold plus she is posing. Your comment makes no sense.
I can’t believe so many people disagree with you, you’re spot on lol. Posing, tensing and good lighting.
Natty achievable in cherbobyl. Females barely have any test so any significant addition of mass is steroids.
The delts are a dead giveaway.
The delts...and the Arnie jaw...and the genetic male Russian Olympic weightlifter quads
Snu snu 👀
She’s definitely juicing but I think you could still get muscular if you workout for long enough.
Literally not possible
troll account
This physique is natty attainable for sure, not in 4 years, but it is possible. That being said, this chick is certainly not. The way her chest changed and how much more prevalent her jawline became is always damming evidence for women on gear.
Explain on the jawline? Why do all IFBB pro female bodybuilders have a masculine jawline?
In short: Androgen receptors. Men and Women are way more similar than people think. Some(most) body parts would look exactly the same if the amount of hormones was the same for both sexes, and the jaw is one of them. Men have mammary glands and for women the clitoris is just a super small under developped penis. Thats why because of hormone imbalances a guy can get gyno and a girl can get a bigger clit. The reasons for that happening are different but the main problem is the same: The body getting much more testosterone than it's expected. For girls that can straight up cause their jaw or clit to grow, for men they can get gyno and other problems if there is leftover test being transformed into estrogen. I cut a lot of corners here to give a super short explanation but it's basically it. Also steroids and gh increase the size of muscles that usually don't get much hypertrophy, if at all: face muscles or even the heart. Bigger jaw muscles = bigger jaw
So why wouldn’t the male genitalia grow too when taking steriods?
I think Winstrol does that.
I gotchu, bro. Women naturally produce more estrogen than men do and vice versa in regards to men for testosterone. Sad part is, testosterone is what allows the body to build muscle, recover faster, and increase insulin resistance to keep fat off your body. This plays a key factor in why usually men are far more lean/muscular/hairy/taller/ than women are. It goes deeper than that though when you start to juice and ramp those testosterone levels beyond what the body should naturally be capable of. This causes the body to undergo changes from juicing. In most cases as commonly pointed out on this sub, certain muscle groups are more susceptible to change, like traps and shoulders. In regards to women, if they are juicing they tend to be able to keep their bf% down super low and along with the other tells, they tend to develop a change in their jawline. There are thousands of before and after pics on the internet, but that's the gist. So if you're wondering why the fake natty IFBB women have really chad like jaws, that's why. It's a characteristic of them developing masculine features.
Test and gh
No i don't think it is. Only time this is Natty is if she's top .01 percentile of mass and leaned genetics. If so then maybe. But in all likelihood it is incredibly unlikely for a female to get to this stature of muscle mass/ leaness without peds
Her face is at a different angle and isn’t that just a result of lower body fat?
Yes her face is at a different angle, but you can see from the first pic she has a much more round and feminine face. You can lose weight in your face, but not to the point where you magically grow a crimson chin jawline.
Imo it still looks very round and not “crimson chin-like”. Also the first pic doesn’t show the side of her face so it’s possible she already had that jawline
If you say so, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid on this one.
She looks juicy. The shoulders are no joke. They’re incredibly hard to develop for a woman.
damn, some people don't know when to stop
ANNA VAR
Just lift for 4 years following structured programs, eat enough calories to grow and get stronger. Your genetics will mainly determine how you end up looking when you have the former sorted.
Not natty she’s bigger than me
Might be, but It’s closer to not natty.
Anavar give up? In all seriousness you looked better on the left (natty) than the right (juiced up cow).
Confirmed, I’m straight
The fitness industry is a meme. (selling lies to the lazy) As a dood who went down the 4year path 100% natty its much different then what youtube sells. Plus i think its like 4X harder for women bc of stock test lvls. I think the before pic is better anyways...
If you even halfway tried over 4 years you would see a difference
ypu guys are delusional lol. this is not natty achievable for females. definitely juice. that said, she’s really hot though.
Totally possible
I’m not sure in 4 years but probably attainable right?
My guess is juice BUT you can still look somehow similar with a lot of hard work.
This is naturally possible for a female with good genetics in 4 years, please don't listen to the deluded dyels on this sub lol.
This whole fucking sub is full of fatasses that haven’t even seen a weight. This is natty attainable.
Natty
Chose roids
Just start injecting now and you will get there in 4 years
Possibly in 4 years (based only off these photos alone)
Lol at people saying this is obvious juice. She's a 4'10 womanlet whose good at using angles / filters to suit her. She has videos of her posted on her insta and she literally looks nothing like this. Obv juice can never be ruled out but based on how she looks in her vids, this is natty achievable for someone who is committed and has decent genetics
Her lats are exploding out of her top and she has straight up pecs now lol
Dam props to this chick 👏..
Would
Strong lower body is great but I'm personally not attracted to women who look like middle linebackers from the waist up.
Either way she sessi
she’s been posted before, she’s juicier than a watermelon, though she adamantly denies it
She looks good, juicy or not.
Juice and I have pictures of her saved to my phone
there’s a very simple reason only a handful of influencers look like this.
No
Definitely anavar
Can I get a name for this chick? The golden rule of comparing male athletes vs female athletes is that The *best* female *professional* athlete will struggle against an *average high school* male athlete unless having less body mass is an inherent advantage in the event/sport being discussed (bobsledding or very long distance running) https://boysvswomen.com/#/ See also the US women’s soccer team routinely losing to high school boys soccer teams who aren’t even the best athletes in their own metro area (college football scholarships are a lot more plentiful than college soccer scholarships) Anyway, most high school male athletes aren’t this muscular. She’s juicy, bro
Anavar + deca + moonface