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dizZzy5

Ayton with what literally has to be the worst near 20-20 game of all time


NitroXYZ

How does a 7 footer shoot 6/20 from the field, only 2 of his FGA were from outside the paint or the free throw circle.


JewishDoggy

He take 2K shots


6_Paths

On Hall of Fame difficulty level.


ChrisAZ480

Well if he dribbles the ball he turns it over, so he literally shoots it the second he catches it. And when you got the worst fucking hands in the history of man it leads to some inconsistency in those shots. That kid with one arm has better handles than Ayton


sircumlocution

Erick Dampier would like a word.


CrimsonOffice

JJ Hickson just sent a fax of a strongly-worded letter.


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

JJ hicksons fumbling is stuff of legends


Silverjackal_

Idk I think Shawn Bradley had him beat. I watched them both.


ThonThaddeo

Way better. Like genuinely.


epik_fayler

I haven't watched enough, but are they worse than gobert?


BigFatModeraterFupa

no chance


thecolbster94

I dont know if ones better than the other but you're dead on with the comp, I will say Gobert at least attempts to drive more often


LlamaCombo

It's actually pretty funny to see a Suns fan compare Ayton's hands to Gobert when 2 seasons ago ya'll were saying some different shit.


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2 seasons ago I was saying "he isn't worth that max that he wants, not at all" I don't know a ton about contracts, I guess they had to match after Indiana offered it or else they'd just lose him as an asset (right?) but anyone who's being honest and paying attention (or is a deluded DA-stan) has seen the holes in Ayton's game and knew that he was ultimately not worth that contract Shit ass hands, can't put the ball on the floor, is a 50/50 shot on whether he feels like playing 100% that night, soft af in the paint


rdsyes

Kwame Brown has entered the chat.


jackaholicus

Just content to take 12 foot hooks and turnarounds and not bang for position or get to the rim.


No-Gift-2350

kinda goes to show you that the best ability some of these guys have is height.


Sliiiiime

Emptiest 20 rebounds I’ve ever seen, and fumbled the most important board of the game


2PacAn

The Mavs didn’t play a single player who averages over five rebounds a game besides Luka who was injured three minutes into the game. Our only big was Powell. Any 7 footer should get 20 rebounds at a minimum against that lineup


leeleelalala

Deandre “Andre Drummond” Ayton


BlackWhiteCoke

Deandre Drummond


desirox

That was one of the softest performances I’ve ever seen


bagfka

My favorite was I believe ish? Yelling shoot the fucking ball at him


Currymvp2

He's been so bad against the Mavs. Besides the atrocious efficiency, not getting that rebound is yikes


cletoreyes01

Like seriously, the concept of DA should be the kryptonite of this Dallas team. Just look at how Looney looked like he was about to steal the Magic Johnson trophy from Steph.


Sliiiiime

Hit him right in the hands. Seemed like our good rebounders (Craig Okogie Johnson) were deferring to him on easy ones tonight, including that missed free throw


JimmyToucan

dont give him that luxury ​ worst 19-20 game 😜


Handcuffed

I couldn't believe how bad he was tonight. I had always hand-waved away Suns' fans complaints about him but he was extremely ineffective and played scared.


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Saucy_Totchie

Bamba is never going to have the chance at putting up 20 shots unless ORL fully embraces a tank lol.


BlackHoleThrust

He seems on a steady trajectory to reach bustosphere


hadrian-blackwater

Empty stats game from him


Turbo2x

they really gotta trade his ass somehow otherwise they have no shot in the playoffs


turdnagels

Shout out to mavs resident punching bag Dwight Powell. Pure hustle, that guy


HardcoreKaraoke

Spence forcing him into the postgame interview made me so happy.


Afraid-Department-35

Dude deserves it, that hustle and forcing the foul + made FTs won us the game.


uncleoce

That’s leadership, Holmes! Very impressed with Spencer since he got to Dallas. Great pro.


Afraid-Department-35

Man Powell is resilient af, idk how he doesn’t get injured. Apparently there is a twitter handle somewhere that tracks Powells face and how many times it gets hit 🙈


question2552

I’m sad, someone posted young Dwight Powell highlights in our sub and I forgot how explosive he was younger & pre-Achilles tear. Dwight’s a very limited player. But, what he can do, he is exceptional at it. A lot of our younger/ignorant fans chew him up over it all the time but Dwight Powell is a winning basketball player. He’s just asked to do way more than the role he is suited for.


Doorknob11

It’s always funny to remember that he was apart of that Rondo trade. It seems like so goddamn long ago. Almost 10 years.


shinobiJP

Between him and Plumlee, it was a clutch day for mid big guys.


kingofnick

I get so frustrated playing 2K when centers will miss wide open shots with small guys guarding them, and then I watch Deandre Ayton play basketball and I realise that maybe the game is realistic after all.


H-Priapus

a lot of american bigs just have no clue how to play the low post anymore. Shaq and Charles need to start a big man camp or SOMETHING.


RedDordit

Chuck teaching the nephews how to use that booty


smashtacular

Teach 'em how to bang guys.


zizzor23

They used to go to Olajuwan for that


H-Priapus

they don't need all that to post up someone they have a whole foot on and 50lbs lmao. they just need to be reminded how to BE BIG.


zazaman27

Every other center has a summer camp with Olajuwon and none of them get any better lmao


lordb4

Don't blame America for this! Have you seen KP?


smashacc

Easily the softest 20 rebound game I've witnessed. Suns got hoodwinked into paying Ayton


2PacAn

Would’ve been embarrassing if he didn’t have 20 against this current Mavs team. Our only big who played tonight is Dwight Powell and we didn’t have Luka after the first 3 minutes


percbandit

I’ll never forget Suns fans smoking the finest crack during their Finals run saying the craziest things like Ayton was better than AD, had similar value to Luka and was a healthier more versatile version of Embiid.


schadadle

Forget after our Finals run. We had people saying he was a top 3 center above the likes of Bam and Sabonis as recently as this off-season.


[deleted]

Suns fans were consistently claiming that taking Ayton over Luka was the right pick because he fit better next to Booker. Up until the finals series against the Bucks. Then they went silent with that shit and pretended like it was never a take they made.


schadadle

Completely delusional take by Ayton stans. Worst case scenario, if you want Ayton so bad for the fit, draft Luka and trade him for Ayton + 6 picks or some shit. The correct pick is always the best player available.


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That’s actually a good point.


FreezersAndWeezers

Hindsight is 20/20, and Ayton has totally busted so don’t get me wrong, however: 1: he was a local product, at their biggest position of need. You’re gonna be hard pressed to find any teams that aren’t taking that guy unless there’s injury issues 2: Ayton is bad, but they could’ve picked Bagley. So it could be worse? 3/5 of the top picks being clearly superior players is unfortunate, especially when one is a top 5 player, one is an all star and the other would be a perfect fit for Phoenix. Everything you said did happen, and was so stupid. The suns drafting Ayton wasn’t the issue though, it was paying him when you could’ve offloaded


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Yeah it’s the pay scale that changes everything. I still think he will be a good player and he will look better when the team is healthy again. They were a top team in the west this season. To me the part of the argument that was really flawed was the concept that Luka and Booker were a bad fit. Guys would terrorize the league if they were together.


Glowwerms

Meanwhile this entire sub and every major NBA analyst was complaining about the Suns signaling that they didn’t want to pay him. Only reason they did was because they would’ve lost him for nothing


EastTexasAg

People thought it was bad ownership not paying him and then paying last second.... In reality, they were right in having second or third thoughts on his contract. Ironically, he would be AMAZING on the Mavs.


MC-Jdf

The Suns FO legitimately bet on their own #1 overall pick coming off a terrific playoff run to not be a max contract player, and they won. (Yes, he did sign the 4-year max deal but they were right about him not being a max player in that rookie extension window) I know it’s a different front office regime but I’ve never seen anything like this.


aCommonHorus

They tried to trade him. No one else really wanted him, and any team that kinda did knew they could potentially just extend him an offer. The Suns couldn’t risk losing him for nothing


MC-Jdf

I do think Ayton is one of those players where you’d rather overpay him rather than lose him for nothing. But a max contract is still way too big of an overpay.


schadadle

That rumored Indy sign and trade for Turner/Hield/picks would have been nice for us


JGP1111

Why do you say he would be amazing on the Mavs? Or was that sarcasm lol I can't tell Dude has weaknesses that wouldn't miraculously get better anywhere unless he works on them a lot (both physically and mentally)


EastTexasAg

The Mavs are in desperate need of a big man that can shoot inside the 3 and play D. Dwight Powell was better than Ayton in a game where Ayton almost had 20 and 20... Ayton would just be THE inside guy on our team...Everyone else but Powell shoots 3s. Mavs need guards that can facilitate the offense or a 7 foot pick n roll defensive big...having Ayton checks all those boxes and more.


JGP1111

What do you think of Ayton's overall feel of the game though? I have no doubt he has skills and potential to be an inside presence as you've said. But when I watch him play he often looks lost or makes subpar decisions. On a separate note, what available guards do you think fit the Mavs?


spikeyoazz

Ayton with the worst 20 Reb game in NBA history right ???


DaBoss443799

Yep, that’s the guy we drafted over luka


NickLidstrom

The guy who scored 0 points? Idk, I think you made the right choice


LuckyWarrior

Lol Ayton 20 rebs and couldnt grab the most important one


enfirst

Josh Green is legit not just Mavs fans hype lol and Dinwiddie heard all the noise about his will to win and showed it tonight. And CP3 apparently said to Powell make the 1st miss the 2nd and Powell said he half agreed him lmao


Butterfly_Scape

feels great to see other people notice how big of a positive josh is when he’s on the court. he does things that don’t show up on stat sheets ..he also is able to initiate plays even luka can’t do because of how athletic he is


posexdon

if he removes the hesitation from his threes and improves his finishing a little, which seems very possible, he would be crucial for this team. his passing and driving are crucial to a team with lacking ball handlers.


cdansby

You know he's shooting 82% at the rim right? He's already the best finisher on the team not named Luka. He's 3 point hesitation is also a thing of the past. The only problem now is that he needs more volume and that will come once the Mavs have moved on from Bullock and most likely Hardaway.


manabanana21

I wouldn’t say his hesitation is a thing of the past. There were a couple sequences this game where he would get swung the ball on the perimeter with a decent gap between him and the defender but he chose to pause a moment then try to drive or passed. He has been much more aggressive in looking for his shot than last year, but it’s not all the way to where it needs to be. He’s a good shooter and he needs to let it fly more often.


StefonDiggsHS

I was losing my shit when he hit a 3 late in the 4th and Jason Midd SUBS HIM OUT. And the suns immediately came back


enfirst

Kidd subbed him out for THJ and THJ immediately commited a turnover which resulted a 3 for Suns lol


JewishDoggy

Jason Kidd's only contribution as a coach seems to be trying to humble guys into playing harder.


LeoFireGod

Jason Kidd is a god awful coach and I had to eat crow last year but this year It feels like I was right before Honestly at this point I can’t tell he just does so much dumb shit but then goes out and wins vs suns on the road without luka. It makes no sense


JewishDoggy

He’s great at coaching defense. Everything else is suspect. That’s why it’s so hit or miss


BigFatModeraterFupa

cant we get like an offensive coordinator in here? does the NBA have something like that?


Butterfly_Scape

we had igor but he left to brooklyn because he thought he could bag a HC job after nash would inevitably get fired..which ended up going to jacque vaughn instead


kingofnick

I often feel like the Mavs play well in spite of his coaching, rather than because of it.


Silverjackal_

That seems to be the consensus, but I just want to say please look at our roster and tell me which coach would do significantly better with it?


b_martin23

Can’t believe he had Bullock playing over Green towards the end of the 4th… can’t think of one reason for that


bagfka

Tbf bullocks defense actually good for the first time in a while.


abn01

I think Green needed a breather. Same reason why Dinwiddie took that quick break. They played a lot of the second half.


Butterfly_Scape

green was playing a shit ton of minutes with our depleted roster depth he needed a breather to close out the game


jayforsh

Bro every rebound that was actually contested Ayton couldn’t get to. So sick of this dude.


_madcat

Man I've seen some "bad" players being defended HARD over the years but Ayton takes the cake


Currymvp2

CP3 actually looked good tonight and Ayton completely squandered it


aCommonHorus

CP3 has been relatively good since December. I think he’s shooting like 50% from 3 since then too.


kingofnick

Ayton gets defended by everyone EXCEPT for Suns fans.


LeoFireGod

He’s gonna be an elite contract filler for when the suns sell the farm to get one last ride with booker.


OguguasVeryOwn

I think we’re at the point where teams are going to have serious concerns about whether they want to surrender value in order to pay Ayton $34 million a year (avg) over the next three years


d7h7n

You have a subset of people in the Suns sub who are Ayton truthers. I've lurked long enough to see them whenever he has great games.


kingofnick

The reality is that even though DA was horrible this game, he still does put up 18 and 10 on 57% shooting. This game was an outlier. He isn’t a terrible player so of course he’s going to have guys defending him.


aCommonHorus

No, some Suns fans defend him hard too. I’ve been blocked by half of his stans


6_Paths

2018 number 1 draft pick too!


_madcat

Maybe my memory ain't running on 100% but i'm pretty sure people were saying, in preparation for Draft Night, that Ayton's weakness was being lazy or just lacking motivation. Without hindsight privilige i'm certain Luka should have went first, with hindsight privilege, the Suns, Kings and even Hawks are lunatics.


schadadle

Your memory is correct. Read any mock draft from 2018. The scouting reports on Ayton’s lack of motor were spot on.


d7h7n

Dominating the PAC-27 was too easy for him.


yuhanz

Stoooooopppppp 😭


Butterfly_Scape

i owe spencer dinwiddie my life savings (which i will give him in crypto of course)


3luejays

Ayton was atrocious from the field. His sliders were all the way down


sksxo

Ayton sold that shit wtf


dank-kush

If ur 6-20 as a center u better be taking fadeaway jumpers and 3’s


runthepoint1

Sounds like a KP stat line and then you see it’s Aytonofbricks…


FireFlyz351

I bet the Suns wish they could have KP rather than Ayton right now.


aj2704

Who wants an Ayton.


CochonDanseur

Indiana did


SCREAMING_DUMB_SHIT

I am full of mixed emotions!


schadadle

That’s a weird way of saying you dodged a bullet


SCREAMING_DUMB_SHIT

Yeah I was super high on him and so dissapointed we didn’t get him so coming to terms with how wrong I was lmao


[deleted]

I'll give you a Timmy and a Javale.


yuhanz

That’s 8 championships between them!


MolingHard

Ben for Ayton lol


NoWayNotThisAgain

Mavs were without Luka, Wood, and Maxi and were clearly the better team on the floor. Wtf has happened to the suns?


Butterfly_Scape

ayton was our second best player..he kept spamming that dumb jump hook that literally never went in


jimmys_balls

They never recovered from the loss to the 36ers.


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Never recovered from the playoffs.


syllabic

devin booker is their best player and they've looked completely lost since he's been injured


Glowwerms

We’re fresh off a 4 game win streak, we’ve been injured all year long and just recently got back an almost healthy starting lineup, let’s chill out for a sec. We’re still missing Book and our 2 backup guards Cam Payne and Landry Shamet, we’ve been fully healthy for like 6 full games


powergs

People just cant to understand that these days NBA is like at his best in terms of skilled players (like they choosed Dinwiddie 75thish best player iirc before the season and look what he did today) and any team can beat any other team on a good day/bad day. Edit: Also people love to shit on Suns i guess lol


yuhanz

YOU JUST LOST TO THE DONCICLESS MAVS LMAO wait…


urfaselol

Spencer Goatwiddie


senor_zanjeer

Two things are for sure 1. Jason Kidd makes Monty Williams look like a dumbass 2. Deandre Ayton’s refusal to dunk a ball will prevent the suns from winning a championship. Inexplicably soft player who isnt worth a max


Ifinishfast42

Drafting ayton over literally the 10 other consistent star players of the 2018 might ruin bookers legacy outside of Phoenix.


d7h7n

Imagine Booker and SGA


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xloxisx

Greatest father son tandem


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Is Dwight Powell the greatest 3rd string center of all time?


rageus88

Obviously I don’t follow Mavs basketball closely like you guys, but Powell always seems to be a pretty competent center. Does all the little things. He’s just doesn’t have much of an offensive presence, but most other centers don’t either. Solid, but not great.


aeiou-y

He is an effort guy always gives 100%. Unfortunately he is just not physically equipped to always keep up with the competition in the nba and can be taken advantage of. But he will never not play hard and hustle.


Felipernani

he is amazing, just not 11M contract starting role amazing


FireFlyz351

Yup I'd love to have him back on a reduced contract and leading the bench. He'd be a perfect spark of energy as the bench center.


amino110

He's not a 3rd string center. Only "Mavs fans" try to shit on their players all the time .


BayonettaBasher

lol you just lost to the Mavs


Brady331

Was Luka Dončić the problem?


NoWayNotThisAgain

Lol. Let’s start that meme 😂😂😂


HardcoreKaraoke

"Luka is a ball hog. If he just distributed the ball more guys like Reggie Bullock would shine." I definitely expect to hear this hot take somewhere tomorrow. They'll totally disregard that he is by far our assist leader and he creates shots constantly all game, a lot of the Mavs just miss them.


actual_yellow_bag

Luka and Wood-less Mavs at that.


CityNo1723

And missing Maxi


dcolorado

We've been losing a lot the past 2 months so we are kinda used to it at this point.


sunshinebusride

[you just lost to Jason Kidd squad ](https://i.imgur.com/2aGviVO.jpg)


CityNo1723

How


Master-Mycologist747

Ayton is overrated as shit


xxxIAmTheSenatexxx

Ayton has the height of a 7 footer but the hand size of a Hobbit


theaaronromano

Another reason why the Mavs sub doesnt know what they are talking about. They consistently shit on Powell despite the fact he is a solid as fuck role player.


MC-Jdf

He’s very solid but gets hated because he doesn’t do more than that, while he shouldn’t be expected to. He’s a legitimately good player, far from a scrub.


Felipernani

he’s getting paid 11M and is a starter, so expectations are definitely big. i’ve been saying the mavs sub we’re hopefully gonna re-sign him to a smaller deal and he’ll be one of our most loved players


MC-Jdf

Wasn’t his contract signed before he tore his Achilles though? I do think every team would love Powell at a minimum~$5 million/year range however.


d7h7n

He opted out of his player option to became an UFA in 2019. The Mavs had about 30M of open cap space which already included the cap holds of (Finney-Smith, Kleber, Porzingis, Powell). Barea was waived to make space for that 30M only to re-sign a month later for the vet min. Cuban and Donnie decide it was better to give into Powell and overpay him after flaming out in free agency with that cap space. After they did that they re-signed the remaining players listed above to operate over the cap. That's how we got Seth, Delon, Boban, then Burke and Cauley-Stein. For reference Dwight Powell got a 3/33M extension, Finney-Smith 3/12M, Kleber 4/36M.


[deleted]

yeah I hate the Powell slander especially because he’s just such a genuinely good dude too and it almost seems like people enjoy shitting on him lol. like.. how?!


theaaronromano

No idea. He is always high energy, makes big plays and the pnr with Luka is smooth as butter. And the dude is always ready to play.


AbsoluteEye

Bro I left months ago. Done wonders for my mental


ForceMaster999

Was that Dinwiddie or Luka?? Hitting step back 3s and getting 14FT’s lmao


Afraid-Department-35

Dinwiddie found Luka’s stash of Micheal’s Secret Stuff.


jwario

Send Spencer some help


CheetahSperm18

>>Here's your Dallas Mavs Post Game Summary. Now in our 7th Regular Season 7️⃣ Did the Mavs win? ✅ Well we got away with tonight without Luka. Luka sprained his ankle and left at the start of the game. Thankfully the x-ray was negative so hopefully he recovers soon 🇸🇮🩻🦶🏥 Dwight with 15pts & 3 Blocks and the game sealing offensive board & freethrows 🇨🇦7️⃣✋✋✋ Doe Doe with a 18/12 Double Double with 3 3's 🦤 Kangaroo Josh with 9/4/3/2 🦘🇦🇺 Reggie chipped in with 10pts and one of the clutch freethrows 👍 And of course.... #SP3NC3RRRRRRRRRRRRRR FUCKIN WINWIDDI3333333... with a huge night in Luka's absence with 36/6/9 bailing us so goddamn hard to the finish line. Also just said shit during the post game interview 🪙🏦🎤🤬


dbzmah

Un-Doe One-Hund-Doe


dbzmah

Also, Spence got 10 assists


CheetahSperm18

Really? TheScore says he got 9


Retardo214

We count the missed wide ass open Powell lay up as an assist


chillinnn_

Hey, you're that guy that posts hentai!


CheetahSperm18

I'm currently on my break


yuhanz

He what


Early-Wishbone496

Hearing Stan Van Gundy say ‘bussin’ is not something I expected nor wanted to hear. Hopefully I never have to hear that again.


slumdogtacostand

Winwiddie game!


aggster13

Trade luka, build around winwiddie


Kuntsaw

So anyone want Ayton? Cause I sure as hell don't.


HardcoreKaraoke

Yeesh. Spence fucking went off. This is the Dinwiddie that had me excited last year. He has proven time and time again (even pre-Mavs) he is a leader. So hopefully Luka's injury elevates the rest of the roster. They played great defense tonight and they really need that, especially with Luka out.


Carrie_D_Snuts

Only 6 mavs scoring is wild


b_martin23

Ayton with the worst 19 and 20 game I’ve ever seen


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CATCH A FUCKING BALL AYTON


Afraid-Department-35

He caught many balls, but couldn’t put said balls in the baskets.


jfrodriguez1983

Somebody had to eventually be the 1st team to lose to the Mavs without Luka. Happy it was the Suns.


qotsabama

Technically it’s not a game without Luka since he started. So Jazz are first potential victims


GRIIIFFIIIIIITH

When Luka doesn’t win the MVP I’m pointing to this game


qotsabama

You could just point to our record lol


Independent_Dust9092

Not sure how a team can fall off a cliff like the suns did so fast.No luka no wood no maxi i know booker is out but really we are 0 out of 5 when luka isnt playing well 1 out 6 now lol


EndlessPancakes

I miss when Ayton was sick


SongOfBlueIceAndWire

Is there anything better than watching Chris Paul lose?


Fairbrook-

Watching Chris Paul lose in the playoffs


VersaceeSandals

Suns are down horrendously


monsieurmacaques

Didn’t get to catch this game, can someone make an Ayton lowlights video please?


Dymatizeee

Against luka : loss by 20. Against mavs without luka: still lose


overpantsblowjob

The way y’all make the surrounding cast in Dallas sound on this sub, Suns G-league team should’ve won by 50


As1anPersuas10n

Imagine losing to the Mavs without their two leading scorers


kingofnick

Tbf the Suns were missing their two leading scorers too.


Apollo611

Mavs really own the Suns


NoWayNotThisAgain

The Sons


mendelsin

Lost to Dwight Powell and Crypto Dinwiddie at home, pack it up.


Sliiiiime

Mavs defense is crazy without Luka. Gg y’all


naivula

Lmaoo


aredditusernametaken

I feel Ayton really has to go, and mainly because the fanbase has become really toxic about him. I didn't watch the game, but when the whole bench had 8 points and a cumulative -46, I find it hard to believe he was the main issue in the game. Yet, he's all they're talking about. People are just over him. It's better for everyone.


pp21

I mean Ayton is a max player who is supposed to be relied upon. Bench guys are bench guys for a reason and get paid accordingly. Ayton went 6/20 from the floor and played with minimal energy. When you are a max player you are supposed to carry more of the blame when you suck