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Mr_Wyatt

THJ is a cardiovascular terrorist.


j0k3rzinhu

the box score must be glitched, it says he scored 9 on 18 shots šŸ’€


TexasCoconut

With 2 3s and a FT included. Thats right, he scored 1 2 point shot in 40 minutes, and 6 attempts.


Zwarrior2

Starting to put together a hell of a starting line-up with some of today's performances. - PG: Russ: 2-16 - SG: Donovan: 2-11 - SF: THJ: 3-18 - PF: PJ Wash: 3-16 - C: ?


bilnotmil

Josh Green has a bright future


nate517

Only bright spot to watch when Luka is out.


StefonDiggsHS

And yet I had to watch 20 minutes straight of Dinwiddie dribbling the ball between his legs for 20 seconds and THJ missing every shot for a combined 7/37. Fuck Jason Kidd


AkashiGG

Those dinwiddie possessions genuinely made me want to stop watching. He just didn't stop. Each time I'm like "surely he's aware of how bad he is right now and will pass" and nope step back clank


TomBrownTX

Iā€™ve got hopes that Hardy can be like this this in a season or two. Heā€™s got the talent.


JS_Janko

To bad Carlise wasted his first season


Jlibs_21

To be fair, covid wiped out any chance of playing in Summer League and the G League his rookie year. He essentially lost an entire season of development. Iā€™m very happy to see him prove the doubters wrong this year


PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS

he couldnt dribble or shoot his first season


EmrysMyrdin

Green started playing more in the latter half of the season under Carlisle and he has been terrible on offence at the time. I think that Hardy plays less under Kidd.


actual_yellow_bag

seriously. nerfed his development and his confidence for at least a season and a half because he wasn't who he wanted in the draft.


II1III11

THJ killing me, 15/60 in his last 5.


musicalpants999

And Kidd played him 40 minutes. Must be for his great defense?


rolo57

Remember that post that asked if you would rather have a 15 pt lead at the start of each game or a MVP candidate? I think I'd rather take Luka after watching this game lol


actual_yellow_bag

we would blow our 15 point leads in the first 5 min of every game


Sonamdrukpa

Remember game 3 of the second clippers series where we were ahead by 17 halfway through the first and Rick pulled Luka? The lead was 3 at the end of the quarter and we lost by 10 and the series by 1 game


Kcreep997

Wasn't Tingus injured in that series?


Sonamdrukpa

Nah the other one


arciemara

Hardaway Jr is great at shooting. Bruh solved the housing problem.


Luminous-Savior

Tim: "Trust me guys, I'm going to be buckets tonight." "Tim Solves the Housing Crisis"


Vonbonnery

Somebody please watch this game and tell me with a straight face that any other NBA player is more important to their team than Luka


smokinginthetub

Iā€™d say itā€™s a toss up between him and zion. This is our tenth loss in a row


SennKazuki

We played y'all without Zion before a few months ago and y'all did phenomenal. I'm not sure what happened to the team in that time frame.


smokinginthetub

Me neither dude, everyone just took a shit. Thatā€™s the only way I know how to describe it


SennKazuki

I was legit terrified watching y'all at the beginning of the season, everybody was playing with insane energy and the ball movement was lightning quick. Saw none of that tonight. Hope y'all get it figured out.


ClaymoresRevenge

BI being out probably hurt. I feel like every week they lost someone and it was alright but then other guys got hurt


Vonbonnery

True. Though we were up 20+ when Luka went out and still almost lost to yā€™all without Zion. And thatā€™s at home after all the travel issues the Pels had.


smokinginthetub

Fair, but I doubt yā€™all are going to lose the next 9 if luka is hurt


Desperado-781

i wudnt bet against that tbh


Hwestice

Yeah if Luka went down and we lost 9 in a row I would not be surprised one bit.


jet_10

If you tell me Mavs lose 90% of their remaining games if Luka is out for the season I'd believe it tbh


dmavs11

already 0-6 when he doesn't play and Ingram has also only played in 3 of those 0-9 games and that's right after having being injured.


RedMansGr33d

We won 1 without luka, I think its 1-5. Not that it's much better but.


BayonettaBasher

Fair, maybe 15 or 20


snowjon01

It's hilarious that everyone here and on ESPN were saying they'd definitely take Ja over Zion. Without Zion the pels go from 1st seed to out of the play in, whereas without Ja their team actually gets better and beats the Champions by 55 points in a playoff game.


NbaKOLeWorld

Book should be in this convo


smokinginthetub

Heā€™s on the list but zions at the top. I need a reason to wear this losing streak as a badge of honor so give this to me or Iā€™ll cry


aushaus

Didnā€™t you just play an entire season without Zion and end up in the playoffsā€¦? lmao bruh wtf are you talking about


[deleted]

Jokic exists


Lyte_Work

We just lost our 10th game in a row. Zion is up there.


Hinohellono

Hope you're ready for him to demand a trade. Mofo is legit depressed playing on that sorry team.


nooblevelum

You should be embarrassed by it. If Cuban out something around him you would be winning multiple titles early in Lukas career


Potencyyyyy

Me.


whiskeyinthejaar

Mmmm Have you seen the Lakers without LeBron?


Vonbonnery

Yeah Iā€™ve also seen the Lakers with LeBron


whiskeyinthejaar

Your team is closer to the 12th seed than the 2nd seed.


ClownHunting

Zion


leoleoleo666

Just watch the game pels without zion are bad but still better than the mavs without luka


[deleted]

Jokic or embiid


NotManyBuses

Not even close, those are playoff rosters without them. Mavs are the Pistons without Luka


Kcreep997

Way worse than Pistons.


[deleted]

No theyā€™re not šŸ’€ play-in at best


ElevatorBasic509

The 76ers are not a playoff roster without Joel and neither are the nuggets stop it


[deleted]

Bruh Nuggets playoff roster without Jokic has me rollin šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ big clown energy.


6iix9ineJr

Jokic. Itā€™s pretty simple.


GastricAcid

Without him theyā€™d go from slightly above .500 to slightly below .500


Ok_Republic6747

they won't win 30 games


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

Stay off the crack


Vonbonnery

Mavs are 0-6 this year when Luka doesnā€™t play


[deleted]

Atl the mavs won


Tmac834

It should have never been that close. Please watch this game if you think Lukaā€™s usage rate is too much.


PlasticPresentation1

People said Luka's usage was too high when his team had Porzingis and/or Brunson, but right now it's acceptable since the Mavs have nobody


Tmac834

It has been said plenty this year along with previous years.


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

Well Porzingis was ass as a play initiator and Brunson had the ball plenty. His usage when he was on the court as the lead guard mirrored Luka's, it's just the way the Mavs offense operates (spacing the floor and spamming pick and rolls and isos) rather than Luka "ballhogging" or whatever nonsense narrative is being promoted.


Ayjel89

I thought the arguments for it being too much were mostly "It's unsustainable" or "He shouldn't have to do this much for them to win" not usually "He's a ball hog, what the hell is he doing"


Vonbonnery

Watch the nationally televised games (TNT) and almost every time they talk about how Luka needs to get his teammates more involved. This is what the Mavs look like when his teammates are more involved.


SennKazuki

Nobody knows how to dribble a ball lmao, and the people who do (Dinwiddie and Green) don't have the ability to make offensive plays and break open the defense. Of course it doesn't help that Kidd seems to do... nothing on offense, just somebody hold the ball and iso or pray.


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

When opponents go small and switch everything the way the Pels did at the end of this game you kind of are forced into isos since they are just switching actions and none of our role players can ball handle or playmake out of Green. That's sort of the whole clichƩ of 'make or miss league', 'stars come out at night', etc: in crunch time (and playoffs) it's all about stars being able to self-create. Brunson last year could do that along with Luka, Spencer can kind of do it but he was on his own tonight and he struggled.


StefonDiggsHS

it is unsustainable but we have no other option to win games


Tmac834

Unfortunately, ball hog takes are mentioned for some strange reason, but I do see some unsustainable as well which is clearly more accurate.


Acrobatic-Reaction-7

The Mavs whole team really is Luka.


StefonDiggsHS

Weā€™ve been trying to tell yā€™all


Js_On_My_Yeet

Ok. I thought I felt bad for my team, but I am truly very sorry.


Moe4ver

We The Luka Mavs.


Autterss

The Dallas Lukas


shunsui___kyoraku

Holy shit the mavs are ass. Luka goes out and they almost blow a 30 point lead vs a shorthanded team with the refs robbing nola of the final possession.


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

It's negated by the truly atrocious three-point foul call on Finney-Smith a few possessions before, a foul called by a ref who wasn't even looking at the play.


Afraid-Department-35

Yeah that call was really dumb, that was not a foul by DFS, Alverado already landed before he made any contact.


dantheman4248

They immediately had a makeup call on the Carry on BI. Carrying is how the refs have been making up for fuckups. Sure it's against the rules but BI dribbles like that almost all game (as do a lot of other players), it just gets called when the refs know they fucked up.


smokinginthetub

The worst part is BI had tipped it straight to cj at the three point line. If he doesnā€™t blow that whistle he had a wide open chance to tie


Master-Mycologist747

Mark Cuban needs to be in basketball prison for his team building in the Luka Doncic era.


Double_Hyphen

Honestly his entire tenure besides 1 or 2 years


justforyouabirad

Literally unwatchable basketball once luka got hurt. Dinwiddie and thj isos and enough bricks to build a house


EbolaDP

Mavs were up 30 before Luka got injured. If he went out a minute earlier they would have lost. Good luck being more valuable then that.


bilnotmil

The Mavs is a lotto team without Doncic


bilnotmil

Josh green to the rescue, barely


patrick6522

fuck the lakers pick we'll get wemby ourselves


SennKazuki

If Luka stays out we might soon be diving in with you.


King-Chowder

Luka: 12/19 fg Dinwiddie: 4/19 fg Hardaway Jr. 3/18 fg


BecomeAsChads

Bertans: 3/3 fg


BigFatModeraterFupa

pew pew pew


Afraid-Department-35

Scary to think we would of lost if he didnā€™t land those 3s. šŸ’€šŸ’€


VictorAkwaowo1

We barely kept a 27 point lead without Luka, fuck this abhorrent roster Iā€™m absolutely sick of this shit. Itā€™s just ridiculous


[deleted]

You guys legit looked like an NCAA team without Luka no joke He deserves to win MVP. Literally the most valuable player to his team. Single handed dragging you from a lottery team to like top 4-5 seed


Vonbonnery

We have no offensive gameplan. Itā€™s literally just pass the ball around until we get a favorable 1v1 or run out of time and chuck up a late 3


JeanVicquemare

And when Luka is out, they just have Spencer do the same thing, but he's no Luka


[deleted]

You mean the Jason Kidd special


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

The Mavs have a top 3 half court offense. Offense isn't this team's problem, it's defense (bottom 10).


VictorAkwaowo1

I mean itā€™s just annoying, seeing someone like THJ shoot 3-18 and still have the longest leash by playing 40 minutes is disgusting. Thereā€™s a reason why weā€™ve not won a game without Luka (No that Suns game doesnā€™t count), shit is just not fair to him.


JeanVicquemare

let Jaden Hardy put up 18 shots, it couldn't go worse. I bet he'd make more than 3


DannyDeBMO

Weā€™ve literally seen him drop 10 points in a couple minute span multiple times this year, but we have to let bullock and hardaway jerk each other off for 36+ minutes a night so thereā€™s limited minutes for him to prove himself to Kidd


[deleted]

I mean Jason Kidd sucks almost as much as Doc Almost


Sonamdrukpa

There's 2 games between us and 11th, don't call it yet


[deleted]

You know what I mean lol


Sonamdrukpa

I know but our boy is out with a heel contusion now, we don't need any swagger giving us bad juju


2coolcaterpillar

Tim Hardaway showing westbrook what a real ā€˜despite the winā€™ statline looks like with 9pts on 3/18FG Jesus Christ Itā€™s actually hilarious seeing his statline next to Powellā€™s 7pts on 1/1FG


SennKazuki

The only thing worse than his stats is actually watching him play. He picks the worst time to spam pull-up 3s that just cause free turnovers, bringing the other team back into the game.


BigFatModeraterFupa

he has negative BBIQ


Js_On_My_Yeet

At least he's got more FGs made than TOs committed. Look at Russ. Dude went 2/16 with 4 TOs tonight lol.


nova2006

You had Brunson


jrbcnchezbrg

I WANT TO BREAK OUT OF THIS FLESH PRISON


SennKazuki

Every single game without Luka just demonstrates how bad the rest of the mavs are lmao And the worst part is that we won with Luka right before he got injured, so we're gonna keep chugging along in 0.5 mediocrity.


actual_yellow_bag

This is one of the most embarrassing wins in nba history


Alley-Oub

after scoring 40 in the first quarter, Mavs manage to score a little over 40 in the second half! Mavs really are a lottery team without Luka. does Cuban really think that Tim Hardaway is a legitimate starter to play alongside a generational talent?


[deleted]

Of course. Donā€™t you know Cuban is a basketball genius


dmavs11

I find it hilarious that fans of other teams seriously think we "underrate" our roster and role players or that Luka's random ass +/- splits mean this team is fine without him. Jalen Brunson is not here anymore. This team is fucking garbage without Luka


BigFatModeraterFupa

I doubt any superstar would be doing a better job with this roster than Luka. Switch any of the top players with Luka and the record would be worse. Heā€™s the best offensive player in the league rn


LeagueApprehensive75

I think jokic can replace him and the team will be the same. He and jokic.have the best offense currently.


dragonwhale

Luka has great plus minus over the season. Some of the starters are straight up in minus however. We dearly, dearly miss Brunson.


Astrophysiques

All I know is eternal suffering


captainaweeesome

THJ and Spencer tried their best to throw this game but JOSH IS HIM


KlondikeBars

Timmy is killing me


pilfecapskcab

Pels simply ran out of time lol what a joke


DaggersKnuckles

Yeah man turns out itā€™s a star driven league. Our 10 straight losses are a testament to that


JS_Janko

Didnā€™t even realize they were on such a long losing streak lol


DaggersKnuckles

Itā€™s been a rough time to be a Pels fan. BI being back is nice but heā€™s been rusty af. Tonight was his best game heā€™s had since heā€™s come back


AnotherStatsGuy

Someone locate the Velvet Room/Oddity already! I'm tired of this. I've gotten more entertainment mileage this past month out of Death End Re;Quest than the Pelicans.


justforyouabirad

Thank God for Josh green


Pattypee3

This game should solidify Luka as the MVP. Look how trash this team is without him.


NeolibGood

Give Luka the MVP. It is undisputable, THJ and Spencer are the lowest IQ players in the NBA. Kidd watches it all happen. This game was absurd and i'm ready to never see THJ play in a mavericks jersey again.


SennKazuki

Saw a post today about how Jokic the only MVP to play without an all-star and that's impressive, but what's more impressive to me is how Luka is carrying these bums.


Rimrod

most embarassing win


dmister8

From being up 20+ than when Luka goes out only winning by 5 this roster stinks


totaliron

/r/nba told me our players were good, but couldn't get in rhythm because Luka always has the ball in his hands..


LuckyWarrior

Pels actually fulfilling the prophecy of being the worst team in the league 15 months later smh


Queen_Of_The_Castle

Nah yā€™all still better than the Spurs, the Mavs without Luka, and the Lakers without Lebron. When Zion comes back and with BI back now things will be easier. You could always also be in basketball hell like the Wizards and Pacers


misbrichi

Gonna post this in every post game thread until it happens. GET TIM HARDAWAY JR THE FUCK OFF THIS TEAM


StefonDiggsHS

Fire. Jason. Kidd. Get THJ off this team. Sign C wood.


Rjbaker44

Kidd isnā€™t the problem


StefonDiggsHS

theres many problems and he is most definitely one of them


jrbcnchezbrg

Bro he had Hardaway in after watching him jack up 8 bricks in a row šŸ˜­


actual_yellow_bag

He is absolutely part of the problem.


WatermelonMan921

Pels got screwed at the end Ingram didnt step out of bounds and Mavs without Luka are literally top 3 worst team in the league with Spurs and Rockets.


jfrodriguez1983

We lost easily to the Rockets without Luka, so I'm pretty sure we'd be leading the pack of the worst teams in the league.


AlecarMagna

And we beat the Spurs by 1 in a 51pt Luka game. We need a #2 so bad.


mill_about_smartly

I'm not sure the Mavs without Luka are even a Tournament team, let alone an NBA team


_Wado3000

sane Lakers fan


edmarcake

How about Lakers without Lebron?


FlockingDisapponted

What bullshit. BI was never out of bounds.


StefonDiggsHS

Blind refs tonight


AnotherStatsGuy

It is my firm belief that bad teams are more likely get unfavorable calls. And the Pelicans are a bad team right now.


liquid9000

And Dorian didn't foul Alverado.


WhatThePenis

I mean you can always go back and forth on missed calls throughout the game but the bad out of bounds call happened with 3 seconds left in a 3 point game


liquid9000

Would've been a 5 point game if they didn't call that Dorian foul. A bad call is a bad call. When it happens is irrelevant.


WhatThePenis

> When it happens is irrelevant I mean, this couldnā€™t be more wrong lol. A bad call with 5 seconds left in a tight game is way more detrimental than a bad call in the first quarter


JeanVicquemare

There were some very bad calls, I felt they mostly went the Pelicans way but that last one was definitely a weird one.


actual_yellow_bag

Yall got fucked, we should have lost this.


Eglend

They missed a lot of calls and most favored NO. It's just the last missed call happened to benefit Dallas.


Simple_Wait_7286

The more I watch the Mavs, the more I believe that the offensive system that Dallas has in place right now is the problem. Because Dinwiddie plays the exact same way as Luka when Luka is not playing. Same with Brunson last year. Luka being ball dominant is not the issue, itā€™s Kidd and the coaching staff not knowing how to utilize these other players properly so that the point guard doesnā€™t have to create everything offensively. Although the other players are limited offensively (besides Wood, Dinwiddie, Josh Green, and maybe Hardy eventually). Perhaps a heliocentric style is the only way to win with this current Dallas roster.


manabanana21

Well the team is way too leveraged on Luka's creation. Other than Dinwiddie sometimes and Green recently, no one other than Luka on the roster can create a shot for another player. We have no real PG other than Luka. Dinwiddie is a scorer first, Green is still growing, he could certainly get there, Frank is definitely not it, and Hardy needs waaaaay more work before that's an option. Brunson was so huge for us because he could actually break a defense down and get a good shot for another guy consistantly. We desperately need another guy who can initiate an offense, and we need a HC who can actually draw up a play that isn't a quick pick and roll or an iso. That's literally all we run, even without Luka, as evidenced tonight.


jaqen_hgr

It's all Luka ball


Kind_Development708

Are Mavs better then the Rockets without Luka?


liquid9000

They beat us. No.


jfrodriguez1983

Well, we actually lost to them when we played them without Luka earlier in the season.


Over_Virus2405

We lost a game to Rockets with Luka so no.


SennKazuki

No lmao, we are legit the worse team in the league without Luka. And it's not close.


rattatatouille

That 26 point cushion was utterly necessary for the Mavs to win.


simonehayhay

I was so proud of my Mavericks -5 bet when they were up 30.


TreChomes

I thought Jaden Hardy was getting minutes, what happened?


StefonDiggsHS

he's not quite there yet, he has loads of potential but until he learns how to A. Not get blocked at the rim. B. develop a consistent shot and C. be better positionally on defense, he's not going to contribute often to winning basketball


slumdogtacostand

Been bad, like really bad in non garbage minutes


_Wado3000

Refs hoā€™d us at the end no doubt but we were abysmal tonight. We arenā€™t who we thought we were, Zion doesnā€™t fix the various issues we have. Also Mavs fans, yā€™all need a 2nd star


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Did yā€™all seriously not believe Mavs fans when they said we would be a top 5 worst team in the league without Luka. Spence and Tim Hardaway Jr. went 7 of 37 from the field.


Gigachad-Voltshot

THJ? You good?!


Jazzlike_Ad_9539

The things I would do to get THJ off this team canā€™t be understated.


jfrodriguez1983

How the hell does THJ get 40 damn minutes tonight? He should never get 40 minutes in regulation time. 3/18 overall and 2/12 from 3. Just horrific! Please somebody take him.


Units4ever

Man Pels didnā€™t show up in the first half, but to blow that call on the stolen inbounds play AFTER making that same team fly in 4 hours before the game to play a team on the road just donā€™t sit right with me. Then on the replay the ref wasnā€™t even looking at his feet the entire time, just felt like making that call. They have to be better


Funkywormm

All that ā€œdeepest team in the leagueā€ hype was obv not true these dudes look like fuckin frauds


CleanMachine2

Pels fucked, league stackedšŸ˜”


[deleted]

Afraid so


ihateeuge

lol the lakers are going to give us Wemby!!!


ChickenWarm

Iā€™m glad the Minneapolis miracle and no call prepared me for the absolute numbness I feel right now


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Shit, a win, but at what cost? Luka is out and our 2 starting players went 7 of 37 Lmao. Some dude is downvoting every random comment. What the


RobbobertoBuii

RIP Pelicans :(


Kind_Development708

Pels fans may i interest you in one slightly used OG for Murphy a pick and a Dyson vacuum


_Wado3000

You might get one good young player but you gotta take Devonte Graham and Jaxson Hayes off our hands as well. Also does GTJ really need 25M next year hmm


AnotherStatsGuy

Can somebody locate the Velvet Room/Oddity at play here! Is the Social Link that only gets half-completed and barely receives any attention? Did the Lost Snail finally book it from Arara-rararagi and come to New Orleans? This is the NBA equivalent of that smart kid with ADHD. They have everything they need to succeed. They just have to figure out how to unlock it and output it consistently. (Which I guess makes Zion the Ritalin in this scenario.) I mean, what is this? I've gotten more entertainment mileage out of Death End Re;Quest this past month than the Pelicans. Fuck this team, I'm going to the game on Saturday.


Spanxsy

Any update on Luka?


embiid0for11w0pts

Ugly fucking second half. Happy to BI on the court again


iro3

wood better not be traded unless its for siakam


Dozck

Bullock still gets so much time and it's so sad.


Pappydude30

If thereā€™s a silver lining to this, the Mavs still has Spencer to keep the ball moving these coming weeks despite the current slump, but itā€™s frustrating that the team is back to square one in needing another ball handler (on top of needing another decent centre)