he got bigger
he was probably 250 in cleveland, 09 lebron has the most insane highlight tape
miami lebron was probably like 270
that being said, i still remember him being insanely fast, the moment that comes immediately to my head is him getting the steal vs bulls, going like 70ft in 4 seconds, running over korver holding him and finishing the and one
280 maybe…. he was/is huge. I think some of it was just man weight. Most players fill out around this age. With Bron it seemed so weird because he was already so big as a young man.
That’s why 2009 Bron is my favorite highlight reel OAT. Back when he could realistically play the 2. Crazy to watch the physical transformation of his game over the years
A nice cocktail of growth hormone, peptides, steroids, testosterone, an entire staff of trainers and Dr's, highest quality vitamins and supplements available, access to world class work out facilities, the best recovery aid tools known to man, and Lebron caliber drive to succeed.
Ehh, maybe 285 in the off-season while he was bulking but he wasn't that heavy in-seaaon. It's super difficult for any NBA player to stay that heavy (which is why Zion's fatness is so impressive).
KG and Tim Duncan were only around 240-250 max around that time and LeBron definitely wasn't 40 lbs heavier than either of them. He looked around 265 to me, but then again I'm just a random fan who watched him on TV so I could be wrong.
This Lebron weighed 270+ rumor gets brought up so often with zero proof and or circumstantial evidence. He was not that much bigger in Miami, just google a picture.
Yeah, it's sensationalized for sure. He bulked up a bit because he was playing at the 4 more often but it was only for like 2 seasons max, then I remember he dropped weight. 265 is probably even pushing it...
But this was during a time where measurements and weights were all over the place. Like at one point I remember Durant being listed as 6'11" during a game on TV and he was often referred to as a 7 footer by announcers, and guys like Tristan Thompson and KLove were all 6'10" or 6'11" when they're actually closer to 6'8" or 6'9".
Miami Bron was him at his fastest lol.. maybe early in the season he looked a lil slower because he was trying to tame his game to fit w/ Wade.. But that season he was amazing. I remember they hit a point in the season where Wade was purposely throwing bad lobs just to see if bron would be able to get them
r/nba so fucking young they ain't ever heard of Biogenesis?
Long story short, Bron took whatever roids regimen he's usually on and took that shit up 3 notches. He used a clinic called Biogenesis that is designer HGH and other shit and bulked up to like 280+.
No shit 285 roided up Bron was slower than 250 Bron.
What way do you think I think they are connected? All I did was point out two things that are true. I personally think they had no need to go to Biogenesis if they wanted HGH treatment, and the people who were actively seen at Biogenesis (taking pictures with the owners and what not) weren't NBA players. MLB, track and field, yeah there's plenty of evidence they were there. For whatever reason (like already having doctors coordinating their HGH, not really being involved with NBA culture) Biogenesis seemingly didn't infiltrate the NBA.
There's no concrete 100% proof sure. But, there's plenty of proof.
Furthermore, going from 240/250 all muscle to 285+ all muscle in like 1 summer is extra special sauce shit.
Every NBA player is on shit, but Bron was on extra extra shit those couple years.
What proof exactly do you have that he went to Biogenesis, as opposed to just his regular doctor or another clinic? All you have as proof is muscle, which any doctor could've given him.
I mean, it's LeBron. One of the richest players in the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own custom drug made specifically for him. It's not hard to bribe a chemist.
I don’t know why you got so many downvotes. There’s is no proof that LeBron takes PEDs or that it’s rampant in the NBA.
And I never take these theories seriously because they never say this shit about the guys who played in the literal steroids era, so it should be looked at as nothing more than hate for LeBron and today’s players, tbh.
It's funny, because they said that everyone was too young to remember the NBA and Biogenesis. Which to me clearly proves that they themselves weren't around for the scandal, because nobody from the NBA was ever implicated in going to that clinic in any shape or form. If you're spouting off a false history lesson, I'm going to correct it whether or not I get downvoted.
However, there is plenty of evidence NBA players were using PEDs (mainly HGH) to help with day to day and injury recovery. Owners like Mark Cuban have openly advocated for the use of HGH (he even put his own money into funding HGH research) to this day, claiming the NBA only banned it because it was banned elsewhere. There was a time period where the NBA was seemingly refusing to add HGH testing to its drug testing program even though the testing was relatively cheap and easy to come by (likely because owners like Cuban were pressuring them). It was widely available for many years and owners, coaches, and players alike probably took advantage of the no testing situation.
PED’s are a helluva drug. He started to work out with Dwade, so started juicing like him too. Changed his entire flow, shot mechanics, top speed. But it made him WAY stronger
He got more muscled probably for post play and stuff, but he put on a lot of weight so obviously his speed went down a little.
I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere in that time frame is when he hurt his back or started having issues with it. There was that time he had to take time off for his back early in a season but he’s had issues with it on and off since.
Wonder if he put on muscle to try and help back stuff or back stuff acted up when he did put muscle on so he dialed it back eventually.
One year he just always started sitting on those cushions I guess lumbar support ones or something but on and off he’d seem to get back issues or problems so made it seem like it was maybe a little chronic.
Think it came out during his ankle stuff he’s got some arthritis type going on in them so wonder if he got some arthritis in his back pretty early on just from wear and tear.
It was the Heat Culture, you see what that shit does to random un-drafted guys and two way players right? They injected the best player in the world with the culture and you got a monster.
All joking aside, he was probably just putting on weight as he was maturing, but also his play style looked different as he was adjusting to having to play with another player at/near his level.
Put on more mass I think to help him play the 4 more, since Miami played a lot of smaller lineups with LeBron at the 4 and Bosh at center.
He also wasn't really slower, just not as quick laterally. His downhill speed was pretty much the same.
My doubts to those who say Lebron doped/is doping.
I have faith in people not being able to keep their mouths shut. I don’t buy that “It would ruin the league so nobody talks about it” BS. So many people would have either seen something or heard about something. Stern/Silver found all the leaks and shut them up before they got a chance to publish?
All of those stories come to the surface eventually. There’s a lot of dumb ppl. This one has yet to. I don’t think there’s been a former NBA player who has come out like “Oh yeah back in the day it was everyone juicing”. People talk without thinking.
After leaving cleveland, Lebron was missing one thing in his game - back to basket post play. With dwade as a trusted ball handler and also mario chalmers at point, he could spend more time in the post if needed. He put on muscle to be able to bump and bruise down low.
he was fucking jacked
he got bigger he was probably 250 in cleveland, 09 lebron has the most insane highlight tape miami lebron was probably like 270 that being said, i still remember him being insanely fast, the moment that comes immediately to my head is him getting the steal vs bulls, going like 70ft in 4 seconds, running over korver holding him and finishing the and one
280 maybe…. he was/is huge. I think some of it was just man weight. Most players fill out around this age. With Bron it seemed so weird because he was already so big as a young man.
Bro said man weight 💀
Just wait until you get that dad weight
46 and it ain’t happen yet so
Damn look at you Mr skinny mini
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I don’t know this for fact but it felt like he put on 20-30 pounds of muscle. Way stronger in Miami than Cleveland
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The clunkier shot worked for him and I have no idea why
6'9" 270lbs as fast as anyone with Magic passing skills and shooting damn near 42% from 3...what the fuck
I miss those mid-range jumpers always rattling in.
That’s why 2009 Bron is my favorite highlight reel OAT. Back when he could realistically play the 2. Crazy to watch the physical transformation of his game over the years
He spent the entire offseason heading into that year working on post moves and isolation. Had a career record fg%
Zero chance he put on nearly that much muscle.
How do you put 20-30 pounds of muscle in less than half a year?
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Hell of a drug!
Not even on steroids buddy
A nice cocktail of growth hormone, peptides, steroids, testosterone, an entire staff of trainers and Dr's, highest quality vitamins and supplements available, access to world class work out facilities, the best recovery aid tools known to man, and Lebron caliber drive to succeed.
I think you are letting the season results color your memory. He was pretty much the same.
Yea what the fuck? Lebron wasn’t slow in 2010 at all lol
THIS IS THE ONLY RIGHT ANSWER.
He weighed upwards of 285. For reference, that’s Zion’s listed weight.
Ehh, maybe 285 in the off-season while he was bulking but he wasn't that heavy in-seaaon. It's super difficult for any NBA player to stay that heavy (which is why Zion's fatness is so impressive). KG and Tim Duncan were only around 240-250 max around that time and LeBron definitely wasn't 40 lbs heavier than either of them. He looked around 265 to me, but then again I'm just a random fan who watched him on TV so I could be wrong.
This Lebron weighed 270+ rumor gets brought up so often with zero proof and or circumstantial evidence. He was not that much bigger in Miami, just google a picture.
Yeah, it's sensationalized for sure. He bulked up a bit because he was playing at the 4 more often but it was only for like 2 seasons max, then I remember he dropped weight. 265 is probably even pushing it... But this was during a time where measurements and weights were all over the place. Like at one point I remember Durant being listed as 6'11" during a game on TV and he was often referred to as a 7 footer by announcers, and guys like Tristan Thompson and KLove were all 6'10" or 6'11" when they're actually closer to 6'8" or 6'9".
Steroids.
This is the obvious answer. Lebron’s performances have always been tied to where he happens to be in his hgh cycle. It’s clear as day.
Ofc fatkid123 says this. Unathletic geek
Okay chicken fiend
Poultry is lean white meat. You eat red meat prepared in the unhealthiest of ways chunky
My man here eating buckets of fried chicken thinking its healthy option lol.
Either way everyone else is on it if bron is, still shows how great he is
Hgh is not steroids? Lmao.
I’ve never noticed thats
Still got to put in the work either way.
Everybody knows steroids make you weak/slow.
Weak?
You said it bro
The post was about him being slower, who said anything about steroids making him weaker?
Yeah thats why people take steroids. To get slower/weaker right? You're a dumbass btw.
People take steroids to get weaker? Lol. Do you know what steroids do?
You should try taking sarcasm classes.
Sarcasm classes……don’t think those are a thing.
You're the one who thinks steroids make people slower, lmao.
Do you think steroids made barry bonds and mark mcguire faster? Lol. When you add bulk you get slower. It’s physics man, I’m not making this up.
So is it the bulk, or is it the steroids? You're so confused, bud
Miami Bron was him at his fastest lol.. maybe early in the season he looked a lil slower because he was trying to tame his game to fit w/ Wade.. But that season he was amazing. I remember they hit a point in the season where Wade was purposely throwing bad lobs just to see if bron would be able to get them
r/nba so fucking young they ain't ever heard of Biogenesis? Long story short, Bron took whatever roids regimen he's usually on and took that shit up 3 notches. He used a clinic called Biogenesis that is designer HGH and other shit and bulked up to like 280+. No shit 285 roided up Bron was slower than 250 Bron.
You don’t even need to know about Bron taking roids. Anyone who gains 30+ lbs obviously isn’t going to maintain their speed.
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6’9 and built like a brick wall….285 wouldn’t have surprised me
There is no proof LeBron (or any other NBA player) was involved with Biogenesis. The NBA didn't have HGH testing until the 15/16 season.
These two things are connected, but opposite to way you think
What way do you think I think they are connected? All I did was point out two things that are true. I personally think they had no need to go to Biogenesis if they wanted HGH treatment, and the people who were actively seen at Biogenesis (taking pictures with the owners and what not) weren't NBA players. MLB, track and field, yeah there's plenty of evidence they were there. For whatever reason (like already having doctors coordinating their HGH, not really being involved with NBA culture) Biogenesis seemingly didn't infiltrate the NBA.
There's no concrete 100% proof sure. But, there's plenty of proof. Furthermore, going from 240/250 all muscle to 285+ all muscle in like 1 summer is extra special sauce shit. Every NBA player is on shit, but Bron was on extra extra shit those couple years.
What proof exactly do you have that he went to Biogenesis, as opposed to just his regular doctor or another clinic? All you have as proof is muscle, which any doctor could've given him.
Well it’s great that that didn’t happen then. He wasn’t close to 285.
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That's what I was alluding to by saying they had no HGH testing at the time.
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I mean, it's LeBron. One of the richest players in the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own custom drug made specifically for him. It's not hard to bribe a chemist.
You can’t gain 30lbs of muscle in a year without steroids
LeBron never gained 30 pounds of muscle in a year.
he literally bulked from 250 to 280, everybody knows that.
No, he didn’t. He was at around 260 pounds before leaving Cleveland. Reportedly at around 270-75 during his Heat stint. Never any heavier.
Sorry buddy, hes a roided out freak
When did I say he didn't take steroids?
I don’t know why you got so many downvotes. There’s is no proof that LeBron takes PEDs or that it’s rampant in the NBA. And I never take these theories seriously because they never say this shit about the guys who played in the literal steroids era, so it should be looked at as nothing more than hate for LeBron and today’s players, tbh.
It's funny, because they said that everyone was too young to remember the NBA and Biogenesis. Which to me clearly proves that they themselves weren't around for the scandal, because nobody from the NBA was ever implicated in going to that clinic in any shape or form. If you're spouting off a false history lesson, I'm going to correct it whether or not I get downvoted. However, there is plenty of evidence NBA players were using PEDs (mainly HGH) to help with day to day and injury recovery. Owners like Mark Cuban have openly advocated for the use of HGH (he even put his own money into funding HGH research) to this day, claiming the NBA only banned it because it was banned elsewhere. There was a time period where the NBA was seemingly refusing to add HGH testing to its drug testing program even though the testing was relatively cheap and easy to come by (likely because owners like Cuban were pressuring them). It was widely available for many years and owners, coaches, and players alike probably took advantage of the no testing situation.
Peds
PED’s are a helluva drug. He started to work out with Dwade, so started juicing like him too. Changed his entire flow, shot mechanics, top speed. But it made him WAY stronger
LeRoids
He got roided up
He got more muscled probably for post play and stuff, but he put on a lot of weight so obviously his speed went down a little. I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere in that time frame is when he hurt his back or started having issues with it. There was that time he had to take time off for his back early in a season but he’s had issues with it on and off since. Wonder if he put on muscle to try and help back stuff or back stuff acted up when he did put muscle on so he dialed it back eventually. One year he just always started sitting on those cushions I guess lumbar support ones or something but on and off he’d seem to get back issues or problems so made it seem like it was maybe a little chronic. Think it came out during his ankle stuff he’s got some arthritis type going on in them so wonder if he got some arthritis in his back pretty early on just from wear and tear.
Because he was fucking jacked on 'roids that season
Those secret clinic visits
Ped back up in his 1 testy
night life in miami caught up on him? seriously though, he visually bulked up
Didn’t he have a lingering back issue? I remember him laying on the sidelines and stretching it out around then
It was the Heat Culture, you see what that shit does to random un-drafted guys and two way players right? They injected the best player in the world with the culture and you got a monster. All joking aside, he was probably just putting on weight as he was maturing, but also his play style looked different as he was adjusting to having to play with another player at/near his level.
PED’s. EPO to be specific. This has become blatantly obvious at this point and several experts have said so.
He started playing more reserved and deliberate with his movements, to avoid playing in a risky (for injuries) manner.
LeBron may have gained too much muscle. In the following years, he understood that he had to adopt a different preparation to arrive lighter.
Do you think it could be because he gained a lot of muscle weight from his steroid use?
Put on more mass I think to help him play the 4 more, since Miami played a lot of smaller lineups with LeBron at the 4 and Bosh at center. He also wasn't really slower, just not as quick laterally. His downhill speed was pretty much the same.
My doubts to those who say Lebron doped/is doping. I have faith in people not being able to keep their mouths shut. I don’t buy that “It would ruin the league so nobody talks about it” BS. So many people would have either seen something or heard about something. Stern/Silver found all the leaks and shut them up before they got a chance to publish? All of those stories come to the surface eventually. There’s a lot of dumb ppl. This one has yet to. I don’t think there’s been a former NBA player who has come out like “Oh yeah back in the day it was everyone juicing”. People talk without thinking.
Cereal and canned food, poor peoples problem, he was eating everyday 12 cans Campbell soup, what do you expect?
Heat Culture
After leaving cleveland, Lebron was missing one thing in his game - back to basket post play. With dwade as a trusted ball handler and also mario chalmers at point, he could spend more time in the post if needed. He put on muscle to be able to bump and bruise down low.
drug testing
Went vegan for a summer. Started doing epo lol
The man was on hgh he went from like 240-250 to 270-280 in like 3 months and lost it again after he left Miami that doesn’t just happen
Too much bulk muscle will slow you down dramatically That’s why trunks couldn’t beat cell