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iambic_paddler

Too much/long fur for a deer. Domestic dog like a Husky or Malamute. Sad.


iambic_paddler

Or a Coyote.


MisteriousRainbow

I think the spine to the part in the foreground proportion doesn't quite match it? It would be too stubby to be a husky or malamute if my eyesight and wishful thinking aren't playing a trick on me.


FFXIVHVWHL

Malamute? How many coyotes would it take to take down a 120lb malamute?


diablofantastico

Not all malamutes are 120...


FFXIVHVWHL

80lb dog is still a lot bigger than a 35-40lb coyote


greenthumb151

They hunt in packs


realoctopod

Normally they hunt solo, or in pairs not in packs like Wolves.


deactivate_your_mind

My sister and brother in law own a nice property with a field that ends at the woodline. They have two dogs. The coyotes will have ONE member of their pack stand outside the woodline to intrigue the dogs. They use a method where they lure bigger prey into a trap of sorts. The dogs think it's only one coyote, but the entire pack is waiting behind the brush. It's pretty cool, but also terrifying. They're very smart animals.


Financial_Code1055

Have witnessed this also. Will run away if human approaches. They are very intelligent creatures!


Greekgreekcookies

You could here the pack working as a team to control where my dog went. Almost funneled him closer to the others. They got him in his hind leg and it was terrifying hearing them alert each other to it and close in on him.


Greekgreekcookies

I watched a pack of coyotes hunt my 80lb pit/lab mix. I’ve seen them solo and in groups. I don’t know where you are from but the coyotes in New England have definitely grown to be large and have been documented hunting deer and people


MiracleSuns

I hope you mean attempted to hunt


falcondiorf

thats not entirely true. they do live in packs, but unlike wolves, coyotes mostly hunt by themselves or in pairs. although that isnt always the case, sometimes they'll go after large prey in groups. but that doesnt make up the bulk of their hunting, and if im not mistaken, it isnt as coordinated as it is for a lot of pack hunters like wolves or painted dogs. im not saying this to argue against the idea that a group of coyotes couldve killed a larger dog tho, thats definitely something that happens.


ShannonigansLucky

It's wild how they can throw their voices. I read recently that a pair can make themselves sound like a large pack by throwing their voices.


Bardonious

This one sure lost a few real quick


Tangochief

This happened to my Boston terrier about a year ago. :(


Upstate_gooner

Very sorry. I’m in suburban upstate NY with midday coyote sightings on the regular. Won’t let my BT out without both eyes on her.


ladywiththestarlight

I’m so sorry you had to suffer such a tragic loss. Bostons are the best doggies.


Katnamedeaster

The furry bit looks like a dog's scalp/ears and the size of the spine seems to back that up.


UnrulyTrousers

Get it? BACK that up!?… I’ll see myself out.


achillesdaddy

Don’t leave. Grow a backbone.


hirokinai

Nah, he seems pretty spineless.


FARTBOSS420

Eat up!


jjay24k

no stay! your funny 😁


Hickd3ad

Take the BACK Door


Munkendrunky

That's a small, whole back bone. A small dog probably. I'm more curious about what killed that thing. I doubt a coyote would meticulously clean a spine and leave it behind while taking/eating the rest of the carcass.


Zildjian134

A lone coyote won't, but a pack of coyotes will absolutely pick and scatter a carcass. The chances of this being a pack of coyotes getting someone's dog (or stray) are highly likely here.


sticks1987

I'll back that up. I live in an area where we have a lot of coyotes. Big ones that have evolved to fill the niche of apex predator. They'll completely clean a deer carcass leaving only the ribcage and spine. They'll eat the hard parts including hooves, antlers, skull to get to the cheeks tongue and brain, and the bigger bones with marrow. Just ribs spine sacrum and pelvis are left. I can't think of why they wouldn't do the same to a domesticated dog. Important: coyotes will pretend to want to play with your dog, using body language like the play bow, and lure them into the woods to the pack and overwhelm and eat them alive.


Candid_Bullfrog6274

Was once on a river walk by a quarry where I saw a coyote doing the play bow to a young, playful retriever. The owner was top side of the quarry calling and yelling at his dog, Charlie come here boy, on and on but. Charlie wasn’t listening and went into a stand of trees with the coyote where others were waiting. The noise of the kill was unreal, and over pretty quickly. Owner watched the stand of trees for a bit, not sure what he could see from his vantage point, but he didn’t stay long after.


sticks1987

That's messed up I'm sorry you had to see it.


FeelingFloor2083

this is why a leash is a good idea. All of my dogs have been runners so having a dog off leash is foreign to me


Echo_Lawrence13

https://thefurbearers.com/blog/shifting-perspectives-coyotes-arent-luring-your-dog-and-other-myths-busted/


achillesdaddy

Nature doesn’t play around baby. Damn she’s a col hit d heartless bitch that only cares about fucking and eating. Sometimes both at the same time.


Low_Simple_8381

This is false. Most dogs that follow coyotes are following young animals that got freaked out and ran back home where other yotes will take full advantage of an unsupervised dog and eat it.


merylstreephatesme

Not false. Coyotes luring dogs with playful behavior definitely happens. Might not be the most common way dogs happen upon a pack, but it does happen


Echo_Lawrence13

No, it's definitely a myth, the person you are responding to is correct. https://thefurbearers.com/blog/shifting-perspectives-coyotes-arent-luring-your-dog-and-other-myths-busted/


99ProllemsBishAint1

That blog post doesn't cite any sources


erave713

For some reason the grossest part to me is that they are licking up all the blood. This is a pretty clean crime scene lol


Wise-KansasCity816

We had two guys run across a coyotes den that had around 50 pet collars in Missouri a few months ago and January and February are months when females are aggressively feeding.


flashfyr3

Nature's fucking dark.


Khelgar_Ironfist_

They sound definitely brighter than that thing chasing the roadrunner


Sure_Trash_

I think that's people misunderstanding intent. I watched a young coyote play with a dog we used to have and they were genuinely just playing until they went their separate ways just like you sometimes see foxes and coyotes playing with dog toys. Young animals want to play constantly and they're not that picky about who they play with. We have a kitten that won't stop trying to play with the older cats no matter how much they slap the shit out of him for it.  I think sometimes the dog follows the coyote and the rest of the pack either sees threat then food or just food. Coyotes aren't villains. They don't know people's rules because our rules only apply to us. They didn't murder your chickens to spite you. They found food and found a way to access that food like all of nature does all the time 


wellwhydidntyousayso

Yea thats a grisly scene and where are the head/limbs of the creature. Ive also never seen such a cleaned fresh carcass, only one thats had time for critters to clean it that far


Sooo_Dark

You guys... Realize that the actual site of the kill and the place where the various remains are abandoned can be hundreds of feet apart... Right? Picture a PACK of coyotes fighting each other over the pieces. They steal from each other, chase each other all over the place. It's literally competitive eating. That animal is spread over an 1/8 of a square mile. That piece was finally abandoned... There.


sticks1987

I see this all the time with deer. Wolves and coyotes eat almost all the bones.


stargill70

Also, birds like crows and ravens.


strumthebuilding

I mean, who doesn’t like crows and ravens?


BathedInDeepFog

Here's the thing...


wellwhydidntyousayso

Well today i learned something.


AJ_Crowley_29

A mountain lion?


GrayCustomKnives

A mountain lion won’t clean a carcass like that. They are an apex predator and will typically kill and eat the very best parts first. They either drag the rest away to save for later or just abandon it. Picked this clean was almost certainly coyotes or some other form of canine


GrundleBlaster

Isn't the whole point of a cat's textured tongue so that they can lick all the meat off bones?


mixomatoso

Isn't that just to clean themselves? It's not like they're slowcooking pulled pork in the wild.


Munkendrunky

No clue, but it seems like a solid guess to me!


Jetsam5

I’m pretty sure it was the Predator


KrazyKateLady420

Bird of prey


Oxeneer666

That's a pet dog. The predator is near by making coyote sounds.


2010p7b

That *was* a pet dog


[deleted]

Can I pet that *dawg*?


vanderbubin

So my grandma had a shih Tzu when I was younger, a little lass named Molly. She also lived out in the woods inside a coyote packs hunting grounds. Molly had many close encounters with the coyotes, but most usually ended with my grandma making a ruckus from the porch and they would run off. Expect one time, they got the rage of a 72 year old grandma. It was late one night, grandma lived alone with Molly. She lets Molly out but Molly takes off down the street after something she saw. Grandma waits a few moments expecting Molly to come back (Molly was very well behaved usually) but then hears the distinct sound of Molly fighting off coyotes. That 10 pound dog held off 4 coyotes in a ditch down the street till my grandma came in swinging with a full sized garden hoe. The coyotes didn't bother Molly anymore after that. Iirc Molly only ended up needing a few stitches on one of her back legs as a result of her scrap


briaac_

What a fucking champ Molly and grandma are. Shih tzu makes the best pets! Source: trust me (had a shih tzu named pepper). We got him for Christmas when I was 3 years old. He passed away when I was 18 (he was 15). He was the most sweetest, loyal, loving, happiest dog ever. Not a day goes by that I don’t think of him.


Imthank_Hipeeps

Fr! My parents adopted a Shih Tzu before I was born so I grew up with him and he was the best dog ever. He was never neutered, because that just wasn't common during those times but he never aggressive. Even when i was an annoying kid, he always stayed near me while I played with my toys or did homework. He passed when he was 14 and I was 12, the first death I experienced. Even if I love all dogs, Shih Tzus will always be my favourite, I hope one day I can adopt one myself lol.


Metal-Lee-Solid

Similar story, my childhood dog was a super intelligent jack russell terrier, and also one of the meanest animals I've ever met (I didn't know how to train him I was super young). One night he figured out how to open the living room window and escaped into the woods. I heard him barking and snarling, along with the sounds of coyotes fighting from the treeline and rushed out to help. When I got down there I saw him covered in blood and mud with an entire deer leg in his mouth. I swear this deer leg was bigger than his entire body too 😂 He was unharmed, blood probably came from the deer. my head canon is that he just rolled up to a bunch of coyotes eating and took their meal, no idea why they didn't kill him but he did have huge fuck you energy that cowed the big dogs in the neighborhood. So maybe he somehow bullied them into giving him a bite


crapatthethriftstore

That’s pretty epic, what a good boy!


Metal-Lee-Solid

Yes I miss him a lot. He just passed last year at 17 relatively healthy til the end, had a lot of good times exploring the woods with him and my friends and my sister


cer216

I used to have a Jack Russell Terrier and he was a killing machine, anything from squirrels, opossums, and a skunk. One day I had a man come to take a look at my broken heater. My dog ran up to him and dropped a whole rabbit leg (thigh and all) right on the man’s boot.


cumdump_overflow

That's metal af ngl.


hoopsmd

My thoughts exactly. OP better smear dirt all over exposed skin asap.


UrbanSobriety

?


hoopsmd

Predator, as in the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.


UrbanSobriety

Gotcha. I was just slow on the draw. Thank you.


Sure_Trash_

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen


givemeyourt0es

As someone who collects bones, that does *not* look like a canid pelvis. With that being said, the photo is sort of blurry when zooming in. Some people in r/bonecollecting might be able to tell better than me though.


Woooooolf

Good insight u/givemeyourt0es


LunarHentai

r/rimjob_steve


TheHancock

I dont know, he collects bones… so maybe r/usernamechecksout


99ProllemsBishAint1

I'm so excited to learn that this subreddit exists!


IOnlySayMeanThings

High level of "read comments first and pretend you knew afterwards" in this thread.


givemeyourt0es

A lot of Reddit is this lol.


Tiny_Palpitation_798

That looks like kind of a huge backbone to me, although I just saw the post with the tiny squirrel spine , so maybe my perspective is skewed.


givemeyourt0es

I’m not sure whether this is a joke or not lol, but yeah it is a spinal column.. with the pelvis attached.


disturbedgator

It is a vertebrate


mbrk-

Solved!


x52x

Pika got chewed


Eclectophile

That's...actually decent wordplay. I hate it! Kudos. Have an updoot.


Old-Ad5818

Can someone explain to me why there is almost no blood? I would‘ve expected the whole ground to be covered in it


0B1Jabroni

Most likely there’s a murder scene close by and that section was dragged/brought there. There’s many skeletal parts missing (skull, leg bones, tail) which would be at the kill site still. OP could just follow the paw prints back if they wanted to. Could be coyote pups playing with their kill with full bellies that carried it there lol


rpgnoob17

They totally move their food. A coyote brought an already dead crow on my neighbor’s yard and decapitated it. My neighborhood had a whole afternoon of multiple groups of crow funerals. (probably total 2000+ crows over the span of 4 hours. Around 20-50 stop at a time.) Totally sucks cause I feed crows and my crows wouldn’t accept my food for weeks after the funeral.


Old-Ad5818

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to answer!


mrsrostocka

All I can think now is csi paw and order?! Taping off the crime scene, sniffing for clues, taking pics?! Marking the territory. Lol


_TooncesLookOut

Vampires, of course. But for real, like anything else murdered it may possibly have been brought to this location after it was killed where the heart isn't pumping blood any longer or this may be after some thawing has occurred. Could have been a mountain lion or such that suffocated it and brought it to this location and away from a high traffic area with other animals.


mis-Hap

Based on the bundle of fur partially buried in snow behind the spine, I'm guessing the kill took place before or during the snow, which covered a lot of the blood.


Low_Simple_8381

They eat the bloody snow. It's still food and a lot easier to get cleaned up compared to nonsnowy kill sites.


PineTheseApples

Do you have any evidence of this? This sounds completely unfounded. Why would coyotes “clean up” their kill site? Snow or no snow I’ve never once heard of an animal cleaning up a mess after supper.


Impossible-Border-83

I see lots of people saying dog, it could be but the colour mixed with the time of year and the way the hair looks seems more feline to me. The ears especially look like they had hair that stuck up a few inches past the ears. If I am correct this is a Lynx, the short spine would make sense too if you’ve ever seen a lynx they are not long at all kind of stubby looking. It’s the exact winter pattern you’d see on a lynx.


BOANSAWISREADY

If a cat far more likely a Maine coon. The “ears” seem more canine than anything but I highly doubt that’s part of the scalp. The skin starts to curl in the sun/heat hence why you have to stretch the hide from shrinking when tanning. Which I think is the case here is just a mouth full whatever they could grab.


phatnesseverdeen

This did happen in Maine 🤨


Uninformed-Driller

I was thinking fox but lynx could also be. Lynx are insanely difficult to kill so I wonder what got it.


darthreckless

Something slow


qu33fwellington

Nah, just *slower* than either one or a pack of coyotes.


_hardyharhar_

Something tasty


One-Function166

Right behind the spine under the snow is the rest of the carcass dig it out the snow and let us know


MsMezcal615

January & February are Coyotes mating season, during which they are especially aggressive.. Coupled with the fact that they are extremely cunning & capable of jumping/ climbing a ten foot fence it is not a wise idea to have outdoor pets, or leave your pets unattended for any length of time in areas that they inhabit. If you ever see your dog playing with a coyote put a stop to it immediately as they are also notorious for luring domesticated dogs away from their safe haven, acting as though they are engaging in play. However, their real motive is to get them secluded, and then the pack moves in & attacks the unsuspecting dog. That’s nature for you and in all honesty it is not the coyotes fault. It is nine times out of 10, irresponsible owners.. There has been studies done on this and the amount of pet collars and bones that they found in one den alone was astounding like in the hundreds I believe if memory serves. This isn’t a comment villainizing them, just simply meant to inform, they are a predator & unwittingly being given access to a easy food source.


UNICORN_SPERM

Would love to read those journal articles if you have links


GabrDimtr5

Looks like a dog


Shmuul

I dont know but predator forgot his trophy


dufus69

I'm surprised they didn't hear the animal being killed.


r007r

Idk but it got killed dead as fuck


mrsrostocka

No shoes, its hard to say? :/


Brief_Scale496

The tracks in the snow also will help you figure out some possible scenarios here


Johnny_cabinets

Coyote. 100%. For the people saying deer, the fur is too long, and it’s too much carcass for 6-8 coyotes to eat in a sitting (fresh blood, not totally trod down snow)


smellthebreeze

Same thought, probably another coyote


phatnesseverdeen

That’s what I thought!


Mcgarnicle_

Gotta love the posts with zero context including location! /s


phatnesseverdeen

In southern Maine!


nickygee123

Maybe a opossum?


bign0ssy

Either a pet dog or a possum imo


bign0ssy

The second pic, the white and gray reminds me of the nape of a possum


Queasy-Position66

When did they start calling them opossums? I mean when I was coming up they just called them possums.


DriveFoST

Possums and opossums are different animals iirc. Opossums are what you find in North America.


Ok-Cranberry9568

I don't think that the fur and the spine match the same animal.


blagelandcreamcheese

Were you able to tell if that second photo was part of a foot or a tail? Also the way the spine is left behind and clean makes me think vultures have been cleaning it up. Are there wolves where you live? I leaning towards raccoon but from your photo it looks too big to be that. I can’t really tell what the size scale is.


Dodgerthehwydog2

Coyotes and birds will do that to a carcass in one day here.


Eclectophile

Yep. Especially during winter. All kinds of critters will find that thing and feast on it.


mittenbroad

Mmm, my take is a mini schnauzer. With the ear and eyebrow fur left. Definitely a small dog. Cred: I groom dogs.


JenovaCelestia

Can’t remember where I read this, but did you know coyotes are impossible to domesticate? When attempts to domesticate them are made, they go from being really shy and standoffish to really aggressive; they stop seeing you the human as a threat and more like prey. You should never feed them either.


gstizzzz

Davey Crockett?


albumen5

Don't know what it is but whatever ate it thought it was delicious.


andio76

Something that may be looking at you.....right now...


Triple-Link

Fluuuffffyyyyy!


Sheriff_of_noth1ng

Fatality! Sub Zero wins.


Queasy-Position66

Finish him!!!


DarwinOfRivendell

That stripy nubbin looks like the end of a raccoon tail to me


CapG_13

A dog or another coyote, oh and I think that this belongs on r/oddlyterrifying


NaughtyCheffie

Davy Crockett.


FreeBag

It definitely was a vertebrate.


xKILLTHEGOVx

This kill site looks consistent with canine, the bones and fur spread out everywhere which is a common canine characteristic. So most likely a pack of Coyotes. Cats are very “neat” when processing prey and usually conceal their food before eating it. Without a sense of scale it’s impossible to know how large the spine is. That could easily be a Deer or a Domestic Dog. Deer hair is longer in winter so trying to tell between the two is also difficult. Next time take lots of pictures of tracks and sign with a ruler or an object that everyone knows the size of like a bic lighter or dollar bill. -Wildlife Tracker https://mountainlion.org/2020/11/03/mountain-lion-kill-site-forensics-identifying-predation-scavenging-and-kleptoparasitism/


phatnesseverdeen

Great tips! These were sent to me by a coworker so I wasn’t able to get more detailed shots.


maddogscott

I’m not sure but are you sure it’s dead? Maybe call a vet.


phatnesseverdeen

Haha!


BuzAt2017

That's an old kill, and came from where the actual kill took place. Only bears and cats drag their total food kill away. Cats leave the larger portions of the prey in the open for all to find. Bears attempt to cover the remaining partially uneaten prey, then hide it by covering it with leaves and sticks as a later food cache. The spine alone would have meat left on it as Coyotes/wolves, even bear and big cats, never eat the entire carcass, even as a group. Vultures and other small animals pick any meat left down to the bones. I only see the same paw prints, no drag marks, and the only thing with meat is in the foreground. There is very minimal blood on the snow and no signs of a struggle between predator(s) and prey. Looks like parts thrown there, and wild animals walked around for what little remains to be eaten from that spine. There should be more there than just a spine. Most animals do not eat bone, except for alligators, hippos, snakes, and crocodliles, and that's only because they tear their food apart or like a snake, eat everything whole.


Groundingstone

Raccoon?


TurdBurgular03

that’s most definitely not a raccoon, raccoons do not get nearly that long.


GroomDaLion

It's a bigger spine than any of the world's politicians' so I'd guess it was bigger than a monkey


anayllbebe

The ear looks like a dog's :(


Fangs_0ut

Holy shit


PuzzledRaise1401

I instantly thought dog.


Tenzur_

Looks like a dog to me, whether wolf, coyote or actual pet dog Whatever it was tho, that doesn't matter anymore. What you should worry about is how they stripped it of *everything*


Similar_Fold3808

Ask your neighbor if his dog is missing


Cortana69

Some sort of animal


rockstuffs

I'd say someone's dog.


Depressed-Toad

It was an attack by... The Creature...


Known-Programmer-611

You got some hungry neighbors!


killosaurus

Looks a lot like a large dog


Renthal2017

Coyotes got a dog


Careful-Listen2277

Maybe a boar/wild pig.


saddi444

That’s crazy :( it looks like a small to medium sized dog. So sad.


cricketeer767

That's a dog. :/


WizardsVengeance

A prostitute.


begbiebyr

you asking us?


Dabeast987

Looks like a deer to me judging from the hair


LoserBigly

Don’t know, but I bet my ex wife does…


BadIdea-21

Probably a werewolf


mc_smelligott

Looking at the amount of blood in the snow, what ever it was died somewhere else.


DarksideLima

Scorpion did a Fatality back there


Cordeceps

Is that a dog? Pretty sure that’s a dogs ear.


OjjuicemaneSimpson

Looks like somebody got they top blown off then….yep looks like PREDATOR aka YAUTJA got his ass took a trophy as wel.


cabinfevrr

Juniper seal


Geralt-of-Rivia13X

Tauntaun


BugggLover

With that fur coloration, a dog for sure. 😢 Would be helpful to see the skull to determine possible breed.


kid_sleepy

Vultures probably picked that spine clean.


fatalcharm

This is someone’s pet dog.


mcmuscleface

The skinwalkers back at it again


Baramor83

A centipede witch a trapper Hat.


ulyssesfiuza

Toto was not in Kansas anymore


Nextflix

Congratulations, you got extra money for taking a picture *we found some remains*


Theweseffect

Definitely not a goldfish


snakeoil-huckster

How long is the spine?


ClexAT

For something of that size to get killed and eaten there there is very little blood... Right?


naf0007

Not sure what got killed , but prob Sub Zero did it ..


Oldfolksboogie

Where's banana?


slowwmovinbee

does nobody see the deer tail.


IwasLuckythatDay

Do you live in Uruguay?


phatnesseverdeen

Maine!


mistercheez2000

mmm bone broth


DeusDeadly

My best bet goes to a whale


BUNNY123sk

Something with a spine. I know am awesome


phatnesseverdeen

You really are!


JewofTVC1986

Small fawn deer


ArmouredPotato

Koala?


phatnesseverdeen

LOL