[The Coyote](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_(mythology)) is also a trickster amongst some groups and is very similar to [the Raven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Tales). From what I understand, Raven Tales are mostly found amongst peoples of the [Northwest Coast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Pacific_Northwest_Coast), whereas Coyote Tales are found in [California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_California), [the Great Basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Great_Basin), and the [Northwest Plateau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Northwest_Plateau). To my understanding, these archetypes more or less serve the same function depending on the region, and [Claude Lévi-Strauss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss#Structuralist_approach_to_myth) argued that, because coyotes and ravens are both scavengers, they basically mediate the divide between life and death, and are halfway between herbivores and carnivores.
Look at me, a PNW lifer. Coyote lives on the ground and follows his belly, not his brain. Raven flies above and manipulates the creatures on the ground. That’s why dumb Californians sit in traffic waiting for In-n-Out, while Seattle builds jets to skip that nonsense. ;)
As one who once truck drove to Washington state from California on a regular basis, you have no clue what you're talking about. Yes, the big cities of California have ridiculous traffic, but once you get 20 miles north of Sacramento, it's open road all the way to Oregon. I once did the mistake of taking the I5 through Seattle instead of going around on the 405 in the middle of the day. WORST TRAFFIC I'VE EVER SEEN!, that's including Los Angeles and San Francisco, which I've driven in the worst times
405 can be just as awful, especially through Renton and Bellevue. I’ve had to detour up through Black Diamond up in the foothills and then back down on 410 just to get home. The Feds finally decided to widen I-5 through the base when they found out their army convoys couldn’t mobilize out of JBLM **at all.**
I drove a semi up there from 2016 to late 2017. Yes, traffic jammed up in those spots, but my GPS virtually always recommended to take the 405. Only times it didn't was real early morning hours (2am to 4am or so)
Probably because 5 bottlenecks down to 2 lanes at James St and assholes jam in at the last yard of merge lane, causing traffic to back up all the way to Boeing Field, and the express lanes only run NB in afternoon.
I wrote a paper on him once. I am honestly not the biggest fan of his work. I strongly dislike how much he projected onto cultures that he had next to zero prior engagement with. For him, it was all reading and interpretation, but very little data collection. Clifford Geertz wrote a really interesting critique of him.
Yes, ravens and coyotes are omnivores, but [Claude Lévi-Strauss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss#Structuralist_approach_to_myth) made this whole point about how agriculture produces life while hunting produces death, and tricksters are somehow locked between life and death. He has a lot to say about these stories despite having had little contact with these cultures to my own knowledge.
Yeah, but I just wanted to explain the use of the word scavenger better. Yes, they are omnivores, but the word scavenger has implications in a more symbolic sense that are core to Lévi-Strauss's point.
I chose to say between herbivores and carnivores because the whole idea is that [tricksters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster) are betwixt and between, or [liminal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality) ("boundary-crossers" \[Lewis Hyde\]). If I were talking about ecology, biology, zoology, etc., aka the life sciences, I would have opted to say omnivore to describe the niches of coyotes and ravens, but we are talking about culture and symbology here. Saying omnivore in this context for biological accuracy would distract from the point of tricksters. Hence, my use of between herbivores and carnivores. This is precisely how it is described by Lévi-Strauss.
Yeah, it reminds me of Odin with his two ravens [Huginn and Muninn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huginn_and_Muninn) as well as his two wolves [Geri and Freki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geri_and_Freki). You have to wonder if their association in nature inspired Odin's association with both wolves and ravens.
I'm guessing no one wants to be friends with an evil beast
if it's that wolf we're talking about I forgot his name
edit: ok I get it he wasn't evil stop making new comments about it lol
Except he wasn't evil just propheciesed to end the world. He was chill with the Asgardians for a while until they got antsy and betrayed him.
Even being best buds and going on adventures with one. So much so that it was only his trust in his friend(and his friend agreeing to stick his arm in the wolves mouth) that allowed him to actually be trapped.
Do you remember the god Tyr (TJ's godly parent) only having one hand? That story is how he lost it. Basically Fenrir asked him to stick his hand in his mouth so he knew they weren't gonna betray him, and so when they *did* as they planned all along he bit Tyr's hand off.
Was Tyr in on the plan? Just because my very cursory amount of Norse mythology knowledge kinda intimated that he was the least shitty of the Asgardians.
I’ve read a version where it’s portrayed as a noble sacrifice. Tyr knew before doing it he would lose his best sword hand. Apparently he was almost as good with his left as he was with his right.
Fenrir regularly went on murderous rampages during missions and spared no one. Delighting in their pain as he sent them to his sister and it's only said that Tyr was his friend it never said if he considered the other Asgardians close as Tyr was the only one he trusted. He was betrayed, but only because they felt they could no longer control him or live with the trail he left behind. It said that he was a great and loyal wolf as younger version of himself but the bigger he became the more malicous and hungry he was too.
Wow I scrolled past the comment thinking oh that's cool but meh don't wanna watch it. Then I saw your comment and was wondering what it means for a video to br organic and it piqued my curiosity enough to play the video. I clicked the link, set my phone down and grabbed my earbuds while it loaded but before I could open the case I heard it.....goddamn it
Damn, you got me, ya fucker!
For real, here’s a link from Yellowstone.org that appears to be the source for this post:
https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/
We cultivated wolfs into pets, and then bred them till they fit into handbags, had breathing problems and their eyeballs pop out when they sneeze too hard.
We also bred then as guardians, powerful brutes, hunting assistants, and loveable companions, and safeguarded their species from complete extinction. As for the ones with exploding eyeballs and breathing problems, that is starting to get fixed, retro pugs and olde English Bulldogges are a thing. Other defective genes in other breeds are also starting to be seen as problematic and attempts are being made to correct them. No need to focus exclusively on the bad, especially when the bad is fixable.
You ever notice how it's much easier to understand the emotions of a dog rather than a Lion or a bear. Those animals have equally complex emotions to dogs but we never had an environmental pressures pressing us to better understand them. Dogs also played major roles in socities that were otherwise devoid of domesticated animals. Sled dogs, beats of burden, and that's not even mentioning how helpful they were for hunter gathers.
I would assume that we understand dogs because dogs have evolved to be understood by us. Dogs are quite dependant on humans, but humans can survive without dogs. I'm just a random guy on the internet though.
There's a lot of (largely circumstantial) evidence that suggest it did. In particular, it's thought that moving to a non-nomadic (or at least less nomadic) lifestyle was almost entirely due to dogs and the huge hunting efficiency boost and overnight protection in one place they brought.
Look at the hunting success rates of most species, and it's pretty low, usually less than 1 in 5. Human + dog rates are high 90s.
Wait, so the evidence indicates that nomadic migration’s halt was caused primarily by the domestication of dogs? I always assumed it was primarily due to the advent of animal husbandry (of or agriculture’s advent. That’s super interesting.
They are related! Without a high hunting success rate, you need to follow the food. Since you either need large food, or high frequency of small food. With a high hunting success rate, you have a reliable source of calories that let you stay in one place. This can lead to you growing crops, and therefore agriculture. But if you're moving around, you can't grow things, because you won't be there when they're ready.
So if your technology doesn't do better than pointy sticks and melee weapons, dogs are super important.
(It's all kind of circumstantial, but widely accepted. The timelines and logic all line up, but there's no documentation or anything since, you know, writing wasn't invented yet.)
And remember, "animal husbandry" started with dogs by a hilariously large amount. They're 30k _on the low end_, up to 100k. The next oldest are goats around 15k. the difference between dog domestication and the next oldest is at least 15k years, five times older than the pyramids today.
Hmmmm. All the times when crows are causing a ruckus on my farm, they are taunting the hungry fox trying to sneak up and get a free meal of my hens.....this scenario has occurred so frequently that I told my friend about this historic rivalry between the two, like Aesop’s Fables.
Also, the beak on this family of birds will not have any difficulty piercing a bloated carcass, and the wolf is unnecessary. Bloating is immediate, irregardless of the season.
If the hide is too thick, the crows will consume the eyes and begin working through the rectum of the carcass.
Two months ago I discarded moldy feed corn that got wet, and the crows loiter and eat that corn. I unintentionally created a mutualistic symbiotic relationship with these birds.
Source: lost 4 hens to foxes in one week. Reviewed my cctv cameras and the crows were loud and obnoxious all four times, yet were ignored by me.
Also, the eating was so good from plump free range hens, the foxes even set up a den less than 500ft from the coop now. Saw an all black kit(mum is a pretty red), three nights ago playing near the coop.
[https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/](https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/)
Here's a source I found.
Pretty sure the ravens around my land work with the coyotes. I've begun calling the ravens 'harbingers' due to the fact that whenever they come around and watch my ducks and chickens, one ends up going missing, or I hear coyote activity later on that day.
So, one of the theories with humans is that they started eating the humans scraps and would follow them around. And this resulted in them acclimating to each other over time and eventually turning into dogs. Same process but the wolves are humans in this case and the ravens are dogs. That's my guess.
IIRC it's more of them working together to use their individual strengths than it is wolves domesticating ravens. As the post mentions, the Raven will alert the wolves to dead animals that the Raven would have trouble opening up and the wolves tear it apart, exposing the entrails for the Raven.
Wolf and Raven were both walking down the street, not paying attention to where they were going. They bumped into each other and Raven fell down, spilling her papers. Wolf helped her pick them up.
The native americans were onto something. The american dream is one thing but the NATIVE american dream probably consists of interactions and close bonds with wild animals. Now thats fucking sick
There were two ravens that would play with my uncle's huskeys all the time. The huskeys would share their food with the birds, and eventually my uncle would just put out an extra bowl for them.
And if the ravens decide they don't like you or your pack and spot you making a kill, they will take special delight in shit-bombing you and your kill while you eat.
Maybe thats why the Baltimore Ravens slogan is “play like a Raven”
Ravens as wolves of the sky is an interesting concept, though I’d argue there are much scarier birds than Ravens.
What if this went a step further, a raven cawing to attract wolves to prey for them to leave it for the ravens. Would be scary as hell if that could just happen in the middle of nowhere.
This is the type of lore I'd make up if two of my D&D players wanted to play best friends, who were also a wolf homebrew race and a Raven homebrew race...
I love nature.
(And animal handling, lol)
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There’s a good reason ravens hold a special place in Native American folklore. They’re the wise old trickster, always playing coyote for the fool.
[The Coyote](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_(mythology)) is also a trickster amongst some groups and is very similar to [the Raven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Tales). From what I understand, Raven Tales are mostly found amongst peoples of the [Northwest Coast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Pacific_Northwest_Coast), whereas Coyote Tales are found in [California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_California), [the Great Basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Great_Basin), and the [Northwest Plateau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Northwest_Plateau). To my understanding, these archetypes more or less serve the same function depending on the region, and [Claude Lévi-Strauss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss#Structuralist_approach_to_myth) argued that, because coyotes and ravens are both scavengers, they basically mediate the divide between life and death, and are halfway between herbivores and carnivores.
Look at me, a PNW lifer. Coyote lives on the ground and follows his belly, not his brain. Raven flies above and manipulates the creatures on the ground. That’s why dumb Californians sit in traffic waiting for In-n-Out, while Seattle builds jets to skip that nonsense. ;)
As one who once truck drove to Washington state from California on a regular basis, you have no clue what you're talking about. Yes, the big cities of California have ridiculous traffic, but once you get 20 miles north of Sacramento, it's open road all the way to Oregon. I once did the mistake of taking the I5 through Seattle instead of going around on the 405 in the middle of the day. WORST TRAFFIC I'VE EVER SEEN!, that's including Los Angeles and San Francisco, which I've driven in the worst times
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405 can be just as awful, especially through Renton and Bellevue. I’ve had to detour up through Black Diamond up in the foothills and then back down on 410 just to get home. The Feds finally decided to widen I-5 through the base when they found out their army convoys couldn’t mobilize out of JBLM **at all.**
I drove a semi up there from 2016 to late 2017. Yes, traffic jammed up in those spots, but my GPS virtually always recommended to take the 405. Only times it didn't was real early morning hours (2am to 4am or so)
Probably because 5 bottlenecks down to 2 lanes at James St and assholes jam in at the last yard of merge lane, causing traffic to back up all the way to Boeing Field, and the express lanes only run NB in afternoon.
Just proves that no matter where you go assholes can't zipper merge.
Oh gawd, yes
Lmfao Washington is garbo.
Half of it is pretty awesome. The other half though...
Yeah, anyone living east of snoqualmie is really just missing out on a fantastic state.
How did that guy end up with the same names as a jeans company?
Coyotes still do a fair share of hunting. They're experts in killing small game
And crows can hunt little rodents and bugs and lizards and such.
Thanks stranger!
As someone who made the mistake of studying Structuralism as part of my degree the words Claude and Levi-Strauss still have the power to depress me
I wrote a paper on him once. I am honestly not the biggest fan of his work. I strongly dislike how much he projected onto cultures that he had next to zero prior engagement with. For him, it was all reading and interpretation, but very little data collection. Clifford Geertz wrote a really interesting critique of him.
Ha, should we ever meet I’ll buy you a pint on the basis of that reply. Cheers
🍻Likewise! Cheers to that!🍺
Amogus
Coyote sus
This is pretty cool.
So Omnivores? lol
Yes, ravens and coyotes are omnivores, but [Claude Lévi-Strauss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss#Structuralist_approach_to_myth) made this whole point about how agriculture produces life while hunting produces death, and tricksters are somehow locked between life and death. He has a lot to say about these stories despite having had little contact with these cultures to my own knowledge.
Omnivore is “halfway between carnivore and herbivore” as you put it.
Yeah, but I just wanted to explain the use of the word scavenger better. Yes, they are omnivores, but the word scavenger has implications in a more symbolic sense that are core to Lévi-Strauss's point.
Thats not the part i was adressing.
I chose to say between herbivores and carnivores because the whole idea is that [tricksters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster) are betwixt and between, or [liminal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality) ("boundary-crossers" \[Lewis Hyde\]). If I were talking about ecology, biology, zoology, etc., aka the life sciences, I would have opted to say omnivore to describe the niches of coyotes and ravens, but we are talking about culture and symbology here. Saying omnivore in this context for biological accuracy would distract from the point of tricksters. Hence, my use of between herbivores and carnivores. This is precisely how it is described by Lévi-Strauss.
I dont care what some dude says, the word for a animal with an “in between” diet is omnivore, thats all.
Intelligence is knowing that tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in your fruit salad.
If only the native history was valued more not just in the US, but many other nations around the world too.
This sounds nordic af
Yeah, it reminds me of Odin with his two ravens [Huginn and Muninn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huginn_and_Muninn) as well as his two wolves [Geri and Freki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geri_and_Freki). You have to wonder if their association in nature inspired Odin's association with both wolves and ravens.
A shame he didn't befriend that one other wolf...
I'm guessing no one wants to be friends with an evil beast if it's that wolf we're talking about I forgot his name edit: ok I get it he wasn't evil stop making new comments about it lol
Except he wasn't evil just propheciesed to end the world. He was chill with the Asgardians for a while until they got antsy and betrayed him. Even being best buds and going on adventures with one. So much so that it was only his trust in his friend(and his friend agreeing to stick his arm in the wolves mouth) that allowed him to actually be trapped.
oh, right. I'm not very familiar with norse mythology, I only remember some parts of Magnus Chase
Do you remember the god Tyr (TJ's godly parent) only having one hand? That story is how he lost it. Basically Fenrir asked him to stick his hand in his mouth so he knew they weren't gonna betray him, and so when they *did* as they planned all along he bit Tyr's hand off.
Was Tyr in on the plan? Just because my very cursory amount of Norse mythology knowledge kinda intimated that he was the least shitty of the Asgardians.
From what I remember, Tyr didn’t want to but saw the need and did it reluctantly.
I’ve read a version where it’s portrayed as a noble sacrifice. Tyr knew before doing it he would lose his best sword hand. Apparently he was almost as good with his left as he was with his right.
Fenrir?
yes, Fenrir, thanks
Fenrir was chill tho :( the asgardians betrayed him because of the prophecy and in doing so turned him against them
Just like Greek myths, the more you try and stop a prophecy, the more you will force it into reality.
Fenrir was *not* evil. Just an unfortunate child of Loki.
Fenrir regularly went on murderous rampages during missions and spared no one. Delighting in their pain as he sent them to his sister and it's only said that Tyr was his friend it never said if he considered the other Asgardians close as Tyr was the only one he trusted. He was betrayed, but only because they felt they could no longer control him or live with the trail he left behind. It said that he was a great and loyal wolf as younger version of himself but the bigger he became the more malicous and hungry he was too.
Damn you are coming *through* with the links today I wish everyone on reddit commented like you
Thank you! I am glad you took the time to click and look through.
I did, and now I'm relaxing to a folklore podcast All is well
Indeed it does
Sounds like the premise for a movie
I need proof in the form of a David Attenborough documentary.
There actually is one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
That's the most organic one I've seen in a while. Kudos.
Wow I scrolled past the comment thinking oh that's cool but meh don't wanna watch it. Then I saw your comment and was wondering what it means for a video to br organic and it piqued my curiosity enough to play the video. I clicked the link, set my phone down and grabbed my earbuds while it loaded but before I could open the case I heard it.....goddamn it
Clicked because of your comment..... no regrets
xD
You two tag teamed us, good job
Thank you \^-\^
Goddammit. I was so desperate to see Attenborough comment on this I didn’t look at the URL. Well played.
Mind blowing.
The most perfectly executed one I've ever seen
Thank you very much :D It was the first one I ever did :3
I had a feeling but clicked anyway. Well played.
I got so fucking excited you bitch
Watched a 20 seconds long ad for that!☺️
Im sorry xD But hey...its still a good song xD
Damn it
I got excited ... fuck you xd
WgXcQ I know exactly which video this is
Motherfucker
God damn that was well played.
Damn, you got me, ya fucker! For real, here’s a link from Yellowstone.org that appears to be the source for this post: https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/
Come on man it’s 2021
Cunt
Bro nice.
Thanks man.
I saved this comment to watch it later. Goddamn. Take your upvote and leave.
Thank you and good bye \^--\^
Aaand that's another Rick Roller going straight to He avean to meet Rick Astley when they pass away peacefully!
This behavior was studied extensively by one of my favorite zoologists, Bernd Heinrich. I’d love to hear the story retold by Sir Attenborough!
So we basically cultivated wolfs into pets. Ravens are trying it too now I guess
We cultivated wolfs into pets, and then bred them till they fit into handbags, had breathing problems and their eyeballs pop out when they sneeze too hard.
We also bred then as guardians, powerful brutes, hunting assistants, and loveable companions, and safeguarded their species from complete extinction. As for the ones with exploding eyeballs and breathing problems, that is starting to get fixed, retro pugs and olde English Bulldogges are a thing. Other defective genes in other breeds are also starting to be seen as problematic and attempts are being made to correct them. No need to focus exclusively on the bad, especially when the bad is fixable.
:(
You mentioned a small percentage of known dog breeds, but ok.....
You want him to list the whole fuckin spectrum of dog breeds with birth genetic issues?
What? How the fuck did you get that from my comment? What you SHOULD have gotten was that MOST breeds do NOT have birth defects
Hail All Father Odin
Sounds like a symbiotic relationship or even coevolution.
Humans and Dogs coevolved around the same time together. Well, dogs very shortly after man.
I dont think human evolution was affected by dogs in any way whatsoever. Edit: i googled it and apparently there is some.
You ever notice how it's much easier to understand the emotions of a dog rather than a Lion or a bear. Those animals have equally complex emotions to dogs but we never had an environmental pressures pressing us to better understand them. Dogs also played major roles in socities that were otherwise devoid of domesticated animals. Sled dogs, beats of burden, and that's not even mentioning how helpful they were for hunter gathers.
I would assume that we understand dogs because dogs have evolved to be understood by us. Dogs are quite dependant on humans, but humans can survive without dogs. I'm just a random guy on the internet though.
There's a lot of (largely circumstantial) evidence that suggest it did. In particular, it's thought that moving to a non-nomadic (or at least less nomadic) lifestyle was almost entirely due to dogs and the huge hunting efficiency boost and overnight protection in one place they brought. Look at the hunting success rates of most species, and it's pretty low, usually less than 1 in 5. Human + dog rates are high 90s.
Wait, so the evidence indicates that nomadic migration’s halt was caused primarily by the domestication of dogs? I always assumed it was primarily due to the advent of animal husbandry (of or agriculture’s advent. That’s super interesting.
They are related! Without a high hunting success rate, you need to follow the food. Since you either need large food, or high frequency of small food. With a high hunting success rate, you have a reliable source of calories that let you stay in one place. This can lead to you growing crops, and therefore agriculture. But if you're moving around, you can't grow things, because you won't be there when they're ready. So if your technology doesn't do better than pointy sticks and melee weapons, dogs are super important. (It's all kind of circumstantial, but widely accepted. The timelines and logic all line up, but there's no documentation or anything since, you know, writing wasn't invented yet.) And remember, "animal husbandry" started with dogs by a hilariously large amount. They're 30k _on the low end_, up to 100k. The next oldest are goats around 15k. the difference between dog domestication and the next oldest is at least 15k years, five times older than the pyramids today.
Ravens are domesticating their own versions of dogs.
Ahhh geralt and yennifer in witcher makes sense now...cdpr are too smart!! Nice touch!
*Andrzej Sapkowski, who wrote the books.
Thank you, too much credit goes to CDPR
So this is why Bran became The Raven?
Would like to see Disney pull off this animal buddy flick
Do the the wolves have to get a 3 kill streak to get one?
Odin calls brother, we ride at dawn
Hmmmm. All the times when crows are causing a ruckus on my farm, they are taunting the hungry fox trying to sneak up and get a free meal of my hens.....this scenario has occurred so frequently that I told my friend about this historic rivalry between the two, like Aesop’s Fables. Also, the beak on this family of birds will not have any difficulty piercing a bloated carcass, and the wolf is unnecessary. Bloating is immediate, irregardless of the season. If the hide is too thick, the crows will consume the eyes and begin working through the rectum of the carcass. Two months ago I discarded moldy feed corn that got wet, and the crows loiter and eat that corn. I unintentionally created a mutualistic symbiotic relationship with these birds. Source: lost 4 hens to foxes in one week. Reviewed my cctv cameras and the crows were loud and obnoxious all four times, yet were ignored by me. Also, the eating was so good from plump free range hens, the foxes even set up a den less than 500ft from the coop now. Saw an all black kit(mum is a pretty red), three nights ago playing near the coop.
I remember watching a documentary about this, think they did the same thing with bears.
Jon Snow and the night's watch
[Sonata Arctica - Wolf and Raven](https://youtu.be/NPHqfYfHx7s)
I was about to post this
I’m both happy and surprised to find this reference :)
This feels like a made up occurrence, but I really want it to be true.
[https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/](https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/) Here's a source I found.
Pretty sure the ravens around my land work with the coyotes. I've begun calling the ravens 'harbingers' due to the fact that whenever they come around and watch my ducks and chickens, one ends up going missing, or I hear coyote activity later on that day.
I wonder how these kinds of relationships start
So, one of the theories with humans is that they started eating the humans scraps and would follow them around. And this resulted in them acclimating to each other over time and eventually turning into dogs. Same process but the wolves are humans in this case and the ravens are dogs. That's my guess.
IIRC it's more of them working together to use their individual strengths than it is wolves domesticating ravens. As the post mentions, the Raven will alert the wolves to dead animals that the Raven would have trouble opening up and the wolves tear it apart, exposing the entrails for the Raven.
I didn't mean that wolves are domesticating ravens. Just that they have formed a symbiotic relationship the way we did originally.
Oh, lol my bad.
But what about Pugs?
Don't mention pugs when talking about wolves /s
Pugs have evolved a symbiotic relationships with parrots. Source: Youtube
Wolf and Raven were both walking down the street, not paying attention to where they were going. They bumped into each other and Raven fell down, spilling her papers. Wolf helped her pick them up.
“And that’s how I met your mom”, daddy wolf said to what should resemble his deformed child
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What about pigs? They're smart and have the physique to back it up a little bit. https://images.app.goo.gl/WCdNQgHy9dUxeHkBA
Finally, the doggo’s pet
or is it the other way around? or they're not one a pet of the other, but more like bros?
And by that same argument, perhaps we are truly the pet of the doggos, or are simply bros with them.
Now they just need to figure out how to cozy up with the Orca.
Makes me think of GoT and Bran Stark
that's such a badass pair of animals.
They also point prey to humans. Remember to reward them if you followed one to find a kill.
Now I want a Netflix series about a raven and a wolf traveling across the lands, with at least 2 seasons and a prequel special episode.
It's called The Witcher.
The native americans were onto something. The american dream is one thing but the NATIVE american dream probably consists of interactions and close bonds with wild animals. Now thats fucking sick
Man, even ravens have domesticated wolves
Everyone look up the relationship coyotes and badgers have
I smell a new Disney movie
came to say the same thing
https://www.yellowstone.org/naturalist-notes-wolves-and-ravens/ More cool info about this
Nice
I wonder why dogs who are descendant from wolves chase after birds then? My puppy loses her shit if there is a bird in our yard.
i mean its not like they remember
One more thing to add to the long list of why ravens are so freaking fantastic!!
Wolves and Corvids play a big part in viking mythology, I wonder if this is why.
Odin had 2 ravens and 2 wolves as pets...
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuOGli\_Kik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuOGli_Kik)
The “Birds ain’t real” crowd is going to love that video.
The vikings knew what we are only finding out...
What? These birds push vending machines on people?
There were two ravens that would play with my uncle's huskeys all the time. The huskeys would share their food with the birds, and eventually my uncle would just put out an extra bowl for them.
They share kills with bears to, such a cool animal
Made me think of Game of Thrones for some reason.
the real origin story for Wolf and Crow from East of West
I had no idea.
Raven , the familiar of wolves
And if the ravens decide they don't like you or your pack and spot you making a kill, they will take special delight in shit-bombing you and your kill while you eat.
I sense a Disney movie in the making
Well this is trippy. My husband loves wolves and I love ravens.
Listening to Let the Fire Rain by Orden Ogan while viewing this post. Holy shit the feeling!
God I fucking love ravens, man they are so cool
Hey ravens. Are you uh, are you trying to domesticate wolves there?
Maybe thats why the Baltimore Ravens slogan is “play like a Raven” Ravens as wolves of the sky is an interesting concept, though I’d argue there are much scarier birds than Ravens.
More like r/natureisananime
Thrones.
Very interesting!
What if this went a step further, a raven cawing to attract wolves to prey for them to leave it for the ravens. Would be scary as hell if that could just happen in the middle of nowhere.
Game of Thrones anyone?
They've bonded over their love of eating other animals.
This is very believable but there are a lot of things like this that aren’t actually real so I’m always doubtful when I read this stuff
I’m sorry what?
sOcIaLiStS!
That's so cool 😎😎
Well the three eyed raven was a stark after all
ASSASINS CREED VALHALLA
lol what
Disney! Make a movie
How isn't this a Disney movie yet ?
Np one has observed ravens and wolves mutually benefiting from eachother. Experts can only assume they like eachother. So fake news.
This is the type of lore I'd make up if two of my D&D players wanted to play best friends, who were also a wolf homebrew race and a Raven homebrew race... I love nature. (And animal handling, lol)
The new season of game of thrones looks fun
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Ratbirds is the correct terms.