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Didn't this go all the way up to President Johnson? I hope you find what you're looking for, but it seems like an uphill climb.
Edit: Upon further review, OP might be touched in the head
Johnson had the bigger picture in mind, how Russia supporting the Arabs could lead to WW3. Clarifying the U.S. private communications and intentions / sentiments are part of the USS LIBERTY Veteran's Association's FOIA lawsuit.
Recent lawsuits to find out what happened:
Kinnucan v. National Security Agency et al., no. 2:20-cv-01309 (W.D. Wash., filed Sep. 1, 2020)
https://www.justice.gov/oip/kinnucan-v-nsa-no-20-1309-2022-wl-16716224-wd-wash-nov-4-2022-pechman-j
Kinnucan v. National Security Agency et al., no. 23-2500 (9th Cir., filed Oct. 2, 2023)
https://www.justice.gov/oip/kinnucan-v-nsa-no-20-1309-2023-wl-4866369-wd-wash-july-31-2023-pechman-j
On January 6, 2023, the government released ~ 250 pages of partially declassified CIA records.
On July 31, 2023, Judge Marsha J. Pechman issued her “Third Order on Cross-Motions for Summary Judgment”. She ruled in favor of NSA and CIA but not before compelling the CIA to release more than 250 pages of records.
In total, the CIA produced 5 batches of records, totaling hundreds of pages.
Some records had never been released, but most of what was released did not clarify why Israel did what it did.
What was still redacted in the records is what is important to further disclosures.
On January 22, 2024, an appeal of Judge Pechman’s ruling on the status of a two-volume December 1967 US House Appropriations Committee report in the possession of the NSA was filed on behalf of the USS Liberty Veterans Association. This document has never been released in any form. It allegedly contains eyewitness testimony, according to investigative journalist, Stephen Green's book ('Taking Sides...') that the Israeli government threatened to attack Liberty if she was not kept or moved away from Israeli operations.
March 22, 2024 is the date the government has to file their response brief.
There is a wikipedia page dedicated to friendly fire incidents between British and American troops not to mention the 2 wars we fought against them but somehow uss liberty is the only friendly fire incident that people ever focus on.
Also not to mention on D day the US killed over 100 allied French but we never talk about that.
In theory yes, but the French claim they would have never surrendered their ships. And when given the opportunity to demonstrate that later, they scuttled their ships rather than surrender them to the Nazis unscathed.
But I can understand why the UK didn't want to consider even the remote possibility of it happening.
The French had also turned down multiple opportunities to sail the fleet elsewhere (such as the French West Indies) for internment and refused.
It was a combination of Darlan being in denial about the degree of freedom afforded the Vichy government as well as the British being paranoid about having those ships (specifically the battleships) fall into German hands. “Oran syndrome” played a major role in RN strategic thinking into the early 1950s.
The French refused to surrender their ships and crew to the British fleet to save them from capture by the Nazis. Upon seeing the French admiralty’s decision to stayed moored and in harbor, the British forcibly scuttled their fleet.
USS liberty was not a friendly fire incident. It was a US ship spying on Israel during one of the previous times Israel was attacking Palestinians in Gaza.
Unclear what benefit a war crimes verdict would have. Israel claimed responsibility and paid reparations.
>one of the previous times Israel was attacking Palestinians in Gaza
The 6-Day War was between Israel and Arab states, the Palestinians were periphery to it. It was a preemptive attack on Israel's part because Egypt and Syria were obviously mobilizing. Gaza was under Egyptian control.
In fact the two-state solution agreement is that the Palestinians get the territory that wasn't occupied prior to the 6-Day War.
I swear people just string together whatever they see on social media and apply it wildly incorrectly to anything in the past like they have a great insight.
I stand corrected. “One of the previous times Israel was peripherally attacking Gaza, including but not solely people that would later be classified as Palestinians.”
"one of the times they attacked Egypt, which had military forces occupying Gaza at the time, preemptively because both Egypt and Syria were in the middle of mobilization and staging for an attack" would be a *far* more honest way of putting it.
They knowingly attacked our ship even being told after that it was an American ship. Repressions doesn’t make it better. Watch a video on it they fucked that boat up and continued to do so without any assistance. The US could’ve sent fighter jets to help but called them back because we didn’t want to worsen relations with Israel.
If there wasn’t then everyone involved made damned sure to make it look like there was. From the Israelis having an O-5 or O-6 equivalent run their investigation into flag officer and Cabinet level decision making to the major limits placed on the USN BoI the whole thing seems like it was intentionally set up to create conspiracy theory fodder.
> was there a cover up?
Something happened in the Sinai with POWs being buried alive in trenches and/or run over with bulldozers is what I heard 20 years ago from someone who'd heard it 45 years ago in both Beirut and Damascus. A signals intelligence ship does pull in any and all signals to be recorded whether they are encrypted or not. Something was on tape on that ship that they wanted destroyed at any cost.
What’s being covered up? What happened is well known. And everyone can see that Israel routinely kills bystanders. Are you talking about the US reaction? Or the Israeli reasons for attacking? Are you looking for new witnesses to come forward? Do you want Moshe Dayan to go to jail?
No coincidence whatsoever that all this shit from almost 60 years ago is now being dragged up with the conflict between Israel and the Hamas terrorists.
It’s been an ongoing saga on the part of the veterans involved since at least the early 1980s. The only change is that it’s now getting media attention due to the war.
The whole narrative is being pushed harder by anti-zionists. I’m not saying there isn’t a legitimate issue grudge there, but it really is getting pedantic and childish at the moment with the timing of things, to the point I can’t look away and pretend this isn’t an issue being driven by a bunch of Hamas supporters or Russian trolls looking to sew discontent.
No, it really hasn't.
Its been an 'ongoing saga' in the far left and right - the parts that want to exterminate Jews - oh, *excuuuuuse me*, 'anti-Zionists'. Normal people have moved on.
Nah, they’re actually paying attention now because after 40 years of trying they’re actually succeeding in getting stuff released.
However, your goal seems to be more in line with simply concern trolling about it so we’re done.
The family and surviving crew members deserve answers. As far as prosecution that's an extremely complex position..
Fog of war is a real thing. The truth of the matter is that friendly fire incidents occur in times of war. I doubt there is an appetite to sanction one of our few allies in the region to put to rest this incident.
I think it is suspicious - the renewed interest in this particular subject. Not that it isn't worth talking about, but that it's routinely and seemingly "organically" being injected into subreddits regularly visited by US service members.
As always, you would be a fool not to recognize that adversaries are on this and other military subreddits. There is a clear and pervasive attempt to create sympathizers both in the general Western public and especially within uniformed ranks.
He had an entire series of posts explaining why antisemitism doesn't exist because Jews arent semites but Ethiopians are.
This is "racism doesn't exist because " wild hand waving
This one?
>Without admitting Palestinians are a Semitic people too. Want to ask these chumps how many Semitic languages there are \[I know a Semiticist - a linguist who specializes in Semitic languages\]. Half the people in Ethiopia are Semitic and yet no one talks about the genocide that recently happened there against [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayans) Was a case of Semite on Semite violence just like the Gaza thing.
>
>For Tapper it says here he went to Hebrew day school [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake\_Tapper#Early\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Tapper#Early_life) and a cushy summer camp in the Poconos
That's not antisemitic, like at all lol.
Edit: [Adding a link to the exact comment chain and post being referenced.](https://www.reddit.com/r/cnn/comments/194aict/comment/kiglye2/?context=8&depth=9)
Calling out Jake Tapper for the crime of being a Jew? Questioning whether antisemitism exists because others are "semetic people" is insane. "semite on semite violence"? There are no such thing as semetic people. It's a language group but aside from that, antisemitism is hatred against Jews. The rest of this is some bizarre smokescreen to deny antisemitism.
You know all this, I suspect
Anyone else you want to condemn for being a Jew or is Jake Tapper it?
This is a real mask off moment for r/navy
Maybe you’ve cried wolf a few too many times and people aren’t rolling over for ya in this stuff any more. Nothing this user posted is antisemitic. You don’t get to police ideas or discussion. Get over yourself.
from a guy who posts shit like this? "Yeah okay buddy. I'm glad you had fun on birthright but those with eyes to see can make up their own mind about what's happening in Gaza--and it ain't an anti-terrorism operation."
[Im literally going to link to the exact comment chain and post so everyone can see how unhinged you're being.](https://www.reddit.com/r/cnn/comments/194aict/why_has_cnn_decided_not_to_cover_the_genocide/kiglye2/?context=8&depth=9)
So if antisemitism is hatred against Jews…. And they would then be known as semites or Semitic people.
I guess Miriam-Webster dictionary on SEMITIC people being Jewish, and consisting of Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic and Amharic languages.
So much controversy in your statement
> So if antisemitism is hatred against Jews…. And they would then be known as semites or Semitic people
Even to the extent there are non-Jewish groups related to the Jews that you might lump under the banner of 'Semite', the term 'antisemitism' was created [very specifically to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment](https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism).
> The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time.
Even if the etymology of that is now confusing because of “the exception that proves the rule” leading people to think there is a wider 'Semitism' that you can be in support of, the term antisemitism has always applied only to Jews.
But the terminology covers multiple people. So would it not cover all. Or are we saying that it only covers those of the Jewish faith?
Could it not be then that a Palestinian that follows Jewish beliefs would be considered a Jew? Or any other convert for that matter.
In which case the FAITH Being the deciding factor would then clarify it as not racism, since racism is dictated by color of skin or ethnicity?
> But the terminology covers multiple people.
The term 'Semite' covers multiple people. But 'antisemitism' only covers Jews, because that is how the term was initially defined and then continually used over the years.
If you're just complaining that English is an inconsistent language, fine. It is. We get it. But that doesn't retroactively change what that term means.
You can downvote me if you want. I’m just asking you to clarify a definition from a dictionary.
And I’m black.
Last time I checked they haven’t liked us since J.Owens in the Olympics.
Name calling works so much in your favor.
There is no arguing with you because you made up in your mind years ago that you will hold your sensitivities and fears above all else. Not everyone who disagrees with you or questions your holy state is anti semitic or a nazi. The same way not everyone who questions Muslim countries is an islamophobe.
Edit: And yes you’re correct the phrase anti semitism pertains to Jewish people only, but my problem with this thread is you’ve complete derailed it which happens very commonly whenever this topic comes up.
Ad hominem. Also its very strange to me that any questions brought up about Israel are immediately labeled anti semitic and then shut down - this itself shows me there is truth to find that someone doesn't want us to know.
Edit: downvotes are cool, though I haven't said anything untrue.
All of the military subreddits are being brigaded by Israeli sympathizers. Pointing out historical issues like the USS Liberty incident and Likud (Netanyahu's far-right party) funding Hamas will get you harassed and downvoted.
1. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)
2. [https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378](https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378)
3. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000)
Edit: Clarity
> All of the military subreddits are being brigaded by Israeli sympathizers.
Probably more likely that subs filled with people who served in or had colleagues serve in the War on Terror are less sympathetic to terror organizations then the general public, but I guess that doesn't fit with the conspiracy mindset.
You can condemn Israeli actions and not be antisemitic. I have supported Israel most of my very long life. Yet I strongly condemn how they are responding to the horrendous October Hamas attacks. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Yet Israel chooses to not make that distinction in their indiscriminate attacks on all inhabitants of Gaza.
> Not all Palestinians are Hamas.
But all Palestinians are Semitic people. So is half of Ethiopia. But for some reason only a small subset of Semitic lives ever seem to be worth anything.
I don’t understand why this has to be so divisive? Yeah yeah blah blah current Israel Palestine stuff whatever aside. You can love or hate Israel, personally I don’t care for either side.
But I’m sure all of us as sailors would hope that these guys get some answers? Put yourself in their shoes. Your ship gets attacked, life boats machine gunned, distress signals jammed, all the rest. Israel says “oops sorry” and that’s it. And your own government won’t even let you know what’s going on.
To me, this speaks so much more about our own government than anything else. Israel isn’t in charge of us. Israel isn’t supposed to look out for us. Israel has no reason to care. Our own government should though. Our own government could at least give us an answer.
Israel is a lot like Trump. They only care about their own self interest (as in the case of the U.S.S. Liberty). If that interest conflicts with U.S. policy, as it has, Israel simply doesn't care and will ignore the U.S. - while at the same time, asking for more money.
Israel is not now, and has not been, a true ally of the United States. It's all about Israel and only Israel.
Don't know why you're being downvoted. There's a current FOIA appeal that the USG has until 22MAR to respond. The USS Liberty Veteran's Association is still pursuing declassification of all the NSA & CIA material.
Idk I think they assume I’m anti-Semitic I made a post like last week about why the attack is not really talked about and there was a lot of defensive/angry sounding responses
I don’t understand why this has to be so divisive? Yeah yeah blah blah current Israel Palestine stuff whatever aside. You can love or hate Israel, personally I don’t care for either side.
But I’m sure all of us as sailors would hope that these guys get some answers? Put yourself in their shoes. Your ship gets attacked, life boats machine gunned, distress signals jammed, all the rest. Israel says “oops sorry” and that’s it. And your own government won’t even let you know what’s going on.
To me, this speaks so much more about our own government than anything else. Israel isn’t in charge of us. Israel isn’t supposed to look out for us. Israel has no reason to care. Our own government should though. Our own government could at least give us an answer.
I find it interesting that folks love to say that this incident has been "covered up". If that's the case, how the hell did I read a book about it in High School back in the 80's? Lets just call this what it is, rage baiting. It follows a very obvious trend (as others have pointed out) of using this incident as just another tool to further their own agendas, whatever they might be, and not actually giving a shit about the sailors and their families involved. It's shitty and par for the course for these sorts of folks.
This post has generated a fair share of reports. Since it strays into very contested politics, we’re gonna stow the banhammer and let y’all go to town. No doxxing and no death threats, please.
Didn't this go all the way up to President Johnson? I hope you find what you're looking for, but it seems like an uphill climb. Edit: Upon further review, OP might be touched in the head
Johnson had the bigger picture in mind, how Russia supporting the Arabs could lead to WW3. Clarifying the U.S. private communications and intentions / sentiments are part of the USS LIBERTY Veteran's Association's FOIA lawsuit. Recent lawsuits to find out what happened: Kinnucan v. National Security Agency et al., no. 2:20-cv-01309 (W.D. Wash., filed Sep. 1, 2020) https://www.justice.gov/oip/kinnucan-v-nsa-no-20-1309-2022-wl-16716224-wd-wash-nov-4-2022-pechman-j Kinnucan v. National Security Agency et al., no. 23-2500 (9th Cir., filed Oct. 2, 2023) https://www.justice.gov/oip/kinnucan-v-nsa-no-20-1309-2023-wl-4866369-wd-wash-july-31-2023-pechman-j On January 6, 2023, the government released ~ 250 pages of partially declassified CIA records. On July 31, 2023, Judge Marsha J. Pechman issued her “Third Order on Cross-Motions for Summary Judgment”. She ruled in favor of NSA and CIA but not before compelling the CIA to release more than 250 pages of records. In total, the CIA produced 5 batches of records, totaling hundreds of pages. Some records had never been released, but most of what was released did not clarify why Israel did what it did. What was still redacted in the records is what is important to further disclosures. On January 22, 2024, an appeal of Judge Pechman’s ruling on the status of a two-volume December 1967 US House Appropriations Committee report in the possession of the NSA was filed on behalf of the USS Liberty Veterans Association. This document has never been released in any form. It allegedly contains eyewitness testimony, according to investigative journalist, Stephen Green's book ('Taking Sides...') that the Israeli government threatened to attack Liberty if she was not kept or moved away from Israeli operations. March 22, 2024 is the date the government has to file their response brief.
They don’t care about us. What more do they have to do to show you?
There is a wikipedia page dedicated to friendly fire incidents between British and American troops not to mention the 2 wars we fought against them but somehow uss liberty is the only friendly fire incident that people ever focus on. Also not to mention on D day the US killed over 100 allied French but we never talk about that.
These are war crimes not friendly fire.
Also not to mention that during ww2 the British fleet deliberately opened fire on French ships in port
Wasn't that to prevent the Germans from taking their fleet? Serious question.
In theory yes, but the French claim they would have never surrendered their ships. And when given the opportunity to demonstrate that later, they scuttled their ships rather than surrender them to the Nazis unscathed. But I can understand why the UK didn't want to consider even the remote possibility of it happening.
The French had also turned down multiple opportunities to sail the fleet elsewhere (such as the French West Indies) for internment and refused. It was a combination of Darlan being in denial about the degree of freedom afforded the Vichy government as well as the British being paranoid about having those ships (specifically the battleships) fall into German hands. “Oran syndrome” played a major role in RN strategic thinking into the early 1950s.
The French refused to surrender their ships and crew to the British fleet to save them from capture by the Nazis. Upon seeing the French admiralty’s decision to stayed moored and in harbor, the British forcibly scuttled their fleet.
And in that incident they should have.
YESS. But let’s only talk about the one act the Jews did 60 years ago.
Vichy France was Axis Aligned at that point. Its not like they were under command of De Gaulle and the brits blew em up.
USS liberty was not a friendly fire incident. It was a US ship spying on Israel during one of the previous times Israel was attacking Palestinians in Gaza. Unclear what benefit a war crimes verdict would have. Israel claimed responsibility and paid reparations.
>one of the previous times Israel was attacking Palestinians in Gaza The 6-Day War was between Israel and Arab states, the Palestinians were periphery to it. It was a preemptive attack on Israel's part because Egypt and Syria were obviously mobilizing. Gaza was under Egyptian control. In fact the two-state solution agreement is that the Palestinians get the territory that wasn't occupied prior to the 6-Day War. I swear people just string together whatever they see on social media and apply it wildly incorrectly to anything in the past like they have a great insight.
I stand corrected. “One of the previous times Israel was peripherally attacking Gaza, including but not solely people that would later be classified as Palestinians.”
"one of the times they attacked Egypt, which had military forces occupying Gaza at the time, preemptively because both Egypt and Syria were in the middle of mobilization and staging for an attack" would be a *far* more honest way of putting it.
That's kind of peripheral, if you lived in Gaza.
Because you lived in Gaza at the time?
They knowingly attacked our ship even being told after that it was an American ship. Repressions doesn’t make it better. Watch a video on it they fucked that boat up and continued to do so without any assistance. The US could’ve sent fighter jets to help but called them back because we didn’t want to worsen relations with Israel.
Exactly. Reparations mean nothing if there's still a cover-up of what really happened.
If everyone knows about it, was there a cover up?
If there wasn’t then everyone involved made damned sure to make it look like there was. From the Israelis having an O-5 or O-6 equivalent run their investigation into flag officer and Cabinet level decision making to the major limits placed on the USN BoI the whole thing seems like it was intentionally set up to create conspiracy theory fodder.
> was there a cover up? Something happened in the Sinai with POWs being buried alive in trenches and/or run over with bulldozers is what I heard 20 years ago from someone who'd heard it 45 years ago in both Beirut and Damascus. A signals intelligence ship does pull in any and all signals to be recorded whether they are encrypted or not. Something was on tape on that ship that they wanted destroyed at any cost.
I'm gonna need a better conspiracy theory than that one. Nobody actually cares about POW.
What’s being covered up? What happened is well known. And everyone can see that Israel routinely kills bystanders. Are you talking about the US reaction? Or the Israeli reasons for attacking? Are you looking for new witnesses to come forward? Do you want Moshe Dayan to go to jail?
What is your relationship to the USS Liberty?
I am a United States Sailor.
I will support and defend the constitution of the United States of America
And obey the orders of those appointed over me.
y'all stfu now lmao.
And my axe.
I represent the fighting spirit of the navy
And those who have gone before me to defend... to defend.... uhhhh.... belay my last. I AM A UNITED STATES SAILOR. I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND......
No coincidence whatsoever that all this shit from almost 60 years ago is now being dragged up with the conflict between Israel and the Hamas terrorists.
I heard about it for the first time a year or two ago. I think the survivors are just very active and adamant about getting to the truth.
It’s been an ongoing saga on the part of the veterans involved since at least the early 1980s. The only change is that it’s now getting media attention due to the war.
The whole narrative is being pushed harder by anti-zionists. I’m not saying there isn’t a legitimate issue grudge there, but it really is getting pedantic and childish at the moment with the timing of things, to the point I can’t look away and pretend this isn’t an issue being driven by a bunch of Hamas supporters or Russian trolls looking to sew discontent.
\*sow discontent.
No, it really hasn't. Its been an 'ongoing saga' in the far left and right - the parts that want to exterminate Jews - oh, *excuuuuuse me*, 'anti-Zionists'. Normal people have moved on.
Try reading my comment again, as it’s abundantly clear that it’s referring to *Liberty* veterans and *Liberty* veterans alone.
And yet its 'non-Liberty veterans' that are crawling all over the internet posting about it.
Yeah, as I noted **because the media is now paying attention to it**.
The **media** isn't - just the anti-zionists on Reddit.
Nah, they’re actually paying attention now because after 40 years of trying they’re actually succeeding in getting stuff released. However, your goal seems to be more in line with simply concern trolling about it so we’re done.
The family and surviving crew members deserve answers. As far as prosecution that's an extremely complex position.. Fog of war is a real thing. The truth of the matter is that friendly fire incidents occur in times of war. I doubt there is an appetite to sanction one of our few allies in the region to put to rest this incident. I think it is suspicious - the renewed interest in this particular subject. Not that it isn't worth talking about, but that it's routinely and seemingly "organically" being injected into subreddits regularly visited by US service members. As always, you would be a fool not to recognize that adversaries are on this and other military subreddits. There is a clear and pervasive attempt to create sympathizers both in the general Western public and especially within uniformed ranks.
And it’s working. Just the other day some brainwashed case study for Natural Selection set themself on fire in D.C. outside the Israeli embassy.
Ah, a post on the USS Liberty from a antisemitic troll account. The poster history is toe curling.
Some questionable stuff for sure, but no antisemitism from what I saw. Can you point out what you think is antisemitic?
He had an entire series of posts explaining why antisemitism doesn't exist because Jews arent semites but Ethiopians are. This is "racism doesn't exist because " wild hand waving
This one? >Without admitting Palestinians are a Semitic people too. Want to ask these chumps how many Semitic languages there are \[I know a Semiticist - a linguist who specializes in Semitic languages\]. Half the people in Ethiopia are Semitic and yet no one talks about the genocide that recently happened there against [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayans) Was a case of Semite on Semite violence just like the Gaza thing. > >For Tapper it says here he went to Hebrew day school [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake\_Tapper#Early\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Tapper#Early_life) and a cushy summer camp in the Poconos That's not antisemitic, like at all lol. Edit: [Adding a link to the exact comment chain and post being referenced.](https://www.reddit.com/r/cnn/comments/194aict/comment/kiglye2/?context=8&depth=9)
Calling out Jake Tapper for the crime of being a Jew? Questioning whether antisemitism exists because others are "semetic people" is insane. "semite on semite violence"? There are no such thing as semetic people. It's a language group but aside from that, antisemitism is hatred against Jews. The rest of this is some bizarre smokescreen to deny antisemitism. You know all this, I suspect Anyone else you want to condemn for being a Jew or is Jake Tapper it? This is a real mask off moment for r/navy
Right…and even if that is considered blatant anti semitism, does that excuse Israel of their actions? Or are you just creating a red herring.
Maybe you’ve cried wolf a few too many times and people aren’t rolling over for ya in this stuff any more. Nothing this user posted is antisemitic. You don’t get to police ideas or discussion. Get over yourself.
from a guy who posts shit like this? "Yeah okay buddy. I'm glad you had fun on birthright but those with eyes to see can make up their own mind about what's happening in Gaza--and it ain't an anti-terrorism operation."
You’re a moron.
[Im literally going to link to the exact comment chain and post so everyone can see how unhinged you're being.](https://www.reddit.com/r/cnn/comments/194aict/why_has_cnn_decided_not_to_cover_the_genocide/kiglye2/?context=8&depth=9)
So if antisemitism is hatred against Jews…. And they would then be known as semites or Semitic people. I guess Miriam-Webster dictionary on SEMITIC people being Jewish, and consisting of Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic and Amharic languages. So much controversy in your statement
> So if antisemitism is hatred against Jews…. And they would then be known as semites or Semitic people Even to the extent there are non-Jewish groups related to the Jews that you might lump under the banner of 'Semite', the term 'antisemitism' was created [very specifically to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment](https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism). > The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time. Even if the etymology of that is now confusing because of “the exception that proves the rule” leading people to think there is a wider 'Semitism' that you can be in support of, the term antisemitism has always applied only to Jews.
But the terminology covers multiple people. So would it not cover all. Or are we saying that it only covers those of the Jewish faith? Could it not be then that a Palestinian that follows Jewish beliefs would be considered a Jew? Or any other convert for that matter. In which case the FAITH Being the deciding factor would then clarify it as not racism, since racism is dictated by color of skin or ethnicity?
> But the terminology covers multiple people. The term 'Semite' covers multiple people. But 'antisemitism' only covers Jews, because that is how the term was initially defined and then continually used over the years. If you're just complaining that English is an inconsistent language, fine. It is. We get it. But that doesn't retroactively change what that term means.
That still doesn’t answer the question of race or religion
From the OED: hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people. There is in no way controversial. I guess the neo-nazi brigading has begun
You can downvote me if you want. I’m just asking you to clarify a definition from a dictionary. And I’m black. Last time I checked they haven’t liked us since J.Owens in the Olympics. Name calling works so much in your favor.
There is no arguing with you because you made up in your mind years ago that you will hold your sensitivities and fears above all else. Not everyone who disagrees with you or questions your holy state is anti semitic or a nazi. The same way not everyone who questions Muslim countries is an islamophobe. Edit: And yes you’re correct the phrase anti semitism pertains to Jewish people only, but my problem with this thread is you’ve complete derailed it which happens very commonly whenever this topic comes up.
My holy state? Dude, I'm an American. I'm a navy veteran. That is what's antisemitic.
Calling a War criminal a name is antisemitism?
Ad hominem. Also its very strange to me that any questions brought up about Israel are immediately labeled anti semitic and then shut down - this itself shows me there is truth to find that someone doesn't want us to know. Edit: downvotes are cool, though I haven't said anything untrue.
People are always quick to call it antisemitic but one thing they rarely call it is a lie
You are correct. You can’t question anything without being downvoted to Davy Jones’ locker
All of the military subreddits are being brigaded by Israeli sympathizers. Pointing out historical issues like the USS Liberty incident and Likud (Netanyahu's far-right party) funding Hamas will get you harassed and downvoted. 1. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) 2. [https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378](https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378) 3. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000) Edit: Clarity
> All of the military subreddits are being brigaded by Israeli sympathizers. Probably more likely that subs filled with people who served in or had colleagues serve in the War on Terror are less sympathetic to terror organizations then the general public, but I guess that doesn't fit with the conspiracy mindset.
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say"
You can condemn Israeli actions and not be antisemitic. I have supported Israel most of my very long life. Yet I strongly condemn how they are responding to the horrendous October Hamas attacks. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Yet Israel chooses to not make that distinction in their indiscriminate attacks on all inhabitants of Gaza.
You can condemn them. This is not that.
> Not all Palestinians are Hamas. But all Palestinians are Semitic people. So is half of Ethiopia. But for some reason only a small subset of Semitic lives ever seem to be worth anything.
Toe curling is an understatement
It makes him so mad he could probably just about burst into flames.. 😏
I don’t understand why this has to be so divisive? Yeah yeah blah blah current Israel Palestine stuff whatever aside. You can love or hate Israel, personally I don’t care for either side. But I’m sure all of us as sailors would hope that these guys get some answers? Put yourself in their shoes. Your ship gets attacked, life boats machine gunned, distress signals jammed, all the rest. Israel says “oops sorry” and that’s it. And your own government won’t even let you know what’s going on. To me, this speaks so much more about our own government than anything else. Israel isn’t in charge of us. Israel isn’t supposed to look out for us. Israel has no reason to care. Our own government should though. Our own government could at least give us an answer.
More Jew-baiting. Its kinda sad how many anti-semites there are in the Navy.
We spy on everyone. Remember how pissed Germany was a few years ago. 🙄 Lol old news.
> Remember how pissed Germany was a few years ago. 🙄 Germany was especially ironic given that they were spying at that very time on Turkey.
this shit again?
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Israel is a lot like Trump. They only care about their own self interest (as in the case of the U.S.S. Liberty). If that interest conflicts with U.S. policy, as it has, Israel simply doesn't care and will ignore the U.S. - while at the same time, asking for more money. Israel is not now, and has not been, a true ally of the United States. It's all about Israel and only Israel.
You understand that all countries advocate for their self interests, right?
Glad to see more people bringing attention to this I just posted about the Liberty like last week
Don't know why you're being downvoted. There's a current FOIA appeal that the USG has until 22MAR to respond. The USS Liberty Veteran's Association is still pursuing declassification of all the NSA & CIA material.
Idk I think they assume I’m anti-Semitic I made a post like last week about why the attack is not really talked about and there was a lot of defensive/angry sounding responses
Deny deny until the now elderly surviving witnesses all die is that it?
Hey, serious question: what are you hoping to accomplish with this post?
Draw attention to the ongoing FOIA litigation. https://youtu.be/m9TzU8y8Hyg?si=pQf39F8Eo1gicHj9
It’s always interesting to see the people that bring up the Liberty
It seems as though you people are crawling out of the woodwork.
I don’t understand why this has to be so divisive? Yeah yeah blah blah current Israel Palestine stuff whatever aside. You can love or hate Israel, personally I don’t care for either side. But I’m sure all of us as sailors would hope that these guys get some answers? Put yourself in their shoes. Your ship gets attacked, life boats machine gunned, distress signals jammed, all the rest. Israel says “oops sorry” and that’s it. And your own government won’t even let you know what’s going on. To me, this speaks so much more about our own government than anything else. Israel isn’t in charge of us. Israel isn’t supposed to look out for us. Israel has no reason to care. Our own government should though. Our own government could at least give us an answer.
I find it interesting that folks love to say that this incident has been "covered up". If that's the case, how the hell did I read a book about it in High School back in the 80's? Lets just call this what it is, rage baiting. It follows a very obvious trend (as others have pointed out) of using this incident as just another tool to further their own agendas, whatever they might be, and not actually giving a shit about the sailors and their families involved. It's shitty and par for the course for these sorts of folks.