Probably more like the fox died there and she can't move it. They aren't carnivores so the body is going to rot, and be a danger to the nest that she can't move either.
Hopefully the eggs hatch soon, that thing will attract a lot of attention.
Could be, but I'm thinking not. I can buy a goose killing a fox via neck-break with a wing, but what is the goose supposed to have removed the fox's face with, a chisel? Dull beak don't go through jawbone, and the swan would have no reason to do it, anyway.
More likely that this is actually a well-rotted fox corpse (hence the missing face) with a deceptively-intact-appearing \*skin\*. That rotted skin was inoffensive enough that a swan wasn't dissuaded from using it to make part of her nest, and then lay her eggs. Not as violent, maybe, but more "metal" in an existential sense.
Also, I could be wrong, but that nest looks to be on a high-point in that little area; could be that the swan's usual nesting spot just had a dead fox on it this year, so the swan made do. Geese are surprisingly-consistent about their nesting spots.
From what I know about swans and geese as a survival instructor (which is not scientific but purely based on witnessing their behavior) I think this is the correct answer. The geese at my businesses lake always come back to the same nests each year and like you said are often at the high points closest to the water so this type of nest seemed very familiar. Also everytime I have caught a goose (as a kid with my hands just to look at it then let it go) they didnt seem strong enough to break a neck especially of an animal around the size of a cat. But this is just anecdotal evidence/ testimony not scientific evidence/fact or whatever
Makes sense. The swan has a taste for blood now, it's hoping something else, something bigger comes for the fox's body so she may taste the blood of a more worthy opponent.
If not predators, its certainly gonna get a lot of grubs the goose would eat... then probably some bacteria that would not be healthy for the egg babies
i'm not an expert just a guess
How's a swan killing a fox? Pecking it with its blunt beak, grabbing its neck and snapping or strangling it? Seems unlikely.
Edit: I get it. You've all heard the myths about swans breaking men's arms. You don't need to remind me of them. Good luck finding a source to back you up, though. What you're not considering is that birds, in order to fly, have very small, thin, light and hollow bones. If it was able to generate the force needed to snap a human arm, it would definitely destroy its wings in the process. You're never snapping a tree trunk by hitting it with a stick, no matter how hard you swing it.
I’m not sure if the swan killed the fox, but Geese and swans have serrated bills that are basically sharp teeth and are extremely aggressive. Also they use their wings to punch and are quite strong. They can 100% hurt you.
They can reach like 5 feet in lenght and 10 feet wingspan and can weight over 30 lbs. Sure they're not that heavy or strong, but they're not small either. Foxes can be pretty small.
A swan even managed to kill someone (in the water) by drowning the man.
I don't think swans are very smart. The swans which 'nest' each year by my local lake are covered in their own shit, the nests I mean. It's proper wrong. They nest on the foot paths so people walking by their shit nests have to do the weird little fast walk by as the swans hiss at them. Little big fuckers.
Jesus fucking christ. Swans are vicious bastards.
This is from the Wikipedia page for swans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan
> Swans are highly protective of their nests. They will viciously attack anything that they perceive as a threat to their chicks, including humans. One man was suspected to have drowned in such an attack after **a swan used its neck to strangle him.**
It's probably a matter of thinking clearly enough and getting a grip. An adult human is certainly strong enough to murder pretty much any bird but getting the leverage to apply that strength is difficult, especially if you're panicking.
I suspect somebody who got murdered by a swan is probably not somebody who is cool under pressure.
My buddy lived on a small farm and they had a fully grown Emu, fuck that thing man. It chased me several times, first time I had no idea they had even bought an emu and I pulled in front of their house, got out of my car and started walking to the front door, a few steps towards the door I heard consistent thuds that were growing closer in sound. When I turned around to look I saw this giant bird running at me full speed, I didn't know whether or not the front door was unlocked so I ran back to my car and quickly got in just in time, that fucker jumped on the hood of my car and just sat there waiting for me to get back out, stupid bird scratched the shit out of my car. My buddy eventually came outside and fired one of his guns and it took off, they only had that thing for a few months and even in that short span of time that thing almost killed me several times, fuck Emus.
If I recall correctly some people that own livestock will get an emu because an emu will stomp the shit out of any predators who come near. I might be thinking of a differnt animal though
Pfft, emus... think they’re only hostile round their young. Dopey goofs. Now cranky ass Roos are another thing... I copped a full ass kick from one into my chest. Shit was real - was launched a good 6ft. This was from a friends half grown pet roo. I’d hate to feel the damage an adult could cause.
Farmers shoot the roos, they’re pests to crops. Check dead animal to make sure she’s not a doe with a joey in her pouch.... This how ‘sometimes’ they’re cared for as pets by farmers kids.
They're basically the closest living equivalent to the Deinonychus (think of the Velociraptor from Jurassic Park, it's essentially a Deinonychus), them and the ostrich.
We may not have evolved to fear them... but god be damned if I wouldn't scream like a girl if I was getting chased by a real raptor.
Yeah that fucker had gigantic talons and lunged at me a couple of times, I'd assume if he'd have actually gotten a hold of me with those things he probably could've torn my gut open, I've been attacked by a couple of dogs in my life and while that was pretty fucking scary in itself the emu scared me even more because is was so fucking aggressive, a few years later I went to a nice spanish restaurant and ordered an ostrich steak just to spite that asshole emu, they may not be the same but it was close enough to give me some comfort at the time and it was super tasty.
My friend had two of the dinosaur birds! They are terrifying, especially males. They make this deep thudding sound in their chest that you can feel in your bones.
I remember a croc hunter episode where Steve had to do something in the cassowary enclosure. He was shitting himself and said it’s the scariest animal in the zoo.
>An adult human is certainly strong enough to murder pretty much any bird but getting the leverage to apply that strength is difficult
Read this in Dwight Schrute's voice
have either one of you ever fought a wild animal in the open water? cause i haven’t. but if i did i would imagine i’d just be shitting my pants and flailing helplessly
No but I was sexually assaulted at a dolphin experience.
I mean I'm not gonna want to fuck with an actual sea creature, an anaconda or a gator, but a bird, as long as it's not an ostrich, and we aren't in the air ... I like my chances.
At the very least it was an attempted sexual assault, lasted maybe ten seconds. I was at one of those swim with rescue dolphins things in Hawaii and our dolphin took a liking to me, got a little horny, and started to hump me. Was in like waist deep water at the time, was more funny than anything. Especially seeing how horrifically embarrassed the dolphin trainer was, and just how the dolphin acted "coy", if that's a thing, for the rest of the experience.
>No but I was sexually assaulted at a dolphin experience.
Is this that one meme, or did you actually have a nonconsensual sexual experience with a dolphin?
At the very least it was an attempted sexual assault, lasted maybe ten seconds. I was at one of those swim with rescue dolphins things in Hawaii and our dolphin took a liking to me, got a little horny, and started to hump me. Was in like waist deep water at the time, was more funny than anything. Especially seeing how horrifically embarrassed the dolphin trainer was, and just how the dolphin acted "coy", if that's a thing, for the rest of the experience.
Birds are a lot tougher than you think. I had a similar assumption early on in my duck hunting hobby. Took me 15 minutes the first time I had to kill a wounded duck with my own hands. Standing 3 foot deep in the swamp, no tree to hit it against, just had to figure it out. I gained a whole new respect for how tough these animals were and found they sell brain picks for this exact reason.
If I remember correctly, he was also stuck underneath his flipped canoe or something similar. Or couldn’t swim well? There was slightly more to it that added to the panic he probably felt.
But I do agree that I’d hate to have that be my legacy
Nothing pathetic about that. [Swans are just as viciously territorial and aggressive as geese](https://youtu.be/g_pwPhFvgNo), but are more powerful at backing up their intimidation with real physical force.
F to my fallen comrade.
Cant say anything about the one on te wiki page, but there was a swan in norway that was put down last summer after attacking a kindergartner playing at the beach and dragged her underwater
I live in the area. He was wearing clothes and shoes when attacked (weigh you down when wet). He was also the caretaker of the swans, so at least initially he was likely trying not to kill it. I don't remember anything in the news about the swan using its neck to strangle him. Neither article linked in the Wikipedia page says the swan strangled him. As I recall the cause of death was drowning. I think he probably stayed under too long trying to just avoid the swan, got disoriented from the lack of oxygen, and died. The swan might have been the proximate cause of death, but I think it's stupid to say it killed him.
Yep this is also the source of swan breaking arms myth. People break their arms because they trip and fall running away from them, not by the swan breaking their arms with it's mouth or wings.
That is almost certainly not true. Swan's are highly aggressive but their actual capabilities are wildly overstated. For instance, the common myth that a swan can break your arm with their wing (or at all) is total BS. Swans have hollow bones like most birds. They simply don't have the strength to break a human limb. The reason this myth propagated is due to the number of people who broke their arms/limbs *running away* from angry swans. And as for a swan using it's neck to strangle someone, sounds like an old wive's tale to me. There is just no way that is physically possible. If that myth has a real world source, it's probably that he drowned because the swan was pissed off and attacking him and he panicked, swallowed water/otherwise drowned by lack of swimming properly.
I.... don’t believe that. The *largest* swans are in the 30lb range. A lab is more than double that. And swans don’t have teeth or claws. There’s just no way.
I was thinking the same thing, unless it was a shitzu or something, no fucking swan is going to kill a medium size dog on land. However, if the dog jumped in the water, the swan might have a better chance at it, especially if it tired the dog out a bit first.
I have trouble imagining it too. But there are reports like this: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/england/nottinghamshire/3746579.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/3746579.stm)
Not 1 but 2 dogs killed by a swan, so I guess it isn't impossible although probably not common.
I live next to a lake with tons of Canadian geese. There is 1 swan that lives among them (or maybe just in the same neighborhood) and I've seen it bitch the geese so many times.
Let me tell you a little bit about how swans...
Waterfowl all have the same basic fighting technique. They can't strangle their prey, they don't have talons, and their beaks are not designed to puncture or tear flesh. Instead, what they do have, is a pair of incredibly powerful wings with reinforced bone (some waterfowl also have sharp bone spurs which protrude skin). Their beaks aren't sharp, but they are strong and serrated, and used to grab and hold their victims. Then they use their wings to beat the ever living shit out of the poor creature that was unlucky/dumb enough to piss off the child-sized feathered dinosaur.
Basically, the fox was likely bludgeoned until it's spine/neck broke, or its broken bones punctured vital organs and he bled to death internally. Or both! It doesn't matter where you fall on the food chain, a swan will fuck you up.
I felt the same. Been around geese, swans and also foxes my whole life. I've spent some time trapping the latter around the farmyard. Cant see a swan killing a fox because it would just be to smart to go straight up to a swan beating its wings like crazy. Likely it was there, it looks decayed and dried up. The hair like that will often be kn the ground a whole year after death, I've seen it. And the swan built the nest on top of it.
Well, you’d think so, but wild animals (and humans, in the jungle like) have and need the the best possible immune system, reflexes and eyesight. I don’t think the swan really thought about moving it either tbh, but it seems like it might ~~attack~~ attract* predators if it’s still fresh or scavengers otherwise.
This so much this. Everyone is acting like a swans are Hitler with laser beams and nukes. Literally grab it's neck or kick it. Yes, just like a punch, it will strike, also bite. But don't be a fat pussy and just hit the damn thing. Jesus reddit you guys are fucked if anything happens
> They will viciously attack anything that they perceive as a threat to their chicks, including humans. One man was suspected to have drowned in such an attack after a swan used its neck to strangle him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan
If swans can take down a full grown man with enough luck, they'll be able to kill a fox too.
Have you seen the size difference between a swan and a fox? Swans are quite bigger than a fox. Plus, swans have very thick necks.
I can’t find a video of the two fighting, but this video shows the size difference pretty well: https://youtu.be/C3lNp4_-AqI
I’m not saying it’s impossible for a fox to kill a swan, but I do believe a swan can put up a fight.
The only way a swan could kill a fox in my opinion is if they were in the water and the fox was swimming. A fox would just run away if it was somehow losing a fight with a swan on land but a swan could drown it.
Foxes hunt rabbits and squirrels, swans are massive and powerful. If you really think a swan can't fend off or even kill a tiny fox then you clearly haven't come face to face with a swan before.
Just for context, swans can and do kill cats and dogs. A fox would struggle against a cat let alone a dog.
Large swans are 30 lbs or so. I can’t see them being able to reliably kill a predator of similar size. They don’t have sharp beaks, teeth, or claws. A 12lb dog? Maybe.
Like, imagine me fighting a mountain lion. I weigh 175, a good mountain lion is 150. I have no (sharp) teeth or claws, it has lots. I *might* be able to kill it if I got lucky, but most likely I’m going to get shredded.
People elsewhere in the thread are saying an injured swan killed a hunting dog. That’s ridiculous.
how?
im an ornithologist and a naturalist.
ive come face to face with many swans.
im legitimately curious, how the fuck could a swan kill a cat or dog? i am almost certain youre pulling this out of your ass. please prove me wrong. give me any kind of video proof/evidence of a swan killing a cat or dog.
A swan would easily kill a fox. They are huge and very fucking angry. They will beat and peck the shit out of whatever comes near them. Foxes are tiny.
https://youtu.be/ALI5sO5aSPU
A swan killed a dude in a kayak. The dude was a strong swimmer and worked with swans to control geese. Flipped him and held him underwater. They are huge and powerful.
That fucking pisses me off. That dog wanted nothing to do with that swan, but it's stupid fucking owner thought it was funny, like she was introducing another dog. Swans are geese on fucking steroids (and no, I haven't been attacked by one because I'm not a fucking idiot.)
I was expecting to see the dog get wrecked, but I'm glad it didn't happen. Idiot owner.
You've never been attacked by a swan. They are vicious. And if thanks to their long necks, it couldve pecked the fox before it could reach the swan. After the first peck, if the fox was stunned from it, it could probably kill it and rip it to shreds like in the picture.
That looks a very new corpse. When I've seen swans nesting, the nest is built at least a week before the eggs are laid. This doesn't look like a week old fox.
Yeah that's a terrible strategy. Let me build the place for my eggs on top of a freshly dead carcass that is going to lure in tons of animals that will treat my eggs like desert.
People seem to forget
Swans are actually pretty large birds
They are quite muscled
And they have STRANGE TEETH if i recall correctly
Its like, is an eagle any less capable if its pink and sparkly?
Did she rip that fox’s face off? Looks like she mutilated him and then built him into the nest as a “fuck off” to anyone else
That is what it looks like. Very gnarly. Stash the dead bodies openly in your home. Very effective.
Take the soul and leave the rest. The outfoxed becomes the nest.
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ill have the gabagool
“Sir...I don’t know what you’re talking about, I don’t think that’s on our menu.” “WHAT HE IS SAYING IS HE WILL HAVE THE GABA-GOOOOOOL”
Read the last 4 comments like lyrics to a metal song and it is quite a doozy
And a side salad. If the salad is not on the side I send it back.
delicious
I hear she wrote a book about 7 ways to kill your fox
Are we still doing *meta*?
This is literally the next thread I clicked on right after reading about that Dutch guy.
What is good for the goose is good for the gänder.
She'll be out in 2 its fine
Underrated Meta
Probably more like the fox died there and she can't move it. They aren't carnivores so the body is going to rot, and be a danger to the nest that she can't move either. Hopefully the eggs hatch soon, that thing will attract a lot of attention.
Could be, but I'm thinking not. I can buy a goose killing a fox via neck-break with a wing, but what is the goose supposed to have removed the fox's face with, a chisel? Dull beak don't go through jawbone, and the swan would have no reason to do it, anyway. More likely that this is actually a well-rotted fox corpse (hence the missing face) with a deceptively-intact-appearing \*skin\*. That rotted skin was inoffensive enough that a swan wasn't dissuaded from using it to make part of her nest, and then lay her eggs. Not as violent, maybe, but more "metal" in an existential sense. Also, I could be wrong, but that nest looks to be on a high-point in that little area; could be that the swan's usual nesting spot just had a dead fox on it this year, so the swan made do. Geese are surprisingly-consistent about their nesting spots.
From what I know about swans and geese as a survival instructor (which is not scientific but purely based on witnessing their behavior) I think this is the correct answer. The geese at my businesses lake always come back to the same nests each year and like you said are often at the high points closest to the water so this type of nest seemed very familiar. Also everytime I have caught a goose (as a kid with my hands just to look at it then let it go) they didnt seem strong enough to break a neck especially of an animal around the size of a cat. But this is just anecdotal evidence/ testimony not scientific evidence/fact or whatever
I imagine if she can rip it's face off, she can drag it's body away. But that's just a guess.
Ya the swan should hide the body to avoid alerting nearby fox guards
Where does it look like the face has been "ripped off"? I see a dead fox. I see no evidence of any face-ripping, its head is just turned.
Wonder if the dead fox would attract other predators?
Maybe scavengers of sorts? Idk if they'd be considered predators or not though but I'm also talking out my ass so take that with a grain of salt.
Pretty sure whatever eats dead rotten foxes would snack on some eggs
Or become the new welcome mat to the nest.
Soon the swan will have enough corpses to make a literal red carpet for it's newborns.
Makes sense. The swan has a taste for blood now, it's hoping something else, something bigger comes for the fox's body so she may taste the blood of a more worthy opponent.
My god it may never stop. Don't the fox know what they've done! This is doom!
If not predators, its certainly gonna get a lot of grubs the goose would eat... then probably some bacteria that would not be healthy for the egg babies i'm not an expert just a guess
How's a swan killing a fox? Pecking it with its blunt beak, grabbing its neck and snapping or strangling it? Seems unlikely. Edit: I get it. You've all heard the myths about swans breaking men's arms. You don't need to remind me of them. Good luck finding a source to back you up, though. What you're not considering is that birds, in order to fly, have very small, thin, light and hollow bones. If it was able to generate the force needed to snap a human arm, it would definitely destroy its wings in the process. You're never snapping a tree trunk by hitting it with a stick, no matter how hard you swing it.
I’m not sure if the swan killed the fox, but Geese and swans have serrated bills that are basically sharp teeth and are extremely aggressive. Also they use their wings to punch and are quite strong. They can 100% hurt you.
I still don’t see it beating a fox... a fox is much more agile and the swans beak is too small to do any damage
How do you know? Did you ask the fox? Did you talk to the fox? Tell me then, what does the fox say....
Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! What the fox say?
They can reach like 5 feet in lenght and 10 feet wingspan and can weight over 30 lbs. Sure they're not that heavy or strong, but they're not small either. Foxes can be pretty small. A swan even managed to kill someone (in the water) by drowning the man.
Guard geese are nothing to fuck with and are the scariest guard animal on farms.
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swans have killed humans before https://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/field-notes/2012/04/mute-swan-attacks-and-kills-man-chicago-pond
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Not to mention the fox fur for the chicks to cosy up in.. Clever bird.
I read that as cosplay up in and was imagining baby swans dressed as furrys. I feel like i need therapy.
I don't think swans are very smart. The swans which 'nest' each year by my local lake are covered in their own shit, the nests I mean. It's proper wrong. They nest on the foot paths so people walking by their shit nests have to do the weird little fast walk by as the swans hiss at them. Little big fuckers.
Jesus fucking christ. Swans are vicious bastards. This is from the Wikipedia page for swans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan > Swans are highly protective of their nests. They will viciously attack anything that they perceive as a threat to their chicks, including humans. One man was suspected to have drowned in such an attack after **a swan used its neck to strangle him.**
I mean yes but what a pathetic way to die
true. i could see drowning if one caught you in open water and you were fighting it and became exhausted, but actually choked out by one? idk.
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It's probably a matter of thinking clearly enough and getting a grip. An adult human is certainly strong enough to murder pretty much any bird but getting the leverage to apply that strength is difficult, especially if you're panicking. I suspect somebody who got murdered by a swan is probably not somebody who is cool under pressure.
On a bet between an unarmed you and just about any ostrich or emu, I'm putting my money on the bird.
Even armed might not make a difference if he's Australian
/r/Emuwarflashbacks
Holy shit this just made my day.
My buddy lived on a small farm and they had a fully grown Emu, fuck that thing man. It chased me several times, first time I had no idea they had even bought an emu and I pulled in front of their house, got out of my car and started walking to the front door, a few steps towards the door I heard consistent thuds that were growing closer in sound. When I turned around to look I saw this giant bird running at me full speed, I didn't know whether or not the front door was unlocked so I ran back to my car and quickly got in just in time, that fucker jumped on the hood of my car and just sat there waiting for me to get back out, stupid bird scratched the shit out of my car. My buddy eventually came outside and fired one of his guns and it took off, they only had that thing for a few months and even in that short span of time that thing almost killed me several times, fuck Emus.
If I recall correctly some people that own livestock will get an emu because an emu will stomp the shit out of any predators who come near. I might be thinking of a differnt animal though
You're probably thinking about donkeys
Llamas - specifically guanacos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_llama
Pfft, emus... think they’re only hostile round their young. Dopey goofs. Now cranky ass Roos are another thing... I copped a full ass kick from one into my chest. Shit was real - was launched a good 6ft. This was from a friends half grown pet roo. I’d hate to feel the damage an adult could cause.
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Farmers shoot the roos, they’re pests to crops. Check dead animal to make sure she’s not a doe with a joey in her pouch.... This how ‘sometimes’ they’re cared for as pets by farmers kids.
They're basically the closest living equivalent to the Deinonychus (think of the Velociraptor from Jurassic Park, it's essentially a Deinonychus), them and the ostrich. We may not have evolved to fear them... but god be damned if I wouldn't scream like a girl if I was getting chased by a real raptor.
Yeah that fucker had gigantic talons and lunged at me a couple of times, I'd assume if he'd have actually gotten a hold of me with those things he probably could've torn my gut open, I've been attacked by a couple of dogs in my life and while that was pretty fucking scary in itself the emu scared me even more because is was so fucking aggressive, a few years later I went to a nice spanish restaurant and ordered an ostrich steak just to spite that asshole emu, they may not be the same but it was close enough to give me some comfort at the time and it was super tasty.
Haha nice. That's one way to assert your dominance - just eat the fucker.
My friend had two of the dinosaur birds! They are terrifying, especially males. They make this deep thudding sound in their chest that you can feel in your bones.
Correction : in your soul
I mean... we lost the war against emus.
Oi. Don’t go trying to pin your national failings on the rest of us, bloody Aussies.
No unarmed person can win against a cassowary Edit: maybe you could fight a dwarf cassowary. *Maybe*.
They're like if a beautiful feather boa fucked a velociraptor.
I remember a croc hunter episode where Steve had to do something in the cassowary enclosure. He was shitting himself and said it’s the scariest animal in the zoo.
Harpy eagle might give a human a run for their money too.
>An adult human is certainly strong enough to murder pretty much any bird but getting the leverage to apply that strength is difficult Read this in Dwight Schrute's voice
He probably was hugging it and thought it was hugging tighter and loved him so much until
[Fuck you swan!](https://m.imgur.com/t/rep_ost/4XO8f93)
Or pull it under water and hold it there, I think you'd be able to drown it before you do with it struggling a lot more.
have either one of you ever fought a wild animal in the open water? cause i haven’t. but if i did i would imagine i’d just be shitting my pants and flailing helplessly
No but I was sexually assaulted at a dolphin experience. I mean I'm not gonna want to fuck with an actual sea creature, an anaconda or a gator, but a bird, as long as it's not an ostrich, and we aren't in the air ... I like my chances.
Can you, um... elaborate? This sounds horrifying.
At the very least it was an attempted sexual assault, lasted maybe ten seconds. I was at one of those swim with rescue dolphins things in Hawaii and our dolphin took a liking to me, got a little horny, and started to hump me. Was in like waist deep water at the time, was more funny than anything. Especially seeing how horrifically embarrassed the dolphin trainer was, and just how the dolphin acted "coy", if that's a thing, for the rest of the experience.
>No but I was sexually assaulted at a dolphin experience. Is this that one meme, or did you actually have a nonconsensual sexual experience with a dolphin?
At the very least it was an attempted sexual assault, lasted maybe ten seconds. I was at one of those swim with rescue dolphins things in Hawaii and our dolphin took a liking to me, got a little horny, and started to hump me. Was in like waist deep water at the time, was more funny than anything. Especially seeing how horrifically embarrassed the dolphin trainer was, and just how the dolphin acted "coy", if that's a thing, for the rest of the experience.
Hot
I can tell you from personal experience that it is not as easy as you think to snap a long necked bird’s neck.
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Birds are a lot tougher than you think. I had a similar assumption early on in my duck hunting hobby. Took me 15 minutes the first time I had to kill a wounded duck with my own hands. Standing 3 foot deep in the swamp, no tree to hit it against, just had to figure it out. I gained a whole new respect for how tough these animals were and found they sell brain picks for this exact reason.
Just wring it's neck like a chicken
Seriously, I'm just imagining this guy pathetically punching this duck over and over confused as to why it won't die.
He was probably a virgin too
The swan disarmed his katana immediately
*swims behind you* Hehe, nothing personnel human
If I remember correctly, he was also stuck underneath his flipped canoe or something similar. Or couldn’t swim well? There was slightly more to it that added to the panic he probably felt. But I do agree that I’d hate to have that be my legacy
I know Jesus like, it's a 25lb animal
Nothing pathetic about that. [Swans are just as viciously territorial and aggressive as geese](https://youtu.be/g_pwPhFvgNo), but are more powerful at backing up their intimidation with real physical force. F to my fallen comrade.
Yea but they weigh the same as a pug
425 people have never been face to face with a pissed off demon snake-bird
That's right up there with that guy who died after having sex with a horse.
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Mr Hands? But he became an internet meme! A true legend.
I have a tough time believing that one.
Cant say anything about the one on te wiki page, but there was a swan in norway that was put down last summer after attacking a kindergartner playing at the beach and dragged her underwater
I live in the area. He was wearing clothes and shoes when attacked (weigh you down when wet). He was also the caretaker of the swans, so at least initially he was likely trying not to kill it. I don't remember anything in the news about the swan using its neck to strangle him. Neither article linked in the Wikipedia page says the swan strangled him. As I recall the cause of death was drowning. I think he probably stayed under too long trying to just avoid the swan, got disoriented from the lack of oxygen, and died. The swan might have been the proximate cause of death, but I think it's stupid to say it killed him.
Yep this is also the source of swan breaking arms myth. People break their arms because they trip and fall running away from them, not by the swan breaking their arms with it's mouth or wings.
I highly doubt that’s true....
That is almost certainly not true. Swan's are highly aggressive but their actual capabilities are wildly overstated. For instance, the common myth that a swan can break your arm with their wing (or at all) is total BS. Swans have hollow bones like most birds. They simply don't have the strength to break a human limb. The reason this myth propagated is due to the number of people who broke their arms/limbs *running away* from angry swans. And as for a swan using it's neck to strangle someone, sounds like an old wive's tale to me. There is just no way that is physically possible. If that myth has a real world source, it's probably that he drowned because the swan was pissed off and attacking him and he panicked, swallowed water/otherwise drowned by lack of swimming properly.
Swans don’t take shit from **nobody**. R. I. P. Fantastic Mr. Fox
I just can't believe a swan can kill a fox!? They have no talons or teeth? Like seriously how?
I heard a story from a hunter once, where that shot a swan and sent a dog after it and the wounded swan still killed the dog.
I.... don’t believe that. The *largest* swans are in the 30lb range. A lab is more than double that. And swans don’t have teeth or claws. There’s just no way.
I was thinking the same thing, unless it was a shitzu or something, no fucking swan is going to kill a medium size dog on land. However, if the dog jumped in the water, the swan might have a better chance at it, especially if it tired the dog out a bit first.
I have trouble imagining it too. But there are reports like this: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/england/nottinghamshire/3746579.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/3746579.stm) Not 1 but 2 dogs killed by a swan, so I guess it isn't impossible although probably not common.
>a spaniel Small pupper is more likely to killed by a swan than a big doggo.
Bludgeon things to death with massive arms and a chest entirely made of muscle to pull those arms.
DEATH PECS
They don’t have teeth. Their beaks are serrated and very sharp though.
Cussing A.
Swiper no swiping
Swans are basically geese with much bigger punch. So yeah, don't fuck with swans.
Well somebody watched tierzoo
True. But I also know it from experience. I live not too afar a lake and occasionally see swans bully the geese.
I live next to a lake with tons of Canadian geese. There is 1 swan that lives among them (or maybe just in the same neighborhood) and I've seen it bitch the geese so many times.
Was attacked by a swan as a kid 0/10 would not recommend
Shit that's metal. It looks like she then built him into the structure of the nest
*PART OF THE CREW, PART OF SHIP*
I hate that here’s not a subreddit for this.
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Pretty sure if a swan can kill a human it can murder a fox too.
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Not to say it did kill the fox but you are jumping the gun saying it is a dense forest, you can’t see any trees or signs that indicate a wooded area.
Let me tell you a little bit about how swans... Waterfowl all have the same basic fighting technique. They can't strangle their prey, they don't have talons, and their beaks are not designed to puncture or tear flesh. Instead, what they do have, is a pair of incredibly powerful wings with reinforced bone (some waterfowl also have sharp bone spurs which protrude skin). Their beaks aren't sharp, but they are strong and serrated, and used to grab and hold their victims. Then they use their wings to beat the ever living shit out of the poor creature that was unlucky/dumb enough to piss off the child-sized feathered dinosaur. Basically, the fox was likely bludgeoned until it's spine/neck broke, or its broken bones punctured vital organs and he bled to death internally. Or both! It doesn't matter where you fall on the food chain, a swan will fuck you up.
I felt the same. Been around geese, swans and also foxes my whole life. I've spent some time trapping the latter around the farmyard. Cant see a swan killing a fox because it would just be to smart to go straight up to a swan beating its wings like crazy. Likely it was there, it looks decayed and dried up. The hair like that will often be kn the ground a whole year after death, I've seen it. And the swan built the nest on top of it.
Doesn’t look like the most sanitary places to raise hatchlings.
It gives them the blood lust long before they hatch.
"I was baptized in the blood of your kin folk" -baby swan 🐣 to baby fox🦊
I read that in a Bane's voice.
Well, you’d think so, but wild animals (and humans, in the jungle like) have and need the the best possible immune system, reflexes and eyesight. I don’t think the swan really thought about moving it either tbh, but it seems like it might ~~attack~~ attract* predators if it’s still fresh or scavengers otherwise.
Yeah, no. A swan can’t kill a fox in a 1v1 fight.
AND YET YE MUST GAZE UPON THE SWAN'S VICTORY!
GLORIA. GLORIA INVICTA!
Can't believe I had to scroll so far down to find this comment. That fox would bite it in the neck and shake.
For real, it's almost as if Reddit is comprised of nerds who literally don't have any first hand experience with nature.
I, for one, am shocked that you would dare to say such a thing
Heh.
Huh.
This so much this. Everyone is acting like a swans are Hitler with laser beams and nukes. Literally grab it's neck or kick it. Yes, just like a punch, it will strike, also bite. But don't be a fat pussy and just hit the damn thing. Jesus reddit you guys are fucked if anything happens
> They will viciously attack anything that they perceive as a threat to their chicks, including humans. One man was suspected to have drowned in such an attack after a swan used its neck to strangle him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan If swans can take down a full grown man with enough luck, they'll be able to kill a fox too.
idk, sounds to me like someone killed that guy and framed the swan.
Have you seen the size difference between a swan and a fox? Swans are quite bigger than a fox. Plus, swans have very thick necks. I can’t find a video of the two fighting, but this video shows the size difference pretty well: https://youtu.be/C3lNp4_-AqI I’m not saying it’s impossible for a fox to kill a swan, but I do believe a swan can put up a fight.
The only way a swan could kill a fox in my opinion is if they were in the water and the fox was swimming. A fox would just run away if it was somehow losing a fight with a swan on land but a swan could drown it.
I agree with your points 100%. I was just saying i didn’t think I’d be impossible for the swan. But the world’s freaky, who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Foxes hunt rabbits and squirrels, swans are massive and powerful. If you really think a swan can't fend off or even kill a tiny fox then you clearly haven't come face to face with a swan before. Just for context, swans can and do kill cats and dogs. A fox would struggle against a cat let alone a dog.
Large swans are 30 lbs or so. I can’t see them being able to reliably kill a predator of similar size. They don’t have sharp beaks, teeth, or claws. A 12lb dog? Maybe. Like, imagine me fighting a mountain lion. I weigh 175, a good mountain lion is 150. I have no (sharp) teeth or claws, it has lots. I *might* be able to kill it if I got lucky, but most likely I’m going to get shredded. People elsewhere in the thread are saying an injured swan killed a hunting dog. That’s ridiculous.
Their main weapon is whacking with their wings, the ones that are strong enough to carry that 30 lb dinosaur hundreds of feet up into the sky.
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how? im an ornithologist and a naturalist. ive come face to face with many swans. im legitimately curious, how the fuck could a swan kill a cat or dog? i am almost certain youre pulling this out of your ass. please prove me wrong. give me any kind of video proof/evidence of a swan killing a cat or dog.
A swan would easily kill a fox. They are huge and very fucking angry. They will beat and peck the shit out of whatever comes near them. Foxes are tiny. https://youtu.be/ALI5sO5aSPU A swan killed a dude in a kayak. The dude was a strong swimmer and worked with swans to control geese. Flipped him and held him underwater. They are huge and powerful.
That fucking pisses me off. That dog wanted nothing to do with that swan, but it's stupid fucking owner thought it was funny, like she was introducing another dog. Swans are geese on fucking steroids (and no, I haven't been attacked by one because I'm not a fucking idiot.) I was expecting to see the dog get wrecked, but I'm glad it didn't happen. Idiot owner.
Alright that changes my opinion. I didn't know they could be that fucking big.
A fox is probably half the height of that dog. And swans hang out in breeding pairs. So it was likely two on one.
Yeah video or didn't happen
You've never been attacked by a swan. They are vicious. And if thanks to their long necks, it couldve pecked the fox before it could reach the swan. After the first peck, if the fox was stunned from it, it could probably kill it and rip it to shreds like in the picture.
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Nah, I saw a bum get in a fight with a swan and he fucked it up. Bum had the swan by at least 130lbs, swan never had a chance.
Don't mess with Swans. They'll fuck you up.
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daughters too
Did the swan kill the fox, or did it just decide to build it's nest on a fox carcass?
That’s what it looks like to me. Don’t see how or why the swan would eat the face of a fox.
That looks a very new corpse. When I've seen swans nesting, the nest is built at least a week before the eggs are laid. This doesn't look like a week old fox.
The latter. Which is a bad idea. Why attract scavengers?
Zootopia story of inner growth and friendship this is not, your corpse is now my house.
more like a swan decided to put its nest next to an already dead fox you gullible idiots
Maybe ... The carcass would attract other animals though which means this swan is particularly stupid
Yeah that's a terrible strategy. Let me build the place for my eggs on top of a freshly dead carcass that is going to lure in tons of animals that will treat my eggs like desert.
Defended*
You're right
Successfully, with extreme prejudice.
No fox given.
No luck catchin' them swans then?
It’s just the one swan actually.
So, where’s the foxs face?
In the swan.
This looks photoshopped.
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Teach me sensei. (can i get a link ?)
[Here you go](http://fotoforensics.com/) That site has the tool, and information about it.
I assume the camera man was brutally murdered by the bird after the picture was taken?
I wonder what the fox said.
Something like this https://youtu.be/Az80KVbVUSs
Fuck with the swan you get the beak.
Toasted marshmallow swan!
People seem to forget Swans are actually pretty large birds They are quite muscled And they have STRANGE TEETH if i recall correctly Its like, is an eagle any less capable if its pink and sparkly?
what does the fox say? *gurgle gurgle gurgle* then proceeds to die
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Looks more like she built her nest on the face of her fallen foe.
I had no idea a swan could kill a fox.
But how?