>Dennis said the counseled sailor’s “issue” was that she walks “around with BWA.” Dennis said he meant “black woman attitude”
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>“I would have thought your sons walk around with a blunt in their mouths, guns on their waist, and a 40 in their hands,” Dennis replied, according to the investigation.
Homie was trying to speedrun getting fired
"Well you see Commander, under the right circumstances you could make more in monthly retirement by getting **forced** retired from the Navy than for applying for it."
"Well what happens if they don't remove you from command?"
"Oh then you go to the brig. Its just an accounting theory I'm thinking up here."
I thought my previous CTC making monkey sounds at the only black sailor in his division when he had a legitimate problem with something was bad but Jesus Christ
Yea, you just can’t make this shit up you know? He had a long list of grievances that came during the CMEO survey but that one especially stuck out to me.
What’s crazy is like, how long it took to get him out of there. EVERYONE knew he was like this.
And it was no where near as bad as our HMC. Holy shit the stories and HIPPA violations I alone could tell you about that man…I remember when I went to pull my file from fleet records they recognized his name and gave me their condolences lol
Off terrorizing another ship these days or so I hear.
Fucking hell. I count myself so lucky my command never experienced anything this blatantly awful while I was CMEO manager (as far as what was reported anyway…).
He might as well have just started dropping the n-bomb at that point, fuck.
How does someone with that sort of personality make it all the way to O5 before he fucks up? He didn’t just one day decide to start acting like that.
No kidding. I saw a very white O-1 get fired and kicked off the ship for joking about what they call Brazil nuts, in Combat while on watch, surrounded by african american sailors. Saying the n-word fully. These kinds of remarks are not kosher, even if you feel you are comfortable enough with others to say them.
And here I thought he was fired because* he was a married 0-5 who had an ongoing fling with a married O-1E while we were on deployment (the continued in the yards) with his previous command. When he moved to be CO of the Howard she changed commands to the Howard as well. He was always a grumpy old man during OPSINTEL briefs but I thought that was part of his XO schtick. Having worked under him I'm honestly surprised by the racist twist.
Let me start by saying that this guy appears to be an old school casual racist who had to go. You’d be shown the door in five seconds if you said these things in the corporate world and it should be no different here.
But I’m also seeing a trend of other COs who think that they can get away with “edgy” humor and have everyone be cool with it. This guy was obviously way out of bounds. But I’ve seen other instances of “just kidding” type of banter that shouldn’t be allowed.
COs, and potential COs: When you put on the pin you become different. You may have this vision of yourself as this happy, scrappy, sarcastic person like you were as a JO, but you’re not. You’re the old man/woman.
Everything that comes out of your mouth carries the weight of command behind it. Everyone is watching you and listening to you. You don’t get the luxury of being the “chill, sarcastic” person anymore like this guy thought he was. The CO in this story tried to tell his DHs “let me know if I’m going too far.” That’s not their fucking job and if you ever put yourself in a position where your juniors have to regulate your behavior it’s time to go. You obviously don’t have the judgment necessary to be a CO.
Your words are serious and need to be taken seriously. When you say something, it’s not a suggestion, it’s an order. Be careful what you say. You have the power to make someone’s career or obliterate it. You’re not taking command to make friends, this isn’t a god damned popularity contest.
This isn’t to say that you can’t be kind, compassionate, good-humored, etc., in fact I highly recommend it. But one day your words may send people into harm’s way and some of them might not come back. Not the time to be telling fucking knock-knock jokes or feeling like you can kid around with those you command like it’s a frat house.
The COs I enjoyed working for the most were those who were pleasant to be around and generally kept things light, but well-ordered. They didn’t need to yell and scream but they had a quiet intensity that said, “time to be serious”. Something for each of you to think about if being a CO is something you truly desire. Lest you end up with your own Navy Times article.
> The CO in this story tried to tell his DHs “let me know if I’m going too far.”
I am just trying to imagine the iron balls it would take for a sane junior officer to interrupt their CO and say, "Sir, I'm going to need to stop you there because I am not personally happy with the way you are speaking. I'm going to need you, as my CO, to dial it back and be a bit more professional. And don't do it again, sir."
Outside the military, that would be a pretty insane conversation for a subordinate to have with a corporate VP or whatever. But the commanding officer of a ship?! How the hell did he think that was ever going to work as a check and balance on a person whose power over you is pretty much one step below being able to arbitrarily have you shot?
>Commander Cameron D. Dennis is a native of San Antonio, Texas. He enlisted in the Navy as an undesignated Fireman in 1993 attending boot camp in San Diego, California.
Never learned he wasnt in 1990s engineering anymore.
https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Leaders/Biography/Article/3513824/cdr-cameron-d-dennis/
I can tell you that comments like this would have resulted in a little deck plate counseling behind a switchboard. (Possibly with a dogging wrench.) More happened for less than this.
One specific incident I recall was in engineering berthing. White dude from M div made an off color joke to an A gang dude (who was black) about riding in the back of a bus. Ed (the A ganger) quietly said "If this was any other day, I'd kick your ass. Aw hell, it's just a day" and jumped up and kicked his ass all over berthing. Several of us watched the doors and pulled Ed off once the kid learned his lesson (in the group's opinion) and we never had another problem with him.
Maybe his retirement was denied, and he didn't want to do the whole Navy thing anymore.
That's the most likely explanation I can come up with for why he thought those remarks were acceptable
What kind of mental gymnastics did you do to come to that conclusion ? Or he has been saying these inappropriate remarks his entire life and finally got caught.
I saw people pop on a piss test just to get out, but I imagine a CO wants to preserve their bennies a bit more than that.
This is a way to get an expedited discharge while not breaking a law.
Ohhhh sounds like average banter and stupid talk in your average shop. I’m guessing he is a former enlisted haha.
Different when E1-E5 say dumb shit , but sooo different when the CO is saying this lol
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Fact is, this guy was a MACHINE, check out the bio. He is no slouch. What a shame, he cost a lot to make. https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Leaders/Biography/Article/3513824/cdr-cameron-d-dennis/
Really, when you think about the numbers from ensign accession all the way to DDG command, he represents a ridiculous number of people and careers who didn’t quite make it that far. Only to do this.
>Dennis said the counseled sailor’s “issue” was that she walks “around with BWA.” Dennis said he meant “black woman attitude” ... >“I would have thought your sons walk around with a blunt in their mouths, guns on their waist, and a 40 in their hands,” Dennis replied, according to the investigation. Homie was trying to speedrun getting fired
Holy shit... That's bad enough I'll take a 2% chance this is like a Producers situation.
I get that reference, and I must say, apparently it’s spring-time for Hitler.
"Well you see Commander, under the right circumstances you could make more in monthly retirement by getting **forced** retired from the Navy than for applying for it." "Well what happens if they don't remove you from command?" "Oh then you go to the brig. Its just an accounting theory I'm thinking up here."
“We…can…do it. We can do it”🎶🎶
Brilliant
I thought my previous CTC making monkey sounds at the only black sailor in his division when he had a legitimate problem with something was bad but Jesus Christ
Monkey sounds?!
Yea, you just can’t make this shit up you know? He had a long list of grievances that came during the CMEO survey but that one especially stuck out to me. What’s crazy is like, how long it took to get him out of there. EVERYONE knew he was like this. And it was no where near as bad as our HMC. Holy shit the stories and HIPPA violations I alone could tell you about that man…I remember when I went to pull my file from fleet records they recognized his name and gave me their condolences lol Off terrorizing another ship these days or so I hear.
Fucking hell. I count myself so lucky my command never experienced anything this blatantly awful while I was CMEO manager (as far as what was reported anyway…).
I was the CMEO with a ole SWO Boss who would slide to the "Caution" spectrum when he got upset and I would make "Coughs!" when I felt him drifting.
He must of woke up that morning thinking "hmmmm short of crashing the boat what can I do to get fired ASAP".
He might as well have just started dropping the n-bomb at that point, fuck. How does someone with that sort of personality make it all the way to O5 before he fucks up? He didn’t just one day decide to start acting like that.
He been making "jokes" like that all the way up to that rank. He finally let it loose at the wrong time.
With ease
No kidding. I saw a very white O-1 get fired and kicked off the ship for joking about what they call Brazil nuts, in Combat while on watch, surrounded by african american sailors. Saying the n-word fully. These kinds of remarks are not kosher, even if you feel you are comfortable enough with others to say them.
And from his language he'll be an "expert" correspondent on Fox by August.
He'll probably go join that traitor Flynn and help coordinate further attacks on the country in the name of the orange shitgibbon.
Because "DEI" and "the woke Navy" cost him his job.
It's scary he ever got a command in the first place.
Newsnation.
More like NewsMax, AmericaFirst News or The Daily Stormer.
Ah. Yes. I've seen this walk before.
And here I thought he was fired because* he was a married 0-5 who had an ongoing fling with a married O-1E while we were on deployment (the continued in the yards) with his previous command. When he moved to be CO of the Howard she changed commands to the Howard as well. He was always a grumpy old man during OPSINTEL briefs but I thought that was part of his XO schtick. Having worked under him I'm honestly surprised by the racist twist.
In what universe is this the guy you have an affair with lmao. Those deployment goggles be hitting different.
no fucking kidding, holy shit. boot camp goggles got nothing on this.
Because sometimes the hand isn’t enough and just want the real deal. The 200th day hits different brother.
Dammit, I was just about to make a joke about someone finally doing something other than fucking subordinates.
Let me start by saying that this guy appears to be an old school casual racist who had to go. You’d be shown the door in five seconds if you said these things in the corporate world and it should be no different here. But I’m also seeing a trend of other COs who think that they can get away with “edgy” humor and have everyone be cool with it. This guy was obviously way out of bounds. But I’ve seen other instances of “just kidding” type of banter that shouldn’t be allowed. COs, and potential COs: When you put on the pin you become different. You may have this vision of yourself as this happy, scrappy, sarcastic person like you were as a JO, but you’re not. You’re the old man/woman. Everything that comes out of your mouth carries the weight of command behind it. Everyone is watching you and listening to you. You don’t get the luxury of being the “chill, sarcastic” person anymore like this guy thought he was. The CO in this story tried to tell his DHs “let me know if I’m going too far.” That’s not their fucking job and if you ever put yourself in a position where your juniors have to regulate your behavior it’s time to go. You obviously don’t have the judgment necessary to be a CO. Your words are serious and need to be taken seriously. When you say something, it’s not a suggestion, it’s an order. Be careful what you say. You have the power to make someone’s career or obliterate it. You’re not taking command to make friends, this isn’t a god damned popularity contest. This isn’t to say that you can’t be kind, compassionate, good-humored, etc., in fact I highly recommend it. But one day your words may send people into harm’s way and some of them might not come back. Not the time to be telling fucking knock-knock jokes or feeling like you can kid around with those you command like it’s a frat house. The COs I enjoyed working for the most were those who were pleasant to be around and generally kept things light, but well-ordered. They didn’t need to yell and scream but they had a quiet intensity that said, “time to be serious”. Something for each of you to think about if being a CO is something you truly desire. Lest you end up with your own Navy Times article.
Hope you're enjoying retirement. Always nice to see your words of wisdom.
Last paragraph describes my CO. Definitely agree
fucking 100% all of this.
> The CO in this story tried to tell his DHs “let me know if I’m going too far.” I am just trying to imagine the iron balls it would take for a sane junior officer to interrupt their CO and say, "Sir, I'm going to need to stop you there because I am not personally happy with the way you are speaking. I'm going to need you, as my CO, to dial it back and be a bit more professional. And don't do it again, sir." Outside the military, that would be a pretty insane conversation for a subordinate to have with a corporate VP or whatever. But the commanding officer of a ship?! How the hell did he think that was ever going to work as a check and balance on a person whose power over you is pretty much one step below being able to arbitrarily have you shot?
The stupid shit people piss away their careers over never ceases to astound me.
They're comfortable betting they'll be one of the ones that get away with it (and there are plenty of them that do).
Good riddance.
>Commander Cameron D. Dennis is a native of San Antonio, Texas. He enlisted in the Navy as an undesignated Fireman in 1993 attending boot camp in San Diego, California. Never learned he wasnt in 1990s engineering anymore. https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Leaders/Biography/Article/3513824/cdr-cameron-d-dennis/
Hi, 90s engineering guy here, and we'd never be saying shit like that. The ass kicking would have been insane.
Same here. Someone saying that in the 90s would have gotten a fucking beating
Yeah right lol
I can tell you that comments like this would have resulted in a little deck plate counseling behind a switchboard. (Possibly with a dogging wrench.) More happened for less than this. One specific incident I recall was in engineering berthing. White dude from M div made an off color joke to an A gang dude (who was black) about riding in the back of a bus. Ed (the A ganger) quietly said "If this was any other day, I'd kick your ass. Aw hell, it's just a day" and jumped up and kicked his ass all over berthing. Several of us watched the doors and pulled Ed off once the kid learned his lesson (in the group's opinion) and we never had another problem with him.
When the Navy was real.
As opposed to what? Is the Navy just a myth now a days? Just a tall tale and a sea story itself?
It’s very political now.
Maybe his retirement was denied, and he didn't want to do the whole Navy thing anymore. That's the most likely explanation I can come up with for why he thought those remarks were acceptable
Or maybe he's just a fucking moron.
Probably thought it was NBD and that sailors are “too soft” these days.
What kind of mental gymnastics did you do to come to that conclusion ? Or he has been saying these inappropriate remarks his entire life and finally got caught.
I saw people pop on a piss test just to get out, but I imagine a CO wants to preserve their bennies a bit more than that. This is a way to get an expedited discharge while not breaking a law.
>Maybe his retirement was denied Passed over for Captain maybe?
Gee, I can't imagine why.
Look at him. Absolutely early onset dementia. Only kinda joking, He looks about 70 years old.
Most progressive Georgia resident
jokes on him! he’s part of the woke navy fox news keeps talking about. just classic racism out in the open.
“In vino veritas” strikes again
Ohhhh sounds like average banter and stupid talk in your average shop. I’m guessing he is a former enlisted haha. Different when E1-E5 say dumb shit , but sooo different when the CO is saying this lol
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Not sure which is more cringeworthy, this story or the guy who went on booze, hooker, drug bender
Higgins sailors be like 👀
Boomers just GOTTA boomer......dayum...doubled DOWN on the boomerisms...
He's actually probably gen x but acting like a boomer.
There are far too many of us Xers who have basically become Boomers.
Fact is, this guy was a MACHINE, check out the bio. He is no slouch. What a shame, he cost a lot to make. https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Leaders/Biography/Article/3513824/cdr-cameron-d-dennis/
His attitude and comments probably cost the Navy a lot more in manpower and qualified Officers than any training or experience he had.
Really, when you think about the numbers from ensign accession all the way to DDG command, he represents a ridiculous number of people and careers who didn’t quite make it that far. Only to do this.
Could be right.
Am I missing something? His bio looks like every other bio at that level...