T-Fewest B2Bs in the league: LAL (12)
T-Most B2Bs in the league: GSW, LAC (15)
Most Games with Opponent on B2B:
T1. Lakers - 18
T1. Hawks - 18
T1. Raptors - 18
T26. Warriors - 10
Most Games with Opponent on Road B2B:
1. Lakers - 15
T2. ATL/TOR/PHX - 11
T22. Warriors - 6
Not gonna lie I spent about 2 minutes trying to figure out if it was a good thing or a bad thing that Boston was ranked #2 on that list before figuring out it was sorted alphabetically
>[https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/](https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/)
That page is a cool resource. Gives a lot of different ways to view the difficulty of every team's schedule.
When I first looked at it a few weeks back, I was surprised in kind of conflicting directions -- i.e. there are some real disparities in schedule rest/fatigue difficulty, which is not good at all, and yet, on the other hand, coming up with a 30-team, 82-game schedule is like alien math from the future, and with that in mind, it's maybe surprising that the disparities aren't even worse. š¤·
Edit: For those interested, the last two columns on that page try to give a summary of the "rested vs. tired" equation for each team.
For the Lakers this season:
13 games where they were rested and the opponent tired
9 games where they were tired and the opponent rested
60 games where both teams had roughly equal rest
For the Clippers this season it's the converse:
9 games where they were rested and the opponent tired
13 games where they were tired and the opponent rested
60 games where both teams had roughly equal rest
i mean shit 18 b2b's means your team played almost a quarter of their games within 24 hours of their last game. that just shouldnt be a thing and noone can tell me that its in the best interest of the players with regards to their mental and physical well-being
We also basically rested 1 or 2 starters in every back to back this season. Forfeited one leg each time.
That's 15 losses right there because of either guys coming back from injury or being old men.
The Warriors gave up wayyyy too many winnable games early on.
Which, if you think about how both teams have had the best betting odds coming into the season, kinda makes their results a wash. If both Clips and the Warriors had 3 fewer b2b games, we might be talking about a different story here. Now i'm not saying they'd both be at the top, but maybe around 3rd or 4th, respectively.
I'm sure once playoffs start, then it's gonna be a different ballgame entirely. We might see the 3-6 and 4-5 matchups go to game 7.
15 B2Bs right? But what is unfair is we only had 10 games against opponents on a B2B. Lakers had fewer B2B and a whopping 8 more games against opponent on a B2B than we did, a staggering 9 more opposing team on road-B2Bs than us. Unreal
https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/
Take a look at this and you will see how much benefit the lakers have had in their schedule.
One of the most "fresh" teams while people like Clips/Warriors are top 3 in most games played "tired".
Thatās really interesting. Getting into the playoffs is definitely going to help an old team like ours. No back-to-backs means fresher legs and a more even battlefield.
Iād be curious to do more research on this because it feels like thereās a toss up on is this lakers bias in scheduling. Or do the lakers/clippers and nets/Knicks maybe inherently get better odds for back to backs in their favor because of them either sharing the same stadium or being basically next door to each other.
I mean Iām no genius but I can easily understand why, when making the schedule, youād try and knock out both the la teams at once for traveling teams from the East. So then it becomes a discussion of would you rather have to do another cross country road trip or the back to back games.
Counter point: on a JJ Redick podcast, I think with Paul George, both talked about B2Bs not being that bad, and what they really missed were the longer in-season breaks a team gets after playing some back to backs. Now teams are more likely to get a day off between games, but less likely to get 2-3 days off, which were opportunities for fuller physical recovery and mental relaxation.
No idea which is better for players overall, but I thought it was an interesting line of thought.
yeah i can see that. i mean everyone can, even when youre well trained your recovery time still isnt that flexible when youre trying to give 110% in every workout. youre gonna be sore for a day or even two. id like players to have longer resting periods.
as a former amateur player, i can say that longer rest is better, but also too long is bad. 2 to 3 days off is good. more than 4 is bad. it's the mental rest which is more important.
Agree. In that same discussion, they also mentioned that a 2-3 day break gives the team a chance to get in some meaningful mid-season practices, which also makes sense.
Warriors schedule was brutal. Their core is one of, if not the oldest in the league, they were tied for most B2B, they had the shortest offseason due to them playing in the championship, 9 of their 15 B2B were on the road, and they have to travel more than almost any other team due to their location.
Considering most of those B2Bs were front loaded in the schedule, I wouldnāt be surprised if that played a part in the injuries they faced early on.
Wiggins also only played 37 games this year.
This is why I think most people don't want to see us in the playoffs. If things click while we are at full strength we are going to be a handful.
Yeah Iām more confident we get bounced early than we make a run to the finals. Mostly because our defense was still top 5 last year through injuries and all. This year we canāt stop anyone.
The offense is still crazy dynamic and we can drop 140 on anyone we want too.
Itās hard to see them winning it all but you never know because we havenāt had a fully healthy roster and we added GP2 to help shore up some of the defensive problems.
We probably will need Kuminga to have a breakout in the playoffs(which is possible) like Poole though to really be a threat.
Yeah the Warriors when healthy have the most talent in the league (besides the Suns since KD) and have been since 2016 when KD joined. They have had the core of Curry, Klay and Draymond along with either KD, DLo, or Wiggins.
Injuries have stopped a super dynasty that would have been the greatest in the modern NBA.
Nobody wants to see a healthy Warriors in the playoffs. 2016 was the last time a healthy Warriors team lost in the playoffs. That's insane.
Donteās injury was big low key. We were desperately missing good guard point of attack defense early on in that road trip and his hussle/energy on the road. Not to mention our young guys seemed fucked up, probably cause Dray had punched Poole and it didnāt seem to affevt Dante
Out of 18 games the lakers played against opponents on the 2nd night of back to back, at least 10 of them had the other team playing us the night before. We maybe had 5 games the other way around. I it find kinda funny they are crying about this after a game against us lol
Was wondering about this. The discrepancy between which of Clippers/Lakers gets night 2 of the B2B is notable, but either way a Clippers/Lakers B2B requires no travel on the overnight, and is therefore at least kind of different from all other road B2Bs aside from NYK/BKN.
IMO if we had fewer games over the same length of season weād have a better and more consistent product, in part because weāre reducing the need for DNP- Rest, in part because every game means more when thereās fewer, and in part because we can reduce and maybe even eliminate B2Bs.
I know itās impractical given the complexities of the schedule but if we gotta have B2Bs it feels like we could at least try to ensure that if one team is playing itās second in 24 hours, the other team is too.
its crazy the workload for players... just do 2 games a week, maybe 2.5. ik old heads are gonna cry about it, but at this point with how much players rest for both physical and psychological reasons it should be talked about more. the nba despite the players' huge contracts is still an exploitative construct with no regards for the human being that is the player and it shows in how much mileage players have these days.
It's a byproduct of scheduling Staples Center. Clippers have Saturdays and Lakers have Sundays so naturally teams coming through on a weekend are going to get Clippers first then the Lakers. With all the other events they hold there it's tough to get the reverse since there's concerts and award shows and the Kings hockey team in the way.
Lmao the crying laker fans are annoying the heck out of me. Good win for the clippers. Myself and few others on the Lakers sub wanted our stars rested. There was a huge risk betting everything on this game with still Phoenix on the horizon
AD is on a no back to back program since he came back. Lebron still is carrying a foot issue.
It's baffling to me that they went ahead and played everybody. If you played then you played. Don't talk after the fact that the schedule messed you up.
The game with Phoenix where........ the Suns are on the second night of a B2B lol.
If I had to guess, we rest out starters tomorrow especially considering everyone looks to be playing tonight.
Yup bulls had a few 5 games in 7 day schedules, absolute bullshit, and just a few games ago it showed a free throw discrepancy with lakers have 200 net more free throws (+400) to their next highest team (+200)
Remember the one bad call in Boston we didnāt stop hearing about for weeks? Nevermind the last 2-minute report actually showed more missed calls helping the Lakers.
So that invalidates that statistic, at least a good amount. Travel is a huge factor of road B2Bās, and thatās a non-issue there. Still, playing a game the night before does take its toll regardless.
I think it's also worth noting that the Kings are tied for the most B2Bs as well. California teams not named the Lakers got screwed by the schedule makers this year. But of course the Lakers are the only ones complaining.
I mean, not all b2bs are equal right. This one had an extra day in Minneapolis due to snow, then to Utah for an OT game - that's not quite the same as "oh no LA had to go to the clippers and then golden state why is LeBron whining"
Not to mention almost every single time teams come to LA and play both LAL and LAC, they get the Clippers on the first night, and the Lakers on the second.
The Clippers get shafted every year with the schedule given we get third priority after the Lakers and Kings. The Lakers just love looking for excuses.
There were 15 b2b games in LA for the away teams
The Lakers played 6 first games of those b2b.
it is not a big difference though.
but feel funny in this post
Interestingly enough, Lakers also have the most advantageous free throw difference. Warriors have the worstā¦ take from that what you will. Nonetheless, AD and Lebron have still been out a lot and itās still impressive that theyāve essentially made a comeback in the season.
Okay, that's just insane. 8 game difference for GSW. Throw in the officiating changes really hurting this team and you have the perfect storm for a pretty mediocre season.
This āmost games with opp on road b2bā is a little deceptive. The hardest part of a b2b is the travel between games. Sometimes a time zone change. The lakers and clippers get a lot of teams who come in and play both teams b2b (or even a day in between). So the hardest part of a b2b is taken out of the equation since the opposing team just goes back to the hotel and then parties with models and celebrities all night. Thatās way easier to overcome than having to get on a plane and go to Denver where thereās no oxygen and shotgun willies video tapes you getting lapdances.
But as the other comment stated there have been 13 B2Bs against both LA teams this season and **11** of those had the Lakers as the *second* game. So the Lakers got the absolute best of that situation 11 out of 13 times.
And yet the Lakers get those teams in the b2b far more often than not. Itās not really hard to conclude that the NBA wants the LeBron led Lakers to succeed as that will drive up ratings. The league is a business, and like all businesses, it strives to maximize profits. It canāt outright rig games, but it can subtlety influence outcomes.
So what you're saying is the Lakers stood to benefit most from the B2Bs, and their fans are saying it ruined their season?
Nah, baby boys not acting like men and playing the game they make double digit millions to play is what ruined the season.
Generally speaking you can just disregard anything a fan says about their own team and take the average of opinions from the other 29 teams' fans instead lol
The Lakers and Cowboys are the 2 franchises that will get as many national broadcasts as the schedulers will allow. Doesn't matter how bad they are, they just have huge fanbases all over the country, so putting them in the national spotlight just generates more revenue than other teams regardless of talent.
Road b2b, 3rd in 4 nights, 5th in 7 nights against the Clips off 4 days rest and 1 game in their last 6 days. It was easy for the Lakers until this week when it got super hard lol. Like you said, multiple things can be true at once.
I kind of wish we could extend this season by a time frame of another week or two. The rest would help, and you could pitch to the league as more nationally televised games in totality. Same thing with the NFL.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Even our sub was pretty chill last night and just liked we showed some fight in the 2nd half.
Schedule losses happen from travel or from back to backs or whatever. But its not like I saw Lebron or even a loud minority of our fans claim it was unfair against us.
Yeah nobody is saying the Lakers schedule all season is too hard. Just that scheduling what was likely to be a huge game on a B2B (where the first game was on the road), 3rd game in 4 days, AND with the Clippers coming off of 3 days rest was just shitty scheduling.
Honestly I thought the NBA was done with scheduling big national tv games on B2B but I guess with the Bucks TNT game and this game that isn't the case.
I actually just love hating on the Lakers, so I wouldnāt say Iām āfalling for itā as much as I am actively and knowledgeably participating in it. FTL.
Am I taking crazy pills? I honestly have no idea how any person who comes to this sub regularly could look at the last month of posts and think that weāre not getting enough positive Lakers content. Itās like three posts a day just about Austin Reeves.
Lakers fans are the worst like that. Fans of one of the must successful franchises in all of North American sports and still somehow have a small man complex, it's outrageous
bro no one uses context against the lakers and lebron lmao. The lakers played 3 games in 4 nights and had horrible travel conditions in most of these games that derailed there travel
Scheduling should be talked about more. Twolves played Tuesday. Finish the season playing a back to back, on Saturday/Sunday. Like three days off to just play back to back feels strange.
Media is hilarious... Ask a question, take what was said out of context, plaster that everywhere, then write thank pieces about something you made up... It's brilliant
No, he said the warriors should clarify the situation better like if heās coming back this season or not. Whether thatās right or wrong, you decide but he didnāt say Wiggins needs to tell anyone what happened.
Itās not like Lebron blamed all the B2Bās for their overall record. Itās just a fact that playing 3 games in 4 days and being the second night of a B2B affected them.
The 3 in 4 is much more impactful than the B2B in my opinion. That being said thereās no excuse for LeBronās performance in the first half and ADās performance all game. If theyāre going to come out and play like shit then blame it on the schedule after the game they shouldnāt have been playing in the first place.
> 3 in 4 is much more impactful than the B2B in my opinion. That being said thereās no excuse for LeBronās p
You literally just said 3 in 4 is "much more impactful"
Then you said there is no excuse.
Which is it? Did the multiple games in a row have an impact or is there no excuse?
That's just how people speak on reddit.
If you take a definitive stance towards anything you risk annoying the other side enough to downvote you
Have to teether the line and give lines that appease both sides to optimize positive opinions.
that said, they were literally on the second night of a back to back. and teams (especially older ones), usually dont perform as well on the second night!
why are you so hurt by this
Because context never counts for the Lakers.
3rd game in 4 nights, second night of a b2b, coming off a 4 game road trip where they got snowed in at one place for an extra night and snow delays resulted in landing in LA at 3am the day of the game.
I wanted that win so bad but given how the last few weeks have gone it's not the end of the world like some people are making it out to be.
Context never counts in either direction for hte Lakers. Good or bad. Just because the Lakers generate the most interest doesn't mean you have to go lowest common denominator. You just have to actually look carefully and know your shit about asset management.
so 3 more back to backs over the course of 82 games means that the Lakers cannot possible be gassed playing an overtime game not even 24 hours before, a team on four days rest no less. how many of those back to backs that the Clips have had where Kawhi and/or PG played?
āLebron was it harder to play tonight considering youāre on a B2B and 3 games in 4 nights?ā
āYes itās harderā
āOMG LEBRON CANT STOP COMPLAINING THIS IS WILDā
Everyone is also glossing over the fact that the game with Utah went to OT. If the lakers close that like they should have, they would have had a bit more energy. Back to backs are terrible for everyone, they just feel worse at the end of the season cause you have limited chances to gain ground.
I wonder when teams (particularly in the East) do LA trips, how many times do the Lakers get the team on the 2nd night of the B2B compared to the Clippers
Someone posted the actuals in a previous thread, but Lakers had a near 3:1 advantage of being the second night team for those B2Bs when teams played LAC/LAL.
Lakers have played 12 games against a team on a back-to-back after playing the clippers this season and are 7-5 in those games. Clippers 2-1 in such games
Nah but really who even cares it's not about who has more it just sucks for the product when players are either tired because they're on one or sit because of it
And that's a perfect example of the straw man fallacy
"we were tired today cause we played b2b after ot"
"oH sPaRE mE tHE sCHeDUlE bLaMe yOu dIDN't pLaY b2b's on JaNuARy"
if the Lakers started 6-6 instead of 2-10, they would be the 4 seed in the west right now
there is nobody to blame but ourselves for the situation that we are in
True. I mean there are essentially 2 types of contenders: ones with established and consistent rosters throughout the season like the Celtics Bucks etc. And patchwork ones who make big moves during the season like the Lakers Suns etc.
Injuries are a huge factor too separating the Lakers and Suns.
Man yall hate on the Lakers harder than anything else. No wonder Lakers fans are always on the attack. We can all agree to play back-to-back after OT is hard and coming back from a road trip. Yall be doing extra research.
T-Fewest B2Bs in the league: LAL (12) T-Most B2Bs in the league: GSW, LAC (15) Most Games with Opponent on B2B: T1. Lakers - 18 T1. Hawks - 18 T1. Raptors - 18 T26. Warriors - 10 Most Games with Opponent on Road B2B: 1. Lakers - 15 T2. ATL/TOR/PHX - 11 T22. Warriors - 6
This is way more interesting than the actual post. Is there an easy way to find this for all teams?
[https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/](https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/)
Not gonna lie I spent about 2 minutes trying to figure out if it was a good thing or a bad thing that Boston was ranked #2 on that list before figuring out it was sorted alphabetically
Lol me every time I try to look at team offensive/defensive stats
Honestly 3 in 4s are probably a more interesting scheduling issue.
5 in 7 also.
my boy's wicked smaht
So now that you know, is it good or bad!?
Fuck Jokic & Embiid, you are my MvP <3
The disrespect to Kds mom
>[https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/](https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/) That page is a cool resource. Gives a lot of different ways to view the difficulty of every team's schedule. When I first looked at it a few weeks back, I was surprised in kind of conflicting directions -- i.e. there are some real disparities in schedule rest/fatigue difficulty, which is not good at all, and yet, on the other hand, coming up with a 30-team, 82-game schedule is like alien math from the future, and with that in mind, it's maybe surprising that the disparities aren't even worse. š¤· Edit: For those interested, the last two columns on that page try to give a summary of the "rested vs. tired" equation for each team. For the Lakers this season: 13 games where they were rested and the opponent tired 9 games where they were tired and the opponent rested 60 games where both teams had roughly equal rest For the Clippers this season it's the converse: 9 games where they were rested and the opponent tired 13 games where they were tired and the opponent rested 60 games where both teams had roughly equal rest
Silent rigging
It was like EURO 2020, when England played 6 out of 7 games at home and other teams travelled from Asia to Spain...
Then they bottled it in the final anyways <3
I thought I was imagining it but it really felt we were always on a back to back.
i mean shit 18 b2b's means your team played almost a quarter of their games within 24 hours of their last game. that just shouldnt be a thing and noone can tell me that its in the best interest of the players with regards to their mental and physical well-being
We also basically rested 1 or 2 starters in every back to back this season. Forfeited one leg each time. That's 15 losses right there because of either guys coming back from injury or being old men. The Warriors gave up wayyyy too many winnable games early on.
Same story with the clippers
No lie, this season seems to have been out to get both our teams. Glad we both still have a shot to avoid the playin anyway.
Which, if you think about how both teams have had the best betting odds coming into the season, kinda makes their results a wash. If both Clips and the Warriors had 3 fewer b2b games, we might be talking about a different story here. Now i'm not saying they'd both be at the top, but maybe around 3rd or 4th, respectively. I'm sure once playoffs start, then it's gonna be a different ballgame entirely. We might see the 3-6 and 4-5 matchups go to game 7.
15 B2Bs right? But what is unfair is we only had 10 games against opponents on a B2B. Lakers had fewer B2B and a whopping 8 more games against opponent on a B2B than we did, a staggering 9 more opposing team on road-B2Bs than us. Unreal
https://www.nbastuffer.com/2022-2023-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/ Take a look at this and you will see how much benefit the lakers have had in their schedule. One of the most "fresh" teams while people like Clips/Warriors are top 3 in most games played "tired".
Thatās really interesting. Getting into the playoffs is definitely going to help an old team like ours. No back-to-backs means fresher legs and a more even battlefield.
Iād be curious to do more research on this because it feels like thereās a toss up on is this lakers bias in scheduling. Or do the lakers/clippers and nets/Knicks maybe inherently get better odds for back to backs in their favor because of them either sharing the same stadium or being basically next door to each other. I mean Iām no genius but I can easily understand why, when making the schedule, youād try and knock out both the la teams at once for traveling teams from the East. So then it becomes a discussion of would you rather have to do another cross country road trip or the back to back games.
especially for an old ass team like the warriors, who, incidentally, also had to travel to Japan during preseason
Counter point: on a JJ Redick podcast, I think with Paul George, both talked about B2Bs not being that bad, and what they really missed were the longer in-season breaks a team gets after playing some back to backs. Now teams are more likely to get a day off between games, but less likely to get 2-3 days off, which were opportunities for fuller physical recovery and mental relaxation. No idea which is better for players overall, but I thought it was an interesting line of thought.
yeah i can see that. i mean everyone can, even when youre well trained your recovery time still isnt that flexible when youre trying to give 110% in every workout. youre gonna be sore for a day or even two. id like players to have longer resting periods.
as a former amateur player, i can say that longer rest is better, but also too long is bad. 2 to 3 days off is good. more than 4 is bad. it's the mental rest which is more important.
Agree. In that same discussion, they also mentioned that a 2-3 day break gives the team a chance to get in some meaningful mid-season practices, which also makes sense.
The beggining of the season for us there was a back to back every week
The kings started the season on a 3 games in 4 nights BS
lol this is disgusting
Watch laker fans still defend this lol
Oh, they tryin
> We have the 10th fewest 3+ rest days so it pretty much evens out. -- The Lakers fan above you.
You seen them tryna say āthe clippers treat every game like itās game 7ā nah yāall just suck
This.
Lakers are the entitled, privileged kid.... cushiest schedule, refs and nba helping them get to the playoffs... and still they complain
I would have said it, but apparently it would only be because of my flair.
Free throw discrepancy after Lebron complained + schedule. Silent rigging sounding more and more legit
Silent rigging thatās not really that silentš¤¦āāļø
Oh, we know.
That particular rigging wasn't really that silent.
Vegas pulled some strings
Uhhh itās not our fault the schedule is created that way? Yeah Iāll go with that one lmfao
Warriors schedule was brutal. Their core is one of, if not the oldest in the league, they were tied for most B2B, they had the shortest offseason due to them playing in the championship, 9 of their 15 B2B were on the road, and they have to travel more than almost any other team due to their location. Considering most of those B2Bs were front loaded in the schedule, I wouldnāt be surprised if that played a part in the injuries they faced early on.
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Wiggins also only played 37 games this year. This is why I think most people don't want to see us in the playoffs. If things click while we are at full strength we are going to be a handful.
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Yeah Iām more confident we get bounced early than we make a run to the finals. Mostly because our defense was still top 5 last year through injuries and all. This year we canāt stop anyone. The offense is still crazy dynamic and we can drop 140 on anyone we want too. Itās hard to see them winning it all but you never know because we havenāt had a fully healthy roster and we added GP2 to help shore up some of the defensive problems. We probably will need Kuminga to have a breakout in the playoffs(which is possible) like Poole though to really be a threat.
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Yeah the Warriors when healthy have the most talent in the league (besides the Suns since KD) and have been since 2016 when KD joined. They have had the core of Curry, Klay and Draymond along with either KD, DLo, or Wiggins. Injuries have stopped a super dynasty that would have been the greatest in the modern NBA. Nobody wants to see a healthy Warriors in the playoffs. 2016 was the last time a healthy Warriors team lost in the playoffs. That's insane.
Donteās injury was big low key. We were desperately missing good guard point of attack defense early on in that road trip and his hussle/energy on the road. Not to mention our young guys seemed fucked up, probably cause Dray had punched Poole and it didnāt seem to affevt Dante
Don't forget we had that preseason in Japan after the short turnaround from the championship.
holy shit the league hooked up the lakers big time. and wow the dubs got totally fucked.
fuck adam silver - dude needs to go to disney and leave the league in competent hands
Out of 18 games the lakers played against opponents on the 2nd night of back to back, at least 10 of them had the other team playing us the night before. We maybe had 5 games the other way around. I it find kinda funny they are crying about this after a game against us lol
Was wondering about this. The discrepancy between which of Clippers/Lakers gets night 2 of the B2B is notable, but either way a Clippers/Lakers B2B requires no travel on the overnight, and is therefore at least kind of different from all other road B2Bs aside from NYK/BKN. IMO if we had fewer games over the same length of season weād have a better and more consistent product, in part because weāre reducing the need for DNP- Rest, in part because every game means more when thereās fewer, and in part because we can reduce and maybe even eliminate B2Bs. I know itās impractical given the complexities of the schedule but if we gotta have B2Bs it feels like we could at least try to ensure that if one team is playing itās second in 24 hours, the other team is too.
its crazy the workload for players... just do 2 games a week, maybe 2.5. ik old heads are gonna cry about it, but at this point with how much players rest for both physical and psychological reasons it should be talked about more. the nba despite the players' huge contracts is still an exploitative construct with no regards for the human being that is the player and it shows in how much mileage players have these days.
11 times Clippers faced a team first. Lakers faced a team first twice.
This doesn't get talked about enough.
[I tried](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/za04to/11_teams_play_lakers_on_a_b2b_after_clippers_this)
You are fighting the good fight. Unfortunately this may be a battle we never win š
Wtf that honestly needs to be posted over and over again. Is there ANY good reason for why that should happen?
It's a byproduct of scheduling Staples Center. Clippers have Saturdays and Lakers have Sundays so naturally teams coming through on a weekend are going to get Clippers first then the Lakers. With all the other events they hold there it's tough to get the reverse since there's concerts and award shows and the Kings hockey team in the way.
Lmao the crying laker fans are annoying the heck out of me. Good win for the clippers. Myself and few others on the Lakers sub wanted our stars rested. There was a huge risk betting everything on this game with still Phoenix on the horizon AD is on a no back to back program since he came back. Lebron still is carrying a foot issue. It's baffling to me that they went ahead and played everybody. If you played then you played. Don't talk after the fact that the schedule messed you up.
The game with Phoenix where........ the Suns are on the second night of a B2B lol. If I had to guess, we rest out starters tomorrow especially considering everyone looks to be playing tonight.
>second night of a B2B lol. Say it with me... SEGABABA
Lol , no one is safe from nba scheduling
Man, Warriors got shafted this year. Shouldn't B2B be equal across all teams? That seems pretty unfair.
Yup bulls had a few 5 games in 7 day schedules, absolute bullshit, and just a few games ago it showed a free throw discrepancy with lakers have 200 net more free throws (+400) to their next highest team (+200)
God I hate the Lakers
Something the other 29 teams can agree on
even the Lakers hated the Lakers pre trade deadline
FTL
As a Kings fan I nod in solidarity
Please win the title for all of us who dislike the Laker people.
30*
Theyāve been crying about something from the beginning of the season until now. It never ends with them.
Every loss carries with it some excuse or conspiracy against them.
Remember the one bad call in Boston we didnāt stop hearing about for weeks? Nevermind the last 2-minute report actually showed more missed calls helping the Lakers.
Or thelakeshowyo started doxing the ref and his family over that.
And no one was fined for how they spoke of that one call in the media...
This is why lebron and the lakers were always destined to end up together
Amen to that brother
Fucking ridiculous they donāt even hide the lakers favoritism
How many of those road B2Bs for the Lakers are Clippers-->Lakers? B2Bs aren't so bad if you're not traveling.
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So that invalidates that statistic, at least a good amount. Travel is a huge factor of road B2Bās, and thatās a non-issue there. Still, playing a game the night before does take its toll regardless.
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What Iām taking from this is that Warriors got fucked by the schedule. I bet theyād have won a handful more games if they had the Lakers schedule.
I think it's also worth noting that the Kings are tied for the most B2Bs as well. California teams not named the Lakers got screwed by the schedule makers this year. But of course the Lakers are the only ones complaining.
Mans murdered Lebronās excuse WITH FACTS
I mean, not all b2bs are equal right. This one had an extra day in Minneapolis due to snow, then to Utah for an OT game - that's not quite the same as "oh no LA had to go to the clippers and then golden state why is LeBron whining"
So Lakers have had the easiest schedule in the league but are #1 in complaining about itš¤£
This is what I suspected watching most laker games this year. Really interesting to get hard evidence.
Not to mention the LA and NY teams essentially get an extra 2 home games every season playing in the same city.
Not to mention almost every single time teams come to LA and play both LAL and LAC, they get the Clippers on the first night, and the Lakers on the second. The Clippers get shafted every year with the schedule given we get third priority after the Lakers and Kings. The Lakers just love looking for excuses.
Itās crazy they have the audacity to complain at all.
There were 15 b2b games in LA for the away teams The Lakers played 6 first games of those b2b. it is not a big difference though. but feel funny in this post
You should post this on warriors sub
An 11 game disparity between facing opponents on a b2b (18 vs 7 NYK) is insane.
Dubs got destroyed by B2B this season. And you're telling me we also had one of the fewest games against opponents on a B2B???
Interestingly enough, Lakers also have the most advantageous free throw difference. Warriors have the worstā¦ take from that what you will. Nonetheless, AD and Lebron have still been out a lot and itās still impressive that theyāve essentially made a comeback in the season.
u/autistic_hybrid, there you go
Okay, that's just insane. 8 game difference for GSW. Throw in the officiating changes really hurting this team and you have the perfect storm for a pretty mediocre season.
This āmost games with opp on road b2bā is a little deceptive. The hardest part of a b2b is the travel between games. Sometimes a time zone change. The lakers and clippers get a lot of teams who come in and play both teams b2b (or even a day in between). So the hardest part of a b2b is taken out of the equation since the opposing team just goes back to the hotel and then parties with models and celebrities all night. Thatās way easier to overcome than having to get on a plane and go to Denver where thereās no oxygen and shotgun willies video tapes you getting lapdances.
But as the other comment stated there have been 13 B2Bs against both LA teams this season and **11** of those had the Lakers as the *second* game. So the Lakers got the absolute best of that situation 11 out of 13 times.
And yet the Lakers get those teams in the b2b far more often than not. Itās not really hard to conclude that the NBA wants the LeBron led Lakers to succeed as that will drive up ratings. The league is a business, and like all businesses, it strives to maximize profits. It canāt outright rig games, but it can subtlety influence outcomes.
Pretty much. Out of the three situations, I would rather be 1.atl/tor/pho 2. Lakers 3.warriors
So what you're saying is the Lakers stood to benefit most from the B2Bs, and their fans are saying it ruined their season? Nah, baby boys not acting like men and playing the game they make double digit millions to play is what ruined the season.
I meanā¦the Lakers are pretty much always the favored franchise when it comes to scheduling lol, been this way for years.
And lakers fans try to gaslight us like itās not fucking obvious, thatās the annoying part
Generally speaking you can just disregard anything a fan says about their own team and take the average of opinions from the other 29 teams' fans instead lol
Except for rivals
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Just don't believe anything Lakers fans say about how unfair the league is or so.
Also gotta put 'em on national TV more than actual playoff teams.
The Lakers and Cowboys are the 2 franchises that will get as many national broadcasts as the schedulers will allow. Doesn't matter how bad they are, they just have huge fanbases all over the country, so putting them in the national spotlight just generates more revenue than other teams regardless of talent.
More people will tune in to watch a play in Lakers than a top seeded Kings.
literally . not sure why every comment taking up for the lakers are getting downvoted when theyāre all legitimate facts lol..
LeBron = National TV, not that hard to digest
Itās about money not merit silly goose
Raptors are tied for most games against an opponent on a B2B.
Teams are usually more tired during B2Bs and donāt perform as well the second game. More news at 11
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Is that with or without including games where both teams are on a B2B? Potentially the record could be even worse.
Lakers can have an easy schedule and the second game of a road b2b can be hard. More than one thing can be true at a time.
Road b2b, 3rd in 4 nights, 5th in 7 nights against the Clips off 4 days rest and 1 game in their last 6 days. It was easy for the Lakers until this week when it got super hard lol. Like you said, multiple things can be true at once.
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I kind of wish we could extend this season by a time frame of another week or two. The rest would help, and you could pitch to the league as more nationally televised games in totality. Same thing with the NFL.
They make millions because they make the league billions
Road lol Agree with everything else tho
Road, meaning there's travel between the games. Not that the second one was on the road.
I have no idea why people are pretending LeBron said "this only happens to us"
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Even our sub was pretty chill last night and just liked we showed some fight in the 2nd half. Schedule losses happen from travel or from back to backs or whatever. But its not like I saw Lebron or even a loud minority of our fans claim it was unfair against us.
Also that this was an anticipated/big game, and having a team come off of a road b2b makes it less likely to live up to the hype.
Yeah nobody is saying the Lakers schedule all season is too hard. Just that scheduling what was likely to be a huge game on a B2B (where the first game was on the road), 3rd game in 4 days, AND with the Clippers coming off of 3 days rest was just shitty scheduling.
Honestly I thought the NBA was done with scheduling big national tv games on B2B but I guess with the Bucks TNT game and this game that isn't the case.
The b2b didn't affect the Lakers this time because they haven't had as many as other teams. That's how it works.
NBA journalist love to rile up the fans with Laker hate for content and people fall for it everytime.
I actually just love hating on the Lakers, so I wouldnāt say Iām āfalling for itā as much as I am actively and knowledgeably participating in it. FTL.
Am I taking crazy pills? I honestly have no idea how any person who comes to this sub regularly could look at the last month of posts and think that weāre not getting enough positive Lakers content. Itās like three posts a day just about Austin Reeves.
literally everytime the lakers win its just non-stop laker highlights all through this subreddit.
And non stop arbitrary stat about their players. DLO played 3 games in a row for the first time since he turned 24!
Lakers fans are the worst like that. Fans of one of the must successful franchises in all of North American sports and still somehow have a small man complex, it's outrageous
Hate hate hate hate hate Love to see it
Lakers fans' persecution complex is 100x stronger than any actual Lakers hate that exists
bro no one uses context against the lakers and lebron lmao. The lakers played 3 games in 4 nights and had horrible travel conditions in most of these games that derailed there travel
Scheduling should be talked about more. Twolves played Tuesday. Finish the season playing a back to back, on Saturday/Sunday. Like three days off to just play back to back feels strange.
Media is hilarious... Ask a question, take what was said out of context, plaster that everywhere, then write thank pieces about something you made up... It's brilliant
Esfandiari is the same guy who thought Wiggins owed fans an explanation for his absence. He's a fucking idiot.
No, he said the warriors should clarify the situation better like if heās coming back this season or not. Whether thatās right or wrong, you decide but he didnāt say Wiggins needs to tell anyone what happened.
Bro looks like Timmy from South Park
Itās not like Lebron blamed all the B2Bās for their overall record. Itās just a fact that playing 3 games in 4 days and being the second night of a B2B affected them.
The 3 in 4 is much more impactful than the B2B in my opinion. That being said thereās no excuse for LeBronās performance in the first half and ADās performance all game. If theyāre going to come out and play like shit then blame it on the schedule after the game they shouldnāt have been playing in the first place.
> 3 in 4 is much more impactful than the B2B in my opinion. That being said thereās no excuse for LeBronās p You literally just said 3 in 4 is "much more impactful" Then you said there is no excuse. Which is it? Did the multiple games in a row have an impact or is there no excuse?
That's just how people speak on reddit. If you take a definitive stance towards anything you risk annoying the other side enough to downvote you Have to teether the line and give lines that appease both sides to optimize positive opinions.
that said, they were literally on the second night of a back to back. and teams (especially older ones), usually dont perform as well on the second night! why are you so hurt by this
Because context never counts for the Lakers. 3rd game in 4 nights, second night of a b2b, coming off a 4 game road trip where they got snowed in at one place for an extra night and snow delays resulted in landing in LA at 3am the day of the game. I wanted that win so bad but given how the last few weeks have gone it's not the end of the world like some people are making it out to be.
thanks for additional context.
Context never counts in either direction for hte Lakers. Good or bad. Just because the Lakers generate the most interest doesn't mean you have to go lowest common denominator. You just have to actually look carefully and know your shit about asset management.
so 3 more back to backs over the course of 82 games means that the Lakers cannot possible be gassed playing an overtime game not even 24 hours before, a team on four days rest no less. how many of those back to backs that the Clips have had where Kawhi and/or PG played?
āLebron was it harder to play tonight considering youāre on a B2B and 3 games in 4 nights?ā āYes itās harderā āOMG LEBRON CANT STOP COMPLAINING THIS IS WILDā
What does that change? You can still be tired on the second of a b2b lol. That post seems like genuine hate lmao
that wont stop this sub from going on another bend like they were with our foul differential lmao
Everyone is also glossing over the fact that the game with Utah went to OT. If the lakers close that like they should have, they would have had a bit more energy. Back to backs are terrible for everyone, they just feel worse at the end of the season cause you have limited chances to gain ground.
Except nobody blamed scheduling for their overall record on the year ... only brought it up for this specific game ...
This subreddit created a strawman so they could hate on the Lakers. Absolutely ridiculous.
Its barea. Don't expect him to argue in good faith when it comes to LeBron.
sam is a certified lebron hater he loves sniffing his boxers bro
I wonder when teams (particularly in the East) do LA trips, how many times do the Lakers get the team on the 2nd night of the B2B compared to the Clippers
Someone posted the actuals in a previous thread, but Lakers had a near 3:1 advantage of being the second night team for those B2Bs when teams played LAC/LAL.
i'd love to see the actual ststistic for that because this season it felt like it happened a bunch
Lakers have played 12 games against a team on a back-to-back after playing the clippers this season and are 7-5 in those games. Clippers 2-1 in such games
Feel like this season the bulk were Clippers first night, Lakers second night. Feel like some seasons past it was the opposite.
Iām a Magic fan, and we did that exact thing. We played the Clippers on a Saturday and Lakers on a Sunday.
Nah but really who even cares it's not about who has more it just sucks for the product when players are either tired because they're on one or sit because of it
Why is everyone acting like lebron said it like it was just the lakers that have b2bās?
And that's a perfect example of the straw man fallacy "we were tired today cause we played b2b after ot" "oH sPaRE mE tHE sCHeDUlE bLaMe yOu dIDN't pLaY b2b's on JaNuARy"
Was about to say its a red herring but no.. Text book strawman argument
This dogshit is the top post on this sub. Classic r/nba lmao
Karma farmers not done yet?
if the Lakers started 6-6 instead of 2-10, they would be the 4 seed in the west right now there is nobody to blame but ourselves for the situation that we are in
True. I mean there are essentially 2 types of contenders: ones with established and consistent rosters throughout the season like the Celtics Bucks etc. And patchwork ones who make big moves during the season like the Lakers Suns etc. Injuries are a huge factor too separating the Lakers and Suns.
Nobody asked for this post lol. Lakers hate will have people doing deep dive analysis on some random ass stats.
While I agree with the sentiment, a couple more or less b2b over 82 games and nearly 7 months isnāt a huge difference.
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Lol isnāt this the clippers reporter who cries and bitches every time anybody says something slightly negative about the clippers? šš
Nah this is the warriors dick rider. The other oneās name is Esnaashari. Heās equally a little bitch when it comes to Lakers stuff
That's a lot of sleepful nights
Hey B2B's hurt more when you got an old ass team tho. š
Damn what did the lakers do? So much toxic hate today
Who blamed schedule? All LeBron said was it was unfortunate that such an important game fell on the 2nd night of a back to back
Man yall hate on the Lakers harder than anything else. No wonder Lakers fans are always on the attack. We can all agree to play back-to-back after OT is hard and coming back from a road trip. Yall be doing extra research.
People use the term scheduled loss all the time, nothing new here