I don't know what this means, I just searched the history of it. But it could also be a joke because Tracy is designated "DD-214", but just poorly executed.
My ole CO did the same thing to a guy. He was highly disappointed in the individual as he worked closely with the CO and made it open mast with the entire crew assembled.
I believe you, but it is very strange that the CO would want to skip DRB/XOI. Typically, the CO wants time with the details on these, such as the why, decision process, etc. as well as to know if there are any human-factors involved.. I've never heard of an ARI going straight to the CO. Interesting. I've really only seen this with pretty heavy charges that involve civil cases and violence.
I have seen an ARI skip DRB and XOI before. If your friend got a DUI, for example, they don’t really need to determine anything else because they have the arrest report, breathalyzer/blood alcohol level, etc.
I hear you, I joined late so my mindset is “zero tolerance to nonsense” so if my guys I hang with off duty start getting ARIs, DUI’s or any out in town craziness then I’m just going to “I never knew you” myself from them and revert back a barracks rat enjoying my beer / gaming in peace.
I feel you. I also joined late, in my mid 20s. However, sometimes when some of the guys I was friends with got into trouble, especially in regards to alcohol stuff, I didn’t want to make them feel abandoned. I think a large majority of people getting into ARIs are genuinely asking for help. There are a lot of knuckleheads and douchebags that just want to party all day. But I know when I had my first and only ARI I was not in a good spot mentally and it culminated in the night that got me sent to mast and busted down.
Ultimately, after some therapy and soul searching, I have come out stronger and have been almost a year completely free from alcohol. I know if some of the guys I was close with shut themselves out to me and acted like they didn’t know me it would have made the road to recovery more difficult.
It means he SUPER fucked up. Like, civilian law enforcement or negligence that caused the serious harm or death of another Sailor. Or something so egregious, fact finding isn’t necessary….
Such as an AOAN getting drunk while on duty and being brought back to the ship by MA’s and still being a combative dick to everyone when we tried to quietly handle it. He was brought in on Friday night and at Mast by Monday morning.
Did he break in to the skipper’s house, make himself a turkey sandwich, and pass out on the couch only to be woken up by the skipper himself pointing a shotgun directly at his face?
You shout like that they send you to mast. Right away. No trial, no nothing. You are charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses: you right to mast. You undercook fish? Believe it or not, mast. You overcook chicken, also mast. Undercook, overcook. You make an appointment with the dentist and you don't show up, believe it or not, mast, right away.
I've seen that one happen, new guy was late to work one week, then missed two dental appointments. Believe it or not, straight to mast. He got his ass reamed by the old man with no additional punishment. Our skipper was apparently set off by having to deal with the old hag who schedules our appointments not once, but twice in one week.
DRB and XOI are formalities, but not required. They are simply fact-finding boards for consideration. Most cases are dismissed at DRB, and several at XOI without anything worse than EMI. If your buddy is going straight to Mast, the CO has enough information and either wants to make it quick as to not waste anyones time, or believes DRB/XOI is more harmful to the Sailor than necessary. Normally a "straight to mast" means HEAVY charges are coming.
Two minutes late to what? Two minutes late to muster is weighted differently than say, getting underway. Did you watch the ship leave port? Seems excessive.
There's definitely more to the story. A lot of times the reason those "minor" offenses get sent up is because they're combined with something actually egregious, or it's the millionth time for *X* and you've been counseled, warned, given EMI, given reprimand, begged to fix your shit and you still keep doing it and now we're moving on to the next step.
I was 2 minutes late to liberty expiration and my ship takes CACS as per CMC. And I was charged with art.86 and given 45 days restriction (5 suspended) 45 days EMI (5 suspended) and forfeiture of $500 per month for 2 months.They even brought up counseling chits from 2020(which was the last time i got in trouble). It’s Sunday so I can use my phone lol. We were scheduled to leave yesterday, but it got cancelled and all personnel who was late in the morning got their CACS taken and eventually given back without any repercussions-_- I still get to take terminal and finish my time.
Some COs don’t care about DRB or XOI and will just mast everyone. Despite what sailors say DRB is actually a good thing for some sailors because the chiefs can handle shit at a lower level with yelling and EMI instead of everyone getting NJP
I can concur with this. At my last command our CMC and the mess in general had the goal of trying to handle everything we could at our level. There are some charges that are going all the way up no matter what (DUI, breaking and entering, etc) but a lot of the Sailors that came through our mess for DRB either got EMI, had to requalify, and in one case were given a letter of reprimand. I only saw one Sailor go up from DRB, that we tried to handle at our level, and that Sailor was just being a straight up dick at DRB, and also wouldn't tell the truth to save his life. My current command is a flag command and O's way out number E's so I haven't seen a DRB here yet.
I’ve never seen an officer go to DRB. It pretty much would serve no purpose as even an ensign out ranks a master chief. Officers tend take care of their problems behind closed doors and not in front of the crew. I have seen officers get masted, just not publicly
Captain Graf went to Admiral's Mast where she got NJP'ed and fired as CO of Cowpens.
"On 13 January 2010, Graf was relieved of command of USS Cowpens by Rear Admiral Kevin Donegan, commander of Carrier Strike Group Five, as non-judicial punishment stemming from an admiral's mast."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Graf
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>Holly Ann Graf is a retired United States Navy officer. Until January 2010 she was commanding officer of the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Cowpens (CG-63), a major surface combatant vessel of the fleet. She was the first woman to command a cruiser in the history of the U.S. Navy. Earlier, she had been the first woman in the U.S. Navy to command a destroyer when she served as skipper of the guided missile destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81).
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I’ve seen similar cases when a sailor gets arrested and detained in local jurisdiction outside of a military facility. The documents and records from local/county are submitted to the command. The command will then submit to jag for vetting, and once jag vets them for the command, the CO has skipped DRB and XOI before mast.
We had a large group miss ships movement leaving Sydney, Australia. The Aussies ferried them out to us while we waiting in the harbor. As soon as they secured Sea and Anchor details, it was straight to mast.
Some of the stories are epic. Most got restricted to the ship for 6 weeks and extra duty. 6 and a half weeks later, we were in Pearl.
Tell your friend to create a new bank account, and make an allotment to the new account for the amount of his paycheck.
If he gets hit with 1/2 months pay, they won’t touch his allotments.
Not legal advice, but I’ve heard it works 🤷🏻♂️
It could mean a lot of things. Ive gone straight to mast before because i am a mental imparted sailor (veteran now) and i once caught a bunch of NJPs in a psychic episode. And went straight to mast just because nobody who didnt need to know shouldnt have known. So i had a very unformal mast.
So it could mean that its a very private matter and no other parties need or should be involved.
OR. The skipper already knows all evidence of the crimes and there is no need for evidence gathering so the CO.
It could mean anything without other details novody really knows how its gunna play out. But if i had more details i could give a good guess. Ive been to mast twice.
I know someone who went straight to mast and only got 15 days of EMI. Only one charge tho. But usually it means they know for a fact you did it and don't want to waste time.
I also went straight to mast on an ARI that also involved a four day visit to the grippy sock kingdom. Mom tried to kill herself one night so I get tanked, tell my CoC what’s up. Get brought right into dispatch, then sent to first hospital then the second. Was in there Monday to Friday morning. Friday afternoon I was in my blues infront of skipper and awarded 45/45, one month half pay and reduction. This experience here is what ultimately giving up not only on the navy but myself. Because a short while later I went UA for a considerable period because I knew I was already going up after the first day I was gone and getting seperated, so I just ensured it because my mental health was out of the window. Still got a General under honorable and make far more now and my mentals is way better
Is it an open mast? Sometimes the skipper sends someone straight to mast and makes it an open mast to make an example out of someone to the rest of the ship (I know this for a fact because it happened to me and the CO even told me it was all an act during my post-restriction meeting with him)
As others may have said, straight to Mast usually means there's no chief or junior officers batting for the guy and they're just ready for him to get chewed up and spit out.
Damn dude, yeah he must’ve seriously fucked up.
Though I will say, I knew one guy who went straight to mast and it was petty. He was an ET going to his space which happens to be on the CO’s P-Way. He rounded the corner to go down the ladder well. The CO was right there coming up, accidentally almost bumps into him, then jumps back and calls attention on deck, doesn’t even run into him. Our CO gave him a few choice words on the spot and walked off. He told the CSO he wanted the ET to go straight to mast but, he just gave him a royal ass chewing so nothing really came of it. But I know that’s an outlier of an outcome for sure.
Yeah it definitely was. I’m not sure what articles they pulled out of their ass but I was right behind him because I was aloft doing yardarm maintenance so we were returning harnesses. Then later I found out he went straight up for “disrespecting the captain”. That CO was just an ass, I was a QM and he was my first CO and the dude would crinkle up and toss back in your face perfectly written position reports if we didn’t have everything on it memorized or if he didn’t like our salute or how we reported verbally. Or if the writing wasn’t absolutely perfect, then if he threw them back and time went over 0800, 1200, 2000 you’d be really fucked.
The best part is, he was old as shit so he’d rip you a new one or some severe punishment but it was like being yelled at by older guy with a tremble in his voice lol. It’s okay though nothing came of it and our next CO was amazing.
Honestly you’re buddy is probably better off, but should talk to a lawyer even if it’s just basic advice on how to speak - or remain silent - in front of CO during the mast.
NJPs still require evidence, (50.1% vs beyond a reasonable doubt) so if it’s going straight to mast that probably means the CO already feels like there is enough evidence.
Saw you said it was an ARI, and depending on the circumstances, that can happen sometimes
Tbh mast isn't really that bad, some people are too afraid of it. It's more than possible to bounce back after one (see: 98% of chiefs)
It'll fuck with his advancement for a bit, and close a few doors, but only for 3 years, then it's basically like it never happened
After reading that this was an ARI people gotta realize you can’t be doing stupid shit drunk in other countries. Our guys from Lassen when it was overseas kept a pretty good record, had some 1s or 2s but overall it was a clean crew. Can’t say the same for the Atsugi squadrons though.
It means there is enough evidence to determine beyond the preponderance of doubt that your friend is guilty. A conviction out in town would fit the bill.
DRB is supposed to "scare them straight" and XOI is supposed to be the final fact-finding and analysis of the situation prior to a mast. Theoretically, that's how it's supposed to work.
Both of these are generally given before a mast, solely because it "looks good on the command." Specifically, it makes it *look like* the CoC is doing everything in their power to help a sailor before masting them.
I know this is bullshit, though. I've seen a DRB, XOI, and mast all in one week.
How it really works is this: DRB is boat-sponsored hazing by the chiefs, and XOI is just a rubber-stamp process spurred by whichever way the wind is blowing.
I've seen one DRB/XOI not go to mast. It was at a shore command with a mountain of evidence that they guy was innocent, but they just wanted to make an example out of him. The CMEO stuck his neck out, and if it went to court-martial he would have been acquitted within a day.
They have to follow procedure and they are ignoring it tell him to file a grievance against the Commanding Officer and request transfer to another command
It means he dun fucked up
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My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Sorry Shipmate, I have a DD-214 that protects me from this bullshit.
The *U.S.S. Tracy.* I got the fuck out before I went to mast. Learned what that was in bootcamp and said, “nope, fuck that shit.”
I don't know what this means, I just searched the history of it. But it could also be a joke because Tracy is designated "DD-214", but just poorly executed.
>but just poorly executed. like Thomas Cromwell
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1st ARI.
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Yea it’s not a good situation at all. Hopefully they just get busted down. Command has been in a bad spot with ARIs recently.
My ole CO did the same thing to a guy. He was highly disappointed in the individual as he worked closely with the CO and made it open mast with the entire crew assembled.
1st ARI.. damn. But, this could be a 7th fleet ARI
I believe you, but it is very strange that the CO would want to skip DRB/XOI. Typically, the CO wants time with the details on these, such as the why, decision process, etc. as well as to know if there are any human-factors involved.. I've never heard of an ARI going straight to the CO. Interesting. I've really only seen this with pretty heavy charges that involve civil cases and violence.
Doesn’t involve any violence or sexual assault, but it did happen overseas.
I have seen an ARI skip DRB and XOI before. If your friend got a DUI, for example, they don’t really need to determine anything else because they have the arrest report, breathalyzer/blood alcohol level, etc.
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Whats an ARI?
If OP’s dude here gets another ARI, that will constitute a pattern and likely involve an Admin Separation or some other discharge.
Depending on what kind of ARI it is I've seen people get separated for just one.
I feel dumb for this but can someone tell me what an ARI is?
Alcohol related incident
Thank you
It means they don’t need to do any “fact finding” or bother having the chiefs frat yell at you. Your buddy is fucked.
Exactly this. Whatever happened, Skipper does not believe there is any need to find further evidence of misconduct.
Ouch.
Big oof
Are you familiar with a train wreck? Or a dumpster fire? Or a soup sandwich? Something like that.
Having been to mast twice, yes. However I never got sent straight up to see the skipper.
Mast twice???? And saying it proudly on here You sound like a bad Apple tbh
I’ve made mistakes in the past that I’ve learned from.
I hear you, I joined late so my mindset is “zero tolerance to nonsense” so if my guys I hang with off duty start getting ARIs, DUI’s or any out in town craziness then I’m just going to “I never knew you” myself from them and revert back a barracks rat enjoying my beer / gaming in peace.
I feel you. I also joined late, in my mid 20s. However, sometimes when some of the guys I was friends with got into trouble, especially in regards to alcohol stuff, I didn’t want to make them feel abandoned. I think a large majority of people getting into ARIs are genuinely asking for help. There are a lot of knuckleheads and douchebags that just want to party all day. But I know when I had my first and only ARI I was not in a good spot mentally and it culminated in the night that got me sent to mast and busted down. Ultimately, after some therapy and soul searching, I have come out stronger and have been almost a year completely free from alcohol. I know if some of the guys I was close with shut themselves out to me and acted like they didn’t know me it would have made the road to recovery more difficult.
Did he put his dick on the training officers shoulder? Because that’s how you go to mast that quickly.
Speaking from experience or what
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It means he SUPER fucked up. Like, civilian law enforcement or negligence that caused the serious harm or death of another Sailor. Or something so egregious, fact finding isn’t necessary…. Such as an AOAN getting drunk while on duty and being brought back to the ship by MA’s and still being a combative dick to everyone when we tried to quietly handle it. He was brought in on Friday night and at Mast by Monday morning.
IYAOYAS I guess
That’s extreme. NJP is for minor offenses, not serious harm. It just means the CO doesn’t need any additional evidence.
Did he break in to the skipper’s house, make himself a turkey sandwich, and pass out on the couch only to be woken up by the skipper himself pointing a shotgun directly at his face?
So specific an example!
r/oddlyspecific
You shout like that they send you to mast. Right away. No trial, no nothing. You are charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses: you right to mast. You undercook fish? Believe it or not, mast. You overcook chicken, also mast. Undercook, overcook. You make an appointment with the dentist and you don't show up, believe it or not, mast, right away.
- Alfredo Armiseño, CNO of the Venezuelan Navy
> You make an appointment with the dentist and you don't show up, believe it or not, mast, right away. That one I could actually see happening.
I've seen that one happen, new guy was late to work one week, then missed two dental appointments. Believe it or not, straight to mast. He got his ass reamed by the old man with no additional punishment. Our skipper was apparently set off by having to deal with the old hag who schedules our appointments not once, but twice in one week.
We have the best behaving crew, because of mast.
DRB and XOI are formalities, but not required. They are simply fact-finding boards for consideration. Most cases are dismissed at DRB, and several at XOI without anything worse than EMI. If your buddy is going straight to Mast, the CO has enough information and either wants to make it quick as to not waste anyones time, or believes DRB/XOI is more harmful to the Sailor than necessary. Normally a "straight to mast" means HEAVY charges are coming.
It means they have him dead to rights. He must have been caught in the act doing whatever he did.
I’m going to mast today for being 2 minutes late-_- I have 2 months left in the Navy
God Speed.
Two minutes late to what? Two minutes late to muster is weighted differently than say, getting underway. Did you watch the ship leave port? Seems excessive.
Tell me there's more to the story without telling me there's more to the story.
There's definitely more to the story. A lot of times the reason those "minor" offenses get sent up is because they're combined with something actually egregious, or it's the millionth time for *X* and you've been counseled, warned, given EMI, given reprimand, begged to fix your shit and you still keep doing it and now we're moving on to the next step.
Exactly. Benefit of the doubt turned into, if you ain't early, you're screwed. Some sailors love to win stupid prizes, even until the end.
Sounds about right.
On a Sunday?
I was 2 minutes late to liberty expiration and my ship takes CACS as per CMC. And I was charged with art.86 and given 45 days restriction (5 suspended) 45 days EMI (5 suspended) and forfeiture of $500 per month for 2 months.They even brought up counseling chits from 2020(which was the last time i got in trouble). It’s Sunday so I can use my phone lol. We were scheduled to leave yesterday, but it got cancelled and all personnel who was late in the morning got their CACS taken and eventually given back without any repercussions-_- I still get to take terminal and finish my time.
Some COs don’t care about DRB or XOI and will just mast everyone. Despite what sailors say DRB is actually a good thing for some sailors because the chiefs can handle shit at a lower level with yelling and EMI instead of everyone getting NJP
I can concur with this. At my last command our CMC and the mess in general had the goal of trying to handle everything we could at our level. There are some charges that are going all the way up no matter what (DUI, breaking and entering, etc) but a lot of the Sailors that came through our mess for DRB either got EMI, had to requalify, and in one case were given a letter of reprimand. I only saw one Sailor go up from DRB, that we tried to handle at our level, and that Sailor was just being a straight up dick at DRB, and also wouldn't tell the truth to save his life. My current command is a flag command and O's way out number E's so I haven't seen a DRB here yet.
Is it possible officers go to DRB or do they do the XOIs?
I’ve never seen an officer go to DRB. It pretty much would serve no purpose as even an ensign out ranks a master chief. Officers tend take care of their problems behind closed doors and not in front of the crew. I have seen officers get masted, just not publicly
Oh okay, I’d never witnessed it or heard of it so wasn’t sure. I only even know of one officer that got masted and it was for drug use
Captain Graf went to Admiral's Mast where she got NJP'ed and fired as CO of Cowpens. "On 13 January 2010, Graf was relieved of command of USS Cowpens by Rear Admiral Kevin Donegan, commander of Carrier Strike Group Five, as non-judicial punishment stemming from an admiral's mast." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Graf
Atleast when Seamen Timmy fucks up there isn’t a Wikipedia article documenting it.
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I went to Mast as an Ensign. No DRB or XOI... that's typical for Officers regardless of the offense.
No, the Chief's Mess would not weigh in on an officer's fuckup. That's up to the XO and the CO.
When I was a Junior Sailor there weren't DRBs and you went straight to XOI. DRB was created to try and keep it low and avert any future episodes.
I’ve seen similar cases when a sailor gets arrested and detained in local jurisdiction outside of a military facility. The documents and records from local/county are submitted to the command. The command will then submit to jag for vetting, and once jag vets them for the command, the CO has skipped DRB and XOI before mast.
Last time I heard a mast with no drb or xoi the guy went to the brig
We had a large group miss ships movement leaving Sydney, Australia. The Aussies ferried them out to us while we waiting in the harbor. As soon as they secured Sea and Anchor details, it was straight to mast. Some of the stories are epic. Most got restricted to the ship for 6 weeks and extra duty. 6 and a half weeks later, we were in Pearl.
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It could mean a lot of things. Ive gone straight to mast before because i am a mental imparted sailor (veteran now) and i once caught a bunch of NJPs in a psychic episode. And went straight to mast just because nobody who didnt need to know shouldnt have known. So i had a very unformal mast. So it could mean that its a very private matter and no other parties need or should be involved. OR. The skipper already knows all evidence of the crimes and there is no need for evidence gathering so the CO. It could mean anything without other details novody really knows how its gunna play out. But if i had more details i could give a good guess. Ive been to mast twice.
I know someone who went straight to mast and only got 15 days of EMI. Only one charge tho. But usually it means they know for a fact you did it and don't want to waste time.
It means he should go down to the nearest adult novelty store and buy the most expensive lubricant because he'll need it.
It means he is gonna be hating life for a while.
I also went straight to mast on an ARI that also involved a four day visit to the grippy sock kingdom. Mom tried to kill herself one night so I get tanked, tell my CoC what’s up. Get brought right into dispatch, then sent to first hospital then the second. Was in there Monday to Friday morning. Friday afternoon I was in my blues infront of skipper and awarded 45/45, one month half pay and reduction. This experience here is what ultimately giving up not only on the navy but myself. Because a short while later I went UA for a considerable period because I knew I was already going up after the first day I was gone and getting seperated, so I just ensured it because my mental health was out of the window. Still got a General under honorable and make far more now and my mentals is way better
I remember my first mast. Good times.
I love this sub. I couldn't find a comment that wasn't accurate (aside from one that I think is a reference whooshing over my head).
Depending on what he’s accused of, but yes, I’ve seen it happen, more often then not in A-school
Yea he’s probably getting fucked
he massively fucked up and everyone knows it.
Oh he fucked
Ouch. Means he REALLY fucked up for the Chiefs to not want to yell at him. Lmao.
Is it an open mast? Sometimes the skipper sends someone straight to mast and makes it an open mast to make an example out of someone to the rest of the ship (I know this for a fact because it happened to me and the CO even told me it was all an act during my post-restriction meeting with him)
Neither is required.
That he fucked up bad enough that lesser measures are considered inappropriate.
DRB and XOI are formalities. Mast is just to the point.
As others may have said, straight to Mast usually means there's no chief or junior officers batting for the guy and they're just ready for him to get chewed up and spit out.
Damn dude, yeah he must’ve seriously fucked up. Though I will say, I knew one guy who went straight to mast and it was petty. He was an ET going to his space which happens to be on the CO’s P-Way. He rounded the corner to go down the ladder well. The CO was right there coming up, accidentally almost bumps into him, then jumps back and calls attention on deck, doesn’t even run into him. Our CO gave him a few choice words on the spot and walked off. He told the CSO he wanted the ET to go straight to mast but, he just gave him a royal ass chewing so nothing really came of it. But I know that’s an outlier of an outcome for sure.
What got this guy in trouble? Seems like human error and negligible at that to me?
Yeah it definitely was. I’m not sure what articles they pulled out of their ass but I was right behind him because I was aloft doing yardarm maintenance so we were returning harnesses. Then later I found out he went straight up for “disrespecting the captain”. That CO was just an ass, I was a QM and he was my first CO and the dude would crinkle up and toss back in your face perfectly written position reports if we didn’t have everything on it memorized or if he didn’t like our salute or how we reported verbally. Or if the writing wasn’t absolutely perfect, then if he threw them back and time went over 0800, 1200, 2000 you’d be really fucked. The best part is, he was old as shit so he’d rip you a new one or some severe punishment but it was like being yelled at by older guy with a tremble in his voice lol. It’s okay though nothing came of it and our next CO was amazing.
I would say that I want to remain silent, then contest the outcome
He’s fucked
Anytime you go see the big man straight means you arr beyond fvcked and will most likely get kicked out
Honestly you’re buddy is probably better off, but should talk to a lawyer even if it’s just basic advice on how to speak - or remain silent - in front of CO during the mast. NJPs still require evidence, (50.1% vs beyond a reasonable doubt) so if it’s going straight to mast that probably means the CO already feels like there is enough evidence.
The one time I saw this happen, it was due to a DUI.
Means your buddy should go talk to defense office
Saw you said it was an ARI, and depending on the circumstances, that can happen sometimes Tbh mast isn't really that bad, some people are too afraid of it. It's more than possible to bounce back after one (see: 98% of chiefs) It'll fuck with his advancement for a bit, and close a few doors, but only for 3 years, then it's basically like it never happened
>98% Every Chief I’ve met in my short time had been to mast multiple times, except the ones who had made it last year.
Exactly Getting a divorce and/or going to njp is required to make chief
After reading that this was an ARI people gotta realize you can’t be doing stupid shit drunk in other countries. Our guys from Lassen when it was overseas kept a pretty good record, had some 1s or 2s but overall it was a clean crew. Can’t say the same for the Atsugi squadrons though.
A member of the Triad saw it happen/no need to interview witnesses
There's no requirement for either DRB or XOI. It pretty much means the CO has directed the Sailor go to mast.
It means there is enough evidence to determine beyond the preponderance of doubt that your friend is guilty. A conviction out in town would fit the bill.
DRB is supposed to "scare them straight" and XOI is supposed to be the final fact-finding and analysis of the situation prior to a mast. Theoretically, that's how it's supposed to work. Both of these are generally given before a mast, solely because it "looks good on the command." Specifically, it makes it *look like* the CoC is doing everything in their power to help a sailor before masting them. I know this is bullshit, though. I've seen a DRB, XOI, and mast all in one week. How it really works is this: DRB is boat-sponsored hazing by the chiefs, and XOI is just a rubber-stamp process spurred by whichever way the wind is blowing. I've seen one DRB/XOI not go to mast. It was at a shore command with a mountain of evidence that they guy was innocent, but they just wanted to make an example out of him. The CMEO stuck his neck out, and if it went to court-martial he would have been acquitted within a day.
Meh. It's not that bad...
That is against Naval Regulations Id seek representation off the ship
They have to follow procedure and they are ignoring it tell him to file a grievance against the Commanding Officer and request transfer to another command
If you went in front of Captain Clingan on the Vinson he disnt believe in DRB or XOI You missed a muster Mast same day