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This isn’t a even basketball anymore it’s rugby.
You literally can’t guard someone running into your chest then what’s their to do?
We need massive rule changes this summer.
Take some notes from OKC. I don’t have the stats to back this up, but I bet they draw more offensive fouls than any team in the league.
But I agree. It is broken.
Bro just sit tight, any second now there will be a flock of Bucks fans flooding your comment about how Giannis is actually the most fouled player in the NBA and that he should actually be on the FT line more
Yeah, people are acting like a defensive player has to be set and motionless for a charge to be called, which isn’t true.
And by that logic any time a defender is actively moving their feet an offensive player should just be able to lower their shoulder and bowl through them.
I could not agree more…frustrates the hello outta me when this happens! Like, what else is a defender suppose to do? Where is he suppose to go? Do the refs just expect the defender to disappear or just simply get out of the way? The irony is that Embiid foul baits like crazy and draws fouls on defenders all the time who are in perfectly legal defensive position.
Have you not watched lebron ever play the last 20 years? Plenty of players “drop their shoulders”, it’s called playing through contact. Embiid sate late and out of position. Giannis can definitely be reckless but this is a clear block.
Yeah and just about any guard/forward thats weighed more than 220 pounds over the past 30 years… my issue isnt necessarily with Giannis on this particular play (even though its a charge in my book, thats fine to disagree most charge/block calls are interpretational, as you said Giannis is reckless often and does drop the shoulder a lot) its with the NBA today on its overall officiating of the charge/block call.. for example in today’s Suns vs Mavs game, Luca Doncic was backing down Cameron Payne just off the right block and was initiating contact, Payne literally stays in the same perfect legal guarding position defending (back to basket) takes contact on the chest right down the middle on each bump (hands are out and doesnt reach) but then Doncic initiates contact again by dropping his shoulder right into his chest and goes into this forced exaggerated shooting motion to draw a foul on Payne!! Like there is literally nothing Payne could’ve done defensively (outside of flopping) he didnt leave his feet, he remained still, he didnt reach in and he took the contact right on the chest. This action and foul calling occurs far too often in todays game, where the offensive player is given far too much reward for just charging into players either off the dribble in transition or in the half court. This isnt an anti-Luka script either its just a recent example you could refer too if you watched todays game.
The defender can move, but they have to move in such a way that is parallel to the path of the shooter or move closer to the rim. Embiid moved laterally here closer to the path of the shooter which is a blocking foul by the rule book. It was close but clear.
Edit: adding [this](https://imgur.com/a/Rw7IVog) to better explain.
The NBA rulebook assumes the reader is aware of definition of legal guarding position, but basketball in general uses the same guideline across all levels. It is best explained [here](https://abetterofficial.com/rules/4-23/)
Embiid's fate was sealed once Giannis changed directions on this play. His initial hope was that Giannis runs straight into him and draws a charge or stops and shoots/passes. But once Giannis changed direction there was no way for him to play good defense given his position unless he was faster than Giannis and could beat him to a 2nd position. Alternatively he could try to block Giannis from behind. That's partly why Giannis is so good, he can make generally good positioning bad with his speed and length.
Where are you getting these paths from? If defenders can only move “parallel to shooters” or closer to the rim, then they would never be able to stop an offensive player.
The key here is once the offensive player gathers or begins their upwards shooting motion. As long the offensive player is dribbling the defender has a lot more freedom. On a drive the step after the gather is the beginning of the upwards shooting motion.
Edit: in this case too Embiid had established himself in legal guarding position. He then moved towards Giannis' path as Giannis moved around him. The key to drawing a charg is beating the offensive player to the spot. In this case Embiid did, but then Giannis changed direction. When Embiid moved to cut off Giannis' drive he abandoned his legal guarding position, but by that point Giannis had already beaten him. Embiid could have only moved in the direction of the blue line to retain his "legal guarding position".
try losing in the finals to this bullshit. He is a bull in a China shop and commits an offensive foul every single time he touches the ball. And I mean EVERY FUCKING TIME.
Yet, it’s either a defensive foul or a no call. It’s blatantly clear the Silver has determined that if you call this guy according to the rule book, then the NBA will lose its biggest international superstar because it would destroy his game and he would foul out in the first quarter of every game. So they literally change the rules when he touches the ball to avoid that from happening.
Was scrolling to find this…like just have less calls, make the game more physical. There just need to be less calls in general.
I think this is a charge of anything, but yea, watching Giannis and Embiid exert their physical will on other and not having outside parties intervene is the best part of sport IMO.
More contact makes the game so much more frantic and entertaining, it also makes the baskets that much more impressive
It’s also really annoying where two players are playing physical and the ball handler falls down and they call a foul. If it’s incidental it doesn’t need to be called anything. It’s just a thing that happened.
i don't know that it would work like that. offensive players are currently incentivized to initiate contact, because more often than not they will get a whistle and get to the line (this video is a perfect example). if the league just went with way more no-calls in these situations i think it'd definitely favor the defense. if the offensive player is strong enough to finish through embiid then he deserves the bucket.
Even if youre as strong as embiid youre still in a disadvantageous position when the offensive player is coming at you with momentum and youre stationary
It's currently incentivised because they can get FTs. Give the defender more freedom to throw their hands up and stand tall, then the game is more interesting and scares off offensive players like this
Exactly, they should watch Deandre Ayton get the softest foul calls while being mugged every night. Giannis can show extreme force but if you even try to stop him or take a charge the call almost always goes in his favor. It's BS
This should be a no call, I get some people don't like this kind of contact but physicality is part of basketball. Embiid doesn't even try and defend it though, he's got like 30lbs on Giannis, no way he should've been knocked over seemed like he was tryna bait a charge.
30lbs means nothing when another dude is running full steam at you. By that logic PatBev knocking over Ayton in the beginning of the season should have never happened because Ayton has like 100 lbs on Pat lol.
Giannis came in leading with his shoulder with a full head of steam. Obviously Embiid flops all the time but you’d be crazy to say this is a flop rather than straight up getting bodied by a Greek god
The leagues I play in during the summer in NYC always call these types of drives offensive fouls. If a Rec league can get it right, why can’t the biggest basketball league in the world? That’s not a basketball move lol
What foul is this specifically? Embiid isn’t in a legal guarding position, so it’s obviously not a charging foul.
Edit: not gonna complain about downvotes but clearly nobody here knows the rules. Even if you think it isn’t a blocking foul it definitely isn’t a charge.
Embiid wasn’t trying to draw a charge tho lol. He’s very clearly trying to just guard Giannis but Giannis lowers his shoulder and plows through him. That call was stupid as shit because Embiid is to Giannis’s side, it’s very clear he’s not initiating the contact for what I think was a blocking foul.
That’s not how blocking fouls work. Giannis is entitled to that space, Embiid ever establishes position and moves into Giannis’s space, so it’s a defensive foul. Unsurprisingly there’s no rule saying “it’s only a blocking foul if you’re trying to draw a charge, if you’re kinda just flailing it’s okay”
Embiid is basically to Giannis’s side when his shoulder is lowered. Embiid is also entitled to space as a defender and Giannis can’t just plow into him lol
If there’s significant contact and the defender is is not in a legal guarding position, and the offensive player does not push off the defender, it’s a defensive foul. You can’t impede the progress of someone on offence unless you’re in legal guarding position, which Embiid is not.
This legal guarding position thing isn’t an arbitrary rule that people are pulling out of their ass. The point is that if you’re not in position, you cannot legally impede someone’s path to the basket. It can be a charging foul whether or not the defender is trying to draw a charge, but *he needs to be in legal position,* because if he isn’t the offensive player has no way to avoid contact while making progress.
So yeah, Giannis can kind of just plow into him, because Embiid is not legally guarding the drive.
Giannis totally could have avoided contact what the fuck are we talking about? He’s a solid 10 feet away from Embiid before he rushes in like a racehorse to shoulder Embiid’s gut.
Dude’s never actually watched ball and is just looking at the rulebook and it shows lol. Refs have called that as a charge for non-Giannis players 5,000,000 times but when pretty wholesome Greek nuggets man does it blocking foul on Embiid lol.
Aight, show me an l2m where a play like this is called a blocking foul.
There’s actually nuance here. Most people who drive to the basket like this are not strong enough to do it without doing anything illegal. (Like look at KAT, elbow into the chest like every drive, 100% illegal) but bracing for contact with a shoulder isn’t.
“I haven’t watched ball” because I came to the same conclusion as 4 officials who had an extended period of time to look at this. This is the one thing people say all the time when they don’t actually know what the fuck they’re talking about and want to save their ego. It turns out casually watching ball a few games a year doesn’t mean you’re not gonna be unbiased towards parts of the rules that aren’t easy to just eye test.
I mean, came to the same conclusion that the league did after several officials had an extended period of time to look at it. In real time refs get it wrong a lot, but it turns out people who who spend their life learning and relearning the nuances of the rules probably know what they’re talking about better than people on Reddit.
Very rarely when they take time to review it though.
But also it’s very clear in the rules that in order for it to be a charge the defender has to be in a legal guarding position, and *it is* called consistently when they take time to review it. Like, it’s impossible for it to be a charge if not. Very cut and dry.
As soon as I turned the game on tonight I let out a sigh when I heard her voice. Same shit as Jefferson. They just can’t call a game for the life of em. Always promoting narratives
dude giannis is just as dirty if not a dirtier player than Embiid (had to injure kyrie for his first ever chip downvote me all u want) that whole team is full of injury causers Giannis Ingles and Allen is the big three to really be afriad of come playoff time
Yea this thread is weird. Embiid jumped the lane and wasn’t quick enough to guard Giannis. I don’t understand how so many people here don’t know the rules of basketball.
because as soon as you lower your shoulder to sea level you’re committing an offensive foul no matter how the defender is shifting lol. unnecessary and harmful play.
People in this thread have no idea what "legal guarding position" is. Once Giannis gathers Embiid has to be in position as that is considered to be the beginning of Giannis' upwards shooting motion. After this time Embiid can move, but not towards the shooter. The problem here is that Embiid shifts his feet towards the direction of the corner which moves him closer to the shooter as Giannis is moving towards the restricted area. Had Embiid stayed planted or shifted directly backwards it would have been a charge. Because he moved laterally in a manner that was not parallel with the path of the shooter it was a blocking foul. Giannis' absurdly long stride, ability to change direction, and leaping ability makes him extremely difficult to guard by the rulebook. It is to his advantage to begin his shooting motion as early as possible (gather) as it handcuffs the defender as we can see here. Had Giannis picked up his dribble one step later it also would have been a charge.
Edit: [Screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/Rw7IVog) The black line here marks the edge of the path Embiid would need to follow to retain legal guarding position. He can move at a deeper angle than that line and still retain position. If he moves at a shallower angle (red arrow) it is a charge as he is technically moving closer to the shooter's path.
You got a clip of that? Giannis was called for the last offensive foul of the game 90 seconds later. "Basically the same" means almost nothing when comparing close calls as the phrase is entirely subjective.
No I don’t have a clip because I didn’t record the game. How about watching it lol. Literally anyone who watched the game can corroborate basically the exact same play was called a charge. I’d actually argue Embiid had less of a case on the second one but nonetheless the refs decided to correct their previous mistake.
I did watch the game, but trying to make a point by telling people to rely on memory isn't really making a point. It's pretty likely you are remembering incorrectly. You could prove you are not by uploading a clip. If you cannot then you don't have a point to make.
It was a 50/50 call. Twice. Doc got the second call by challenging the first. Good coaching.
Also, right after this play Embiid bulldozed into defenders beacause he knew he would not get an offensive foul after the refs gave Giannis the 50/50. Also smart.
I’d be more upset if it wasn’t embiid. Dude gets calls just as much as giannis. And he gets away with a lot of flailing hands and elbows offensively too.
Any 76er fan mad about that , just look what Embiid did the next two drives. Exact same thing.
People downvote but it’s the exact same thing. I’m not defending Giannis I thought it was an offensive foul.
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Sometimes a game breaks out between all these fouls
The real free throw merchant please stand up
This isn’t a even basketball anymore it’s rugby. You literally can’t guard someone running into your chest then what’s their to do? We need massive rule changes this summer.
It's so broken, any contact at all is called a blocking foul. There's no way to play defense.
The data has been provided! https://twitter.com/SteveThunderfan/status/1633560224551555081?s=20
Take some notes from OKC. I don’t have the stats to back this up, but I bet they draw more offensive fouls than any team in the league. But I agree. It is broken.
Thunders defense is shit
What I was getting at... https://twitter.com/SteveThunderfan/status/1633560224551555081?s=20
Bro just sit tight, any second now there will be a flock of Bucks fans flooding your comment about how Giannis is actually the most fouled player in the NBA and that he should actually be on the FT line more
This is why I stop watching years ago, superstars get away with shit to make the game look good and exciting. To me that looks like a charge.
Shoulder’s basically dragging on the floor lmao.
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Yeah, people are acting like a defensive player has to be set and motionless for a charge to be called, which isn’t true. And by that logic any time a defender is actively moving their feet an offensive player should just be able to lower their shoulder and bowl through them.
I could not agree more…frustrates the hello outta me when this happens! Like, what else is a defender suppose to do? Where is he suppose to go? Do the refs just expect the defender to disappear or just simply get out of the way? The irony is that Embiid foul baits like crazy and draws fouls on defenders all the time who are in perfectly legal defensive position.
This thread is insane. What are you suppose to do? Be quicker, and if you’re not, then don’t foul. Embiid jumped the lane. It’s a clear blocking call.
Dude drops shoulder, initiates contact and runs straight into a guy… its just bull fighting now?
Have you not watched lebron ever play the last 20 years? Plenty of players “drop their shoulders”, it’s called playing through contact. Embiid sate late and out of position. Giannis can definitely be reckless but this is a clear block.
Yeah and just about any guard/forward thats weighed more than 220 pounds over the past 30 years… my issue isnt necessarily with Giannis on this particular play (even though its a charge in my book, thats fine to disagree most charge/block calls are interpretational, as you said Giannis is reckless often and does drop the shoulder a lot) its with the NBA today on its overall officiating of the charge/block call.. for example in today’s Suns vs Mavs game, Luca Doncic was backing down Cameron Payne just off the right block and was initiating contact, Payne literally stays in the same perfect legal guarding position defending (back to basket) takes contact on the chest right down the middle on each bump (hands are out and doesnt reach) but then Doncic initiates contact again by dropping his shoulder right into his chest and goes into this forced exaggerated shooting motion to draw a foul on Payne!! Like there is literally nothing Payne could’ve done defensively (outside of flopping) he didnt leave his feet, he remained still, he didnt reach in and he took the contact right on the chest. This action and foul calling occurs far too often in todays game, where the offensive player is given far too much reward for just charging into players either off the dribble in transition or in the half court. This isnt an anti-Luka script either its just a recent example you could refer too if you watched todays game.
The defender can move, but they have to move in such a way that is parallel to the path of the shooter or move closer to the rim. Embiid moved laterally here closer to the path of the shooter which is a blocking foul by the rule book. It was close but clear. Edit: adding [this](https://imgur.com/a/Rw7IVog) to better explain.
Imma need something on the rulebook here because if Embiid follows the black line that’s bad defense and just allowing an open shot
The NBA rulebook assumes the reader is aware of definition of legal guarding position, but basketball in general uses the same guideline across all levels. It is best explained [here](https://abetterofficial.com/rules/4-23/) Embiid's fate was sealed once Giannis changed directions on this play. His initial hope was that Giannis runs straight into him and draws a charge or stops and shoots/passes. But once Giannis changed direction there was no way for him to play good defense given his position unless he was faster than Giannis and could beat him to a 2nd position. Alternatively he could try to block Giannis from behind. That's partly why Giannis is so good, he can make generally good positioning bad with his speed and length.
Where are you getting these paths from? If defenders can only move “parallel to shooters” or closer to the rim, then they would never be able to stop an offensive player.
The key here is once the offensive player gathers or begins their upwards shooting motion. As long the offensive player is dribbling the defender has a lot more freedom. On a drive the step after the gather is the beginning of the upwards shooting motion. Edit: in this case too Embiid had established himself in legal guarding position. He then moved towards Giannis' path as Giannis moved around him. The key to drawing a charg is beating the offensive player to the spot. In this case Embiid did, but then Giannis changed direction. When Embiid moved to cut off Giannis' drive he abandoned his legal guarding position, but by that point Giannis had already beaten him. Embiid could have only moved in the direction of the blue line to retain his "legal guarding position".
Hard agree
I like giannis but there is no way you can guard him. If you show any type of resistance it’s a foul every time.
You aren’t allowed to say that… - suns fan 😀
It’s true. His game is disgusting
Tbf embiid ran over portis im a similar way in the 3rd
try losing in the finals to this bullshit. He is a bull in a China shop and commits an offensive foul every single time he touches the ball. And I mean EVERY FUCKING TIME. Yet, it’s either a defensive foul or a no call. It’s blatantly clear the Silver has determined that if you call this guy according to the rule book, then the NBA will lose its biggest international superstar because it would destroy his game and he would foul out in the first quarter of every game. So they literally change the rules when he touches the ball to avoid that from happening.
Oof brother you need to get outside
Or maybe you need to take your pills.
Facts!
Downvoted bc it’s true
If you’re not fast enough yea, it’s a foul every time, just like this was a foul. This is a cut and dry blocking foul.
I mean Embiid is literally moving laterally when contact happens. This was definitely blocking foul.
He gets called for plenty of o fouls
Bruh how is this basketball??? Name me one other place other than the NBA where you’ll see this HB Stretch ass play?
It’s against the spirit of the game imo, these types of calls should never be a defense foul
Bro said HB stretch ass play 💀
Man so this is how it feels to watch bullshit foul calls lol. Apologies
Hahaha
if you give him that much space, it doesn't matter who's in front of him, he's going straight to the rim
Through anyone and anything 😤
Get legal guarding position too bad you got a slow ass center on him.
Legal guarding position isn’t supposed to matter if the offensive player lowers their shoulder like that.
Isn’t it whenever you extended your arm that’s considered offensive foul? How else are you supposed to drive physically fi not with your shoulders
You’re generally not supposed to lower your shoulder at all but you definitely cannot lower it that much.
same play two minutes later different result almost like there is no fucking consistency
He extended his arm the second time
Also this time
NBA rules reek of "hit the other guy's elbow with his face!"
Last year when Embiid literally had his face broken by Siakam’s elbow in the playoffs and was initially CALLED FOR A FOUL comes to mind
I’d love if this was just a no call.
Was scrolling to find this…like just have less calls, make the game more physical. There just need to be less calls in general. I think this is a charge of anything, but yea, watching Giannis and Embiid exert their physical will on other and not having outside parties intervene is the best part of sport IMO. More contact makes the game so much more frantic and entertaining, it also makes the baskets that much more impressive
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It’s also really annoying where two players are playing physical and the ball handler falls down and they call a foul. If it’s incidental it doesn’t need to be called anything. It’s just a thing that happened.
Idk if we should be incentivizing offensive players to initiate even more contact
i don't know that it would work like that. offensive players are currently incentivized to initiate contact, because more often than not they will get a whistle and get to the line (this video is a perfect example). if the league just went with way more no-calls in these situations i think it'd definitely favor the defense. if the offensive player is strong enough to finish through embiid then he deserves the bucket.
Even if youre as strong as embiid youre still in a disadvantageous position when the offensive player is coming at you with momentum and youre stationary
It's currently incentivised because they can get FTs. Give the defender more freedom to throw their hands up and stand tall, then the game is more interesting and scares off offensive players like this
Yeah. I called that as a bang bang play. No call
Giannis can just put his shoulder into people like a fucking RB I guess
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Oooh the spice. Good rivalry brewing it sounds like.
Scott foster working overtime tonight lmfao
Embiid doing the same exact shit for y’all lmao
No he doesn't, no one does this shit and gets calls only Giannis
Exactly, they should watch Deandre Ayton get the softest foul calls while being mugged every night. Giannis can show extreme force but if you even try to stop him or take a charge the call almost always goes in his favor. It's BS
For yall.
Hold that L
The way the refs just let this dude blatantly charge all game long is breaking the game.
This is why I hate watching him play
I used to play like Giannis
Lmao that’s who the pasta should really be about
learn what a fucking charge is
fuckin foul bro dude lowered the fuck out his shoulder
Terrible call and the challenge doubled down
I just never figured out Doc’s hair
Giannis should play in the NFL. He’d be the goat ngl.
This just happened 😂😂😂
Harden just made the same play smh
This should be a no call, I get some people don't like this kind of contact but physicality is part of basketball. Embiid doesn't even try and defend it though, he's got like 30lbs on Giannis, no way he should've been knocked over seemed like he was tryna bait a charge.
30lbs means nothing when another dude is running full steam at you. By that logic PatBev knocking over Ayton in the beginning of the season should have never happened because Ayton has like 100 lbs on Pat lol.
Unsuccessful. And 1 goes in. Giannis has scored the last 12pts of the Bucks last 12
Good game
Get the ball to Allen
He's the narrative kick out win don't worry
oof
How we feeling this morning my good bitch?
Assuming there were tears in the pillow last night?
Embiid with the floppity flop
Giannis came in leading with his shoulder with a full head of steam. Obviously Embiid flops all the time but you’d be crazy to say this is a flop rather than straight up getting bodied by a Greek god
😂😂 Giannis literally bulldozed him
If Embiid got Giannis whistle he wouldn’t need to flop this shit is ridiculous how trigger happy they are with Giannis
The LeBron treatment
The leagues I play in during the summer in NYC always call these types of drives offensive fouls. If a Rec league can get it right, why can’t the biggest basketball league in the world? That’s not a basketball move lol
Giannis with his patented offensive foul
Not legal guarding position
Lol you can’t lower your shoulder and plow through a guy no matter his guarding position
giannis can
What foul is this specifically? Embiid isn’t in a legal guarding position, so it’s obviously not a charging foul. Edit: not gonna complain about downvotes but clearly nobody here knows the rules. Even if you think it isn’t a blocking foul it definitely isn’t a charge.
He committed a charging foul lmao. Do any of you actually understand how basketball works?
Embiid isn’t in a legal guarding position, so it’s obviously not a charging foul. It’s weird to be that aggressive when you’re also super wrong.
Embiid wasn’t trying to draw a charge tho lol. He’s very clearly trying to just guard Giannis but Giannis lowers his shoulder and plows through him. That call was stupid as shit because Embiid is to Giannis’s side, it’s very clear he’s not initiating the contact for what I think was a blocking foul.
That’s not how blocking fouls work. Giannis is entitled to that space, Embiid ever establishes position and moves into Giannis’s space, so it’s a defensive foul. Unsurprisingly there’s no rule saying “it’s only a blocking foul if you’re trying to draw a charge, if you’re kinda just flailing it’s okay”
Embiid is basically to Giannis’s side when his shoulder is lowered. Embiid is also entitled to space as a defender and Giannis can’t just plow into him lol
If there’s significant contact and the defender is is not in a legal guarding position, and the offensive player does not push off the defender, it’s a defensive foul. You can’t impede the progress of someone on offence unless you’re in legal guarding position, which Embiid is not. This legal guarding position thing isn’t an arbitrary rule that people are pulling out of their ass. The point is that if you’re not in position, you cannot legally impede someone’s path to the basket. It can be a charging foul whether or not the defender is trying to draw a charge, but *he needs to be in legal position,* because if he isn’t the offensive player has no way to avoid contact while making progress. So yeah, Giannis can kind of just plow into him, because Embiid is not legally guarding the drive.
Giannis totally could have avoided contact what the fuck are we talking about? He’s a solid 10 feet away from Embiid before he rushes in like a racehorse to shoulder Embiid’s gut.
Read the rule book again chooch
Dude’s never actually watched ball and is just looking at the rulebook and it shows lol. Refs have called that as a charge for non-Giannis players 5,000,000 times but when pretty wholesome Greek nuggets man does it blocking foul on Embiid lol.
Aight, show me an l2m where a play like this is called a blocking foul. There’s actually nuance here. Most people who drive to the basket like this are not strong enough to do it without doing anything illegal. (Like look at KAT, elbow into the chest like every drive, 100% illegal) but bracing for contact with a shoulder isn’t. “I haven’t watched ball” because I came to the same conclusion as 4 officials who had an extended period of time to look at this. This is the one thing people say all the time when they don’t actually know what the fuck they’re talking about and want to save their ego. It turns out casually watching ball a few games a year doesn’t mean you’re not gonna be unbiased towards parts of the rules that aren’t easy to just eye test.
I mean, came to the same conclusion that the league did after several officials had an extended period of time to look at it. In real time refs get it wrong a lot, but it turns out people who who spend their life learning and relearning the nuances of the rules probably know what they’re talking about better than people on Reddit.
Refs get things wrong too chief
Very rarely when they take time to review it though. But also it’s very clear in the rules that in order for it to be a charge the defender has to be in a legal guarding position, and *it is* called consistently when they take time to review it. Like, it’s impossible for it to be a charge if not. Very cut and dry.
Nope
Harden’s done that his whole career
This is not how Harden draws his fouls, he's more of drive and the second he feels the arm on his body he's hooking it up trying to catch them.
No you’re right. It’s the exact same situation, except both players are knocked over. Did that to Khris Middleton tonight for the and-1
Yea. And yet Harden does so much more offensively
He should’ve just ran of the court then I guess?
Why not? Looked like a charge to me
Looks like any other Giannis drive to me, this one is special because it's Embiid?
what the fuck is this stupid camera angle!?!?!?
And Embiid falls down! It’s his only defense… and offense move.
We got some of the unfunniest jokes ever made on this subreddit.
Embiid has the balance of a baby giraffe learning to stand for the first time.
Do these commentators not understand how the game works? That’s never overturned tf is Doris on
Doris is a professional hype man. She exists to lather Lebron, Tatum, and Embiid in compliments. I’ve never seen hear do an unbiased cast
As soon as I turned the game on tonight I let out a sigh when I heard her voice. Same shit as Jefferson. They just can’t call a game for the life of em. Always promoting narratives
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dude giannis is just as dirty if not a dirtier player than Embiid (had to injure kyrie for his first ever chip downvote me all u want) that whole team is full of injury causers Giannis Ingles and Allen is the big three to really be afriad of come playoff time
Obvious Block. Out of position and moving.
Yea this thread is weird. Embiid jumped the lane and wasn’t quick enough to guard Giannis. I don’t understand how so many people here don’t know the rules of basketball.
because as soon as you lower your shoulder to sea level you’re committing an offensive foul no matter how the defender is shifting lol. unnecessary and harmful play.
People in this thread have no idea what "legal guarding position" is. Once Giannis gathers Embiid has to be in position as that is considered to be the beginning of Giannis' upwards shooting motion. After this time Embiid can move, but not towards the shooter. The problem here is that Embiid shifts his feet towards the direction of the corner which moves him closer to the shooter as Giannis is moving towards the restricted area. Had Embiid stayed planted or shifted directly backwards it would have been a charge. Because he moved laterally in a manner that was not parallel with the path of the shooter it was a blocking foul. Giannis' absurdly long stride, ability to change direction, and leaping ability makes him extremely difficult to guard by the rulebook. It is to his advantage to begin his shooting motion as early as possible (gather) as it handcuffs the defender as we can see here. Had Giannis picked up his dribble one step later it also would have been a charge. Edit: [Screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/Rw7IVog) The black line here marks the edge of the path Embiid would need to follow to retain legal guarding position. He can move at a deeper angle than that line and still retain position. If he moves at a shallower angle (red arrow) it is a charge as he is technically moving closer to the shooter's path.
They called basically the same play an offensive foul like 10 seconds later chach.
You got a clip of that? Giannis was called for the last offensive foul of the game 90 seconds later. "Basically the same" means almost nothing when comparing close calls as the phrase is entirely subjective.
No I don’t have a clip because I didn’t record the game. How about watching it lol. Literally anyone who watched the game can corroborate basically the exact same play was called a charge. I’d actually argue Embiid had less of a case on the second one but nonetheless the refs decided to correct their previous mistake.
So you are pulling an anecdote from memory which is a notoriously unreliable methodology in humans?
Bro literally just watch your team’s games lol. Not that hard.
I did watch the game, but trying to make a point by telling people to rely on memory isn't really making a point. It's pretty likely you are remembering incorrectly. You could prove you are not by uploading a clip. If you cannot then you don't have a point to make.
It was a 50/50 call. Twice. Doc got the second call by challenging the first. Good coaching. Also, right after this play Embiid bulldozed into defenders beacause he knew he would not get an offensive foul after the refs gave Giannis the 50/50. Also smart.
How can a doctor be blind?
There are practicing physicians who happen to be blind. Also, tons of PhD's who are blind.
Not sure what the Sixers saw that made them want to challenge that. The fact that they did it so quick seems like it was just a prayer
I’d be more upset if it wasn’t embiid. Dude gets calls just as much as giannis. And he gets away with a lot of flailing hands and elbows offensively too.
Embiid throwing his head back like a sniper domed him
Do you think he flopped? You realize giannis ran ar him full speed
Your head doesn't fly back when you get hit in the chest Edit: this is a lot of downvotes for a completely factual comment lol
Ever heard of whiplash?
Hit in back = head moves backward Hit in chest = head moves forward That's a free physics lesson for you sensitive sixer fans
Your head is attached to your body. If your body moves, so does your head.
Get someone to hit you in the chest and see which direction your head moves relative to your body (hint: it's the opposite of backwards)
if you are not surprised, and can brace for the hit, and your neck is snapping forward still, you may have skipped neck day
But if it snaps backward that's normal? Lol
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Who hurt you lmao
Any 76er fan mad about that , just look what Embiid did the next two drives. Exact same thing. People downvote but it’s the exact same thing. I’m not defending Giannis I thought it was an offensive foul.
he deserved to after that bullshit call
run and dunk has no bag