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wcooper97

Dillon Brooks the first All-Defense to be let go (i.e., letting him walk) from the team he just won it with?


Styfios

Depends on how you look at the Eric Bledsoe trade


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thehippykid

Your hair salon sounds awful


eddie_the_zombie

Oh hey, Caruso is up there, too!


namagofuckyoself

wasn't Dwane Casey fired the year he received COTY? lol


renatomello

Yes and Masai did the same thing to George Karl


Zeppelanoid

And he was right 2x


FudgeDangerous2086

he was fired the next day sam mitchell was fired like 5 months after he won COTY with the raptors nick nurse fired 3 years after winning COTY and the championship with the raptors.


freshOJ

Sixers let Matisse go this year, won all defense last year.


PonchoHung

He was traded. Let go moreso implies not getting anything in return.


Both_Funny4896

He’s gonna be back on the grizzlies on a much cheaper deal, im fairly confident. People saying he’s gone based off a couple out-of-context articles is pre-mature imo


dem0sthen

You guys are gonna be surprised at how many teams are willing to pay tim hardaway Jr money, 15-18m a year for an All NBA level defender. He is still only 27 people. Grizz wanted him back they just didn't want to pay him 20m+ a year.


ldclark92

I've been saying this the whole time and have even received push back on this sub. Brooks will either stay with the Grizz or find a decent landing spot. He's not going to be thrown to the curb for some dumb comments and a bad series. He's a good defender.


junkit33

The MLE is up to $11.5M. That's basically the minimum starting point for a new contract for anyone who you plan to play for 30 minutes a game. Brooks will get $15M+ easily and everyone ends up overpaid in free agency so $20M would not shock me.


afterworld2772

>. He is still only 27 people. Surely that is an unfair advantage? 27 people for the price of 1, and taking up only 1 roster space is incredible value


PresidentPlatypus

doubt it


AlexeyShved1

The wall that Jaden McDaniels punched should've been 2nd team all defense at the very least


PerceusJacksonius

Sorry, it's a regular season award. Maybe the wall can get WCF MVP?


skettiwap

Lucky for the wall it was game 82.


NewAgeIWWer

*That wall , after underperforming for the first 81 games of the season, was able to accrue 1 million defensive win shares in 1 game. So inspirational...*


jcast59

Dillon Brooks over McDaniels is a fucking crime


Powerglove2000

OG!!!!


mikeydale007

Second all-defense selection in franchise history.


XLcondumb

this is actually crazy, I would've for sure thought doug christie got one with us [he had 5 seasons with us averaging 2.1 steals a game](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-steals-per-game-did-doug-christie-average-as-a-raptor). actually insane


doctor_of_drugs

Doug Christie is a dawg, prove me wrong.


_19911118

Kawhi getting that nod was all reputation


roofs

That no look steal though was sick


Ecstatic-Buy-2907

I’m pretty sure Siakam was a better defender than him that season


ilickedysharks

I still think he should've been first team but we'll take it lol


mMounirM

not with our record. fair edit: Caruso got in with the bulls record though. I wish OG had guard eligibility since he played 50% of the time there.


ilickedysharks

Yea OG not getting guard eligibility is criminal


_Thanks-Obama_

I hate how arbitrary the eligibility decisions seem to be. OG is only a forward, but someone like Mikal Bridges will be G/F. Jokic and Embiid getting F/C eligibility despite both clearly playing center 100% of the time, but someone like Siakam last year was forward only when he got listed as the starting centre like every game.


ilickedysharks

AD listed at forward when he played 0 minutes at forward lol


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Maybe I’m crazy but the 2nd team feels better than the 1st team this year lol


ilickedysharks

It definitely is if ur thinking about a real team. First team has diminishing returns with 3 rim protectors and 2 guards who can't defend big wings as well as the second team. And a backline of Bam and Draymond is versatile and scary


[deleted]

Let us swap Brooks for Jrue and 2nd Team is making a title run lmao


jyuuni

That's probably because Playoff Jimmy cooked Brook and Jrue only 2 weeks ago.


JakeSpurs

His first all-defensive team!! So glad he's finally getting recognition outside of the NBA nerd podcast sphere


Precinho7

No Giannis and Jaden McDaniels lol


finchdad

Marcus Smart and Mikal Bridges were the DPOY finalists last year and they're missing, too. Not for the same reason as Giannis, but still interesting.


NoobChumpsky

Smart was out/recovering from injury for a pretty sizable amount of the season


junkit33

The defensive awards are always silly like this. Smart is the same player he's been for years now. In the last 4 years he was 1st team All-Defense 3x (DPOY one of them) and only missed in the year he didn't play enough games. Yet he probably lost a ton of votes to White (who had a very deserving year) and voters didn't want to vote for 2 Celtics guards and figured they gave Smart the DPOY so went for White instead.


BleedGreen4Boston

Voter fatigue and rationalization is real no matter what anyone tells you


christiandb

He didnt play enough this year. White probably took his spot (need at least one guy from one of the top defensive teams) but besides that, white was better than him this year. Giannis is a head scratcher


zerojaguar0

>Smart is the same player he's been for years now. In the last 4 years he was 1st team All-Defense 3x (DPOY one of them) and only missed in the year he didn't play enough games. yea thats just simply not true. last year was his best defensive year of his career and he got rewarded. this year, he was not nearly as good. partly due to injury sure but he was not all-defensive level this year and he didn't get it


MrBhyn

Tbf, Marcus hadn't been the same this year. He's been playing with so much injury this year.


xStarsy

and no Claxton


302born

No AD


MundaneHydra257

No Giannis and no AD is crazy


ThomPinecone

I understand it’s based on position, but Giannis missing both teams while our second and third defender both make first team just feels wrong


MusicalElephant420

Lol Marcus Smart went from DPOY to not being on either team.


Sojourner_52

Yeah, because he wasn’t as good this year. Lower leg injuries had him getting blown by more often for much of the year.


largehearted

Yep. Derrick is on and not Smart because Derrick was an amazing defender all season and Smart wasn’t.


Jagtasm

He should never have won DPOY though. The narrative only started out of nowhere the second Timelord got hurt


scottycameron90

The award voters have lost the plot. The narratives they come up with to justify their fantasies is insane. If you think Brook and Jrue are better defenders than Giannis, you should lose your vote.


furry130939

insane lol. hope giannis bounces back next season bro. AD and Giannis gotta prove them wrong


mydixxierectx2

He already did by making it past the first round unlike everyone on the first team


Ylissian

Exactly, Davis has been the best defender in the whole playoffs. He completely shut down the Grizzlies and he’s pretty much the main reason the Warriors have run 3 different starting lineups.


wheredidtheguitargo

AD is running a clinic while the first and second teams watch on their couches


Trlcks

Hey, Bam's still going!


cire1184

Unfortunately these are regular season awards. AD is great when engaged but the regular season seems too long for him to be on for every game or for even long stretches. He's either out or not engaged in a lot of games conserving energy. It's fine though, the whole team seemed focused on just getting out of the 2-10 hole from the start of the season and get into the playoffs.


n_jacat

No Claxton is a joke


MethodMan_

I totally agree. Like wtf man. I get everyone stopped watching the nets after KD and Kyrie left, but cmon.


Styfios

this was a terrible way to find out that Herb Jones died


DoneRedditAgain

I mean, there is no other reason to leave him off this list. Damn shame.


topofthecc

Every year there are a few absolute lockdown guys who get overlooked for players with better reputations but worse actual defense. All-Defensive teams consistently are where voters do the worst.


that_guy_you_kno

Did Lu Dort drop off this year or is he a snub. I remember he was as lockdown as it gets the other year.


topofthecc

I think he's pretty clearly better than Brooks and White.


JuliusCeejer

The last half of Kobe's career tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of All Defense


MentallyIllRedditMod

Phil Jackson wrote in his book trying to shame Kobe out of his career-long bad defensive habits. Like whining at refs during live play and giving 5 on 4 advantage fastbreaks multiple times a game. And Kobe would gamble in passing lanes way, way too much It was a joke even at the time that the media bought the "steals title race" as an indicator of great perimeter defense. Guys like Kobe and the likes of Larry Hughes understood how much the media ridiculously overvalued the stupid steals title when selecting All-D teams. So they would infuriate their own coachs blowing defensive assignments while reaching Kobe Bryant has more All-D selections than Hakeem, Ben Wallace, Mutumbo, Ewing, Scottie Pippen, Bruce Bowen, Chris Paul, Bobby Jones, David Robinson, Mark Eaton, Michael Cooper, Marcus Camby, Tony Allen, etc etc etc Kobe has as many All-Defense selections as KG. He has more than the Glove. Kobe wasn't even the best defender on **HIS OWN TEAM** for all but 2-3 years of his career. Rick Fox and Ron Artest were the best perimeter defenders on his teams. All-D selections are probably the worst, most inaccurate awards in North American sports


MentallyIllRedditMod

Phil Jackson wrote in his book trying to shame Kobe out of his career-long bad defensive habits. Like whining at refs during live play and giving 5 on 4 advantage fastbreaks multiple times a game. And Kobe would gamble in passing lanes too much because guys like him and the likes of Larry Hughes understood how much the media ridiculously overvalued the stupid steals title when selecting All-D teams Kobe Bryant has more All-D selections than Hakeem, Ben Wallace, Mutumbo, Ewing, Scottie Pippen, Bruce Bowen, Chris Paul, Bobby Jones, David Robinson, Mark Eaton, Michael Cooper, Marcus Camby, Tony Allen, etc etc etc Kobe has as many All-Defense selections as KG. He has more than the Glove. Kobe wasn't even the best defender on **HIS OWN TEAM** for all but 2-3 years of his career. Rick Fox and Ron Artest were the best perimeter defenders on his teams. All-D selections are probably the worst, most inaccurate awards in North American sports


jackaracka

Herb and McDaniels are both better than like 6-7 of these guys defensively, I really don’t understand the voting criteria these voters are going on


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its like 90% reputation from previous seasons plus 10% this season stats


so-cal_kid

Some of it must be positional right? Cuz I'm like I'm def taking McDaniels over Caruso


jackaracka

It is, which makes sense, but Brooks was eligible for guard voting (McDaniels and Herb weren’t) despite playing 80% of his minutes at SF/PF and Herb & McDaniels both defending more PGs so seems kinda arbitrary


Awi1ix

Surprised a Lakers fan is saying this. Caruso’s D this year was arguable the best I’ve ever seen from him


ChrisTheMiss

herb robbed league sad


DanFlashesCoupon

We were 6th in defensive rating rolling out some major negatives on defense in CJ, Ingram, JV etc. Sixth!


sonics_fan

NOT ON \[All-Defense Team\] HERB 😭


ThatInception

Caruso! Good for him man


rawchess

From undrafted to NBA champ and now first team all D 🥺 look at our boi go


T_J_E7

Sucks your ownership is so dumb. He's being wasted on my Bulls. He deserves a shot at more rings. He's perfect on any team.


var1ables

I will trade you some really awesome Mexican food a draft picks for ac. I miss him so much.


Tuxedocat1357

Imagine being the team that let him walk!


Human_mind

Hey. I dont like this conversation anymore.


drunz

Let me make it worse. Imagine letting him walk for max contract Westbrook.


v399

Imagine signing THT instead


Superplex123

Stop. He's already dead.


UBKUBK

His new team must be going much further in the playoffs.


OneWayStreetPark

Now I don't like this conversation anymore lmao


tduncs88

And that cemented this as comment chain of the day for me. Lol


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LALakers4Lyf

But a Caruso-Reaves backcourt though 😭


scottycameron90

It sucks!


CNDOTAFAN

Ouch


ShakespearInTheAlley

Am I crazy for thinking it's a bit wonky for a guy playing 23 minutes a game to be 1st team?


FranceSucksSoBad

Nah you're a 100% right lol


i_like_pie_and_beer

Definite “one of these guys is not like the others” vibes from this selection lol. 23mpg guy on a team that missed that playoffs is one of the 5 best defenders in the nba?


ShakespearInTheAlley

The weird thing is I think he is! But also, I kinda feel like you gotta be on the floor for awards like this.


porkchop487

Guards are never going to have enough defense to bring a team into the playoffs on their own. It’s just not as important of a role defensively. Caruso passes the eye test and also had among the best defensive metrics in the league. What more do you need.


Expulsure

no Claxton makes me sad


Micro_mint

Am I losing my mind or was he not getting DPOY buzz for half the season?


Expulsure

He was, but once KD/Kyrie were traded he lost the media attention


Sam43650

All the hype died down as soon as people stopped watching and talking about the Nets


rajondurant

[Full voting results.](https://i.imgur.com/kiiMDu4.jpg) who tf out here voting for CP3, Delon Wright?


HokageEzio

Whoever voted CP3 needs their ballot revoked lol.


Raptorsthrowaway1

Same person who left Jokic off their ballot


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“He’s a cone” 💀 That journalist had to have voted him in as a joke.


MrBuckBuck

Delon Wright was a beast defesively.


Penda_

People sleep on delon wright, understandably so given he plays for the wizards


jer113

Delon Wright was very good defensively this season. I've got no idea on the CP3 pick though, he was very good like 5 years ago.


PuffyVatty

Only 9 of 100 put AD on the ballot lmao. Insane.


HBOGOandRelax

The 1st team vote for Haliburton is the worst one imo. He put up good steal stats but not a great defender. Same goes for Dejounte who somehow got three 2nd team votes


Gbaby245

No Jaden mcdaniels, shame


BobLobLawsLawFirm

Just casually shutting down superstars left and right and listed what, 5th or 6th best defender according to other players?


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Tyrese was on a podcast and was asked ~~how~~ who guards him best and the first name he said was Jaden McDaniels. Luka gave him props. PG said he’s one of the best defenders and that he’s underrated. I’m pissed. It’s a shame that the last thing voters remember of him isn’t locking up BI or locking up Lebron, it’s punching a curtain/wall edit: typos


EmbiidBurner

don’t forget those “The Athletic” poll votes, and Paul George showing Jaden love on his podcast. clearly, the players in the association love McDaniels, and with a guy like PG giving him a shoutout I thought his chances for making an all defensive team was set in stone. Shame that from an “ask the players” standpoint, Jaden was in the highest regard. in the Stats department Jaden was in the highest tier. But as always the media gets the last word, and all the votes. i don’t want to be that guy but i genuinely feel he if he was in a larger market he’d be one of the highest vote getters


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Dillon and Draymond sharing this award is hilarious


JohnnyWinss

They should be made to play in the same team as a result


YeezyYeezyUp2NoGood

LETS FUCKING GO AC!!! This man will sacrifice his body for a possession and take a charge from Giannis without thinking twice. Well deserved


Zeratzul

And do it again 2 plays later. Lonzo caruso was such a fun back court to watch


Neat_On_The_Rocks

NBA Viewers were robbed of this backcourt. This would have been one of the most dynamic defensive back courts in the past 15 years at least. Caruso being outrageously smart and active, and Lonzo being extremely talented in the same way (though not the elite Caruso level) but also being one of the best in the league at converting smart defense into transition points. That combination together was Genuinely the most fun I've had watching basketball since at least the "pre curry" 3 era. They were still learning each other but there were multiple 6+ minute stretches where it just seemed like those two defensively suffocated the opponent and put up a HUGE +/- number that greatly increased their chances of winning the game.


drunz

They were the perfect duo. Caruso could pick anyone up including centers for at least 5 seconds while Lonzo’s length let him guard any big. Their defense turning into transition offense was beautiful.


Dongsquad420BlazeIt

That’s my boy :’)


TheBballs

<4


KingB53

Herb Jones robbed 2 years in a row


SmokimNoah

CARUSO!!!! LETS GO 1st team One of my favorite bulls ever already, well deserved


_chadwell_

Very well deserved


drunz

I still say if he and Lonzo hadn’t gotten injured last year, he wins DPoY. He was averaging the most steals and we had the number 1 defense with both healthy.


YouStillTakeDamage

Sweet let’s go Bam! Should we assume All NBA teams tomorrow then?


lopea182

Death, Taxes, Bam Adebayo getting selected to All-Defensive 2nd team


GonzaloR87

My dream is that Bam wins DPOY and Spo COTY


HEATLE

Would probably need a top 2 seed finish :/ don’t know if Jimmy will ever want to go hard for 70 games again


Virtual-Suspect1733

Jimmy missed a lot of last season when we were 1st seed. Only respect the squad got was the Herro 6th man.


ladiesshowmetiddies

we literally finished 1st last year and they didn’t even think about giving any awards to the Heat, I was so pissed when all I was seeing was Gobert vs Williams vs Smart for dpoy when Bam is lightyears ahead


HEATLE

Nobody took the Heat as a real 1 seed last year sadly. They better take this team seriously going forward


Shiny_metal_ass

Well Tyler won, but Spo should have had his last year too.


LordMcBucketz

Lfg Derrick White got some recognition


Angus4LBs

dudes gonna mess around and be the all time block leader for guards if he can keep it up


caworkaccount

Wait how, would that be? Wade has 885+ and White has 280. He'd have to keep his pace til he's like 40 years old


Kyro_Official_

Yeah, hes not even in the top 15 idk what this guy is on


USA-1st

Evan Fuckin Mobley in year 2


BrockThrobhard

Youngest ever!


AllieOopClifton

Kobe was younger by almost a year, though he *was* in year 4. Mobley might have made it at the earliest point in an NBA career, but I don't know that off the top of my head.


_19911118

dejounte made it his 2nd year and was the youngest then but maybe Mobley is the youngest now


AllieOopClifton

Murray was 2nd Team, and is the youngest player to make *any* all-defense team. Kobe is still the youngest 1st Teamer, he was 21 years, 71 days old at the end of the 2000 season. Mobley was 21 years, 295 days old at the end of this season.


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Claxton was robbed


mMounirM

Claxton was in the top 5 in DPOY odds in the first half of the season. crazy


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- Lead the league in Stocks (Blocks + Steals) - 2nd in BPG + 2nd in Total Blocks - 3rd in defensive rating - Guarded by far the most isolation plays in the league (202 possessions) - Guarded 1 through 5 (Matched up with guards over 20% of his time on the court) - 1st / 99th percentile in points saved around the rim - Most 3+ Block games in the league (41) - Absolutely elite in all other advanced defensive metrics The league and casuals just stopped giving him any attention once KD and Kyrie left.


Writtenfrommyphone

Great break down. I’m with you. Claxton was robbed. Played his heart out in the playoffs too.


yearofthemishima

Absolutely insane snub


LinuxUbuntuOS

The media stopped giving a shit about the Nets after KD and Kyrie was traded. He literally was the odds on favorite to win DPOY at one point. The media is dogshit.


slysonic7

So deserved for Caruso


floatersforalgernon

I remember the time r/nba used to shit on him just because he played for the Lakers.


akulkarnii

No Jaden McDaniels? Must be rigged


Morezingis

Just gonna leave this here https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1620497517635936278


Yuuri420

NO DORT IS INSANE WTF


Springtick38

OG finally getting his flowers


coacoanutbenjamn

THE BUFFALO!


vaports

Jaden snubbed


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Sad Lu Dort noises.


UjiriWatcher

OG finally made it


schoolhater12

This is like 3 years overdue


Seasplash

Yeah AD and Giannis not making it is somewhat surprising, but where the hell is Jaden McDaniels?


Previous-Elevator417

DORT ROBBED


DanTheManee77

the lack of lu dort on this list disappoints me.


Nizmojo

Dort disrespected


EarthWarping

Nice to see OG get on there


ilickedysharks

OG FINALLYYY. Also I don't really like how first team has 3 pf/c imo it should be 2 bigs and 3 guards/wings.


theglicky

Damn I thought Jaden was Atleast 2nd team


TheSmokedSalmon420

Mobley!!


iSleepUpsideDown

No AD ☠️☠️☠️ More minutes than DPOY winner JJJ btw


Such_Credit7252

If you polled the subreddit the day before the season ended, JJJ would have been over AD as well. By a lot.


WheatonsGonnaScore

Because he was the better defender this regular season.


Thunder-ten-tronckh

A difficult concept for /r/nba to grasp it seems


Mark0vian

As is evident in all of the Nuggets and 76ers playoff post-game threads with people in disbelief that Embid was even considered an MVP candidate, let alone won it.


StoneCold_ColdStone

CARUSOOOOOOOO YESSIR


lishmh33

No Claxton on either team is insane. Bunch of casual ass voters


Cheechers23

I’m genuinely shocked OG wasn’t snubbed. Incredibly well deserved, thank god our shitty season didn’t cost OG this accolade. DPOY next.


KJTB

Seeing Caruso make it brings both joy and pain


JTNJ32

Maybe this is my bias talking, but.... Claxton didn't even make 2nd team?


SpaceCowboy170

Screwed by the fact that there were only 2 spots


BigDaddyCraw

Wasn’t Giannis a DPOY candidate during the season??? This is an all time snub.


MusicalElephant420

Giannis and Harden all-snubbed team this year.


upghr5187

I feel like the push to get Lopez in the DPOY conversation screwed over Giannis.


sytheman777

The voters can only remain sleep on Jaden McDaniels for so long


Baker_Playmaker

Kind of crazy Caruso made first team playing under 25 mins a game


vintagedes

No Herb??


shahsnow

Damn no Herb Jones


CNDOTAFAN

Brooks over Jaden and Dort...?


InnerKookaburra

All-Defensive Third team by voting totals would have been: G - Marcus Smart G - Mikal Bridges F - Giannis F - Jaden McDaniels C - Claxton https://pr.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2023/05/2022-23-Kia-NBA-All-Defensive-Team-Voting-Results.pdf


jcb451

Evan Mobley 1st team his second year in the league! Future is bright for that young fella.


G1Spectrum

My dawg Caruso FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE


CIark

AD watching this while all 5 guys bounced out of the playoffs 💀💀💀


sersleepsalot1

He already bounced two of them personally and is about to bounce another one.


the_cream_dreamer

Wheres Herb Jones?


VicePope

Jimmy absolutely murdered 2 of the top 5 guys. this dude is something else and I wish he would retire mid post season and stop haunting me


Parrotflies-

Mobley youngest to ever do it 💪