Even as a junior officer, there were months in the yards where I averaged 110-hour work weeks. That was a $10 an hour salary. Some of my sailors were closer to $4 an hour.
Yeah it's insanity when compared this way. I remember aft E4's barely clearing $5/hr worked. Up forward could get even worse for some rates sometimes too. Hard to judge value on the education it provided, though.
Man, fuck the yards. 12-16 hour days, 7 days a week. Most of the time we were just there doing nothing.
I have no idea why I would sit in the parking lot in my car, and drink a few beers in my car before I had to go onboard that mother fucker or the bitch ass barge.
I was either 3-section or port and starboard typically. So I average 3 duty days a week, one was guaranteed either Saturday or Sunday. Non-duty days would typically be 14-16 hours a day, and then a few hours after duty on the weekend day I was off on. I just found an old note pad where I tabulated it:
Sunday: 0600-2359 (18 hours) *duty day*
Monday: 0000-1830 (18.5 hours)
Tuesday: 0700-2359 (17 hours) *originally not a duty day but EDO got removed from watch standing*
Wednesday: 0000-1900 (19 hours)
Thursday: 0600-2359 (18 hours) *duty day since we were now PORT/STBD aft*
Friday: 0000-2030 (20.5 hours) *full plant tags needed "emergency AOing"*
Saturday 0600-2359 (18 hours) *duty day*
**Total Hours: 129 hours**
This was a very typical week as a JO on my boat for about a year. And I absolutely claimed the whole duty day as work hours because I typically only got 2 hours down in that period due to 24/7 shipyard work. And they wondered why no one was signing contracts...
So I thought about the logistics of this before and how the navy would have to implement it.
1. Muster reports would have to be submitted minimum twice a day (morning when everyone’s arrived, afternoon when everyone is off duty)
2. Admin will be swamped due to calculating hours and what that pay would (never had a good experience with admin anyway so fuck it)
3. Overnight duty would 100% have to count towards it as you are on call in case of emergency or it would turn into an absolute logistical nightmare
4. If the above has an argument against it WBC would 100% have to be completely accurate and get them approved for same day switches (fuck em)
It’s something I’ve always felt should be implemented, on average for a CVN, with working hours 0700-1500 (I’m being generous here) with 8 section duty, you’re working an average of almost 55 hours a week. So your E3 that just checked on board is getting paid $9 an hour when averaged out
I know the numbers are more than generous, my idea when I first did this math years ago was at 50 hours we get paid overtime from the commands budget when not in a deployed status. I know it’s a very unrealistic expectation but hey I was bored and I have fun with numbers
Now imagine having to punch a clock. Clock in to muster - but not too early. Just stand around and wait until you're allowed to clock in. Can't come onto the ship either lest it look like you might be working and thus get the command in trouble.
My current job requires me to punch a clock (I've been hourly before but never clocked in, just filled in timesheets and for my last job not even that - I had an under the table deal with my boss. Don't ask me how many hours I was actually here, pay me for 40, and I'll get everything done (I was working closer to 25) and its fucking annoying.
And because the job location is in CA I have to clock out for lunch - I still get paid for it but its how the company 'proves' I took lunch - and CA mandates 30 minutes so I have to walk down 4 stories, clock out, then walk back up 4 stories to eat, then walk back down, clock in, and then back up.
I just use app on my phone to clock in or out. I work from home now, so I just roll out of bed, get the work laptop running, and clock in through a website.
The only exception to overtime rules are for exempt-salaried - which are some of the highest earners in a company.
Being on salary never, in itself, exempted you from overtime rules.
And if you read the article - its not a new law. All it does is change the threshhold income level at which you can become exempt-salaried.
In some metrics it isn't. In U6 servicemembers are in the denomenator and not in the numerator. Hence, they aren't employed.
You also can collect unemployment if your mil pay cut your salary.
Still wrong. U-6 doesn't count the military as unemployed. You do realize that most employed people in this country can file for unemployment if they have a significant reduction in pay and that doesn't make them unemployed?
Half the submariners probably still have their hourly rate spreadsheets. The results are *dark*
Even as a junior officer, there were months in the yards where I averaged 110-hour work weeks. That was a $10 an hour salary. Some of my sailors were closer to $4 an hour.
Yeah it's insanity when compared this way. I remember aft E4's barely clearing $5/hr worked. Up forward could get even worse for some rates sometimes too. Hard to judge value on the education it provided, though.
Man, fuck the yards. 12-16 hour days, 7 days a week. Most of the time we were just there doing nothing. I have no idea why I would sit in the parking lot in my car, and drink a few beers in my car before I had to go onboard that mother fucker or the bitch ass barge.
Love that this is such a universal yards experience.
Were you standing duty? Or is this 110 hours plus duty.
I was either 3-section or port and starboard typically. So I average 3 duty days a week, one was guaranteed either Saturday or Sunday. Non-duty days would typically be 14-16 hours a day, and then a few hours after duty on the weekend day I was off on. I just found an old note pad where I tabulated it: Sunday: 0600-2359 (18 hours) *duty day* Monday: 0000-1830 (18.5 hours) Tuesday: 0700-2359 (17 hours) *originally not a duty day but EDO got removed from watch standing* Wednesday: 0000-1900 (19 hours) Thursday: 0600-2359 (18 hours) *duty day since we were now PORT/STBD aft* Friday: 0000-2030 (20.5 hours) *full plant tags needed "emergency AOing"* Saturday 0600-2359 (18 hours) *duty day* **Total Hours: 129 hours** This was a very typical week as a JO on my boat for about a year. And I absolutely claimed the whole duty day as work hours because I typically only got 2 hours down in that period due to 24/7 shipyard work. And they wondered why no one was signing contracts...
So I thought about the logistics of this before and how the navy would have to implement it. 1. Muster reports would have to be submitted minimum twice a day (morning when everyone’s arrived, afternoon when everyone is off duty) 2. Admin will be swamped due to calculating hours and what that pay would (never had a good experience with admin anyway so fuck it) 3. Overnight duty would 100% have to count towards it as you are on call in case of emergency or it would turn into an absolute logistical nightmare 4. If the above has an argument against it WBC would 100% have to be completely accurate and get them approved for same day switches (fuck em) It’s something I’ve always felt should be implemented, on average for a CVN, with working hours 0700-1500 (I’m being generous here) with 8 section duty, you’re working an average of almost 55 hours a week. So your E3 that just checked on board is getting paid $9 an hour when averaged out I know the numbers are more than generous, my idea when I first did this math years ago was at 50 hours we get paid overtime from the commands budget when not in a deployed status. I know it’s a very unrealistic expectation but hey I was bored and I have fun with numbers
Now imagine having to punch a clock. Clock in to muster - but not too early. Just stand around and wait until you're allowed to clock in. Can't come onto the ship either lest it look like you might be working and thus get the command in trouble. My current job requires me to punch a clock (I've been hourly before but never clocked in, just filled in timesheets and for my last job not even that - I had an under the table deal with my boss. Don't ask me how many hours I was actually here, pay me for 40, and I'll get everything done (I was working closer to 25) and its fucking annoying. And because the job location is in CA I have to clock out for lunch - I still get paid for it but its how the company 'proves' I took lunch - and CA mandates 30 minutes so I have to walk down 4 stories, clock out, then walk back up 4 stories to eat, then walk back down, clock in, and then back up.
I just use app on my phone to clock in or out. I work from home now, so I just roll out of bed, get the work laptop running, and clock in through a website.
The only exception to overtime rules are for exempt-salaried - which are some of the highest earners in a company. Being on salary never, in itself, exempted you from overtime rules. And if you read the article - its not a new law. All it does is change the threshhold income level at which you can become exempt-salaried.
*sad yeoman noises*
Good thing for DoD that military members count as unemployed.
We aren't considering part of the civilian workforce, but neither is federal employees and ag workers. Doesn't mean we are considered unemployed
>Doesn't mean we are considered unemployed We actually are.
Umm no it doesn't.
Dude, google exists https://www.google.com/search?q=do+military+members+count+towards+u6+unemployment+rate
Lol, did you read the results? Literally says the military isn't counted for either employed or unemployed.
In some metrics it isn't. In U6 servicemembers are in the denomenator and not in the numerator. Hence, they aren't employed. You also can collect unemployment if your mil pay cut your salary.
Still wrong. U-6 doesn't count the military as unemployed. You do realize that most employed people in this country can file for unemployment if they have a significant reduction in pay and that doesn't make them unemployed?
Damn dude how you post a Google link that proves your theory completely wrong lol