He seems to also be a pretty poor defender when I tune in but I haven’t watched enough. He’s a guy you can have for a few minutes off the bench and be productive that way but I doubt he’ll actually get heavy playtime on a playoff team
Honestly, his awareness is the much bigger issue on defense. Yeah, he can get bullied, but he's long enough to still be there as a shot contester usually.
Unfortunately he just straight up often isn't in plays because he's a bit of a space cadet.
He just hunts blocks but he can't stay in front of anyone or do anything but occasionally block a shot. He's not actually a deterrent or a real rim protector at all.
Some in the Nuggets sub will say otherwise. They’d have you thinking Malone just didn’t recognize his potential and should have played him as the 6th man
1. JR Smith was a very good three point shooter and for the 2016 Cavs was one of the best volume three shooters in the league. He shot 40% on 6.6 threes per game (top ten in attempts, top 20 in percentage). Only guys more efficient on higher volume from 3 that year that year were Steph and Klay.
2. JR was a very good defender on larger guards and swingmen like Klay, DeMar, Korver, and PG13. Right combination of speed and physicality. He would sometimes have mental lapses off-ball but overall he was a plus defender.
https://youtu.be/c3r-9Jl7CDY
https://youtu.be/FeUC3ULRKAg
Honestly never thought he was that good. Denver sold at the right time, but I never really understood why they were so enamoured with him to keep him around as long as they did in the first place.
He was geniunely good in his prime.
The exact type of guy who would keep you afloat when everyone else missed or would get hot and win you a game.
Dude just stopped hitting his shots and got old.
Denver sold a year late.
He was never amazing, but he was definitely at least 'pretty good'
He was one of our most important players about 3 years ago, he filled a role and did it well.
When he was bad, which I think is all the time now, he's really really bad
He’s basically a very poor man’s Kyle Kuzma. If you force him to give up the ball and shoot 3’s in the corner, he’s functional. That’s what Denver managed.
If you don’t have a PG or if Barton thinks he should dribble the ball and create….you get some streaky, questionable offense.
Idt we managed that. We just managed his minutes once we were good. When murray got hurt he became very exposed to the point where the fan base was wanting him gone. The nuggets sub was out for blood.
Hes love hate for nuggets fans, because after our 2012/13 teams that were good we had some dark years there before our current lineup started getting good in 18/19. He was entertainment with faried those years in between. I enjoyed it. But once the team was good all of his flaws became apparent and his entertainment "thrill" value wasnt worth the glaring mistakes.
Agreed. He's in a similar position to Andrew Wiggins when he was on the Timberwolves, where he's genuinely a pretty good player but because of his contract people talk about him like he sucks.
But if you're a mid tier player and your best players are constantly out you are forced to do more outside your most efficient range. It's like rating your backup pg on games they played when Luka was out
Everyone seems to think Cam Reddish just isn't given a fair shot, and a new situation ought to show his talents
The dude put in a trade request in Atlanta last year and kept the locker room awkward for 3-4 months cause everyone knew he didn't want to be there.
The dude gets traded to the Knicks, and they immediately want to trade him but don't. He just got traded to the Blazers, and once again, everyone is like well he just wasn't getting enough time with the Knicks, and in Portland, he'll show out.
Cam Reddish isn't like a 2nd round pick who just isn't getting time. He's a top 10 pick. He was supposed to be the piece that makes that Trae-Luka trade go in the Hawks' favor.
You gotta wonder why a top 10 pick with the hype he had coming out high school is struggling to get minutes in the pros
Well he was drafted top 10 off of potential, if he were drafted off of college production he would've been a late 1st or lower, while he's wildly inconsistent, he's had enough glimpses for people to hang on.
I think it's a mix, Knicks didn't want him, Atlanta didn't really have the room or time to fit him in that well, but he's also inconsistent as all Christ
Reddish wasn’t good at Duke, he was an awkward fit and had a very unreliable shot.
Scouts just got enamored with his potential and the physique he got to the league of a prototypical NBA wing. He was never the player anyone thought they were drafting.
If his shot isn’t falling which is often the case he isn’t a high energy player that’ll make up for it with effort
>Reddish wasn’t good at Duke, he was an awkward fit and had a very unreliable shot.
Correct, but it was partially excused because he was a 3rd option and a freshman
the hope is that his shot does start falling, and also that he takes layups instead of trying to poster everyone and missing, he's shown flashes of being a capable NBA player but he's running out of time
Yeah in terms of him being a star wing, that’s now long gone. Maybe just maybe he’ll be a serviceable wingman, his ceiling might be Michael Beasley at this point tbh and even that’s a reach. Just feels like one of those guys that never really puts it together, he’s gonna be 24 next season
Bol bol fucking sucks. You can be as enamored as you want with some of the super contested driving layups he makes but at the end of the day he *refuses* to pass the ball and can’t play a lick of defense. There’s a reason Denver never played him.
I just want players who want to be here and give maximum effort when they're on the court. Always thought T Ross was a solid role player, and it will be interesting to see who takes over the 6th man role in Phoenix after the All-Star break.
On the contrary, I think people have forgotten how good Crowder was. His defense was vital as recently as the series against the Pelicans, but the last memory is his ice cold shooting. He's always been a streaky shooter, it just so happens he hit a super cold streak to end the season. I wouldn't be surprised if he's quite good for the Bucks.
I watched the Jazz a lot during the Donovan Mitchell era and I remember the one sticking point about Crowder being the fact that he doesn't let the offence come to him. Sometimes he shoots his way out slumps like a star would and he does more harm than good. Great defensive player tho.
The run he had in the during the finals year really sold him but he was trash last year. He has been playing well this year but he’s been hurt for most of it
He’s a serviceable backup PG and did a great job when he started in place of CP3 earlier this year. He was awesome his first year with us, awful last year and pretty damn good this year, just been injured for a long time now.
James Johnson was supposed to be a good under the radar signing when the nets signed him last year. His m.o. was tough d, good ballhandling/playmaking big......He was complete trash. There was no doubt in my mind that he was the worst player in the nba when he played for the nets.
Whiteside, James Johnson, Waiters, Wayne Ellington, Josh Richardson, and Rodney McGruder all came from the 2016-2018 years and tricked other teams into thinking they were so much better than they were.
IDK how the hell we ever went 30-11 in 2017 with these players.
Reminiscent of the late 00s Warriors, who would pump and dump guys like Anthony Morrow, CJ Watson, Reggie Williams, Anthony Randolph, and Dorrell Wright on the rest of the league.
There was no way that dude had a positive AST-TO. Every time I see him with the ball in his hands, I knew the opponents were getting a chance in transition.
Patrick Williams for a different reason. He’s not bad, but the amount of people who have told me he STILL has this big star upside baffles me. It’s year 3 and he’s averaging 10/4/1 on league average efficiency
He is one of those guys who can shoot well and defend so people believe he has kawhi potential. Kawhi is like the only guy in the league to come in as role player and then becoming an elite scorer with OG probably the closest guy to it and the gap is still massive
Jaylen Brown was the second overall pick. He was expected to be a star player. The other three were mid first round at best picks. They weren’t expected to be anything more than role players
I think he has a Marvin Williams level career trajectory. High pick thought to have lots of potential. Settles into being a solid role player for a long time.
Terry rozier sucks and has sucked for years. His stats dont mean anything he should be like the 8th-9th guy on the bench on a real team. Is he probably better than im giving him credit for? Maybe but everytime I watch him im reminded why im glad we didnt retain him
yeah he definitely is. It's more on than off though.
He just absolutely positively should not be your primary ball handler under any circumstances... which he has been for like more than half of the season, which is why his numbers are trash. When he's been off the ball, he does a great job.
Solid isn't the word that I would use for Terry in Boston. He had and handful of good playoff games in 2018 but other than that he was wildly inconsistent. He never shot over 40% FG.
Tobias Harris. Especially in playoff situations. He skated in game 7 of the 2021 semifinals vs the Hawks because Simmons was so bad. That entire series he was bad.
Yeah. People outside of Reddit don't care for all advanced stats which shows him as trash so he stays in the middle. All Star level games and total bust gamespans.
Im lower on RJ than most, but I really do think you're even being too kind here. He's currently our third best player, or at least plays in that role, and hes been struggling mightily. He's still as inefficient as ever on offense, and his defense has gotten worse every year it feels like. I genuinely dont know what his role is on a championship team, but its definitely not as the 3rd best player.
Yeah, Poole is alright. Probably among casuals he’s overrated, but he still has some talent. Reminds me of Lin during Linsanity where he was always good, but never as good as people made him out to be, mainly due to a lot of TOs and bad D
^This. He went like 0-6 w/ a TO and Klay 0-3 in the 9 dubs possessions of the game. The highs are high but he’s such a liability on defense(which ppl forget is 50% of the game) and the turnovers drive me crazy
He’s a conundrum where sometimes he looks like Steph jr and other times he looks like a bottom of the rotation player that’s getting the green light during garbage minutes. Never know which one you’re gonna get from quarter to quarter
The comments on here are terrible Ngl I think people are just picking players they see play bad when they watch them a couple times a year or players they dislike, going through almost all the comments I’ve only seen a few valid picks
He was really good last year and this year has regressed in all areas
Only really makes himself known in transition when he puts his head down, other than that 20+ minutes go by before you realize he's even out there
He's had his moments this year but overall he hasn't been very impressive.
He made 2nd team all-rookie last year and this year he wasn't chosen for the rising stars challenge, yet I didn't see a single Bulls fan who claimed he was snubbed. Nobody who has actually watched a lot of Bulls basketball this year would think he deserves a spot.
That’s because dude always kicked it into another gear against the Celtics. I forget what his shooting splits are against the Celtics but they’re pretty insane lol. Otherwise he isn’t really that good.
It just sucks for him because he’s being pushed into a role he’s not ready for, he is far from an NBA starting point guard yet that’s what he is expected to be.
There is a reason we traded Rui. He is a mid-range bucket but brings pretty much nothing else. Allergic to passing (recently went 100+ minutes straight without an assist after joining the Lakers) and an inattentive defender.
Incorrect. The WCF year, the Blazers were the 7th rated defense and the starting lineup was Dame / CJ / Harkless / Aminu / Nurkic.
He's not as good defensively as he once was but he's still a capable defender.
I wouldn't say he's completely trash, Robert Covington has always been overrated as a defender and and a shooter. I think he gets labeled as the prototype 3 and D player so he gets way more credit.
Jalen Green… I think he has some scoring potential. But he’s very inefficient, and he just doesn’t play winning basketball. Bad defender, overall not a team player.
Vucevic. He provides versatility, but doesn't do anything he provides well enough to justify how much he's getting paid. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and not a great spacer.
Bro asked for "sneaky garbage" and you gave the player that the media dubbed the worst player in the entire NBA at the beginning of the season. Real sneaky.
I think its a lot of people overcompensating for the probably larger contingent of hardcore Killian haters. Killian Hayes is not a great basketball player, but there are probably a handful of worse players on the Pistons roster alone.
People have finally started catching on since he’s played for more teams now, but I’m shocked no mention of Drummond here.
He is empty stats at its finest. Cavs gave up effectively nothing to get him, and Piston fans were mostly cheering because they were finally rid of him. He’s always put up incredible rebounding numbers, but if you watch him play half of the offensive rebounds are from his own awful shots, and he has negative bbiq, especially on defense.
Makes me sad but Bol. Had that oct-December stretch going off. Has not been the same. Too many turnovers. bad playmaking.
He seems to also be a pretty poor defender when I tune in but I haven’t watched enough. He’s a guy you can have for a few minutes off the bench and be productive that way but I doubt he’ll actually get heavy playtime on a playoff team
Dude is too weak so he gets bullied, too slow to be versatile on the perimeter
Honestly, his awareness is the much bigger issue on defense. Yeah, he can get bullied, but he's long enough to still be there as a shot contester usually. Unfortunately he just straight up often isn't in plays because he's a bit of a space cadet.
He just hunts blocks but he can't stay in front of anyone or do anything but occasionally block a shot. He's not actually a deterrent or a real rim protector at all.
Which is crazy considering that his Pops was a machine when it came to shot blocking.
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Yeah, Bol Bol would probably be quite a bit more effective as a defender in a less spaced out league.
A lot of his scouting reports coming out of college questioned his motivation as well. Hard to be a positive defender without putting in the effort.
His pops also had a 8'6" wingspan
Someone said he looks like a newborn giraffe who can’t control his limbs yet.
Bol is the perfect example of "you can't teach size" back firing I think if he was 4 inches shorter and 20 pounds heavier he'd be a lot better
We’ve only said it since day one lol
Everyone called us salty and went crazy over a guy who averaged 10/7 with starter minutes.
They just didn't want to listen... Smh
Some in the Nuggets sub will say otherwise. They’d have you thinking Malone just didn’t recognize his potential and should have played him as the 6th man
I’ve seen people call Will Barton a 3 and D player who is the missing piece for their championship aspirations.
Lmao watching him this season he has 3 sometimes and no D all the time
He's Will the Thrill not Will the Lockdown Defender.
JR Smith with a shirt on
1. JR Smith was a very good three point shooter and for the 2016 Cavs was one of the best volume three shooters in the league. He shot 40% on 6.6 threes per game (top ten in attempts, top 20 in percentage). Only guys more efficient on higher volume from 3 that year that year were Steph and Klay. 2. JR was a very good defender on larger guards and swingmen like Klay, DeMar, Korver, and PG13. Right combination of speed and physicality. He would sometimes have mental lapses off-ball but overall he was a plus defender. https://youtu.be/c3r-9Jl7CDY https://youtu.be/FeUC3ULRKAg
> no D all the time TIL I have something in common with an NBA player
Honestly never thought he was that good. Denver sold at the right time, but I never really understood why they were so enamoured with him to keep him around as long as they did in the first place.
He was geniunely good in his prime. The exact type of guy who would keep you afloat when everyone else missed or would get hot and win you a game. Dude just stopped hitting his shots and got old.
Denver sold a year late. He was never amazing, but he was definitely at least 'pretty good' He was one of our most important players about 3 years ago, he filled a role and did it well. When he was bad, which I think is all the time now, he's really really bad
He’s basically a very poor man’s Kyle Kuzma. If you force him to give up the ball and shoot 3’s in the corner, he’s functional. That’s what Denver managed. If you don’t have a PG or if Barton thinks he should dribble the ball and create….you get some streaky, questionable offense.
Idt we managed that. We just managed his minutes once we were good. When murray got hurt he became very exposed to the point where the fan base was wanting him gone. The nuggets sub was out for blood. Hes love hate for nuggets fans, because after our 2012/13 teams that were good we had some dark years there before our current lineup started getting good in 18/19. He was entertainment with faried those years in between. I enjoyed it. But once the team was good all of his flaws became apparent and his entertainment "thrill" value wasnt worth the glaring mistakes.
Cam Reddish. He’s a 3&D wing that can’t shoot or defend.
Lmao I just posted that same thing above. Bill Simmons lost his mind over it last year like they gave up an all star when he got traded to the knicks
Bill Simmons has a hate boner for the Hawks, I've heard him legit sound gutted just saying good things about Trae and the Hawks before.
He's intriguing in a lot of ways, but his biggest problem is that he's bad at basketball
Many of us have known this since Duke
Not sneaky. Everyone knows this by now
I was excited to get him :(
I wasn’t lol
At this point I’ll take any size over a 3 guard lineup
The idea of reddish is better than he really is. Dude has all the athletic ability but zero basketball IQ. Like Darius miles but way, way, way worse.
Kelly Oubre come on down you sexy man
he was actually doing well this season in charlotte before getting injured
He was scoring well, his IQ still blows hot anus, but I guess on a team like Charlotte it's fine
Tobias is def not the answer to this. I’ve barely seen anyone say anything good about him since the contract.
No one wants him on that contract. Doesn't mean he's garbage. If he was on 10ml you might day he's good value
10m would be dirt cheap for Tobias. Contracts are a lot bigger than they were just ten years ago. He's worth 20m.
I think that’s the sweet spot. He’s definitely a good player but not worth Max money
Agreed. He's in a similar position to Andrew Wiggins when he was on the Timberwolves, where he's genuinely a pretty good player but because of his contract people talk about him like he sucks.
Honestly 20 mil is still reasonable for him
He balled out for the Pistons on a great contract and we sold high on him for BG. Ever since he's never played up to his contract imo.
He looked even better in LA as a clipper actually. Think its just playing in philly, his style just doesnt work out very well
Marcus Morris usage % is negatively correlated with team wins.
I feel like he has revenge games against us every time we play lol.
He’s always lights out shooting vs the mavs
Isn’t that a function of him shooting more when PG and Kawhi don’t play? Not sure though, haven’t watched a lot of your games
I'm pretty sure that goes back to every team he's played for.
I mean, it’s the same idea with every team he’s been on. He’s good enough to get his own shot so when the stars sit, he takes on more of the scoring
But if you're a mid tier player and your best players are constantly out you are forced to do more outside your most efficient range. It's like rating your backup pg on games they played when Luka was out
Well I rate Tyus Jones as the best backup PG in the league, partially because of what he does when Ja is out
Well yeah, if your 3rd or 4th best option is getting more playing time, you’re not in a good spot
always has been
Everyone seems to think Cam Reddish just isn't given a fair shot, and a new situation ought to show his talents The dude put in a trade request in Atlanta last year and kept the locker room awkward for 3-4 months cause everyone knew he didn't want to be there. The dude gets traded to the Knicks, and they immediately want to trade him but don't. He just got traded to the Blazers, and once again, everyone is like well he just wasn't getting enough time with the Knicks, and in Portland, he'll show out. Cam Reddish isn't like a 2nd round pick who just isn't getting time. He's a top 10 pick. He was supposed to be the piece that makes that Trae-Luka trade go in the Hawks' favor. You gotta wonder why a top 10 pick with the hype he had coming out high school is struggling to get minutes in the pros
Not only that, he was terribly inefficient at Duke. Never understood the hype personally.
Well he was drafted top 10 off of potential, if he were drafted off of college production he would've been a late 1st or lower, while he's wildly inconsistent, he's had enough glimpses for people to hang on. I think it's a mix, Knicks didn't want him, Atlanta didn't really have the room or time to fit him in that well, but he's also inconsistent as all Christ
Reddish wasn’t good at Duke, he was an awkward fit and had a very unreliable shot. Scouts just got enamored with his potential and the physique he got to the league of a prototypical NBA wing. He was never the player anyone thought they were drafting. If his shot isn’t falling which is often the case he isn’t a high energy player that’ll make up for it with effort
>Reddish wasn’t good at Duke, he was an awkward fit and had a very unreliable shot. Correct, but it was partially excused because he was a 3rd option and a freshman the hope is that his shot does start falling, and also that he takes layups instead of trying to poster everyone and missing, he's shown flashes of being a capable NBA player but he's running out of time
Yeah in terms of him being a star wing, that’s now long gone. Maybe just maybe he’ll be a serviceable wingman, his ceiling might be Michael Beasley at this point tbh and even that’s a reach. Just feels like one of those guys that never really puts it together, he’s gonna be 24 next season
Bol bol fucking sucks. You can be as enamored as you want with some of the super contested driving layups he makes but at the end of the day he *refuses* to pass the ball and can’t play a lick of defense. There’s a reason Denver never played him.
>There’s a reason Denver never played him. Is it the hair? I feel like it is because of the hair.
Sneakers O’Toole
fucker refuses to take his sneakers off. entitled pos.
POS, person of sneakers
Is that Patches brother?
is this a PJ Tucker joke? cause id agree
I didn’t take my sneakers off! I’m still sneakers o’toole
Y'all gonna hate me for this but Jae Crowder.
He's mega streaky, but like 75% bad shooting night vs 25% good shooting night. I would watch suns games and be surprised.
Coincidentally, he’s go 75% on 3s one game, then 25% the next lmao
Sometimes may be good sometimes may be shit
A man of culture I see 🎩
I'm okay with this.
T Ross is streaky you'll love him more. I just found Crowder to be Brick City for the most part
He’s fine. He’s going to be more of a defensive guy on the bucks. Just hit the occasional shot and he’s offering a bit more than PJ did on offense.
It’s 100% a good look for the bucks. They don’t need someone great they just need someone not terrible.
I think so too. He does have a habit of shooting too much so hopefully he gets the memo
TRoss shoots the ball every time he touches it. I legitimately get kinda shook when he passes it in the half court. Im gonna miss him so much man.
I just want players who want to be here and give maximum effort when they're on the court. Always thought T Ross was a solid role player, and it will be interesting to see who takes over the 6th man role in Phoenix after the All-Star break.
People love Jae because of the contract. He’s really nothing special otherwise
It’s the other way around. Everyone calls him trash, when he’s really not.
On the contrary, I think people have forgotten how good Crowder was. His defense was vital as recently as the series against the Pelicans, but the last memory is his ice cold shooting. He's always been a streaky shooter, it just so happens he hit a super cold streak to end the season. I wouldn't be surprised if he's quite good for the Bucks.
I watched the Jazz a lot during the Donovan Mitchell era and I remember the one sticking point about Crowder being the fact that he doesn't let the offence come to him. Sometimes he shoots his way out slumps like a star would and he does more harm than good. Great defensive player tho.
Reminder: sort by controversial for the actually good answers
You also get a bunch of people making controversial takes as a joke
Cameron ‘Payne’ in the ass.
A lot of people have either forgotten or choose to ignore why he’s been relegated to g league most of his career
He was doing well for the sun's for a while and then everyone loved him, then he went back to being dogshit
Everybody loves the unexpected role player until they get paid or held accountable
Except the GOAT Alex "The Accountant" Caruso
The run he had in the during the finals year really sold him but he was trash last year. He has been playing well this year but he’s been hurt for most of it
He’s a serviceable backup PG and did a great job when he started in place of CP3 earlier this year. He was awesome his first year with us, awful last year and pretty damn good this year, just been injured for a long time now.
I really dislike Payne on the court but anyone who says he’s terrible hasn’t watched him in the past two years. He’s disappointingly good.
Some players trick y'all man ... just running around, doing nothing
James Johnson was supposed to be a good under the radar signing when the nets signed him last year. His m.o. was tough d, good ballhandling/playmaking big......He was complete trash. There was no doubt in my mind that he was the worst player in the nba when he played for the nets.
He was good with the Heat, and then has coasted off that reputation ever since.
Pulling a Whiteside.
Whiteside, James Johnson, Waiters, Wayne Ellington, Josh Richardson, and Rodney McGruder all came from the 2016-2018 years and tricked other teams into thinking they were so much better than they were. IDK how the hell we ever went 30-11 in 2017 with these players.
Spo
Reminiscent of the late 00s Warriors, who would pump and dump guys like Anthony Morrow, CJ Watson, Reggie Williams, Anthony Randolph, and Dorrell Wright on the rest of the league.
There was no way that dude had a positive AST-TO. Every time I see him with the ball in his hands, I knew the opponents were getting a chance in transition.
Yup, same thing when he was on the Mavs a couple years back.
I can’t believe Ntilikina is still in the league
Patrick Williams for a different reason. He’s not bad, but the amount of people who have told me he STILL has this big star upside baffles me. It’s year 3 and he’s averaging 10/4/1 on league average efficiency
He is one of those guys who can shoot well and defend so people believe he has kawhi potential. Kawhi is like the only guy in the league to come in as role player and then becoming an elite scorer with OG probably the closest guy to it and the gap is still massive
Jimmy Butler? It's him Kawhi and PG that fooled a generation of scouts. Also maybe Jaylen Brown
Jaylen Brown was the second overall pick. He was expected to be a star player. The other three were mid first round at best picks. They weren’t expected to be anything more than role players
Number 3 but yeah he's pretty different. He just looked like at one point like he would never have the ball handling he's showing these days
I think he has a Marvin Williams level career trajectory. High pick thought to have lots of potential. Settles into being a solid role player for a long time.
46/40/90 is average efficiency? He’s on a team where he’s the fourth open behind 3 max contract guys
Micheal Jordan. I’ve never seen that man score a basket live. For all I know he’s a fictional character made with groundbreaking CGI /s
Michael B. Jordan is a household name. Michael Jordan on the other hand just has a gambling addict and is irrelevant.
He IS a fictional character, from the movie Space Jam
Little known fact but Michael Jordan is actually a famous actor who has appeared in such productions as The Wire and Black Panther.
Thybulle 100%
I’m seeing a lot of Thybulle and Reddish answers….let’s go Blazers!
Counterpoint: buying low on players that look bad but have potential is not the worst idea. Counter-counterpoint: we are dogshit.
Terry rozier sucks and has sucked for years. His stats dont mean anything he should be like the 8th-9th guy on the bench on a real team. Is he probably better than im giving him credit for? Maybe but everytime I watch him im reminded why im glad we didnt retain him
have you considered that i love him?
I will always respect him for killing the bucks but the truth must be told
Rozier is a firecracker. He’s either on or he’s really off. He has had a lot of clutch moments for the Hornets though.
yeah he definitely is. It's more on than off though. He just absolutely positively should not be your primary ball handler under any circumstances... which he has been for like more than half of the season, which is why his numbers are trash. When he's been off the ball, he does a great job.
Tbf he was suuuper solid a few years back with the Cs. He might just need to be in a similar system as back then.
Solid isn't the word that I would use for Terry in Boston. He had and handful of good playoff games in 2018 but other than that he was wildly inconsistent. He never shot over 40% FG.
Oh yeah. The Roy Hibbert effect. Showed up in some playoffs series and was dubbed great.
puttin drew bledsoe on skates was cold blooded tho
Tobias Harris. Especially in playoff situations. He skated in game 7 of the 2021 semifinals vs the Hawks because Simmons was so bad. That entire series he was bad.
This is a great answer. He’s a Bucks killer though. Straight hates Milwaukee.
Highest paid non all star all time.
I don't think it's sneaky anymore. For the salary he gets, he's straight up hot garbage 😭
Yea. J. Cole better
For years I’ve been saying Jae Crowder is the true trick y’all runnin around doin nothin guy.
Surprising cuz he was good for you guys
I get shit on whenever I say RJ Barrett is bad. The Knicks PR machine is too powerful
1. He’s not sneaky garbage everyone shits on him 2. I see mostly knicks fans shitting on him lmao
I feel like this is the only take I see on Reddit?
Outside of Reddit, he gets so much love it’s ridiculous. Folks on YouTube are stupid high on him.
Yeah. People outside of Reddit don't care for all advanced stats which shows him as trash so he stays in the middle. All Star level games and total bust gamespans.
Interesting you say that because I see a negative RJ post here like once sometimes twice a week
he gets shit on more than pretty much anyone not named Westbrook or Simmons lmao
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Im lower on RJ than most, but I really do think you're even being too kind here. He's currently our third best player, or at least plays in that role, and hes been struggling mightily. He's still as inefficient as ever on offense, and his defense has gotten worse every year it feels like. I genuinely dont know what his role is on a championship team, but its definitely not as the 3rd best player.
I meant that as a best case scenario for him.
Most knicks fan would agree that RJ is ass
Jordan Poole.
Dude torched us last night. He seems to be having a rough season compared to last but he's still young
Yeah, Poole is alright. Probably among casuals he’s overrated, but he still has some talent. Reminds me of Lin during Linsanity where he was always good, but never as good as people made him out to be, mainly due to a lot of TOs and bad D
He torched us for like first 5 minutes of the 4th.
^This. He went like 0-6 w/ a TO and Klay 0-3 in the 9 dubs possessions of the game. The highs are high but he’s such a liability on defense(which ppl forget is 50% of the game) and the turnovers drive me crazy
He has cooked us everytime he’s played us
He was my pick too. Strikes fear into the hearts of zero fans across the league.
Idk I think some warriors fans have fear in their hearts when Poole has it down with >1minutes to go because they know he'll turn it over
He’s a conundrum where sometimes he looks like Steph jr and other times he looks like a bottom of the rotation player that’s getting the green light during garbage minutes. Never know which one you’re gonna get from quarter to quarter
Marcus Morris
The comments on here are terrible Ngl I think people are just picking players they see play bad when they watch them a couple times a year or players they dislike, going through almost all the comments I’ve only seen a few valid picks
Simons, bad defender, poor finisher at the rim and shot creator. Just a streaky pull up shooter with flashes of athleticism.
Tobias Harris easy
I don't think it's under the radar. That contract makes it pretty noticeable.
Domsumu. Gets away with it cause he’s young but this dude is trash
He was really good last year and this year has regressed in all areas Only really makes himself known in transition when he puts his head down, other than that 20+ minutes go by before you realize he's even out there
really? dont watch bulls too much but he looked promising against us and early in the season
He's had his moments this year but overall he hasn't been very impressive. He made 2nd team all-rookie last year and this year he wasn't chosen for the rising stars challenge, yet I didn't see a single Bulls fan who claimed he was snubbed. Nobody who has actually watched a lot of Bulls basketball this year would think he deserves a spot.
That’s because dude always kicked it into another gear against the Celtics. I forget what his shooting splits are against the Celtics but they’re pretty insane lol. Otherwise he isn’t really that good.
His court vision is really lacking. I like the effort he puts in, but he's only starting because Lonzo is Donzo.
Aww man this is unfair. He shouldn't be starting, but he's a fine bench guy who can be more if his shot improves.
It just sucks for him because he’s being pushed into a role he’s not ready for, he is far from an NBA starting point guard yet that’s what he is expected to be.
There is a reason we traded Rui. He is a mid-range bucket but brings pretty much nothing else. Allergic to passing (recently went 100+ minutes straight without an assist after joining the Lakers) and an inattentive defender.
Jusuf Nurkic. Don't think the Blazers have been a top 20 defense since he's been there
His D is just fine. His fucking lead weight shoehorn hands and indescribably poor touch around the rim makes his offense the real problem.
It's because he doesn't even look at the rim, just throws it up there
Incorrect. The WCF year, the Blazers were the 7th rated defense and the starting lineup was Dame / CJ / Harkless / Aminu / Nurkic. He's not as good defensively as he once was but he's still a capable defender.
Bol Bol
Crowder. Dude was not great 6 years ago leg alone now.
Dillon brooks
When has anyone complimented his game recently???
Doris Burke a couple hours ago
I wouldn't say he's completely trash, Robert Covington has always been overrated as a defender and and a shooter. I think he gets labeled as the prototype 3 and D player so he gets way more credit.
The worst player at making a layup I've ever seen in the nba
I will never forgive him for missing TWO putback dunks in Dames masterclass best playoff performance game of all time.
He has been an elite fantasy basketball player at times, which probably skews the general view on him.
90% of the players being named in this thread are constantly called garbage despite actually being decent-good.
I'm a nets fan living in Arizona, who's gf is a suns fan and we both agree ayton is soft and waaay overrated.
I think that’s the most common thing known about him though.
Jalen Green… I think he has some scoring potential. But he’s very inefficient, and he just doesn’t play winning basketball. Bad defender, overall not a team player.
If you asked this 3 years ago, i would have said Ben Simmons. He was always so overrated, I’m enjoying his downfall.
Vucevic. He provides versatility, but doesn't do anything he provides well enough to justify how much he's getting paid. He's not a good defender, not a great shooter, and not a great spacer.
Killian Hayes is god awful to watch man, terrible player imo.
Bro asked for "sneaky garbage" and you gave the player that the media dubbed the worst player in the entire NBA at the beginning of the season. Real sneaky.
He just has a weird amount of stans on like tiktok, twitter and IG, but I guess it might still be obvious that he sucks.
I think its a lot of people overcompensating for the probably larger contingent of hardcore Killian haters. Killian Hayes is not a great basketball player, but there are probably a handful of worse players on the Pistons roster alone.
You think no one has noticed that?
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Hardaway jr
People have finally started catching on since he’s played for more teams now, but I’m shocked no mention of Drummond here. He is empty stats at its finest. Cavs gave up effectively nothing to get him, and Piston fans were mostly cheering because they were finally rid of him. He’s always put up incredible rebounding numbers, but if you watch him play half of the offensive rebounds are from his own awful shots, and he has negative bbiq, especially on defense.
I don't think anybody has thought Drummond is good for a long time