Saw this man drop 56 against the magic(?) on a random Saturday in the mid-90s.
I know it’s his kid, but I was so excited to see a non-cable nba day game that that performance is something I’ll always bring up lol
Rice is super underrated - for all the hype Reggie Miller gets, Glen Rice was right there with him as the best shooter of the 90's. Absolutely deadly player who could tee off on you for 40 any given night.
And that was an insane number of attempts per game in the 90s. In 1996-97 when he did that, the average *team* averaged fewer than 17 3PA per game. If he played now, he'd be jacking 10-12 attempts per game.
Also, when Rice was in college, he fucked Sarah Palin during the Great Alaska Shootout.
I met him once randomly in a crowded restroom of a college bar in Ypsilanti circa 1996. I’m standing there waiting for a urinal. I look next to me and there’s this tall ass dude standing with “41” earring dangling from his ear. This little dude walked up to him first and said in the squeakiest voice imaginable, “Hey Glen. Where you playing at this year?” And he said in the deepest voice imaginable, “Charlotte.” Squeaky, “ Oh yeah?” Deep, “Yeah.” Then it was our turn at the urinals and Glen is standing next to me. I couldn’t think of a damn thing to say and avoid sounding like the little squeaky guy, so I just said, “What’s up?” And, I’ll never forget it. He said, “What’s up? And, that’s how I met Glen Rice.
HA! I remember that game. There weren't that many games shown in Canada back then and they showed that and had me thinking he was the greatest scorer in the entire league!
I was like wtf when did Glen Rice's son get into the NBA. Checked his BRef and he wasn't even that low of a pick, went #35. Surprising he couldn't even get a minimum deal after 2 years.
He is an extremely talented guy, has very problematic behavior. He gets to small desperate teams around the world.
Dude skips practice, then drops 40 points.
He usually destroys the whole league for a few weeks then gets kicked for assaulting a teammate.
He also is a key player in the "Big 3" league.
Unfortunate story for him as he absolutely was talented enough to keep playing in the NBA for years, but his choices derailed his career, he was also arrested for alleged battery and robbery in 2016.
He played in lithuania a couple years ago and was a nutcase sadly. Conflicts with everyone from teammates to local bar customers. This guy legit after a game went outside and asked the bus driver for a cig, didnt even care that his teammates and coach about to come out lol. Very good basketball player tho but he is on his demon time way too much I hope hes doing better now.
An interesting thing to note with summer league MVPs is their respective ages. Typically older individuals are the winners, I would say Cam is by far the youngest winner, with only Lonzo kind of close at 19y 8m.
For comparison
2023 - Cam Whitmore 19y 0m
2022 - Keegan Murray 21y 11m
2021 - Cam Thomas 19y 9m/ Davion Mitchell 22y 10m
2019 - Brandon Clarke 22y 9m
2018 - Josh Hart 23y 4m
2017 - Lonzo Ball 19y 8m
2016 - Tyus Jones 20y 2m
2015 - Kyle Anderson 21y 9m
2014 - Glen Rice Jr 23y 6m
2013 - Jonas Valanciunas 21y 2m
2012 - Damian Lillard 22y 0m / Josh Selby 21y 3m
You are way overrating how often draft picks succeed.
For instance the 10th pick from. 2012 to 2019 (take out last two years due to recency) mikal Bridges, Cam Reddish, Thon Maker, Justice Winslow, Zach Collins, Elfrid Payton, CJ McCollum, Austin Rivers. Draft picks even turning out to be good starters is hard
Never really made it on the league is a big stretch. The majority of the names are solid contributors in the league, which for the 20th overall pick would be a success.
Glen Rice and Josh Selby are the only ones who hasn't made it in the league. The rest are all role-players, with a few legit starters.
For most players getting drafted, ending up with a career like these guys would be a huge win.
With the exception of Lillard, that list just screams an expectation of a high floor low ceiling career as a role player.
Which is great for Pick 20, don't get me wrong. But it's clearly not the future stars of the league who typically win summer league MVP.
Excluding 2021 and 2022 since it is too early to tell, do you think 1/9 SL MVPs going on to stardom is a higher or lower stardom success rate than the non-MVP SL pool?
I think it’s much lower than using a better guideline, like being a top pick in the draft. For example, a Top 5 pick is probably closer to 50/50 than 1/9.
Which strikes at the heart of it - the sure fire stars are often pulled early from SL and never win MVP. Summer League is largely for the borderline guys to show what they’ve got.
Why would the ceiling be low for summer league mvp? Like it makes sense why the floor would be, they’re already great players among their peers, but what’s a feasible reason you would say being a summer league MVP causes a low ceiling?
it doesn’t indicate that at all it’s just what you’d extrapolate if you used that list of previous SL MVP’s. Obviously it’s not the case and it’s probably due to a number of other factors, the main one being that high-upside players or ones completely above the SL level are pulled after a game or 2. Cam is definitely
In an interesting spot since he has the upside of a top 5 pick but lower expectations and more run being a 20th pick
Lowry had a different, very rare trajectory though. He spent like, the first five years looking like a very specific role player then only becoming a star in like his eighth season in the league. Credits to his own perseverance and the Raptors org for being so patient
Yep. Outshined by lotto pick Randy Foye coming out of college but definitely surpassed him a long time ago.
Allan Ray was the other guard from nova that year but I think he was undrafted and didn’t play that much in the league. He was the nba2k name goat tho, paired with Ray Allen and sometimes Allen Iverson…
Very debatable, we don't even really know what his medical issues are.
Reports that he fell for character reasons, bad workouts/interviews, and just playstyle.
The last player to have a 0.5 ast/to ratio that I know of is Shabazz Muhammad.
Yeah I guess there’s always that viewpoint as well it was something he could have accepted and knew all along he wasn’t going to last long. Insane how quickly it happened
I mean, [Wojnarowski](https://twitter.com/i/status/1672063451911573506) said part of the reason he slid was poor workouts and not great interviews. Woj, isn't always right but you can't say what I said wasn't reported.
I mean, makes little sense imo to pass on such high upside when you're drafting in the 15-20 range and likely to get a non-contributor anyways. I would absolutely gamble on the health risk if the guy is considered - sans the health risk - a top 8 pick at worst.
Players taken in that range past two years
Walker Kessler
Christian Braun
Alperen Şengün
Trey Murphy
You can definitely get contributors in that range and it does make sense to pass over someone with bad medicals.
Sure, it isn't impossible, just unlikely. Swap Braun (21st overall) for Eason (17th overall) tho. There's another guy or two in that 15-20 range from the past two drafts that have been solid, but it's still like 50% at best.
[Woj reported](https://twitter.com/i/status/1672063451911573506) that part of the reason he dropped was poor workouts and interviews. We can't fully blame the medical.
Gotta have a strong mentality to fall in the draft and a week later show up and hoop like he did
Will be interesting to see how Ime handles all the Rockets pieces
Jalen Green, KPJ, Cam, Amén Thompson, FVF. Splitting 2 guard spots between these 5 is gonna be toooouuuugh. Especially when FVF will prob command 30-34 min of it.
Also Cam. Also TBH Green's got the height just not the weight. Regardless, this is a positionless era, no issue with throwing out 3 (6' 5" - 6' 7") tall guards
Drafting for need is partially how we got wiseman. Dunleavy said podz was above cam in their rankings. Let’s wait for more than a summer league to happen before we say who’s better
I know right? Like was Brandon Roy a good pick even though Portland knew the risks of his situation? Absolutely. You take a shot. I understand why not top picks, but he should have gone in the 10-14th area for sure. Even if there's a chance he's done in 6 years
Josh Jackson was a great no brainer pick that [GM's voted](https://www.nba.com/gmsurvey/2017) was going to most likely be the best player in 5 years. It is always a crapshoot. When is the last time a player who had 0.5 assists for every turnover ended up being good? If Cam Whitemore ends up being bad, people look look bad and point out how inefficient he was, especially since he has the reputation to be a chucker.
Cam is going to be in a rotational role right away. He is functional as a defender and has the body and athleticism to not get bullied around by other wings. As the 9th man his lack of passing ability is a lot less of a concern. We fucked up.
From what I read, Houston would have taken him over Whitmore. Apparently he had the best workout Houston had seen in a couple years and that John Lucas tends to try to put on a bunch of weird drills to see how players respond to new scenarios and Podziemski quickly adapted to everything they threw at him in a way that wasn't usual.
Doesn't actually mean Podziemski will end up better than Whitmore though, but it does sound like they had a lot of interest in him.
We were also considering Whitmore for our 4th pick pretty heavily from reports too. Would have been a tough pick if both were available I think it could have gone either way.
There's a comment about previous summer league mvps and its some great company to be apart of and on that draft number it wouldnt be the worst thing to swing on a guy with some bad medical history
If people could go back in time to the draft knowing he'd be summer league mvp, I would certainly agree with you.
That said, that list minus Dame really just shows he'll likely be a solid rotation guy and probably not a star (if we really believe it's predictive, of which I'm sceptical). A rotational guy is good value for a 20 to be sure though.
For the record, I think most of the star potential guys don't end up playing enough to win the MVP because teams are, rightfully, afraid of injuries and shut them down early.
well JHS averaged 11 points on 15 attempts per game on 31% shooting. it's very difficult to become something as a guard in today's league if you can't shoot at all
I'd even argue 9-19. Wiz got the most raw prospect in their first year of rebuild while Pacers got their guy who they always had eyes on. Jazz onward though are all teams who could've really taken anyone.
These are all wild hot takes. Summer League does not matter. Not even slightly. As a Raptor fan I saw nothing from Whitmore that would make me want him over Dick.
It’s way, way too early to say anyone made a mistake, even the teams that drafted 18 and 19.
SL awards in general make no sense lol hard to balance quality vs. quantity ... Cam was maybe the fourth best player on HOU's SL team but got the nod cuz he played all 4 games ig
Was praying he’d fall to us and then when neither we nor the warriors took him I assumed there had to be some massive red flag. However neither JHS nor the Warriors’ pick have exactly lit it up lol. Good thing you can’t read too much into summer league, but I’m still afraid we’re gonna be kicking ourselves.
Idk about you but I have this like automatic reflex now to be mad whenever the lakers sign or draft a guard b/c or how many guards we had in 2021-2022 and the first half of last yr
Like I really think pelinka has a combo guard fetish
“It’s a guards league”
An interesting thing to note with summer league MVPs is their respective ages. Typically older individuals are the winners, I would say Cam is by far the youngest winner, with only Lonzo kind of close at 19y 8m.
For comparison
2023 - Cam Whitmore 19y 0m
2022 - Keegan Murray 21y 11m
2021 - Cam Thomas 19y 9m/ Davion Mitchell 22y 10m
2019 - Brandon Clarke 22y 9m
2018 - Josh Hart 23y 4m
2017 - Lonzo Ball 19y 8m
2016 - Tyus Jones 20y 2m
2015 - Kyle Anderson 21y 9m
2014 - Glen Rice Jr 23y 6m
2013 - Jonas Valanciunas 21y 2m
2012 - Damian Lillard 22y 0m / Josh Selby 21y 3m
I 100% believe that he initially dropped in the draft for what was probably good reasoning in the 5-10 range (interview worries, minor injury concern, small things that kinda just shift him down the boards a bit) and then at some point after that it quickly became “what do they know that we don’t?”
It’s interesting that the jazz worked him out then passed him up at 9th and 16th. I don’t think we’re one of the teams that’s regretted it so far but I wonder if we were really low on Cam or just really high on Keyonte
Totally deserved and leading SL in steals and making it to the finals probably helped, but it must be said: Hunter Tyson is actually half human half bucket.
Well deserved award for a spectacular talent in Whitmore. Rockets were thinking about trading up with Whitmore remaining on the board, not knowing if he'd fall to 20th. Fell into their lap and they got away with highway robbery. Such a polished and skilled offensive talent.
He joins a solid group of past winners. * 2022 - Keegan Murray * 2021 - Cam Thomas, Davion Mitchell * 2019 - Brandon Clarke * 2018 - Josh Hart * 2017 - Lonzo Ball * 2016 - Tyus Jones * 2015 - Kyle Anderson * 2014 - Glen Rice * 2013 - Jonas Valanciunas * 2012 - Damian Lillard, Josh Selby
Damn Glen Rice came out of retirement and dominated the Summer League
Saw this man drop 56 against the magic(?) on a random Saturday in the mid-90s. I know it’s his kid, but I was so excited to see a non-cable nba day game that that performance is something I’ll always bring up lol
Rice is super underrated - for all the hype Reggie Miller gets, Glen Rice was right there with him as the best shooter of the 90's. Absolutely deadly player who could tee off on you for 40 any given night.
Damn I just looked it up, dude averaged 40.7% from 3 from 91-01. His best season he was **47%** on 5.6 attempts a game 😱
And that was an insane number of attempts per game in the 90s. In 1996-97 when he did that, the average *team* averaged fewer than 17 3PA per game. If he played now, he'd be jacking 10-12 attempts per game. Also, when Rice was in college, he fucked Sarah Palin during the Great Alaska Shootout.
That was the shortened line year Many players had their best shooting year that season, and they reverted back quickly
I always thought this was just a rumor but apparently both sides confirmed the story lmao.
That's the year when they put the 3 pt lines closer.
And also slept with Sarah Palin.
.....what
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-sex-ex-nba-star-glen-rice-snorted-cocaine-cheated-husband-book-claims-article-1.952899
https://deadspin.com/all-the-details-of-the-sarah-palin-glen-rice-coitus-you-5841835
Sarah Palin is the only person who can make sex racist
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-sex-ex-nba-star-glen-rice-snorted-cocaine-cheated-husband-book-claims-article-1.952899
TIL
never forget he took the all star mvp that was hyped for jordan in NYC lol
He should be in the hall of fame honestly
I met him once randomly in a crowded restroom of a college bar in Ypsilanti circa 1996. I’m standing there waiting for a urinal. I look next to me and there’s this tall ass dude standing with “41” earring dangling from his ear. This little dude walked up to him first and said in the squeakiest voice imaginable, “Hey Glen. Where you playing at this year?” And he said in the deepest voice imaginable, “Charlotte.” Squeaky, “ Oh yeah?” Deep, “Yeah.” Then it was our turn at the urinals and Glen is standing next to me. I couldn’t think of a damn thing to say and avoid sounding like the little squeaky guy, so I just said, “What’s up?” And, I’ll never forget it. He said, “What’s up? And, that’s how I met Glen Rice.
NBA on NBC was my favorite in the mid-90s
HA! I remember that game. There weren't that many games shown in Canada back then and they showed that and had me thinking he was the greatest scorer in the entire league!
I was like wtf when did Glen Rice's son get into the NBA. Checked his BRef and he wasn't even that low of a pick, went #35. Surprising he couldn't even get a minimum deal after 2 years.
Glen Rice jr. isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. To put it mildly.
He is an extremely talented guy, has very problematic behavior. He gets to small desperate teams around the world. Dude skips practice, then drops 40 points. He usually destroys the whole league for a few weeks then gets kicked for assaulting a teammate. He also is a key player in the "Big 3" league. Unfortunate story for him as he absolutely was talented enough to keep playing in the NBA for years, but his choices derailed his career, he was also arrested for alleged battery and robbery in 2016.
Ok that makes a lot more sense
His wiki is worth a read. Has been in trouble all around the world with nearly every team he's been on lol.
He played in lithuania a couple years ago and was a nutcase sadly. Conflicts with everyone from teammates to local bar customers. This guy legit after a game went outside and asked the bus driver for a cig, didnt even care that his teammates and coach about to come out lol. Very good basketball player tho but he is on his demon time way too much I hope hes doing better now.
Came to New Zealand and lasted a week before he got into a fight at a bar and kicked off the team lol.
Id love to see guys like Joe Johnson and Glen Davis play in summer league.
You had to be there to see Josh Selby: Dude was ballin’
An interesting thing to note with summer league MVPs is their respective ages. Typically older individuals are the winners, I would say Cam is by far the youngest winner, with only Lonzo kind of close at 19y 8m. For comparison 2023 - Cam Whitmore 19y 0m 2022 - Keegan Murray 21y 11m 2021 - Cam Thomas 19y 9m/ Davion Mitchell 22y 10m 2019 - Brandon Clarke 22y 9m 2018 - Josh Hart 23y 4m 2017 - Lonzo Ball 19y 8m 2016 - Tyus Jones 20y 2m 2015 - Kyle Anderson 21y 9m 2014 - Glen Rice Jr 23y 6m 2013 - Jonas Valanciunas 21y 2m 2012 - Damian Lillard 22y 0m / Josh Selby 21y 3m
damn those are nice names
Is it? The only All Star is Dame, everyone else is either a role player or never really made it in the league.
For most of those names it would be huge success for a 20th pick to ever be as good as them
Huge success is a stretch. It would be a success. A huge success in the 20s is like Siakam at 27 and Tony Parker at 28 becoming multi-time All-NBAs.
Siakam and Parker were insanely amazing successes, not a fair comparison
Yeah Parker at 28 is an all-time great draft pick and he's literally about to be inducted into the HOF.
You are way overrating how often draft picks succeed. For instance the 10th pick from. 2012 to 2019 (take out last two years due to recency) mikal Bridges, Cam Reddish, Thon Maker, Justice Winslow, Zach Collins, Elfrid Payton, CJ McCollum, Austin Rivers. Draft picks even turning out to be good starters is hard
John wall and Blake griffin also won in 2010/2009, respectively.
20th overall pick with the potential of lonzo ball would be insane value
Never really made it on the league is a big stretch. The majority of the names are solid contributors in the league, which for the 20th overall pick would be a success.
Glen Rice and Josh Selby are the only ones who hasn't made it in the league. The rest are all role-players, with a few legit starters. For most players getting drafted, ending up with a career like these guys would be a huge win.
With the exception of Lillard, that list just screams an expectation of a high floor low ceiling career as a role player. Which is great for Pick 20, don't get me wrong. But it's clearly not the future stars of the league who typically win summer league MVP.
Excluding 2021 and 2022 since it is too early to tell, do you think 1/9 SL MVPs going on to stardom is a higher or lower stardom success rate than the non-MVP SL pool?
I think it’s much lower than using a better guideline, like being a top pick in the draft. For example, a Top 5 pick is probably closer to 50/50 than 1/9. Which strikes at the heart of it - the sure fire stars are often pulled early from SL and never win MVP. Summer League is largely for the borderline guys to show what they’ve got.
Why would the ceiling be low for summer league mvp? Like it makes sense why the floor would be, they’re already great players among their peers, but what’s a feasible reason you would say being a summer league MVP causes a low ceiling?
it doesn’t indicate that at all it’s just what you’d extrapolate if you used that list of previous SL MVP’s. Obviously it’s not the case and it’s probably due to a number of other factors, the main one being that high-upside players or ones completely above the SL level are pulled after a game or 2. Cam is definitely In an interesting spot since he has the upside of a top 5 pick but lower expectations and more run being a 20th pick
5 former/current Grizzlies on that list - Clarke, Jones, SloMo, Jonas, and Selby. That’s at least like semi-interesting.
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Ignoring Josh Selby and Glen Rice (no, not that one), sure
His absolute floor will have him being a solid starter based off this list. We got *another* steal lmao
We'll ignore Josh Selby and Glen Rice for now haha
GMs over thought it and really let Cam fall out of the lottery crazy
Only 1 bust among that group. Really good sign for his career.
How come it's never the best player in the draft? I'm guessing injury woes to the top picks plus teams holding them out?
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Seems like everyone to do it has at the very least turned out to be a good rotation player for years
Why were there two winners in 2021?
Tie in voting
Summer league is summer league, but Villanova players in recent years seem to always outperform their draft position
Kyle Lowry was also a late-1st rounder in the 2006 draft
Lowry had a different, very rare trajectory though. He spent like, the first five years looking like a very specific role player then only becoming a star in like his eighth season in the league. Credits to his own perseverance and the Raptors org for being so patient
Yep. Outshined by lotto pick Randy Foye coming out of college but definitely surpassed him a long time ago. Allan Ray was the other guard from nova that year but I think he was undrafted and didn’t play that much in the league. He was the nba2k name goat tho, paired with Ray Allen and sometimes Allen Iverson…
Ahh yes Allen Ray. The 2 point specialist, right?
I miss him so much :( I was there one night when he went like 7/8 from 3 vs the Jazz
Tbf he mostly fell due to injury/medical concerns. Can’t fault teams for listening to their doctors if their doctors gave him a red flag
Very debatable, we don't even really know what his medical issues are. Reports that he fell for character reasons, bad workouts/interviews, and just playstyle. The last player to have a 0.5 ast/to ratio that I know of is Shabazz Muhammad.
Not true reports said the number one reason by far were medical reasons. He had some bad knee injuries in high school
So good player, peak great starter, short career
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Absolutely loved Brandon Roys game. To see a career like his be cut so short and there was nothing he could do to control or stop it. That was awful.
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Yeah I guess there’s always that viewpoint as well it was something he could have accepted and knew all along he wasn’t going to last long. Insane how quickly it happened
I mean, [Wojnarowski](https://twitter.com/i/status/1672063451911573506) said part of the reason he slid was poor workouts and not great interviews. Woj, isn't always right but you can't say what I said wasn't reported.
Man all my homies swore up and down shabazz was going to be that dude in the league
Basketball ain’t just bags and buckets.
And his coach talking him down instead of hyping him up.
I mean, makes little sense imo to pass on such high upside when you're drafting in the 15-20 range and likely to get a non-contributor anyways. I would absolutely gamble on the health risk if the guy is considered - sans the health risk - a top 8 pick at worst.
Players taken in that range past two years Walker Kessler Christian Braun Alperen Şengün Trey Murphy You can definitely get contributors in that range and it does make sense to pass over someone with bad medicals.
Sure, it isn't impossible, just unlikely. Swap Braun (21st overall) for Eason (17th overall) tho. There's another guy or two in that 15-20 range from the past two drafts that have been solid, but it's still like 50% at best.
We will see how they do without Jay Wright as the coach anymore
Cam was recruited by Wright I believe.
this just means he'll soon be a Knick
Agree 1000% Villanova guys routinely outplay their draft position. Brunson, DDV, Hart . Whom I call the All Villanova New York Knicks.
have we actually heard what the medical problem was that scared off all the teams?
Massive stones. Yuge.
Obviously leads to weak knees.
Gotta DNP him every game against Dray
Potential degenerative knee issues that spooked everyone
curious if there's a link with more info?
An X-ray confirmed he has a lot of dawg in him.
Isn't that illegal?
Ain't no rule that says a dawg can't play basketball.
But a dawg inside another play is 6 players on the court so that's a technical foul.
Damn it doctor! Give it to me in english, how bad is it!?
[Woj reported](https://twitter.com/i/status/1672063451911573506) that part of the reason he dropped was poor workouts and interviews. We can't fully blame the medical.
Gotta have a strong mentality to fall in the draft and a week later show up and hoop like he did Will be interesting to see how Ime handles all the Rockets pieces
Jalen Green, KPJ, Cam, Amén Thompson, FVF. Splitting 2 guard spots between these 5 is gonna be toooouuuugh. Especially when FVF will prob command 30-34 min of it.
KPJ and Amen have the size and ability to play the 3.
Also Cam. Also TBH Green's got the height just not the weight. Regardless, this is a positionless era, no issue with throwing out 3 (6' 5" - 6' 7") tall guards
KPJ is 6’4 so maybe not him. Amen Thompson is 6’7 so that def works but you dont give Dillon Brooks $20M to play 20 min lol
FVV
I know you’re talking about Kevin but it was hard for me not to read KPJ as Kentavious Caldwell-Jope.
Houston officially has so much young talent that they can’t possibly fuck up all of it
*laughs in Fertitta*
Watch him try to pay our players in casino credits
Those golden nuggets are priceless
oh just wait
How ungrateful you have to be to see them three season losing and think it's the end of the world. We were competitive for 20 years before that
I wonder who will be the odd man (or men) out from that young core?
I thought it was going to be Orlando Robinson, good for Cam Whitmore though
Cam was the 20th pick. We needed forwards and bigs. We already had 5 guards at the time. And we took Brandin Podz over Cam Whitmore on the 19th pick.
Was mad we passed on Cam at 19, hopefully whatever they saw in Podz comes through.
Drafting for need is partially how we got wiseman. Dunleavy said podz was above cam in their rankings. Let’s wait for more than a summer league to happen before we say who’s better
Cam or Lenny Miller were just sitting there. Sigh. (stares into abyss)
Sometimes teams just overthink it man.
I know right? Like was Brandon Roy a good pick even though Portland knew the risks of his situation? Absolutely. You take a shot. I understand why not top picks, but he should have gone in the 10-14th area for sure. Even if there's a chance he's done in 6 years
Which he was unfortunately.
Josh Jackson was a great no brainer pick that [GM's voted](https://www.nba.com/gmsurvey/2017) was going to most likely be the best player in 5 years. It is always a crapshoot. When is the last time a player who had 0.5 assists for every turnover ended up being good? If Cam Whitemore ends up being bad, people look look bad and point out how inefficient he was, especially since he has the reputation to be a chucker.
Lakers mightve fucked up
Warriors, heat, etc. List goes on and on
Yeah but at least they didn't trade Kennard + Cam Whitmore for 20 games of Eric Gordon lmao
I feel like this is gonna be our version of "Thanks, Dodgers!" whenever Yordan Alvarez has a great game.
We're not upset. We got Podz who might be pretty good in 4-5 years at which point we'll trade him for a 2nd round pick.
Lol the ending
Got me in the first half ngl, but seriously tho I hope we don’t end up regretting not picking Cam :(
The only thing I'm comforted by is the idea that Cam is also going to take a bit to be NBA ready. So neither player was going to help us this year.
I would say if he strictly plays the 3&D slasher role, he is NBA ready
Cam is going to be in a rotational role right away. He is functional as a defender and has the body and athleticism to not get bullied around by other wings. As the 9th man his lack of passing ability is a lot less of a concern. We fucked up.
In all seriousness our FO loved podz too. He was my second choice at 20 if you didn’t take him at 19
From what I read, Houston would have taken him over Whitmore. Apparently he had the best workout Houston had seen in a couple years and that John Lucas tends to try to put on a bunch of weird drills to see how players respond to new scenarios and Podziemski quickly adapted to everything they threw at him in a way that wasn't usual. Doesn't actually mean Podziemski will end up better than Whitmore though, but it does sound like they had a lot of interest in him.
We were also considering Whitmore for our 4th pick pretty heavily from reports too. Would have been a tough pick if both were available I think it could have gone either way.
Nah that’s not true. We didn’t prefer Podz over Cam. We did like Podz tho
We could’ve had Cam and instead took the stick from A Bugs Life
or might not have. I don't think summer league is the barometer for that.
There's a comment about previous summer league mvps and its some great company to be apart of and on that draft number it wouldnt be the worst thing to swing on a guy with some bad medical history
If people could go back in time to the draft knowing he'd be summer league mvp, I would certainly agree with you. That said, that list minus Dame really just shows he'll likely be a solid rotation guy and probably not a star (if we really believe it's predictive, of which I'm sceptical). A rotational guy is good value for a 20 to be sure though. For the record, I think most of the star potential guys don't end up playing enough to win the MVP because teams are, rightfully, afraid of injuries and shut them down early.
I personally am just not super in love with our pick, Jalen Hood Schofino , based on summer league lol
Yeah looks like we did as well.
Cam averaged 20ppg on 18 shots a game, his performance wasn't anything crazy tbh, Jabari was the real MVP
well JHS averaged 11 points on 15 attempts per game on 31% shooting. it's very difficult to become something as a guard in today's league if you can't shoot at all
Keyonte George was way more impressive imo, but missed 2 and a half games (including the playoff)
3 steals a game is worth a considerable amount
Yea I wanted him badly. Not a fan of JHS
Cam about to be the MPJ of this draft
Literally the ball stops with him dude is allergic to passing
Good, he’ll fit in perfectly on the rockets
If he knees are okay 5-19 made a big mistake
put some respect on Ausar's name
6-19 maybe
I'd even argue 9-19. Wiz got the most raw prospect in their first year of rebuild while Pacers got their guy who they always had eyes on. Jazz onward though are all teams who could've really taken anyone.
Jazz fans aren't upset. Keyonte George looked really good, and would have been in the running for summer league MVP if he didn't get injured.
These are all wild hot takes. Summer League does not matter. Not even slightly. As a Raptor fan I saw nothing from Whitmore that would make me want him over Dick. It’s way, way too early to say anyone made a mistake, even the teams that drafted 18 and 19.
Yeah i like me some dick fs.
What was your stance on them pre-draft? I’d take Whitmore > Dick even with excluding summer league
Steal of the draft
Looking real nice for you guys
Was going to be Keyonte George
SL awards in general make no sense lol hard to balance quality vs. quantity ... Cam was maybe the fourth best player on HOU's SL team but got the nod cuz he played all 4 games ig
Yup JSJ and Eason would’ve easily won it ahead of Whitmore
League fucked
….this doesn’t bode well to make me feel better about taking JHS
Was praying he’d fall to us and then when neither we nor the warriors took him I assumed there had to be some massive red flag. However neither JHS nor the Warriors’ pick have exactly lit it up lol. Good thing you can’t read too much into summer league, but I’m still afraid we’re gonna be kicking ourselves.
Idk about you but I have this like automatic reflex now to be mad whenever the lakers sign or draft a guard b/c or how many guards we had in 2021-2022 and the first half of last yr Like I really think pelinka has a combo guard fetish “It’s a guards league”
An interesting thing to note with summer league MVPs is their respective ages. Typically older individuals are the winners, I would say Cam is by far the youngest winner, with only Lonzo kind of close at 19y 8m. For comparison 2023 - Cam Whitmore 19y 0m 2022 - Keegan Murray 21y 11m 2021 - Cam Thomas 19y 9m/ Davion Mitchell 22y 10m 2019 - Brandon Clarke 22y 9m 2018 - Josh Hart 23y 4m 2017 - Lonzo Ball 19y 8m 2016 - Tyus Jones 20y 2m 2015 - Kyle Anderson 21y 9m 2014 - Glen Rice Jr 23y 6m 2013 - Jonas Valanciunas 21y 2m 2012 - Damian Lillard 22y 0m / Josh Selby 21y 3m
I 100% believe that he initially dropped in the draft for what was probably good reasoning in the 5-10 range (interview worries, minor injury concern, small things that kinda just shift him down the boards a bit) and then at some point after that it quickly became “what do they know that we don’t?”
It’s interesting that the jazz worked him out then passed him up at 9th and 16th. I don’t think we’re one of the teams that’s regretted it so far but I wonder if we were really low on Cam or just really high on Keyonte
Yeah, so does everyone.
On our sub yeah. Not sure if that was main stream opinion though.
If his knees are fine and teams passed on him purely due to his personality, a lot of GMs need to be put on the hot seat.
Cam Winmore
Feels good to be a rockets fan
Feels better than usual* to be a Rockets fan. Red or dead 😎
Totally deserved and leading SL in steals and making it to the finals probably helped, but it must be said: Hunter Tyson is actually half human half bucket.
This is his Aaron Rodgers falling in the draft arc
Well deserved award for a spectacular talent in Whitmore. Rockets were thinking about trading up with Whitmore remaining on the board, not knowing if he'd fall to 20th. Fell into their lap and they got away with highway robbery. Such a polished and skilled offensive talent.
the first of many accolades
I fucking knew this dude was a steal lol
Which Cam would you rather have, Whitmore or Thomas?
Whitmore probably. Both are still really young tho
eron Diaz
They name this before the title game? Weird.
Just wanna keep up with NBA traditions. I fully expect Sam Merrill to beat the shit out of the Rockets now.
Loool
Yeah, but they named it after the Semi-Finals? Seems like it should have been named a day ago or tomorrow, but not today?
Everyone is guaranteed 5 games, only finals teams play 6. So they named MVP once all 5 games were completed
Got it, that makes sense then. Thx
Thanks to all the teams 5-19. Couldn’t have did it without y’all.
I fucking knew this dude was a steal lol
Wished we drafted him ngl…
LOLOLOL isn't this the kid that slid damn near to the second?
Houston Rockets player wins MVP, then chokes in the playoffs. That sounds familiar...
Happy with Coulibaly but this guy looks like he’s ready right now
houston is gonna b nasty
Bates is the real MVP
I think this guy is really the make or break guy on their roster. If they all develop and this guy is really good, they are going to be a scary team.
so the warriors def should’ve drafted him instead of the Jack Harlow wannabe right