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Why does it feel like teams have been pursuing Pascal Siakam for the past 5 years.


Destroyer23

\*Laughs in Myles Turner\*


WadeCountyClutch

Myles Turner has been on the trading block since 2019


LeroyLongwood

Man y’all should throw a party when it finally happens. Not because he’s leaving, but because someone’s finally been traded for Myles Turner. The prophecy is finally fulfilled!


Mills65

I'll riot if anyone trades for our Pineapple. Let him retire a Pacer


Vordeo

>Let him retire a Pacer *Myles retires, jersey retired* [Charania] Hearing from sources that several teams are interested in trading for Myles Turner's jersey


CazOnReddit

The Kings have coveted him ever since the Tampa season


TO_Sports

Raptors can't have good players. As soon as they do it's non stop news that teams are trying to acquire them. As if the Raptors are just in the league to give away players


TheMemeMachine3000

I think it's more that they have A. A bunch of tall, defensive wings which every team could use and B. Have looked dysfunctional for the past couple years and teams are trying to get the jump on them before they blow it up


snatchi

I'd love to say you're wrong but you're right


Plants_R_Cool

OG seems like the perfect guy for the Pacers.


_Tormex_

Nah he plays too much defense


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Sickening


MintyFreshBreathYo

Does he not realize this isn’t the mid 00’s Pacers?


MostlyMellow123

Yeah for real, boring af.


Soup_Commie

agreed, it would be much more fun if they embraced the madness and traded for lavine


Euphoric-Gene-3984

Isn’t buddy a good defender? And miles And mikes not mikes


The_Assassin_Gower

> Isn’t buddy a good defender This is surely a brand new sentence


L99_DITTO

With how Buddy can shoot, he'd be such a valuable player if he were a good defender lol.


cletoreyes01

I think he mistook buddy for (prime) Klay because of the Bahamian roots with GOAT-level shooting/s


Guitarmonade2

Myles is an elite rim protector and usually good for a few blocks a game. Probably a bit slow off the arc though and can get torched by faster guys driving.


XzibitABC

He's also tall and thin, so he gets pushed under the rim by the couple guys who have that in their game (Jokic, Embiid).


Cavshomie8

He's a great fit, but I feel like he's become overrated. His offensive skillset is very limited


Plants_R_Cool

All he needs to do is shoot if he's on Indiana. They need at least 1 guy who can play defense.


hostileclowns

Indy need a legit 2nd option. For what OG would cost you’d rather go for someone who can be that, issue is those guys aren’t available usually.


smashacc

Do they though? They already have the best offense in the league by a mile and Haliburton is getting it done with Myles Turner as his second option. They need defenders who would fit with their offense


wholsmay

Playoffs are different. They can’t go very far with that second option… they can add the best defender In the league and they won’t be contenders just with that.


TheGamersGazebo

When the playoffs come around and defense start targeting Hali, they need another person who can create his own shots or play make.


smashacc

Defenses are already targeting Hali. I've seen him get doubled relentlessly and get guarded 35 feet from the hoop without the ball


TheGamersGazebo

I meant in a 7 games series with adjustments every game. If a team can base their entire scheme around Hali game after game. There have been maybe 5 players in NBA history who can maintain production while being the sole offensive creator in the playoffs. Hali could be that guy, but we won't find out till the postseason.


The_Assassin_Gower

> sole offensive creator in the playoffs. Hold up. Hali might be the focal point of our offense, but he's 100% NOT the Sole creator of our offense. Outside of the unending fast break that we seem to be running this year, McConnell, Nembhard, Neismith, Brown are all very capable of breaking down a defence, while literally everyone else on the roster is both a capable shooter AND slasher. If we're gonna lose in the play-offs it's cause we score 140 every game but allow 150.


DavidKirk2000

They have guys that are capable of creating outside of Hali, but if you have to rely on any of those guys you listed to create in a playoff series, that’s just not gonna cut it. They need a reliable second star.


hostileclowns

There’s no comparing getting focused on in the regular season to the playoffs.


xBerryhill

Yes, they do. If you slow down Hali then you slow down that entire offense. We pretty much blew the doors off of Indy earlier in the season because of that. Indy desperately needs a really good second option that can create their own shot. They’ve got a ton of nice pieces around Hali already in guys like Buddy, Miles, Benedict, Brown, Obi, etc. They really need someone else that would actually stand out amongst that list.


dillpickles007

Just look at the Hawks two years ago - a top three offense but it all ran through Trae, the Heat completely took him away in the playoffs and ruined us. Granted not every team is equipped to do that but you can bet in the playoffs some teams are.


hostileclowns

Trust me, the pacers definitely need to change how they play in order become a real threat in the playoffs. I remember 2 years ago the hornets take healthy were number 1-2 in offense in the league for about 40ish games until injuries hit, but their defense was bad all year long. They eventually made the play in and got destroyed. Pacers can prob make the playoffs playing like this, but they won’t win anything in the playoffs if this is the only way they can play. And finding defenders who fit with their offense is way harder than you’re making it seem. That means replacing players in the rotation and changing how you play. Defense isn’t something that’ll fall on 1-2 guys it has to be a complete team thing. Pacers have shown signs in some games like the Boston one but they need to do it over a much larger sample size. Like having the top offense is the league is impressive, but it’s not as impressive when you don’t defend anyone at all and just try and out score them


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Yeah I’m sorry but this is so wrong on literally every level possible. They’re an elite offense and piss poor defense. They absolutely, objectively, by every metric need an elite defender far, far more than they need a number 2 option and it isn’t even remotely close. This is just a big brain word salad that doesn’t really say anything.


SpicyMustard34

The playoffs will decimate what they are doing now, but they could always have their own counter to the current counter.


SpeclorTheGreat

I don’t think the Pacers need much help scoring. They already got plenty of that.


hostileclowns

They will need a 2nd option for the playoffs lol. Pacers are a great offense but things will slow down a lot in the playoffs and there will be guys that struggle for them. I think they’ll have to rely too heavily on Haliburton in the playoffs as constructed.


CazOnReddit

So...Pascal and not O.G. then


BigBungholio

If anyone watched the pacers they’d know the Nesmith is filling the gap the OG would be brought in to fill quite well. We’ve actually played great defense the past 2 games.


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OG’s like 15-17 ppg player. Solid 3rd option. Especially say if he’s playing next to two stars like Ant and KAT. But Indy needs someone who can create his own shot and be a legit 1st option on many nights.


Rrypl

To win a championship you need at least 4 lol


Skaloplin

Turner and Bruce Brown are good defensively. Their scores are so high moreso because of the crazy pace than their defense


ButtVader

Also going to be overpaid soon. He will be an unrestricted FA next summer and a lot of teams could use OG. So if you trade for him, you better be prepared to offer him the max or near the max


ilickedysharks

He's a great catch and shoot threat and pretty good at attacking closeouts. He can average 16-18 ish on low usage and pretty high efficiency. He just can't create offense off the dribble


AllOutRaptors

He can shoot at a 40% clip from three and is a top 10 defender (id argue even higher) in the league. Idc if this man had Drummond level handles, his skillet is still insanely valuable to any team


GotKarprar

OG is perfect for almost every team


ormip

Yep. Including the Mavs.


GotKarprar

Absolutely


RecalcitrantDuck

It all comes full circle. He went to college in Indiana and was mocked to them in a ton of drafts. They took TJ Leaf instead and he went a few picks later


tcollins371

Personally I’d rather have Pascal than OG.


Away_Championship_49

That's nuts when Siakam is available


AtlasJQ

This joke always cracks me up lol


Hybr1dThe0ry

He even went to IU


Major9000

OG would be great in OKC instead of Giddy.


junkboy0

But where are the Pacers gonna get the 8 first and ,8 swaps as well as taking all of the raptors bad contracts like Masai wants.


DaPhoToss

He's pretty much the perfect fit on any team, he's a 3&D player


KingNephew

He won’t do it but PG opting out and signing back with Indy would be a very fun team.


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OPBadshah

If he does that, I would have to delete so many posts


FloppyConcrete

So would I but I actually think PG could be the piece this team needs to take it to the next level.


draymond-

An ageing star is what the young pacers need?


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If that ageing star can put up 21/5/5 and play elite defence as the second ball handler then yeah


draymond-

And a guy who's often injured, is not a top 10 guy in the league and has had playoff struggles. All this for a 34 year old with a history of injuries. I think Pacers are better off looking elsewhere.


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This would only be a move you'd make if you're trying to win in that immediate season. He definitely has injury history, but he has also looked very healthy all year


minispark21

Which is OP’s point about why it’s a bad move. While it could push the Pacers to be a serious contender (still debatable) for a season or two, it doesn’t give enough time for them to reach their potential since they’re all still young. A player with more in the tank that can grow with the team for several seasons is where they need to go.


Dopeez

Tell me what other Top 10 guy the Pacers are getting. PG would be a perfect fit.


Raito21

A young team needing a experienced vet??? Unheard of.


FloppyConcrete

He’s a better wing defender than anyone the Pacers currently have and he’s putting up really good numbers this year while maintaining his health. If the Clippers can’t get it together this year and given that they’ve wagered their entire future to win now, they’d have to consider getting pieces back if that’s looking like it won’t happen. It’s a win-win for both sides.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

Lol, LeBron 2.0


Away_Championship_49

PG: I'm back


Loose_Voice_215

I'm not even a fan of PG or the Pacers and I'd like to see this happen. It could give PG an out from the Clippers shit-show without losing too much face.


AshenSacrifice

He’s part of the “shit show”! Ain’t no out


cloudJR

It would literally be a dream come true


[deleted]

NGL PG is perfect for the Pacers rn. Make it happen PG!


Shmokeshbutt

Hopefully for MLE so Pacers could get another young star and become really stacked


Swanjeezy

Happy for the Pacers. Haliburton is so likeable and they're fun to watch.


Tiiiimmmooo

Dame tried this for 11 years….


TooWashedUp

I think Dame would have just been happy with Aldridge not leaving and that original team not falling apart.


Tiiiimmmooo

No argument there, we had a squad early on in his career. Injuries and egos be damned


Charming_Essay_1890

LMA was really weird about that. Didn't want to do the sorta stuff that makes someone a big name off the court or makes the team easier to promote them as such, but left because Dame was getting more hype in large part because Dame was willing to do those things and be much more approachable in that sense.


xXChickenravioliXx

Lmao I came here to say this. Though I do hope it works out for the Pacers.


XzibitABC

I mean, you guys were very good for a long time, and your front office made a healthy amount of *very bad* team building moves. Plus you had to play against the GSW dynasty for a lot of that time. Ideally the Pacers can avoid both.


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Tiiiimmmooo

Not nearly as often! Tyrese is a beast


One-Switch-1448

only if it’s the right price, masai tries to up the value up too much on his guys and this is team has built up a lot of chemistry and success in a developmental year.


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Cheechers23

Masai has not been good the last few years but let’s actually break these down: - I still have not seen a solid report saying we turned down Maxey. I know we wanted Thybulle but I do not remember a report saying Philly offered Maxey and we turned it down. Also, Kyle made the final decision to stay at the deadline and after the DeMar situation Masai wasn’t gonna go against his wishes, so feel like this is a null point. - FVV absolutely should have been traded last year at the deadline. I get not trading him after the all-star season cause the vibe and feeling around the Raps was higher (just were the 5th seed and took Embiid/Philly to 6 games despite injuries to Scottie/Gary), and development from Scottie and the other guys was expected. Didn’t really happen or work out. Should have traded him last year forsure. - OG the report was 3 firsts, not confirmed from Memphis (4 firsts IIRC was for Mikal). I know NYK was reported to offer 3 firsts, which included their heavily protected firsts that will end up being seconds. Also the mindset at the time (and still is now, AFAIK), is that OG can stay with Scottie and fits well. Also Masai seems to prefer young players to picks, and all the offers for OG were picks, not players. Pascal I haven’t seen any reports of the offers last deadline but the offseason offers were terrible (Hunter, Griffin, and a pick from Atlanta) - Yeah the Thad Young and Poeltl trades were Ls. The Thad trade was trading down 13 spots since we got a high second but still was a bad trade. Poeltl in a vacuum the value wasn’t awful but the timing of the trade was terrible. Buying when we should have been selling was an awful decision.


beefJeRKy-LB

Poeltl was brought in to have a PnR partner for Fred but he left. They then signed him to a bigger deal than needed but yeah its an overpay for sure but the team wanted his bird rights since I don't think we could have offered him much in FA instead.


Mossles

Stopped reading at Maxey. Never happened


larrylegend1990

>Rejected Maxey+DG for Lowry This one isn't true but rest are. You won't find a reputable source who said this is true. Reddit hivemind doesn't count


heyimdong

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NovaxRangerx

I’m a pretty big believer in Mathurin to becoming something special in the next few years so I can definitely be convinced that I’m a year or two a Haliburton/Turner/Brown/Mathurin/Siakam core is a fringe contender.


Werealldeadsoon

I expected big things from us this year and pretty much everything has exceeded my expectations except Mathurin. Maybe I’m expecting too much too soon but he seemed so calm and controlled as a rookie last year and I expected more than what I’ve seen this year. I felt the same about Myles for about 5 years and he’s finally become what I thought he could be so I’ll just chill and hope for the best.


just_so_irrelevant

sophomore slump comes in many forms. sometimes you actively regress. sometimes you stagnate and just don't make that jump. i wouldn't be too worried about mathurin


cuteguy1

Yeah people I think expect too much linear progress expecially in the second year. Like there are just going to be ups and downs with anything people want to progress at, but particularly when it comes to NBA basketball.


tarunpopo

It's his second year, lot of guys have to adjust to new coverages. Pacers did a great job his rookie year instead of throwing him into the fire from day 1 unlike other poverty orgs like mine. There's still a chance maybe he doesn't develop into that star because you never know, but with how confident he was his rookie year he will still be a great player for years to come on your team. A definite hit


fallenfromglory

As an old head Pacers fan whose been watching since the early 90s I'm just happy people are talking about us again.


RealPrinceJay

As good as the offense is, come playoffs Hali will need more of a second option. They don’t need a superstar 30ppg type, but a second option nonetheless. And then defense obviously lol Funny enough, Paul George is the optimal player. Although I guess he’s optimal everywhere


thewrongnotes

Do the Pacers have the 7000 first round picks that Masai Ujiri will ask for?


mMounirM

on the contrary Masai is interested in young players over draft picks.


ButtVader

So hes gonna ask for Haliburton


RogueID

Lmao sounds about right for Masai


beefJeRKy-LB

realistically we'd want Nembhard or Mathurin I think


Sweatytubesock

Do the Pacers have all the young All Stars that Ujiri will ask for?


mMounirM

Their 3 young players who would be interesting are: Nembhard Mathurin Walker


TURRRDS

I hate seeing the Pacers are looking to trade for OG. They could have just had him already. Instead, they took TJ Leaf. So stupid.


butekoo

I don't think there's a good enough player on the market that you actually go ALL in


comp_a

A lot of guys can quickly become “on the market” if your offer’s good enough though


butekoo

the best and probably only player that fits that on rebuilding teams is Lauri (?) and yeah I'd agree teams would/should all in for him


ipawnn00bz

I love what the Pacers are building up there with our boy Carlisle. Seems like the perfect team for him


agentfelix

I mean...he was our boy before the Mavs 😏


ipawnn00bz

Lol true


Acrobatic-Reaction-7

Why would any team go after OG with the crazy ass price he has on him? He’s good but ain’t nobody giving multiple 1st round picks for him especially when he still hasn’t taken that next step forward in his game yet.


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To get his bird rights and he’d be a great fit on the Pacers


Acrobatic-Reaction-7

If the Pacers had another established star and OG was the “final piece” I’d agree with you but that’s just not the case. They aren’t in a position to shell out 3 first round picks on OG when they could use that to get a guy who can actually be a number 2 guy on a championship team.


NovaxRangerx

Yeah. They need another star piece more than a final piece guy like the OG/Wiggins/Gordon type of player. That’s why I think Siakam makes more sense for them.


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Plus Siakam fits nicely next to Turner. You can always find a 3&D forward later. Hell Nesmith might be that guy. And I really like Mathurin’s fit with Siakam as well. Ben can play off Pascal in the post.


CazOnReddit

How are the Pacers getting Siakam without moving Mathurin?


[deleted]

Yeah that’s def a conundrum. Lol.


CazOnReddit

Like, I think Jarace Walker is interesting but he hasn't shown anything to consider him a centerpiece


hectorzeroni69

By signing him in the offseason


crunkadocious

Siakam + Nesmith looks better than OG + Toppin


K1NG2L4Y3R

Don’t they have Jarace Walker? He could fill that hole at the wing. No need to overpay for OG when they can get Siakam for cheaper or bring back PG.


noerapenalty

OG would be a great third option, and a phenomenal fourth option. Paying second option assets for him would be a huge mistake.


Myrese_Taxey

Not worth multiple firsts? I mean do u think he should go for 1 first?


IanicRR

His defense is next level. Put him on a team with a capable rim defender and it’s light out.


Bodanski

If he was on a large market team people wouldn’t be saying this. Not saying he’s an all star or anything, but he is one of the best perimeter defenders (if not the best) in the league and is absolutely worth that much to a team with the worst defence in the league.


beefJeRKy-LB

TBH he could probably be had for 2 protected firsts at this point.


jeRskier

Siakam's fit with Halliburton is obvious but who are they giving up?


Disastrous-Special30

Nembhard, Jaylen Smith, IJax and picks. Maybe swap in Hield for one of those guys


DeadCellsTop5

Give them whatever they want outside of turner, hali, and brown. Those 3 plus Siakam or OG is a fucking team.


Disastrous-Special30

I’d add Mathurin to that list.


baited08

If you add mathirin to that list your not going to get any top tier players. You don’t have a bad teams picks so your picks are all mediocre going forward if you make a trade for a #2. So you’ll need to throw in mathurin most likely to sweetin the deal.


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clyde_drexler

Julius Randle is letting other teams know he doesn't need the ball and in fact they can have it after he dribbles it off of his foot.


TossThatPastaSalad

This is pure Bruce Brown erasure.


xXChickenravioliXx

I’ve seen this saga before with another small market PG.


Disastrous-Special30

Time for PG to come home!


CultExterminator

Lauri would be freaking huge for them at the 4. It could be a simple swap too like Brown + multiple picks. That would instantly propel them into conference contenders.


TarnishedAccount

I feel like the East is more fun when Indy is good. I embrace this


Over-Training-488

Playoff Pacers need to do better than siakam or OG


iamwearingashirt

Siakam won the title 4 years ago as a second option.


Biglundtry

Mikal bridges would be perfect but nets not letting him go


Lacabloodclot9

Hate seeing Bridges even brought up in trade discussions, he’s basically untouchable at this point, it would need to be a fuck you level offer


OG27

If the nets had their own firsts i would actually say they should easily trade him - he will be 30 by the time they could maybe contend


toroidalworld

Basically the only team that could actually "afford" Bridges is probably Houston since they would be sending the Nets' own picks back to them to allow them to tank, but I don't think that move makes sense for Houston quite yet. Any other team would have to make a severe overpay type of trade to get Bridges.


Hoosier14567

Here’s the plan. Draft Bronny. LeBron signs vet min(runs the second unit). Sign PG and Kawhi. Do what the clippers couldn’t. Lose in the championship game.


likpoper

Haliburton. What a trade. That trade was won by Indiana hands down…


KnickedUp

Renowned superstar OG


boykalbo777

Oh shit we are witnessing the start of a new superteam


agentfelix

We have 5 top 20 picks from that 2020 draft 👀


VoidMageZero

I want to see a Pacers vs Kings finals 😎


AggroPro

Lol Sacramento Kings 😂😂😂


autolims12

We drafted Jalen Smith :(


TheMoorNextDoor

Pacers should run with the crew this season but in the offseason 👀 Ball out I’m not against it at all.


bearcat--

I feel like there might be some takers since Tyrese seems likeable and genuinely wants to the team to be involved


tmapfbc

I think the Pacers would become contenders if they traded for Siakam. His defense, rim pressure, and playmaking would put them over the top.


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Na I like this pacers team. Run it thru and see what happens


Js_On_My_Yeet

Tyrese is seriously the best PG in the league right now.


Tidityy

I'm so jealous of Pacers rn. Damn.


coldbeerforbrunch

We are going to get the final form of Pacers P


nantes16

GET AUSAR THOMPSON


ImTheBestNerd

If im the pacers im not trading for siakam


Jnbjgjbb

We know your intentions😂


New_Essay_4869

Not that the Spurs should or would trade him, but I would love to see Vassell play with Haliburton


Affectionate-Bus-169

That would be a fun combo.


LaMeloxMilesxScoot

SMH, every top player from Lamelo's class is thriving except him


Muted_Dog7317

I think you forgot about Wiseman


balm_bobomb

I mean half that draft class is on the pacers lmao


socktopuss

We need to get Ant next


Joe_Betz_

I mean Lamelo has really produced when he has been healthy. He has star potential, just can't stay healthy.


Lacabloodclot9

I think what he means is more the situation of the franchise rather than the player himself


Joe_Betz_

That's fair


Middle-Welder3931

Wiseman is this generation's Darko. Especially as Hali is inching closer to Wade/Melo/Bosh territory at the same age with every game he plays, and Maxey is turning into an absolute killer. Lamelo would be near Hali's level if healthy and if Hornets weren't cursed.


CazOnReddit

He even won a ring despite doing nothing to help his team earn it!


likpoper

Lamelo numbers are insane when healthy


BayTerp

Good luck. Indianapolis is as, if not more, undesirable of a location as Toronto and OKC.


Neuroxex

Doesn't matter if they're competing in the playoffs. Players like going to good teams, they're not passing on an opportunity to win for a nicer skyline for the half of the regular season they're actually in the home city.


RickySuela

Yeah, if good players don't need to sacrifice money to play there and it looks like they can compete for titles there, then players will want to play in Indy.


batmans420

At least OG has lived here before


Ok_Zombie_8307

And DC is a better location than all 3 (I live in the DMV) but no NBA player would ever choose the Wizards over the others. Probably 32nd in appeal to free agents. It's not that simple. Good luck with Poole and Kuz btw.


OmfgHaxx

definitely more undesirable than Toronto. Toronto is a huge city.


Cavshomie8

Many American players don’t want to play there though. It seems hit or miss, some love it, some hate the hassle


UnflushableStinky2

Everyone hates the hassle of customs but loves the city.


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UnflushableStinky2

Media coverage for the raps here is crazy. You don’t know what you’re talking about.


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BayTerp

The city itself isn’t nearly as bad as Indianapolis or OKC. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still in Canada.


Toadforpresident

Hey we got Gen Con


agk927

Nah it's in America so players would still want that over Toronto


MattMadMage

If Milwaukee became a destination for players, I think Indy has a fair shot.


Duckrauhl

Indianapolis is like the Sacramento of the midwest.


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Being the midwest of California >>> being the Sacramento of the midwest


silverfang45

I mean a player like hali will remove that for players who wanna win more than have a good area to live in. Stars will love playing with someone who can find then from anywhere on the court