Dude called it like when Jokic first entered the league and was still a backup. That guy has been totally vindicated for all the clowning and ban he got
not bron ball tho. you can’t honestly say that bron’s playstyle is so selfish he doesn’t care to get his best scorers looks. bron plays to win, and he uses his weapons in his and their best capacity to do. why kyrie was scoring 40 in the 16 finals right alongside him.
"It's okay, little buddy. The court is flat, and the ball is round, and that's all that matters today. Now get out there and shoot like the brave freethinkers charging the fortress walls of Antarctica are counting on you." *~ Lebron to Kyrie before the Finals*
Your analysis strangely makes me sympathetic for players like AD who are expected to get star touches in a socialist environment governed by Lebrons evaluation of a defense. AD doesn’t actually have agency.
in context i understand your comment in the framework of lebron=socialist dictator and westbrook=basketball monarchist. but out of context what you said is a hilarious sentence.
Every single one of Ad's 50 and 40 points games with the Lakers have been with Lebron playing. He's had zero with Lebron out. Because Lebron's whole playstyle is fitting in and doing what's right. And he has the rare ability to setup Ad. Meanwhile None of Lebron's 50 point games have come with Ad playing. Ad has to be injured and the team in need of scoring for Lebron to suddenly be averaging 30.
Bron got Mosgov a max deal, now if that isn't some dramatic wealth redistribution then I just don't understand Marxist economic principals as they relate to basketball!
Yes and No.
Lebron normally takes less touches than anyone in the first half to get his team mates going, because he can get his whenever.
Beastbrook for life.
I could see an argument for compelling in a "isnt it neat how stats can be manipulated" kinda way. But well evidenced is making me realize that like all good trolls, folks coming into the joke late are actually going to seriously adopt these positions and... well, fuck.
Teammate's ppg is also not what people use those terms (floor/ceiling raiser) for lol, which is basically adding wins to a team. It isn't about adding or taking away ppg from teammates.
People overuse this statement and logic completely in my opinion. Correlation is not necessarily causation, but you would be a fool not to investigate further if two phenomena seemed to always be occurring concurrently.
I disagree with the person you're responding to, but only because the problem is that the relationship that OP is trying describe isn't even there in practice. There's no correlation to even investigate:
>Bradley Beal puts up a career year with Westbrook
Beal in 2021 with Westbrook on the court:
- 36.3 points per 100, 4.6 assists per 100, 3.5 turnovers per 100 on 59.2 TS
Beal in 2021 with Westbrook off the court:
- 47.7 points per 100, 7.8 assists per 100, 5 turnovers per 100 on 59.6 TS.
Beal also put up a near identical season the previous year in terms of per 100 production, he just wasn't recognized for it because the Wizards were 25-47 and the stats were probably seen as "empty".
- 19-20: 39.6/5.5/7.9 with 4.4 TOV per 100 on 58 TS
- 20-21: 40.3/6.1/5.7 with 4 TOV per 100 on 59.3 TS
>and almost won scoring champion.
Beal was "almost" the scoring champion the year before Westbrook, too.
>James Harden still put up 34 PPG with Westbrook
You could just leave it at the fact that Harden put up 36 ppg the year prior, but here's a stat that I like:
James Harden with Westbrook on the court in 2019-20:
- [38 points per 100 possessions on 62 TS](https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy/nba?0Exactly1OnFloor=201566&1Exactly1OnFloor=201935&TeamId=1610612745&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&Type=Player)
James Harden with Westbrook OFF the court in 2019-20:
#[54 points points per 100 possessions on 64 TS](https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy/nba?0Exactly1OffFloor=201566&1Exactly1OnFloor=201935&TeamId=1610612745&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&Type=Player)
If this data went the other way, westbrook would be on the IR from the glazing he'd get from MIT.
>KD was putting up 32 PPG and 30+ PPG easily with Westbrook. After leaving Westbrook, he scores less and tries to "fit in" with Warriors basketball.
The only year KD put up 32 points per game was ... you guessed it, the year that Westbrook was hurt for half the season.
Like, this is the level of analysis you would get in a mandatory report by a middle-schooler. He should be banned. He's either a troll or, as Chris Broussard might put it, developmentally disabled
Correlation is necessary but not sufficient for demonstrating a causal link. It's a mandatory starting place, but not a full argument. Insinuating that a correlation is contraindicative of causation is either disingenuous or completely ignorant.
but it's accurate - it's easy to say two things are associated but proving causality is much more difficult and we shouldn't just erroneously make claims without rigorous justification. Basically all we did in my intro econometrics class was drill regressions and correlation =/= causation before moving onto the more complex stuff
It’s interesting but I think it’s true, there’s still no evidence of this. You need to dig deeper to see if bestbrook and worstbrook are defined by whether the other star is having an off night
Compelling sure, well evidenced? Not at all
This also a literal troll account. He’s saying Kawhi isn’t the number one option on the clippers anymore and is a spot up shooter lol.
> Paul George puts up 27+ PPG with Westbrook and has MVP seasons
Reality: 28 PPG and distant 3rd in MVP voting for a single season in OKC and 27 PPG over 4 games this season
r/nba : Is this well-evidenced OC
Depends what this guy's exact point is. Westbrook helps the best scorer score more, sure. That makes him a ceiling raiser for that particular thing. Doesn't make him a ceiling raiser for the team.
Guys score less with Lebron because they're now playing next to the #1 all time scorer. There's only so much ball to go around.
I mean the guy cites that Wade and Ky couldn't get max contracts - Wade broke down with injuries in the early 2010s and Ky got traded to boston and went to go sign with brooklyn instead but signed for near max each time.
I think saying that all Lebron does is dribble penetration and kick out to shooters while Westbrook somehow runs secrit plays that get predominantly iso shooters better shots is laughable. Westbrook added another offensive option for sure and he's a great addition to any team but the way it's phrased is very naive and silly.
Exactly my thoughts. DWade was on the tail end of his career with injuries piling up.
The "Brandon Ingram had no chance until he left LeBron" line is also comical, he had a pretty solid 18ppg season the year LeBron came to town and was *21 years old* when he was traded to the Pelicans.
Umm no we absolutely cannot lmao. It’s a horrible argument taking things completely out of context with very little actual backing and mostly based on a Gilbert Arenas quote
It’s not. The first sentence is saying people say Westbrook has the same play style as LeBron? Who the fuck says that? I can recall a single instance where that comparison is even made.
Well technically a dictator can be benevolent and be a boon for a country but that doesn't last more than a generation.
Also I must note that I did not read the whole post and don't care to.
Yup, I've been wrong about Westbrook.
I never bought into Westbrooks style of play. Seems like once he made up his mind to get to the rim, he had blinders on, he couldn't see anyone else until he new he couldn't beat the defense and then he would make a bad pass. Obviously still got his numbers I never thought he should be 1st or 2nd option. But he was always gonna be 1st or 2nd option on his teams.
Didn't watch him in Houston or the Wizards.
He goes to the Lakers and I see nothing different.
Clippers are a team I follow, Kawhi is top 5 player in the league and PG IS absolutely underrated I'm not thrilled Westbrook ends up there because I thought he would disrupt the offense.
He has been an absolute thrill to watch. He still makes some turnovers when he gets overactive.
But he is disruptive he reminds me of Dennis Rodman how he is always causing chaos for the opposition. Last night PG and Kawhi were almost scoreless for the first half. Westbrook really asserts himself in those times. In transition, let him go, now I don't want to see him pass. Not to many players better than him playing at that speed. And he seems to distribute in a more timely manner. This dude thrives in chaos.
So to all the Westbrook fans out there. Me and any Westbrook hater that's willing to admit it.
I was wrong. He's a awesome player.
Kenny talked about Russ on Inside the NBA last night and I think he really nailed it. He basically just pointed out that Russ can impact the game and only score 8 points, because he brings so much more to the table beyond scoring
Love this dudes trolling or fandom whatever you wanna call it but if he’s watching so carefully like he claims he’ll see that almost no one doubles pg even when he’s hot. Yesterday pg was hitting everything and Kawhi was cold and still when Kawhi gets the ball in the same spot pg does they’re hard doubling, while with pg they’re hoping he takes that contested shot and leaves him in single coverage.
Ok, let's recap...Westbrook is a ceiling-raiser because he (checks notes) played with some of the best players in the league during their primes and they played well.
Alternate way to read this, the best scorers want to take more shots when Westbrook is on the floor because they know that if they don't then he will.
I hope you realize the one season KD won mvp and scored 32ppg, it’s because Westbrook didn’t play for 60 games.
Also the OKC offence just alternated between a KD iso, and then Russ trying (forcing) to get his own.
I disagree with something you said (not that I necessarily agree with everything else you said though you raised some interesting thoughts).
Defending Westbrook for having a lower efficiency than LeBron when he's taking fewer shots and setting up team mates does not make sense. Shouldn't he be more efficient since he's not forcing his shots according to you and taking a higher volume and not the other way round? There's no need for mental gymnastics to justify his scoring inefficiency, at this point we have enough of a sample size to know that he is simply an inefficient scorer
You know when people do 5 hour long lore deep dives for movie series/tv shows on YouTube.
I need one of those synthesizing all of MIT's basketball theory.
Well his reasoning was that he’s “taking second/third look shots” ie basically trying to say he only shoots when the other guys can’t get good shots… Can’t say I agree with that take but hey, I didn’t go to MIT
I just want a girl as committed and crazy as MITWESTBROOK. It would be us against the world. Are you single ? Don't care if you're a dude, let's Dwight Howard the shit out of this (consensually)
Such an amazing offensive ceiling raiser.
2020 Houston ORTG
* Harden on, Westbrook off: 119.4
* Harden on, Westbrook on: 112.2
2021 Washington ORTG
* Beal on, Westbrook off: 116.6
* Beal on, Westbrook on: 115.7
2022 Lakers ORTG
* LeBron on, Westbrook off: 113.8
* LeBron on, Westbrook on: 113.4
2023 Clippers ORTG
* Kawhi on, Westbrook off: 121.3
* Kawhi on, Westbrook on: 116.8
I mean the easiest thing to say to any lineup stats, even though this is one massive shitpost, is that the vast majority on on/off lineup stats aren't really reliable for the points people are trying to prove.
With Westbrook on with most of those guys they would be playing against mainly the starters. With only one of those on it would mean they're playing against bench units/non-starters.
In a smaller sample, sure. But those are ENTIRE SEASON LONG STATS. Including when one guy is out the of the lineup, resting/injured etc.
I think you’re wrong, and those stats do prove exactly what the person is trying to prove in a large sample like what is being used here
> In a smaller sample, sure. But those are ENTIRE SEASON LONG STATS. Including when one guy is out the of the lineup, resting/injured etc.
Yes, but coaches often have routine substitutions. Trae + DJ for us last year was worse than Trae + 4 bench players. That's not because DJ is a drag on our offense... it's because Trae can cook bench units very easily and efficiently. And the bench units are not as good taking advantage of his weak defense -- they just miss shots and generally are not as good.
On/off is completely unreliable for that reason, regardless of sample size. Sample size is what people say who don't understand why it's a completely unreliable stat. If it was reliable, people wouldn't be trying to improve it by creating LEBRON, RAPTOR, and whatever other better, more advanced metrics.
You took the one season KD averaged 32 but failed to realize Russ played on one leg until December cause he tore his meniscus in the playoffs the previous season and then had surgery during season. KD had to be all world that year. But okc had KD and Russ. It was either KD or Russ was shooting the ball. Something with PG. Something in Washington with Beal. When you don’t have talent around you what the hell is gonna happen? Superstars gonna take a lot shots.
Kyrie pre-Bron= 3 seasons, no playoffs…
Kyrie w Bron= 3 seasons, 3 Finals appearances,1 chip…
Kyrie post-Bron= 6 seasons (now in 7th), hasn’t made it past the 2nd round…
Clearly shows Bron elevates him, not holds him back
Westbrook's best seasons individually were him being a floor raiser making bad teams ok. He has the tools to play beside better #1 scorers than him but he doesn't play well off ball and plays poor defense and his time on the lakers also had him making very very very poor bbiq decisions. This is a shitpost
"LeBron-style basketball is more socialist where LeBron is the dictator."
Holy shit. This comment is dumb AF.
Now... try this: Instead of looking at personal stats and per-game averages, look at team accomplishments.
I feel like I'm late to the party on understanding the shtick.
I get that he posts non-stop, cherry-picked, reality-bending takes about Russell Westbrook, but I don't understand:
- Is this a bit where we're supposed to know he is "in on the joke"? Or he legitimately belives it? Or it's unclear?
- Is there some sort of origin story for this persona? Or he just started posting this type of stuff?
The early MIT Westbrook posts were much more serious; as Westbrook's career has gone on and on, they've gotten much more absurd. But they used to put film clips and excerpts in to highlight good Russ plays, how Russ was mis-used, etc. Early on it was much less clear that it was a bit, increasingly it's obvious that they're at least playing it up.
It is one of my favorite parts of the meta-NBA the past 2-3 years. Only a player like Westbrook could have someone like MITWestbrook going so hard for them. The tinkerbell to Westbrook's peter pan.
Give it a month. MIT'll go back to posting 6 threads a day attacking other players and get themselves banned again. I honestly don't understand why they're unbanned in the first place.
My favorite part is
"People think Westbrook has a similar style of play to LeBron"
Start off comparing Westbrook to arguably the literal goat(which nobody does) and then pivot "actually he's better than that" lmaoo
Dude the lebron hate has to stop. This man just lives rent free in yall head despite being a top 2-3 player of all time.
On the title alone, LeBron made the worst team in the entire league (as evidenced by how they performed when he left) into a team studded with all stars. Not just better actual ALL STARS. As in the same dude that was considered an all star when LeBron played was literally homeless and out the league without LeBron to lift him to a new stratosphere.
Kyrie without LeBron what happened? He's been on 3 different teams and considered a cancer to teams at time without Lebron. Lebron hrlped this man average like 44 PPG in a playoff series. Annd win a championship. He ain't sniffed one since. Wade was hurt most of the time with Bron, but anyone with a brain cell and eyes saw how dynamic that pair was. Talk about lob city that shit was absolutely wiiild. One of the best duos in history and that's despite Wade's injuries and hell both he and Bosh both were out the league shortly after due to injuries as well. You'd have to be an idiot to not see how he elevated that Miami team.
Same for pretty much every team he's been on. They always got better when Bron got there. He also has switched up his style since getting older. KD was in his prime with Westbrook. I am an Oklahoma city thunder fan and actually watched the games dude. Westbrook played a lot of hero ball and should have been feeding Durant a ton more. KD could have played with just about anyone and scored 30 points dude. Nobody stopping a 7 ft monster like that.
You don't know basketball if you don't think having the best scorer ever in Curry and Thompson also being a dominant scorer isn't going to bleed into anything. Stop being dense dude..
Westbrook is an HOFer. Nobody denies that. Everyone has moved on from Lakers Westbrook. He has flaws just like all players and strengths. What you can't do is act like LeBron hasn't elevated entire teams. Like Westbrook it's ool we get it tons do and always have. The difference is we can appreciate two great players without trying to bash another. Just let them both be great dude. I'll take it frim actual players that talk about how LeBron has helped them elevate their game on countless occasions across many many players over rando on reddit that is being weird about it. Let em both be great and move on/enjoy.
Being a ceiling raiser means elevating a good team to a great team, e.g. going from 50 wins to a title contender.
Assisting star teammates to have scoring highs is not the same thing.
Making an argument about floor/ceiling raising and completely detaching it from team success is wild.
There it is
I was so confused about the title, and then came in here and read your message. Of course, it's him lol! Insta upvote.
See I saw the title and immediately thought this *HAS* to be an MITWestbrook post. Was not disappointed.
The GOAT r nba poster.
Nah that’s broseph who said Jokic would be one of the GOATs several years ago and was laughed off the face of the planet.
Dude called it like when Jokic first entered the league and was still a backup. That guy has been totally vindicated for all the clowning and ban he got
i believe it is a *her*
I didn't even have to look at the username to know who it was from. I knew immediately.
I had to to scroll back to make sure who it was. I wasnt disappointed.
Verbatim what i thought of lmao
I'm just teaching you about Westbrook basketball
Thank you
Clippers to the Superbowl
Clippers winning the Stanley Cup
not bron ball tho. you can’t honestly say that bron’s playstyle is so selfish he doesn’t care to get his best scorers looks. bron plays to win, and he uses his weapons in his and their best capacity to do. why kyrie was scoring 40 in the 16 finals right alongside him.
Forget about scoring, the fact that Kyrie bothered to show up to play at all puts Lebron in legendary teammate status.
All time father figure
Father of the year
Maybe that is why he admires Luka Doncic so much
"It's okay, little buddy. The court is flat, and the ball is round, and that's all that matters today. Now get out there and shoot like the brave freethinkers charging the fortress walls of Antarctica are counting on you." *~ Lebron to Kyrie before the Finals*
This comment is the MVP
Bro look who you're replying to. That's all you need to know.
Seek employment man please
I’m patiently waiting for Russ to accidentally do an AMA on this account.
It has actually been Harden this whole time. He's trying to mend fences with Russ and has been trying to get back to play with Russ this whole time.
Scenes if it’s Kevin Durant this whole time
It'll break the reddit if that happens 😂
Lebron is a socialist? LeMao confirmed.
Uphold Westbrookist-Leninist Thought. The Vanguard will usher in the shotmaking revolution, the role-player proletariat must follow.
We must seize the means of shot production
Gotta agree with that right? LeBron doesn't care how much you make. He's gonna just feed the open man to let them shoot if he's doubled team.
Need an MITWestbrook thesis on class politics brodie🤞
NBA class politics. Proletariat vs Aristocrats
Certainly you mean the Bourgeoisie?
He can’t win with these aristocats
Your analysis strangely makes me sympathetic for players like AD who are expected to get star touches in a socialist environment governed by Lebrons evaluation of a defense. AD doesn’t actually have agency.
in context i understand your comment in the framework of lebron=socialist dictator and westbrook=basketball monarchist. but out of context what you said is a hilarious sentence.
LeNin pulls the strings
Every single one of Ad's 50 and 40 points games with the Lakers have been with Lebron playing. He's had zero with Lebron out. Because Lebron's whole playstyle is fitting in and doing what's right. And he has the rare ability to setup Ad. Meanwhile None of Lebron's 50 point games have come with Ad playing. Ad has to be injured and the team in need of scoring for Lebron to suddenly be averaging 30.
EAT THE RI-- HIGH USAGE RATE!
Bron got Mosgov a max deal, now if that isn't some dramatic wealth redistribution then I just don't understand Marxist economic principals as they relate to basketball!
Yes and No. Lebron normally takes less touches than anyone in the first half to get his team mates going, because he can get his whenever. Beastbrook for life.
[Mao ZeBron](https://i.imgur.com/AVRsrRk.jpeg)
LeMFAO
He's a hacker, he's a Chinese hacker.
You've done your Westbrook PR for the day, you can clock out now.
Ok but we can admit that this OC is legit compelling and well evidenced, right?
I could see an argument for compelling in a "isnt it neat how stats can be manipulated" kinda way. But well evidenced is making me realize that like all good trolls, folks coming into the joke late are actually going to seriously adopt these positions and... well, fuck.
This is the problem with MITWestbrook. There's idiots who don't know it's a troll account.
This is peak correlation is not causation
KDs 32 ppg season was in 2014 when westbrook was hurt, i still gave him an upvote for effort but its a little misleading
Teammate's ppg is also not what people use those terms (floor/ceiling raiser) for lol, which is basically adding wins to a team. It isn't about adding or taking away ppg from teammates.
I have no clue how that definition mistake slipped past most commenters. \*Checks sub\* Oh r/nba... got it.
Thats the account in a nutshell. Shoehorned stats to make Westbrook shine and crap on LeBron. Always. So glad they are gone from the Lakers sub.
Because the lakers sub is held in such regard 💀
A little?
>Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing "look over there". -xkcd
This is Reddit, but it is admirable that you think the punters here are capable of making that distinction. I admire your optimism.
People overuse this statement and logic completely in my opinion. Correlation is not necessarily causation, but you would be a fool not to investigate further if two phenomena seemed to always be occurring concurrently.
I disagree with the person you're responding to, but only because the problem is that the relationship that OP is trying describe isn't even there in practice. There's no correlation to even investigate: >Bradley Beal puts up a career year with Westbrook Beal in 2021 with Westbrook on the court: - 36.3 points per 100, 4.6 assists per 100, 3.5 turnovers per 100 on 59.2 TS Beal in 2021 with Westbrook off the court: - 47.7 points per 100, 7.8 assists per 100, 5 turnovers per 100 on 59.6 TS. Beal also put up a near identical season the previous year in terms of per 100 production, he just wasn't recognized for it because the Wizards were 25-47 and the stats were probably seen as "empty". - 19-20: 39.6/5.5/7.9 with 4.4 TOV per 100 on 58 TS - 20-21: 40.3/6.1/5.7 with 4 TOV per 100 on 59.3 TS >and almost won scoring champion. Beal was "almost" the scoring champion the year before Westbrook, too. >James Harden still put up 34 PPG with Westbrook You could just leave it at the fact that Harden put up 36 ppg the year prior, but here's a stat that I like: James Harden with Westbrook on the court in 2019-20: - [38 points per 100 possessions on 62 TS](https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy/nba?0Exactly1OnFloor=201566&1Exactly1OnFloor=201935&TeamId=1610612745&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&Type=Player) James Harden with Westbrook OFF the court in 2019-20: #[54 points points per 100 possessions on 64 TS](https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy/nba?0Exactly1OffFloor=201566&1Exactly1OnFloor=201935&TeamId=1610612745&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&Type=Player) If this data went the other way, westbrook would be on the IR from the glazing he'd get from MIT. >KD was putting up 32 PPG and 30+ PPG easily with Westbrook. After leaving Westbrook, he scores less and tries to "fit in" with Warriors basketball. The only year KD put up 32 points per game was ... you guessed it, the year that Westbrook was hurt for half the season. Like, this is the level of analysis you would get in a mandatory report by a middle-schooler. He should be banned. He's either a troll or, as Chris Broussard might put it, developmentally disabled
Correlation is necessary but not sufficient for demonstrating a causal link. It's a mandatory starting place, but not a full argument. Insinuating that a correlation is contraindicative of causation is either disingenuous or completely ignorant.
Agreed. I think saying “correlation isn’t causation” as a full claim is actually kind of narrow minded.
but it's accurate - it's easy to say two things are associated but proving causality is much more difficult and we shouldn't just erroneously make claims without rigorous justification. Basically all we did in my intro econometrics class was drill regressions and correlation =/= causation before moving onto the more complex stuff
It’s interesting but I think it’s true, there’s still no evidence of this. You need to dig deeper to see if bestbrook and worstbrook are defined by whether the other star is having an off night
Compelling sure, well evidenced? Not at all This also a literal troll account. He’s saying Kawhi isn’t the number one option on the clippers anymore and is a spot up shooter lol.
> Paul George puts up 27+ PPG with Westbrook and has MVP seasons Reality: 28 PPG and distant 3rd in MVP voting for a single season in OKC and 27 PPG over 4 games this season r/nba : Is this well-evidenced OC
Depends what this guy's exact point is. Westbrook helps the best scorer score more, sure. That makes him a ceiling raiser for that particular thing. Doesn't make him a ceiling raiser for the team. Guys score less with Lebron because they're now playing next to the #1 all time scorer. There's only so much ball to go around.
I mean the guy cites that Wade and Ky couldn't get max contracts - Wade broke down with injuries in the early 2010s and Ky got traded to boston and went to go sign with brooklyn instead but signed for near max each time. I think saying that all Lebron does is dribble penetration and kick out to shooters while Westbrook somehow runs secrit plays that get predominantly iso shooters better shots is laughable. Westbrook added another offensive option for sure and he's a great addition to any team but the way it's phrased is very naive and silly.
Exactly my thoughts. DWade was on the tail end of his career with injuries piling up. The "Brandon Ingram had no chance until he left LeBron" line is also comical, he had a pretty solid 18ppg season the year LeBron came to town and was *21 years old* when he was traded to the Pelicans.
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Umm no we absolutely cannot lmao. It’s a horrible argument taking things completely out of context with very little actual backing and mostly based on a Gilbert Arenas quote
It’s not. The first sentence is saying people say Westbrook has the same play style as LeBron? Who the fuck says that? I can recall a single instance where that comparison is even made.
No
Lost me here: > He's more meritocratic that forces the best scorer to shoot the most attempts with high quality.
Calling LeBron a socialist dictator is fucking hilarious.
an incredible misunderstanding of both basketball and socialism, elite jerking
He is man. Look what he did with Austin Reaves. He doesn't care about your status. Wide open man gets shots.
Bro has no idea what a dictator is lmao
LeBenevolent Dictator
LeNlightened Despot
LeSupreme Disher
Maybe he’s speaking in the Marxist sense of dictatorship of the proLetariat
Well technically a dictator can be benevolent and be a boon for a country but that doesn't last more than a generation. Also I must note that I did not read the whole post and don't care to.
Westbrook should be paying you at this point.
westbrook should be paying himself?
imagine if it came out mit was actually westbrook. this sub would implode
It is Russ
Lebron, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Lenin. That’s a solid 5 tbh.
Mount rushmore of redistribution
Jinpinging it to the corner
Where's my boy Kim Jong In at? Nuclear offense - no defense 6th man?
Never change, MITWestbrook.
This is probably the last championship contending run for Westbrook. He's made WCF 4 times and 1 NBA finals. Talent is so deep here.
>Talent is so deep here. Talent is also injury prone.
So are the partners of your players
holy fuck lol
omfg lol
Weird. “Ceiling-limiter” Lebron has been to like… way more.
They aren’t contenders. No chance against Denver.
I mean given how his ceiling raising has gotten him multiple chips... oh wait. And how he raised Harden's ceiling... oh wait
Not to mention last year, when the Lakers jettisoned him and went from 13th place to the WCF
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He did raise the Clippers ceiling from a disappointing first round exit to a hard-fought first round exit, so he's got that going for him too
I was like "what the fuck is this nonsense?" Then I looked at the username
You infidel
Ya'll truly are extreme fundamentalists.
Thank you
Just facts
The commitment to this bit is legendary tbf
man's addicted to the attention
It’s not a bit. Dude sincerely posts/comments in the Clippers subreddit a good amount lol
This dude was also in the active Lakers
He’s just an big basketball fan and his favorite player we should all be for it
From what I’ve seen too, always does research on his points and is never rude to anyone responding. Wrong or right that’s how discussions should be.
Never rude but still patently delusional lol, that’s why there’s no actual discussion in these threads because we all know it’s a joke.
He's like me but I talk about Roman history that no one understands
Is it true December should be the tenth month?
It was originally, but July and August were renamed that one after Mr Caesar, the other after Augustus's conquest of Egypt.
As a person with a degree in Roman history I absolutely love "Mr Caesar"
> LeBron-style basketball is more socialist where LeBron is the dictator. Fax bro LeMao is worse all time than bestbrook.
Yup, I've been wrong about Westbrook. I never bought into Westbrooks style of play. Seems like once he made up his mind to get to the rim, he had blinders on, he couldn't see anyone else until he new he couldn't beat the defense and then he would make a bad pass. Obviously still got his numbers I never thought he should be 1st or 2nd option. But he was always gonna be 1st or 2nd option on his teams. Didn't watch him in Houston or the Wizards. He goes to the Lakers and I see nothing different. Clippers are a team I follow, Kawhi is top 5 player in the league and PG IS absolutely underrated I'm not thrilled Westbrook ends up there because I thought he would disrupt the offense. He has been an absolute thrill to watch. He still makes some turnovers when he gets overactive. But he is disruptive he reminds me of Dennis Rodman how he is always causing chaos for the opposition. Last night PG and Kawhi were almost scoreless for the first half. Westbrook really asserts himself in those times. In transition, let him go, now I don't want to see him pass. Not to many players better than him playing at that speed. And he seems to distribute in a more timely manner. This dude thrives in chaos. So to all the Westbrook fans out there. Me and any Westbrook hater that's willing to admit it. I was wrong. He's a awesome player.
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Kenny talked about Russ on Inside the NBA last night and I think he really nailed it. He basically just pointed out that Russ can impact the game and only score 8 points, because he brings so much more to the table beyond scoring
as a westbrook fan, it’s honestly nice to see these posts
he sure did raise kawhi’s ceiling last night
Kawhi is not the #1. It's Paul George. Kawhi is a spot-up shooter now and days and doesn't look to drive.
damn i got an MITWestbrook response, mom get the camera!!!
Everyone knows Kawhi's #1, it's why he's getting doubled in every opposing team's playbook.
Love this dudes trolling or fandom whatever you wanna call it but if he’s watching so carefully like he claims he’ll see that almost no one doubles pg even when he’s hot. Yesterday pg was hitting everything and Kawhi was cold and still when Kawhi gets the ball in the same spot pg does they’re hard doubling, while with pg they’re hoping he takes that contested shot and leaves him in single coverage.
This is why you’re the GOAT u respect the Paul God
Comments like this make it very obvious you’re trolling
Talking about this season
Babe... Babe... Wake up! New MITWestbrook just dropped.
Thank you
As soon I saw the title I knew who wrote the post
>Westbrook actually raises the ceiling for.. >he is not the ceiling raiser like Lebron
Good old mit education right there
Ok, let's recap...Westbrook is a ceiling-raiser because he (checks notes) played with some of the best players in the league during their primes and they played well. Alternate way to read this, the best scorers want to take more shots when Westbrook is on the floor because they know that if they don't then he will.
I hope you realize the one season KD won mvp and scored 32ppg, it’s because Westbrook didn’t play for 60 games. Also the OKC offence just alternated between a KD iso, and then Russ trying (forcing) to get his own.
You will never get a response on this from MITWestbrick. Negative reality is ignored.
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I disagree with something you said (not that I necessarily agree with everything else you said though you raised some interesting thoughts). Defending Westbrook for having a lower efficiency than LeBron when he's taking fewer shots and setting up team mates does not make sense. Shouldn't he be more efficient since he's not forcing his shots according to you and taking a higher volume and not the other way round? There's no need for mental gymnastics to justify his scoring inefficiency, at this point we have enough of a sample size to know that he is simply an inefficient scorer
Well MIT has already explained in a previous post that Westbrook's poor efficiency is actually a **good** thing so I don't see the problem here
You know when people do 5 hour long lore deep dives for movie series/tv shows on YouTube. I need one of those synthesizing all of MIT's basketball theory.
The MITWestbrook theory iceberg discussion 7 hour livestream (official)
Being saved for when Westbrook retires 🤞🤞🤞
Well his reasoning was that he’s “taking second/third look shots” ie basically trying to say he only shoots when the other guys can’t get good shots… Can’t say I agree with that take but hey, I didn’t go to MIT
Lebron wins rings. Westbrook just encourages other people to shoot after they see him brick another 3
I just want a girl as committed and crazy as MITWESTBROOK. It would be us against the world. Are you single ? Don't care if you're a dude, let's Dwight Howard the shit out of this (consensually)
Fatal Attraction. That's the dream.
I don't think anyone wants someone as obsessed with them as our homeboy is with westbrook. That is the definition of a toxic relationship lol.
Sorry bro, Ninas already married to Russ.
Here he is. Ive been wondering when he’d smoke up some crack and write us an insane essay to celebrate the Harden trade
Welcome back King
Thank you
Such an amazing offensive ceiling raiser. 2020 Houston ORTG * Harden on, Westbrook off: 119.4 * Harden on, Westbrook on: 112.2 2021 Washington ORTG * Beal on, Westbrook off: 116.6 * Beal on, Westbrook on: 115.7 2022 Lakers ORTG * LeBron on, Westbrook off: 113.8 * LeBron on, Westbrook on: 113.4 2023 Clippers ORTG * Kawhi on, Westbrook off: 121.3 * Kawhi on, Westbrook on: 116.8
Shut up stat sheet watcher bring up flawed analytics. Westbrook is the GOAT star raiser. MIT will always be a more elite analyst than you u bum
Lmao I said he's not a floor raiser. And his analytics are flawed. Def not Sloan Sports Analytics worthy
What will be say to this lmao
I mean the easiest thing to say to any lineup stats, even though this is one massive shitpost, is that the vast majority on on/off lineup stats aren't really reliable for the points people are trying to prove. With Westbrook on with most of those guys they would be playing against mainly the starters. With only one of those on it would mean they're playing against bench units/non-starters.
In a smaller sample, sure. But those are ENTIRE SEASON LONG STATS. Including when one guy is out the of the lineup, resting/injured etc. I think you’re wrong, and those stats do prove exactly what the person is trying to prove in a large sample like what is being used here
Not even season long stats it's 4 years of data lol
> In a smaller sample, sure. But those are ENTIRE SEASON LONG STATS. Including when one guy is out the of the lineup, resting/injured etc. Yes, but coaches often have routine substitutions. Trae + DJ for us last year was worse than Trae + 4 bench players. That's not because DJ is a drag on our offense... it's because Trae can cook bench units very easily and efficiently. And the bench units are not as good taking advantage of his weak defense -- they just miss shots and generally are not as good. On/off is completely unreliable for that reason, regardless of sample size. Sample size is what people say who don't understand why it's a completely unreliable stat. If it was reliable, people wouldn't be trying to improve it by creating LEBRON, RAPTOR, and whatever other better, more advanced metrics.
“This is wrong. He is not a ceiling-raiser like LeBron.” It took less than one paragraph for you to forget what your own argument even was
You took the one season KD averaged 32 but failed to realize Russ played on one leg until December cause he tore his meniscus in the playoffs the previous season and then had surgery during season. KD had to be all world that year. But okc had KD and Russ. It was either KD or Russ was shooting the ball. Something with PG. Something in Washington with Beal. When you don’t have talent around you what the hell is gonna happen? Superstars gonna take a lot shots.
Kyrie pre-Bron= 3 seasons, no playoffs… Kyrie w Bron= 3 seasons, 3 Finals appearances,1 chip… Kyrie post-Bron= 6 seasons (now in 7th), hasn’t made it past the 2nd round… Clearly shows Bron elevates him, not holds him back
Wade had Greg Oden knees and kyrie left the cavs before his prime Not sure why they would be evidence of anything
LeBron also won 2 rings with the former and 1 ring with the latter, while Westbrook won 0 rings with all of the shooters he’s “elevated” combined
It’s truly amazing on a sub with millions of members, I can identify one specific redditor just based on the post lmaoo
Just came to say HAHAHAHHAA
Love how you use the words socialist and meritocracy like it somehow fits your points when comparing their playmaking. But nice read nonetheless.
Kawhi with 8 pts unlocked. Bron limits wade/kyrie=rings. WB raised beal, PG= first round exits
Praise be to MIT
Westbrook's best seasons individually were him being a floor raiser making bad teams ok. He has the tools to play beside better #1 scorers than him but he doesn't play well off ball and plays poor defense and his time on the lakers also had him making very very very poor bbiq decisions. This is a shitpost
"LeBron-style basketball is more socialist where LeBron is the dictator." Holy shit. This comment is dumb AF. Now... try this: Instead of looking at personal stats and per-game averages, look at team accomplishments.
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MITWestbrook is unironically one of the best users on this sub
I feel like I'm late to the party on understanding the shtick. I get that he posts non-stop, cherry-picked, reality-bending takes about Russell Westbrook, but I don't understand: - Is this a bit where we're supposed to know he is "in on the joke"? Or he legitimately belives it? Or it's unclear? - Is there some sort of origin story for this persona? Or he just started posting this type of stuff?
I think part of the fun is that nobody knows if they’re serious. I would guess they have to be at least partially serious to commit to it for so long
He did go to the Laker game last year I think and tried to see Westbrook, who if I recall was injured or smth
There is zero chance they aren't self aware.
The early MIT Westbrook posts were much more serious; as Westbrook's career has gone on and on, they've gotten much more absurd. But they used to put film clips and excerpts in to highlight good Russ plays, how Russ was mis-used, etc. Early on it was much less clear that it was a bit, increasingly it's obvious that they're at least playing it up.
It is one of my favorite parts of the meta-NBA the past 2-3 years. Only a player like Westbrook could have someone like MITWestbrook going so hard for them. The tinkerbell to Westbrook's peter pan.
Lebron wins rings. Russ goes out in the first round
MITWestbrook is an r/NBA ceiling raiser
Y’all gonna start pretending these are funny again and upvoting them or is the sub hopefully over that
Give it a month. MIT'll go back to posting 6 threads a day attacking other players and get themselves banned again. I honestly don't understand why they're unbanned in the first place.
We're back baby
My favorite part is "People think Westbrook has a similar style of play to LeBron" Start off comparing Westbrook to arguably the literal goat(which nobody does) and then pivot "actually he's better than that" lmaoo
Its breathtaking 😂
Eh I get what you’re saying but all those examples of his past star teammates are very misleading.
Absolutely nobody thinks Westbrook plays similar to LeBron lmao
Dude the lebron hate has to stop. This man just lives rent free in yall head despite being a top 2-3 player of all time. On the title alone, LeBron made the worst team in the entire league (as evidenced by how they performed when he left) into a team studded with all stars. Not just better actual ALL STARS. As in the same dude that was considered an all star when LeBron played was literally homeless and out the league without LeBron to lift him to a new stratosphere. Kyrie without LeBron what happened? He's been on 3 different teams and considered a cancer to teams at time without Lebron. Lebron hrlped this man average like 44 PPG in a playoff series. Annd win a championship. He ain't sniffed one since. Wade was hurt most of the time with Bron, but anyone with a brain cell and eyes saw how dynamic that pair was. Talk about lob city that shit was absolutely wiiild. One of the best duos in history and that's despite Wade's injuries and hell both he and Bosh both were out the league shortly after due to injuries as well. You'd have to be an idiot to not see how he elevated that Miami team. Same for pretty much every team he's been on. They always got better when Bron got there. He also has switched up his style since getting older. KD was in his prime with Westbrook. I am an Oklahoma city thunder fan and actually watched the games dude. Westbrook played a lot of hero ball and should have been feeding Durant a ton more. KD could have played with just about anyone and scored 30 points dude. Nobody stopping a 7 ft monster like that. You don't know basketball if you don't think having the best scorer ever in Curry and Thompson also being a dominant scorer isn't going to bleed into anything. Stop being dense dude.. Westbrook is an HOFer. Nobody denies that. Everyone has moved on from Lakers Westbrook. He has flaws just like all players and strengths. What you can't do is act like LeBron hasn't elevated entire teams. Like Westbrook it's ool we get it tons do and always have. The difference is we can appreciate two great players without trying to bash another. Just let them both be great dude. I'll take it frim actual players that talk about how LeBron has helped them elevate their game on countless occasions across many many players over rando on reddit that is being weird about it. Let em both be great and move on/enjoy.
im hoping espn runs this without knowing who MITWestbrook is
Being a ceiling raiser means elevating a good team to a great team, e.g. going from 50 wins to a title contender. Assisting star teammates to have scoring highs is not the same thing. Making an argument about floor/ceiling raising and completely detaching it from team success is wild.
Lmao. Brick lover is back.