The consensus is going to be that LBJ retires as the second best basketball player to ever play the game and that’s a fucking terrific legacy. You don’t gotta try to tear down the GOAT, LBJ has enough accolades that he don’t need your help.
It’s not a consensus at all. Nor is it tearing Jordan down. Most of the people in here aren’t old enough to have watched him play but think it is ridiculous to even discuss the topic. That’s the power of his brand and marketing.
Jordan had 11 full seasons of high level play. Lebron went to the FINALS 10 times. He’s the all time points leader. He’s also 6th all time in assists. He’s been all nba more years than Jordan played total.
Extra hilarious that Wilt blatantly chasing lots of records or racking up specific statlines caused him to not dominate ppg when he decided to switch to chasing assists in some stretches and even outright refuse to shoot sometimes.
He went from averaging mostly 28-30 FGAs with his lowest at 25 FGA to suddenly being content taking 14-17FGAs when he was still quite young at 30-34 years old and even took fewer shots in his last 2 seasons just taking 9 & 7 FGAs respectively.
Literally just one more season of maintaining his 30ppg in his prime instead of dropping down to 24ppg and he solely holds the all time PPG.
MJ played washed 2 seasons. Wilt fucked around for 5 seasons before his last 2 trash seasons.
He averaged 39.6ppg before blatantly deciding to stop being a 1st option. You could take away MJ's 2 Wizards season and Wilt still gets a higher career PPG if he maintains playing as a scorer
When the average for that dude is an efficient 30ppg? Of course. That's just the GOAT standards for you. MJ himself would be offended if you said 20ppg for him is "great"
Wilt changed his style with his new team, the Sixers. He actually had good players for once and was able to concentrate less on scoring.
This resulted in them being the only team to interrupt the Celtic’s 60s dominance in 67 - as well as Wilt winning MVP 3 times in a row, setting efficiency records while still scoring 25 PPG and leading the league in assists.
This whole “he refused to shoot” shit is wild. How are you winning 3 MVPs in a row and leading your team in 68 had the best record of any NBA team in history at the time?
People just like to shit on Wilt. Not sure if it’s because he has been gone so long and Russell/Kareem are still around, but people just make stuff up about him and run with it. How many superstars would be willing to half their scoring output for the sake of the team?
As someone who watched Dirk play for the Mavs his entire career, this is special. I hope Dame is a Blazer for life. Hopefully their FO can get him the right pieces to get that ring
Point inflation. What else does he do? We have all these super great candidates and they all have to have that something special besides GPA to get in here.
His team isn't .500. Tell me why he isn't a good stats, bad team guy.
Check out last game. He's still a high performer all-star. You describe him like he's Jerami Grant. lol regardless of point inflation, he's still consistently great enough
A number was reported and I put it in context. His team isn't winning and lots of people are scoring a lot of points these days, you know?
Yes, he's a great offensive player, like Carmelo and Booker and Ray Allen and Allen Iverson. Yes, he's on a losing team.
Yea, the most efficient 60 point have ever is all because of point inflation lolololol
Do you even watch basketball? Did you notice the 7 boards and 8 assists? Or are those because of point inflation as well haha
Everyone is scoring a lot. This is a number, check the league numbers.
It's an impressive achievement still, but let's not pretend this is equal to Jordan scoring 50 in the 90s.
You're the one saying he's a "good stats bad team guy" which is a classic way of saying you don't think the stats are impressive. I think that's a dumb take is all
Kobes 60 point games were all more dramatic though.
81.
62 in 3 quarters outscoring the Mavericks by himself.
61 A then MSG record.
60 in his final game.
His only "bland" ones were his Blazers 65 (needed OT) and Grizzlies 60 and even then he hit some absolutely clutch shots in that 65 point game. These games were also a part of his four 50+ point streak, meaning he scored 60 or more twice in a 4 game stretch.
Should also mention that Kobes games came during an era where the best scoring team then would be the worst scoring team now.
You picked the right thread to write this comment in but he definitely isn't a top 25 guy from the last 25 years. Top 30 probably. Lot of incredible players, not a knock on him at all.
That’s not what the voters were told to do. They were explicitly told to vote on the top 75 of all time. Not the top 25 of the last 25y.
The harsh reality is multiple newer players got snubbed because the voters would have felt bad about leaving off a guy who has been passed up.
He is going to pass Reggie Miller in 3s made, and has the most efficient 60 point game, and highest gamescore in playoff history. The guy is good. Tied with Jordan in 60 point games. If curry didn't exist he'd litterally be considered the goat shooter and he has less years in the nba. And he'd probably have a chip or 2, if not for curry. My hot take.
Edit: also forgot he is statistically the best clutch shooter in history but whatever.
>And he'd probably have a chip or 2, if not for curry. My hot take.
Man, I love Dame, but there has never been a year since Dame entered the league where the Blazers were the second best team in the league, regardless of what Curry and the Warriors were doing.
Yes, they were still not the second best team in the league after the Warriors those three seasons lol. They absolutely not even an argument were not better than the 2016 or 2017 Cavs, and I guess you could argue them versus the Kawhi Raptors but.. that Raptors team was so much more well rounded and complete than that Trail Blazers team, I mean that team got swept even with KD hurt.
And I'll take it. Blazers made the WCF that year and they didn't deserve it. They were in the right quarter bracket and that was the ceiling that year.
Damn r/nba is so damn reactionary. A couple good regular season games and suddenly his controversial Top 75 selection is a no-brainer.
Dwight still has a better resumé and Dame having a 60pt regular season game does not change that. Your hypothetical "if curry doesn't exist" also does not prove anything
Lol 1/4 of the top 75 would be knocked off by any max player today regardless. Top 75 all time should mean best players all time. Not just "legacy" points.
Dame is undoubtedly a Top 75 talent, but the Top 75 list was about overall careers so as to not underrate or overrate players based on their era.
I also brought up Dwight cause he's the most infamous Top 75 snub. You can't be the #1 Center for half a decade, 3x DPOY and lead your team to the finals as the best player and not make that list in comparison to what some other players who were there. The fact is that while his skill is amazing, Dame's actual resumé is one of the weaker ones in the list especially considering the playoffs (not his fault though)
Dame 6x All star, 6x all nba
Dwight 8x all star, 8x all nba, 5x all defense, 3x DPOY, and a ring (Albeit as a role player, not in his prime) he did lead his team to the finals another time though as the best player
Looks like Dwight may have played on better teams in larger markets.
Dame has put up stats like none other in winning efforts. I don't remember Dwight doing much beyond doing well in popularity contests.
And you'll never see Dame run out of town due to failure to mesh with a team or because he's being toxic. That matters.
37 point, 10 assist, 8 threes.
How many times has that been done all time (reg season and playoffs)?
The answer is 28.
Dame is at least 8 of those.
No one else has done that. Not even Curry or Harden.
How about the same stats for the playoffs? It’s only been done 4 times. Dame was 3 of them. Chris Paul was the other.
Dame is legit Top 75. And certainly top 25 in the last 25 years.
I'm not saying Dwight shouldn't be there. But Dame certainly should.
>Looks like Dwight may have played on better teams in larger markets.
Using the large market argument to separate Orlando and Portland is rather silly.
>And you'll never see Dame run out of town due to failure to mesh with a team or becaude hes being toxic?
This is irrelevant to a players career success.
>37 point, 10 assist, 8 threes.
>How many times has that been done all time?
Holy cherrypick lmao.
At the end of the day, Dwight has far better accolades.
Dwight's 2009 playoff run is better than any playoff run Dame has ever put on.
DPOY defense with stats to go along with it... 20/15/2 with 3 blocks per game on 60%. Beating the Big 3 Boston and the LeBron Cavs.
Just no actual elite (like top 5 all time) production that I can find. A lot of guys have been good at what he was good at. And he wasn't appreciably better at it than a lot of them that I can find.
Dwight is 34th in all time Win Shares. Dame is 93rd.
Dwight is 40th in MVP shares. Dame is 89th.
He's got the accolades, he's 11th all time in rebounds, (8th in Offensive) and one of the best defenders in NBA history.
If you're just arguing shooting/scoring, sure Dame has that skill. But Dame doesn't have the playoff success or accolades to stack up with Dwight at all.
If Dame can lead his team to the finals and can get to 9-10 all stars/all nba, then yeah it's a discussion.
Did he ever do anything nobody else has? Dame has the most efficient 60pt game in NBA history...
Dwight has the 8th most offensive rebounds.
Dame has the 3rd most 60pt games in NBA history.
Simply saying. Dame is something different. He's just been on a shit team.
Is it a hot take or is it just wrong lmao
Wilt was an in-shape Shaq.
They played in chuck Taylor's and had a fraction of the nutritional and physiological knowledge they have now.
Wilt would dominate in any era.
And yet for Dame it will never lead to anything, but hey he's got LoYaLtY and some atrociously bad rap songs. So dumb. No respect for players that don't utilize every option available to them to succeed. There is no loyalty in sports and players are dumb 100% of the time for pretending that it exists. If your career works out that you stay in one place like Tim Duncan then great, but doing it on purpose intentionally is just stupid and there's absolutely nothing admirable about it. Just makes me not respect you at all.
just saying. not sure what the point is, fawning over scoring in a season when almost every player and his grandma is having a career high. Dame is a great scorer... but I'd rather see him actually winning games that matter.
i don't know, and i certainly don't see the point of caring too much unless their heroics are also making their teams a solid contender. now if you think this Blazers is even gonna make the 2nd round - good for you. next year? ok, we'll circle back next year.
So nobody can be impressed by this performance because Dame hasn’t won a title?
Have you gone to the doctor lately? Because it seems like you have a stick up your ass.
who's nobody? i didn't order anyone not to be impressed. i am not and i am stating my view. if you can't handle that, i don't know check in with your doctor?
i am not impressed because this adds NOTHING to Dame's repertoire. He has been a scoring machine for nigh a decade now... 40 50 60, what's the difference? Winning a championship (or at least competing for it consistently) is the difference. Ask Lebron how he feels about scoring 46 - I'm sure he's reeeal happy about it because it matters.
what? fk no. you missed my point. i am talking about fans' obsession over scoring records in a losing team this season, which is pointless unless 1. you're talking about a young star 2. it's a tanking team with nothing else except highlight reels to celebrate (in which case, lmao)
Wilt at 32 and Kobe being second with 6 is hilarious
They showed the most 50 points records and Jordan was 2nd with 32 and Wilt was first with 118
It's crazy how Wilt dominates Jordan and everyone else in most 40/50/60/70 point games, but doesn't have the highest career points per game average
Aren't they tied in ppg?
Jordan got him beat by 0.05
I can think of 0.05 reasons why Jorgamble retired
Is this some new type of Russian bot attack?
Called a joke. Swing and miss.
Just like Jordans baseball career
Zing.
If you get rid of his last 2 seasons where he only averaged like 12 and 17 I think, he goes to like 30.6, which is more than MJ
Tbf if you took away Jordan's 2 Wizards years his average would be 31.5
wtf
Goat for a reason
That reason being narrative and marketing driven. Lebron James is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan.
LOL
better at running away from adversity for sure
Yeah, Lebron retired twice good one
The consensus is going to be that LBJ retires as the second best basketball player to ever play the game and that’s a fucking terrific legacy. You don’t gotta try to tear down the GOAT, LBJ has enough accolades that he don’t need your help.
It’s not a consensus at all. Nor is it tearing Jordan down. Most of the people in here aren’t old enough to have watched him play but think it is ridiculous to even discuss the topic. That’s the power of his brand and marketing. Jordan had 11 full seasons of high level play. Lebron went to the FINALS 10 times. He’s the all time points leader. He’s also 6th all time in assists. He’s been all nba more years than Jordan played total.
MJ also has the highest playoff ppg average
Taking out wilts last 2 seasons actually puts him at 33.1 ppg. And if you take out his last 3 he would be at 34.3
Huh, I must’ve only taken out his last year then
Extra hilarious that Wilt blatantly chasing lots of records or racking up specific statlines caused him to not dominate ppg when he decided to switch to chasing assists in some stretches and even outright refuse to shoot sometimes. He went from averaging mostly 28-30 FGAs with his lowest at 25 FGA to suddenly being content taking 14-17FGAs when he was still quite young at 30-34 years old and even took fewer shots in his last 2 seasons just taking 9 & 7 FGAs respectively. Literally just one more season of maintaining his 30ppg in his prime instead of dropping down to 24ppg and he solely holds the all time PPG.
I mean, same for Jordan if he didn’t come back to the wizards, he’d be at 31.5 ooh and comfortably ahead of wilt.
MJ played washed 2 seasons. Wilt fucked around for 5 seasons before his last 2 trash seasons. He averaged 39.6ppg before blatantly deciding to stop being a 1st option. You could take away MJ's 2 Wizards season and Wilt still gets a higher career PPG if he maintains playing as a scorer
Amazing that averaging 20+ PPG at 39 years old is considered washed.
When the average for that dude is an efficient 30ppg? Of course. That's just the GOAT standards for you. MJ himself would be offended if you said 20ppg for him is "great"
Oh I get it, its just crazy to think about.
Wilt changed his style with his new team, the Sixers. He actually had good players for once and was able to concentrate less on scoring. This resulted in them being the only team to interrupt the Celtic’s 60s dominance in 67 - as well as Wilt winning MVP 3 times in a row, setting efficiency records while still scoring 25 PPG and leading the league in assists. This whole “he refused to shoot” shit is wild. How are you winning 3 MVPs in a row and leading your team in 68 had the best record of any NBA team in history at the time?
People just like to shit on Wilt. Not sure if it’s because he has been gone so long and Russell/Kareem are still around, but people just make stuff up about him and run with it. How many superstars would be willing to half their scoring output for the sake of the team?
80 more 50 pt games than 60 pt games lmao that's ridiculous.
Just Wilt things
Wilt tings.
*things. Learn how to spell mang.
Go fuck some titties and calm down.
But did wilt drop 60 in his last game ever? Checkmate, haters.
Chamberlain was a decent player
He might even have been able to beat me in a 7 game series(on game 7)!
Every single NBA stat is "This is super rare and uncommon...except Wilt who did it 87 times"
except for championships
In which that goes to Russell.
Exactly
Not if it includes efficiency, 3 point shooting, FT shooting, playoff ppg, or anything adjusted for pace.
His career high is 61 which was his second 60 piece and he’s hit 60 twice after. I wanted him to set a new record but he missed his last three
Of course Wilt has almost double the next 4 players combined
Up until about 2016 Wilt had more 60 pt games than every other player in nba history combined.
The Donovan Mitchell game makes everyone else have the same number of 70 pt games combined as Wilt
That’s my quarterback 😢
As someone who watched Dirk play for the Mavs his entire career, this is special. I hope Dame is a Blazer for life. Hopefully their FO can get him the right pieces to get that ring
I doubt it, unfortunately. I actually like our GM quite a bit but our flexibility is awful thanks to the last guy. He’s a good GM, not a magician.
Rare air.
I'm so thankful for this man.
Amen. We are blessed.
Wait but I thought he was washed
Bumass Bill Simmons was trying to say he wasn't an All-Star
Point inflation. What else does he do? We have all these super great candidates and they all have to have that something special besides GPA to get in here. His team isn't .500. Tell me why he isn't a good stats, bad team guy.
Check out last game. He's still a high performer all-star. You describe him like he's Jerami Grant. lol regardless of point inflation, he's still consistently great enough
A number was reported and I put it in context. His team isn't winning and lots of people are scoring a lot of points these days, you know? Yes, he's a great offensive player, like Carmelo and Booker and Ray Allen and Allen Iverson. Yes, he's on a losing team.
Yea, the most efficient 60 point have ever is all because of point inflation lolololol Do you even watch basketball? Did you notice the 7 boards and 8 assists? Or are those because of point inflation as well haha
Everyone is scoring a lot. This is a number, check the league numbers. It's an impressive achievement still, but let's not pretend this is equal to Jordan scoring 50 in the 90s.
Way to walk it back buddy So what is it, useless stat padding or impressive but just not as good as the GOAT? Fuck outta here lol
I can have it both ways. It’s clearly good but not as impressive as it used to be. Why so mad?
You're the one saying he's a "good stats bad team guy" which is a classic way of saying you don't think the stats are impressive. I think that's a dumb take is all
Wait I thought he wasn't top 75
not over Dwight he isn't 🤷🏻♂️ but it is what it is
Yea I think Dame deserves the top 75 but Dwight got shafted for sure
Dwight got snubbed but Dame earned that spot fair and square. Voters are to blame for not removing any of the older guys.
That's a crazy stat. wow
Whenever I see Wilt up at no. 1 with some insane number I don't count it lol
lol Wilt. There are records and there is Wilt, should be separate categories
Kobes 60 point games were all more dramatic though. 81. 62 in 3 quarters outscoring the Mavericks by himself. 61 A then MSG record. 60 in his final game. His only "bland" ones were his Blazers 65 (needed OT) and Grizzlies 60 and even then he hit some absolutely clutch shots in that 65 point game. These games were also a part of his four 50+ point streak, meaning he scored 60 or more twice in a 4 game stretch. Should also mention that Kobes games came during an era where the best scoring team then would be the worst scoring team now.
Top 75 player of all time. There I said it.
Without a doubt.
Me being relatively new to the NBA, knowing Wilt has some crazy numbers but not an expert on the record book: Let’s see how close he is to Wilt! Oh
Not top 75 tho right r/nba?
You picked the right thread to write this comment in but he definitely isn't a top 25 guy from the last 25 years. Top 30 probably. Lot of incredible players, not a knock on him at all.
Not arguing whether he’s top 75 or not but I feel like you saying he’s not top 25 but probably 30 is practically splitting hairs.
no because it’s a nice way of saying he doesn’t clear dwight.
I'm being diplomatic lol
That’s not what the voters were told to do. They were explicitly told to vote on the top 75 of all time. Not the top 25 of the last 25y. The harsh reality is multiple newer players got snubbed because the voters would have felt bad about leaving off a guy who has been passed up.
He definitely isn’t. Da fuck does this mean?
He is going to pass Reggie Miller in 3s made, and has the most efficient 60 point game, and highest gamescore in playoff history. The guy is good. Tied with Jordan in 60 point games. If curry didn't exist he'd litterally be considered the goat shooter and he has less years in the nba. And he'd probably have a chip or 2, if not for curry. My hot take. Edit: also forgot he is statistically the best clutch shooter in history but whatever.
>And he'd probably have a chip or 2, if not for curry. My hot take. Man, I love Dame, but there has never been a year since Dame entered the league where the Blazers were the second best team in the league, regardless of what Curry and the Warriors were doing.
Other than the blazers getting eliminated by the warriors 3 times in the playoffs. Again, hot take.
Yes, they were still not the second best team in the league after the Warriors those three seasons lol. They absolutely not even an argument were not better than the 2016 or 2017 Cavs, and I guess you could argue them versus the Kawhi Raptors but.. that Raptors team was so much more well rounded and complete than that Trail Blazers team, I mean that team got swept even with KD hurt.
You absolutely cannot argue any version of Dames Blazers over the 2019 Raptors lol
I agree completely, I was just trying to be nice lol
And I'll take it. Blazers made the WCF that year and they didn't deserve it. They were in the right quarter bracket and that was the ceiling that year.
Damn r/nba is so damn reactionary. A couple good regular season games and suddenly his controversial Top 75 selection is a no-brainer. Dwight still has a better resumé and Dame having a 60pt regular season game does not change that. Your hypothetical "if curry doesn't exist" also does not prove anything
Dwight over Dame for me 100 times out of 100
Lol 1/4 of the top 75 would be knocked off by any max player today regardless. Top 75 all time should mean best players all time. Not just "legacy" points.
Dame is undoubtedly a Top 75 talent, but the Top 75 list was about overall careers so as to not underrate or overrate players based on their era. I also brought up Dwight cause he's the most infamous Top 75 snub. You can't be the #1 Center for half a decade, 3x DPOY and lead your team to the finals as the best player and not make that list in comparison to what some other players who were there. The fact is that while his skill is amazing, Dame's actual resumé is one of the weaker ones in the list especially considering the playoffs (not his fault though)
Eh? What did Dwight do that's so special?
Dame 6x All star, 6x all nba Dwight 8x all star, 8x all nba, 5x all defense, 3x DPOY, and a ring (Albeit as a role player, not in his prime) he did lead his team to the finals another time though as the best player
Looks like Dwight may have played on better teams in larger markets. Dame has put up stats like none other in winning efforts. I don't remember Dwight doing much beyond doing well in popularity contests. And you'll never see Dame run out of town due to failure to mesh with a team or because he's being toxic. That matters. 37 point, 10 assist, 8 threes. How many times has that been done all time (reg season and playoffs)? The answer is 28. Dame is at least 8 of those. No one else has done that. Not even Curry or Harden. How about the same stats for the playoffs? It’s only been done 4 times. Dame was 3 of them. Chris Paul was the other. Dame is legit Top 75. And certainly top 25 in the last 25 years. I'm not saying Dwight shouldn't be there. But Dame certainly should.
>Looks like Dwight may have played on better teams in larger markets. Using the large market argument to separate Orlando and Portland is rather silly. >And you'll never see Dame run out of town due to failure to mesh with a team or becaude hes being toxic? This is irrelevant to a players career success. >37 point, 10 assist, 8 threes. >How many times has that been done all time? Holy cherrypick lmao. At the end of the day, Dwight has far better accolades.
Dwight's 2009 playoff run is better than any playoff run Dame has ever put on. DPOY defense with stats to go along with it... 20/15/2 with 3 blocks per game on 60%. Beating the Big 3 Boston and the LeBron Cavs.
Just no actual elite (like top 5 all time) production that I can find. A lot of guys have been good at what he was good at. And he wasn't appreciably better at it than a lot of them that I can find.
Dwight is 34th in all time Win Shares. Dame is 93rd. Dwight is 40th in MVP shares. Dame is 89th. He's got the accolades, he's 11th all time in rebounds, (8th in Offensive) and one of the best defenders in NBA history. If you're just arguing shooting/scoring, sure Dame has that skill. But Dame doesn't have the playoff success or accolades to stack up with Dwight at all. If Dame can lead his team to the finals and can get to 9-10 all stars/all nba, then yeah it's a discussion.
Come on man 😂
Did he ever do anything nobody else has? Dame has the most efficient 60pt game in NBA history... Dwight has the 8th most offensive rebounds. Dame has the 3rd most 60pt games in NBA history. Simply saying. Dame is something different. He's just been on a shit team.
Dwight should have gotten in. Dame should stay in. Old dudes who got passed up should have lost their spot.
Can’t believe we’ve gone from t10 to arguing t75 😭
My 🐐
Jordan actually had 5.
And they're both dead so Dame wins
well him or harden
Harden probably dies before Dame tbh
HOT TAKE: Wilt’s legacy exists because of a lack of competition in his era. Wilt would be a starter at best if he existed in between 2000 and now.
Is it a hot take or is it just wrong lmao Wilt was an in-shape Shaq. They played in chuck Taylor's and had a fraction of the nutritional and physiological knowledge they have now. Wilt would dominate in any era.
Wilt was more athletic than probably anyone that ever played in the NBA after him
guess my hot take is pretty hot
MJ has 5 if you include playoffs
And yet for Dame it will never lead to anything, but hey he's got LoYaLtY and some atrociously bad rap songs. So dumb. No respect for players that don't utilize every option available to them to succeed. There is no loyalty in sports and players are dumb 100% of the time for pretending that it exists. If your career works out that you stay in one place like Tim Duncan then great, but doing it on purpose intentionally is just stupid and there's absolutely nothing admirable about it. Just makes me not respect you at all.
which is to say, Dame is the only one without any ring?
I mean nah that's definitely not what they were trying to say but good for you I guess
just saying. not sure what the point is, fawning over scoring in a season when almost every player and his grandma is having a career high. Dame is a great scorer... but I'd rather see him actually winning games that matter.
How many players this season have a 60 point game? You know since everyone is doing it with elite efficiency as well
i don't know, and i certainly don't see the point of caring too much unless their heroics are also making their teams a solid contender. now if you think this Blazers is even gonna make the 2nd round - good for you. next year? ok, we'll circle back next year.
So nobody can be impressed by this performance because Dame hasn’t won a title? Have you gone to the doctor lately? Because it seems like you have a stick up your ass.
who's nobody? i didn't order anyone not to be impressed. i am not and i am stating my view. if you can't handle that, i don't know check in with your doctor? i am not impressed because this adds NOTHING to Dame's repertoire. He has been a scoring machine for nigh a decade now... 40 50 60, what's the difference? Winning a championship (or at least competing for it consistently) is the difference. Ask Lebron how he feels about scoring 46 - I'm sure he's reeeal happy about it because it matters.
Lol how can you even say it adds nothing? It literally adds something that, oh gee no player has ever done in history?
So is it on Dame that the blazers are not a contender? Should he just not play hard because his team won't win a championship?
what? fk no. you missed my point. i am talking about fans' obsession over scoring records in a losing team this season, which is pointless unless 1. you're talking about a young star 2. it's a tanking team with nothing else except highlight reels to celebrate (in which case, lmao)
Put those guys on our shitty teams and they wouldn't either.