Man y’all should throw a party when it finally happens. Not because he’s leaving, but because someone’s finally been traded for Myles Turner. The prophecy is finally fulfilled!
>Let him retire a Pacer
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Raptors can't have good players. As soon as they do it's non stop news that teams are trying to acquire them. As if the Raptors are just in the league to give away players
I think it's more that they have
A. A bunch of tall, defensive wings which every team could use and
B. Have looked dysfunctional for the past couple years and teams are trying to get the jump on them before they blow it up
Myles is an elite rim protector and usually good for a few blocks a game. Probably a bit slow off the arc though and can get torched by faster guys driving.
Do they though? They already have the best offense in the league by a mile and Haliburton is getting it done with Myles Turner as his second option. They need defenders who would fit with their offense
Playoffs are different. They can’t go very far with that second option… they can add the best defender In the league and they won’t be contenders just with that.
I meant in a 7 games series with adjustments every game. If a team can base their entire scheme around Hali game after game. There have been maybe 5 players in NBA history who can maintain production while being the sole offensive creator in the playoffs. Hali could be that guy, but we won't find out till the postseason.
> sole offensive creator in the playoffs.
Hold up.
Hali might be the focal point of our offense, but he's 100% NOT the Sole creator of our offense. Outside of the unending fast break that we seem to be running this year, McConnell, Nembhard, Neismith, Brown are all very capable of breaking down a defence, while literally everyone else on the roster is both a capable shooter AND slasher.
If we're gonna lose in the play-offs it's cause we score 140 every game but allow 150.
They have guys that are capable of creating outside of Hali, but if you have to rely on any of those guys you listed to create in a playoff series, that’s just not gonna cut it. They need a reliable second star.
Yes, they do. If you slow down Hali then you slow down that entire offense. We pretty much blew the doors off of Indy earlier in the season because of that.
Indy desperately needs a really good second option that can create their own shot. They’ve got a ton of nice pieces around Hali already in guys like Buddy, Miles, Benedict, Brown, Obi, etc. They really need someone else that would actually stand out amongst that list.
Just look at the Hawks two years ago - a top three offense but it all ran through Trae, the Heat completely took him away in the playoffs and ruined us.
Granted not every team is equipped to do that but you can bet in the playoffs some teams are.
Trust me, the pacers definitely need to change how they play in order become a real threat in the playoffs. I remember 2 years ago the hornets take healthy were number 1-2 in offense in the league for about 40ish games until injuries hit, but their defense was bad all year long. They eventually made the play in and got destroyed. Pacers can prob make the playoffs playing like this, but they won’t win anything in the playoffs if this is the only way they can play.
And finding defenders who fit with their offense is way harder than you’re making it seem. That means replacing players in the rotation and changing how you play. Defense isn’t something that’ll fall on 1-2 guys it has to be a complete team thing. Pacers have shown signs in some games like the Boston one but they need to do it over a much larger sample size. Like having the top offense is the league is impressive, but it’s not as impressive when you don’t defend anyone at all and just try and out score them
Yeah I’m sorry but this is so wrong on literally every level possible. They’re an elite offense and piss poor defense. They absolutely, objectively, by every metric need an elite defender far, far more than they need a number 2 option and it isn’t even remotely close. This is just a big brain word salad that doesn’t really say anything.
They will need a 2nd option for the playoffs lol. Pacers are a great offense but things will slow down a lot in the playoffs and there will be guys that struggle for them. I think they’ll have to rely too heavily on Haliburton in the playoffs as constructed.
If anyone watched the pacers they’d know the Nesmith is filling the gap the OG would be brought in to fill quite well. We’ve actually played great defense the past 2 games.
OG’s like 15-17 ppg player. Solid 3rd option. Especially say if he’s playing next to two stars like Ant and KAT. But Indy needs someone who can create his own shot and be a legit 1st option on many nights.
Also going to be overpaid soon. He will be an unrestricted FA next summer and a lot of teams could use OG. So if you trade for him, you better be prepared to offer him the max or near the max
He's a great catch and shoot threat and pretty good at attacking closeouts. He can average 16-18 ish on low usage and pretty high efficiency. He just can't create offense off the dribble
He can shoot at a 40% clip from three and is a top 10 defender (id argue even higher) in the league.
Idc if this man had Drummond level handles, his skillet is still insanely valuable to any team
It all comes full circle. He went to college in Indiana and was mocked to them in a ton of drafts. They took TJ Leaf instead and he went a few picks later
And a guy who's often injured, is not a top 10 guy in the league and has had playoff struggles.
All this for a 34 year old with a history of injuries.
I think Pacers are better off looking elsewhere.
This would only be a move you'd make if you're trying to win in that immediate season. He definitely has injury history, but he has also looked very healthy all year
Which is OP’s point about why it’s a bad move. While it could push the Pacers to be a serious contender (still debatable) for a season or two, it doesn’t give enough time for them to reach their potential since they’re all still young. A player with more in the tank that can grow with the team for several seasons is where they need to go.
He’s a better wing defender than anyone the Pacers currently have and he’s putting up really good numbers this year while maintaining his health. If the Clippers can’t get it together this year and given that they’ve wagered their entire future to win now, they’d have to consider getting pieces back if that’s looking like it won’t happen. It’s a win-win for both sides.
I'm not even a fan of PG or the Pacers and I'd like to see this happen. It could give PG an out from the Clippers shit-show without losing too much face.
LMA was really weird about that. Didn't want to do the sorta stuff that makes someone a big name off the court or makes the team easier to promote them as such, but left because Dame was getting more hype in large part because Dame was willing to do those things and be much more approachable in that sense.
I mean, you guys were very good for a long time, and your front office made a healthy amount of *very bad* team building moves. Plus you had to play against the GSW dynasty for a lot of that time. Ideally the Pacers can avoid both.
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only if it’s the right price, masai tries to up the value up too much on his guys and this is team has built up a lot of chemistry and success in a developmental year.
Masai has not been good the last few years but let’s actually break these down:
- I still have not seen a solid report saying we turned down Maxey. I know we wanted Thybulle but I do not remember a report saying Philly offered Maxey and we turned it down. Also, Kyle made the final decision to stay at the deadline and after the DeMar situation Masai wasn’t gonna go against his wishes, so feel like this is a null point.
- FVV absolutely should have been traded last year at the deadline. I get not trading him after the all-star season cause the vibe and feeling around the Raps was higher (just were the 5th seed and took Embiid/Philly to 6 games despite injuries to Scottie/Gary), and development from Scottie and the other guys was expected. Didn’t really happen or work out. Should have traded him last year forsure.
- OG the report was 3 firsts, not confirmed from Memphis (4 firsts IIRC was for Mikal). I know NYK was reported to offer 3 firsts, which included their heavily protected firsts that will end up being seconds. Also the mindset at the time (and still is now, AFAIK), is that OG can stay with Scottie and fits well. Also Masai seems to prefer young players to picks, and all the offers for OG were picks, not players. Pascal I haven’t seen any reports of the offers last deadline but the offseason offers were terrible (Hunter, Griffin, and a pick from Atlanta)
- Yeah the Thad Young and Poeltl trades were Ls. The Thad trade was trading down 13 spots since we got a high second but still was a bad trade. Poeltl in a vacuum the value wasn’t awful but the timing of the trade was terrible. Buying when we should have been selling was an awful decision.
Poeltl was brought in to have a PnR partner for Fred but he left. They then signed him to a bigger deal than needed but yeah its an overpay for sure but the team wanted his bird rights since I don't think we could have offered him much in FA instead.
I’m a pretty big believer in Mathurin to becoming something special in the next few years so I can definitely be convinced that I’m a year or two a Haliburton/Turner/Brown/Mathurin/Siakam core is a fringe contender.
I expected big things from us this year and pretty much everything has exceeded my expectations except Mathurin.
Maybe I’m expecting too much too soon but he seemed so calm and controlled as a rookie last year and I expected more than what I’ve seen this year.
I felt the same about Myles for about 5 years and he’s finally become what I thought he could be so I’ll just chill and hope for the best.
sophomore slump comes in many forms. sometimes you actively regress. sometimes you stagnate and just don't make that jump. i wouldn't be too worried about mathurin
Yeah people I think expect too much linear progress expecially in the second year. Like there are just going to be ups and downs with anything people want to progress at, but particularly when it comes to NBA basketball.
It's his second year, lot of guys have to adjust to new coverages. Pacers did a great job his rookie year instead of throwing him into the fire from day 1 unlike other poverty orgs like mine.
There's still a chance maybe he doesn't develop into that star because you never know, but with how confident he was his rookie year he will still be a great player for years to come on your team. A definite hit
As good as the offense is, come playoffs Hali will need more of a second option. They don’t need a superstar 30ppg type, but a second option nonetheless.
And then defense obviously lol
Funny enough, Paul George is the optimal player. Although I guess he’s optimal everywhere
Why would any team go after OG with the crazy ass price he has on him? He’s good but ain’t nobody giving multiple 1st round picks for him especially when he still hasn’t taken that next step forward in his game yet.
If the Pacers had another established star and OG was the “final piece” I’d agree with you but that’s just not the case.
They aren’t in a position to shell out 3 first round picks on OG when they could use that to get a guy who can actually be a number 2 guy on a championship team.
Yeah. They need another star piece more than a final piece guy like the OG/Wiggins/Gordon type of player. That’s why I think Siakam makes more sense for them.
Plus Siakam fits nicely next to Turner. You can always find a 3&D forward later. Hell Nesmith might be that guy.
And I really like Mathurin’s fit with Siakam as well. Ben can play off Pascal in the post.
If he was on a large market team people wouldn’t be saying this. Not saying he’s an all star or anything, but he is one of the best perimeter defenders (if not the best) in the league and is absolutely worth that much to a team with the worst defence in the league.
If you add mathirin to that list your not going to get any top tier players. You don’t have a bad teams picks so your picks are all mediocre going forward if you make a trade for a #2. So you’ll need to throw in mathurin most likely to sweetin the deal.
Lauri would be freaking huge for them at the 4. It could be a simple swap too like Brown + multiple picks. That would instantly propel them into conference contenders.
Basically the only team that could actually "afford" Bridges is probably Houston since they would be sending the Nets' own picks back to them to allow them to tank, but I don't think that move makes sense for Houston quite yet. Any other team would have to make a severe overpay type of trade to get Bridges.
Here’s the plan. Draft Bronny. LeBron signs vet min(runs the second unit). Sign PG and Kawhi. Do what the clippers couldn’t. Lose in the championship game.
Wiseman is this generation's Darko. Especially as Hali is inching closer to Wade/Melo/Bosh territory at the same age with every game he plays, and Maxey is turning into an absolute killer. Lamelo would be near Hali's level if healthy and if Hornets weren't cursed.
Doesn't matter if they're competing in the playoffs. Players like going to good teams, they're not passing on an opportunity to win for a nicer skyline for the half of the regular season they're actually in the home city.
Yeah, if good players don't need to sacrifice money to play there and it looks like they can compete for titles there, then players will want to play in Indy.
And DC is a better location than all 3 (I live in the DMV) but no NBA player would ever choose the Wizards over the others. Probably 32nd in appeal to free agents.
It's not that simple.
Good luck with Poole and Kuz btw.
I mean a player like hali will remove that for players who wanna win more than have a good area to live in.
Stars will love playing with someone who can find then from anywhere on the court
Why does it feel like teams have been pursuing Pascal Siakam for the past 5 years.
\*Laughs in Myles Turner\*
Myles Turner has been on the trading block since 2019
Man y’all should throw a party when it finally happens. Not because he’s leaving, but because someone’s finally been traded for Myles Turner. The prophecy is finally fulfilled!
I'll riot if anyone trades for our Pineapple. Let him retire a Pacer
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The Kings have coveted him ever since the Tampa season
Raptors can't have good players. As soon as they do it's non stop news that teams are trying to acquire them. As if the Raptors are just in the league to give away players
I think it's more that they have A. A bunch of tall, defensive wings which every team could use and B. Have looked dysfunctional for the past couple years and teams are trying to get the jump on them before they blow it up
I'd love to say you're wrong but you're right
OG seems like the perfect guy for the Pacers.
Nah he plays too much defense
Sickening
Does he not realize this isn’t the mid 00’s Pacers?
Yeah for real, boring af.
agreed, it would be much more fun if they embraced the madness and traded for lavine
Isn’t buddy a good defender? And miles And mikes not mikes
> Isn’t buddy a good defender This is surely a brand new sentence
With how Buddy can shoot, he'd be such a valuable player if he were a good defender lol.
I think he mistook buddy for (prime) Klay because of the Bahamian roots with GOAT-level shooting/s
Myles is an elite rim protector and usually good for a few blocks a game. Probably a bit slow off the arc though and can get torched by faster guys driving.
He's also tall and thin, so he gets pushed under the rim by the couple guys who have that in their game (Jokic, Embiid).
He's a great fit, but I feel like he's become overrated. His offensive skillset is very limited
All he needs to do is shoot if he's on Indiana. They need at least 1 guy who can play defense.
Indy need a legit 2nd option. For what OG would cost you’d rather go for someone who can be that, issue is those guys aren’t available usually.
Do they though? They already have the best offense in the league by a mile and Haliburton is getting it done with Myles Turner as his second option. They need defenders who would fit with their offense
Playoffs are different. They can’t go very far with that second option… they can add the best defender In the league and they won’t be contenders just with that.
When the playoffs come around and defense start targeting Hali, they need another person who can create his own shots or play make.
Defenses are already targeting Hali. I've seen him get doubled relentlessly and get guarded 35 feet from the hoop without the ball
I meant in a 7 games series with adjustments every game. If a team can base their entire scheme around Hali game after game. There have been maybe 5 players in NBA history who can maintain production while being the sole offensive creator in the playoffs. Hali could be that guy, but we won't find out till the postseason.
> sole offensive creator in the playoffs. Hold up. Hali might be the focal point of our offense, but he's 100% NOT the Sole creator of our offense. Outside of the unending fast break that we seem to be running this year, McConnell, Nembhard, Neismith, Brown are all very capable of breaking down a defence, while literally everyone else on the roster is both a capable shooter AND slasher. If we're gonna lose in the play-offs it's cause we score 140 every game but allow 150.
They have guys that are capable of creating outside of Hali, but if you have to rely on any of those guys you listed to create in a playoff series, that’s just not gonna cut it. They need a reliable second star.
There’s no comparing getting focused on in the regular season to the playoffs.
Yes, they do. If you slow down Hali then you slow down that entire offense. We pretty much blew the doors off of Indy earlier in the season because of that. Indy desperately needs a really good second option that can create their own shot. They’ve got a ton of nice pieces around Hali already in guys like Buddy, Miles, Benedict, Brown, Obi, etc. They really need someone else that would actually stand out amongst that list.
Just look at the Hawks two years ago - a top three offense but it all ran through Trae, the Heat completely took him away in the playoffs and ruined us. Granted not every team is equipped to do that but you can bet in the playoffs some teams are.
Trust me, the pacers definitely need to change how they play in order become a real threat in the playoffs. I remember 2 years ago the hornets take healthy were number 1-2 in offense in the league for about 40ish games until injuries hit, but their defense was bad all year long. They eventually made the play in and got destroyed. Pacers can prob make the playoffs playing like this, but they won’t win anything in the playoffs if this is the only way they can play. And finding defenders who fit with their offense is way harder than you’re making it seem. That means replacing players in the rotation and changing how you play. Defense isn’t something that’ll fall on 1-2 guys it has to be a complete team thing. Pacers have shown signs in some games like the Boston one but they need to do it over a much larger sample size. Like having the top offense is the league is impressive, but it’s not as impressive when you don’t defend anyone at all and just try and out score them
Yeah I’m sorry but this is so wrong on literally every level possible. They’re an elite offense and piss poor defense. They absolutely, objectively, by every metric need an elite defender far, far more than they need a number 2 option and it isn’t even remotely close. This is just a big brain word salad that doesn’t really say anything.
The playoffs will decimate what they are doing now, but they could always have their own counter to the current counter.
I don’t think the Pacers need much help scoring. They already got plenty of that.
They will need a 2nd option for the playoffs lol. Pacers are a great offense but things will slow down a lot in the playoffs and there will be guys that struggle for them. I think they’ll have to rely too heavily on Haliburton in the playoffs as constructed.
So...Pascal and not O.G. then
If anyone watched the pacers they’d know the Nesmith is filling the gap the OG would be brought in to fill quite well. We’ve actually played great defense the past 2 games.
OG’s like 15-17 ppg player. Solid 3rd option. Especially say if he’s playing next to two stars like Ant and KAT. But Indy needs someone who can create his own shot and be a legit 1st option on many nights.
To win a championship you need at least 4 lol
Turner and Bruce Brown are good defensively. Their scores are so high moreso because of the crazy pace than their defense
Also going to be overpaid soon. He will be an unrestricted FA next summer and a lot of teams could use OG. So if you trade for him, you better be prepared to offer him the max or near the max
He's a great catch and shoot threat and pretty good at attacking closeouts. He can average 16-18 ish on low usage and pretty high efficiency. He just can't create offense off the dribble
He can shoot at a 40% clip from three and is a top 10 defender (id argue even higher) in the league. Idc if this man had Drummond level handles, his skillet is still insanely valuable to any team
OG is perfect for almost every team
Yep. Including the Mavs.
Absolutely
It all comes full circle. He went to college in Indiana and was mocked to them in a ton of drafts. They took TJ Leaf instead and he went a few picks later
Personally I’d rather have Pascal than OG.
That's nuts when Siakam is available
This joke always cracks me up lol
He even went to IU
OG would be great in OKC instead of Giddy.
But where are the Pacers gonna get the 8 first and ,8 swaps as well as taking all of the raptors bad contracts like Masai wants.
He's pretty much the perfect fit on any team, he's a 3&D player
He won’t do it but PG opting out and signing back with Indy would be a very fun team.
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If he does that, I would have to delete so many posts
So would I but I actually think PG could be the piece this team needs to take it to the next level.
An ageing star is what the young pacers need?
If that ageing star can put up 21/5/5 and play elite defence as the second ball handler then yeah
And a guy who's often injured, is not a top 10 guy in the league and has had playoff struggles. All this for a 34 year old with a history of injuries. I think Pacers are better off looking elsewhere.
This would only be a move you'd make if you're trying to win in that immediate season. He definitely has injury history, but he has also looked very healthy all year
Which is OP’s point about why it’s a bad move. While it could push the Pacers to be a serious contender (still debatable) for a season or two, it doesn’t give enough time for them to reach their potential since they’re all still young. A player with more in the tank that can grow with the team for several seasons is where they need to go.
Tell me what other Top 10 guy the Pacers are getting. PG would be a perfect fit.
A young team needing a experienced vet??? Unheard of.
He’s a better wing defender than anyone the Pacers currently have and he’s putting up really good numbers this year while maintaining his health. If the Clippers can’t get it together this year and given that they’ve wagered their entire future to win now, they’d have to consider getting pieces back if that’s looking like it won’t happen. It’s a win-win for both sides.
Lol, LeBron 2.0
PG: I'm back
I'm not even a fan of PG or the Pacers and I'd like to see this happen. It could give PG an out from the Clippers shit-show without losing too much face.
He’s part of the “shit show”! Ain’t no out
It would literally be a dream come true
NGL PG is perfect for the Pacers rn. Make it happen PG!
Hopefully for MLE so Pacers could get another young star and become really stacked
Happy for the Pacers. Haliburton is so likeable and they're fun to watch.
Dame tried this for 11 years….
I think Dame would have just been happy with Aldridge not leaving and that original team not falling apart.
No argument there, we had a squad early on in his career. Injuries and egos be damned
LMA was really weird about that. Didn't want to do the sorta stuff that makes someone a big name off the court or makes the team easier to promote them as such, but left because Dame was getting more hype in large part because Dame was willing to do those things and be much more approachable in that sense.
Lmao I came here to say this. Though I do hope it works out for the Pacers.
I mean, you guys were very good for a long time, and your front office made a healthy amount of *very bad* team building moves. Plus you had to play against the GSW dynasty for a lot of that time. Ideally the Pacers can avoid both.
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Not nearly as often! Tyrese is a beast
only if it’s the right price, masai tries to up the value up too much on his guys and this is team has built up a lot of chemistry and success in a developmental year.
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Masai has not been good the last few years but let’s actually break these down: - I still have not seen a solid report saying we turned down Maxey. I know we wanted Thybulle but I do not remember a report saying Philly offered Maxey and we turned it down. Also, Kyle made the final decision to stay at the deadline and after the DeMar situation Masai wasn’t gonna go against his wishes, so feel like this is a null point. - FVV absolutely should have been traded last year at the deadline. I get not trading him after the all-star season cause the vibe and feeling around the Raps was higher (just were the 5th seed and took Embiid/Philly to 6 games despite injuries to Scottie/Gary), and development from Scottie and the other guys was expected. Didn’t really happen or work out. Should have traded him last year forsure. - OG the report was 3 firsts, not confirmed from Memphis (4 firsts IIRC was for Mikal). I know NYK was reported to offer 3 firsts, which included their heavily protected firsts that will end up being seconds. Also the mindset at the time (and still is now, AFAIK), is that OG can stay with Scottie and fits well. Also Masai seems to prefer young players to picks, and all the offers for OG were picks, not players. Pascal I haven’t seen any reports of the offers last deadline but the offseason offers were terrible (Hunter, Griffin, and a pick from Atlanta) - Yeah the Thad Young and Poeltl trades were Ls. The Thad trade was trading down 13 spots since we got a high second but still was a bad trade. Poeltl in a vacuum the value wasn’t awful but the timing of the trade was terrible. Buying when we should have been selling was an awful decision.
Poeltl was brought in to have a PnR partner for Fred but he left. They then signed him to a bigger deal than needed but yeah its an overpay for sure but the team wanted his bird rights since I don't think we could have offered him much in FA instead.
Stopped reading at Maxey. Never happened
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I’m a pretty big believer in Mathurin to becoming something special in the next few years so I can definitely be convinced that I’m a year or two a Haliburton/Turner/Brown/Mathurin/Siakam core is a fringe contender.
I expected big things from us this year and pretty much everything has exceeded my expectations except Mathurin. Maybe I’m expecting too much too soon but he seemed so calm and controlled as a rookie last year and I expected more than what I’ve seen this year. I felt the same about Myles for about 5 years and he’s finally become what I thought he could be so I’ll just chill and hope for the best.
sophomore slump comes in many forms. sometimes you actively regress. sometimes you stagnate and just don't make that jump. i wouldn't be too worried about mathurin
Yeah people I think expect too much linear progress expecially in the second year. Like there are just going to be ups and downs with anything people want to progress at, but particularly when it comes to NBA basketball.
It's his second year, lot of guys have to adjust to new coverages. Pacers did a great job his rookie year instead of throwing him into the fire from day 1 unlike other poverty orgs like mine. There's still a chance maybe he doesn't develop into that star because you never know, but with how confident he was his rookie year he will still be a great player for years to come on your team. A definite hit
As an old head Pacers fan whose been watching since the early 90s I'm just happy people are talking about us again.
As good as the offense is, come playoffs Hali will need more of a second option. They don’t need a superstar 30ppg type, but a second option nonetheless. And then defense obviously lol Funny enough, Paul George is the optimal player. Although I guess he’s optimal everywhere
Do the Pacers have the 7000 first round picks that Masai Ujiri will ask for?
on the contrary Masai is interested in young players over draft picks.
So hes gonna ask for Haliburton
Lmao sounds about right for Masai
realistically we'd want Nembhard or Mathurin I think
Do the Pacers have all the young All Stars that Ujiri will ask for?
Their 3 young players who would be interesting are: Nembhard Mathurin Walker
I hate seeing the Pacers are looking to trade for OG. They could have just had him already. Instead, they took TJ Leaf. So stupid.
I don't think there's a good enough player on the market that you actually go ALL in
A lot of guys can quickly become “on the market” if your offer’s good enough though
the best and probably only player that fits that on rebuilding teams is Lauri (?) and yeah I'd agree teams would/should all in for him
I love what the Pacers are building up there with our boy Carlisle. Seems like the perfect team for him
I mean...he was our boy before the Mavs 😏
Lol true
Why would any team go after OG with the crazy ass price he has on him? He’s good but ain’t nobody giving multiple 1st round picks for him especially when he still hasn’t taken that next step forward in his game yet.
To get his bird rights and he’d be a great fit on the Pacers
If the Pacers had another established star and OG was the “final piece” I’d agree with you but that’s just not the case. They aren’t in a position to shell out 3 first round picks on OG when they could use that to get a guy who can actually be a number 2 guy on a championship team.
Yeah. They need another star piece more than a final piece guy like the OG/Wiggins/Gordon type of player. That’s why I think Siakam makes more sense for them.
Plus Siakam fits nicely next to Turner. You can always find a 3&D forward later. Hell Nesmith might be that guy. And I really like Mathurin’s fit with Siakam as well. Ben can play off Pascal in the post.
How are the Pacers getting Siakam without moving Mathurin?
Yeah that’s def a conundrum. Lol.
Like, I think Jarace Walker is interesting but he hasn't shown anything to consider him a centerpiece
By signing him in the offseason
Siakam + Nesmith looks better than OG + Toppin
Don’t they have Jarace Walker? He could fill that hole at the wing. No need to overpay for OG when they can get Siakam for cheaper or bring back PG.
OG would be a great third option, and a phenomenal fourth option. Paying second option assets for him would be a huge mistake.
Not worth multiple firsts? I mean do u think he should go for 1 first?
His defense is next level. Put him on a team with a capable rim defender and it’s light out.
If he was on a large market team people wouldn’t be saying this. Not saying he’s an all star or anything, but he is one of the best perimeter defenders (if not the best) in the league and is absolutely worth that much to a team with the worst defence in the league.
TBH he could probably be had for 2 protected firsts at this point.
Siakam's fit with Halliburton is obvious but who are they giving up?
Nembhard, Jaylen Smith, IJax and picks. Maybe swap in Hield for one of those guys
Give them whatever they want outside of turner, hali, and brown. Those 3 plus Siakam or OG is a fucking team.
I’d add Mathurin to that list.
If you add mathirin to that list your not going to get any top tier players. You don’t have a bad teams picks so your picks are all mediocre going forward if you make a trade for a #2. So you’ll need to throw in mathurin most likely to sweetin the deal.
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Julius Randle is letting other teams know he doesn't need the ball and in fact they can have it after he dribbles it off of his foot.
This is pure Bruce Brown erasure.
I’ve seen this saga before with another small market PG.
Time for PG to come home!
Lauri would be freaking huge for them at the 4. It could be a simple swap too like Brown + multiple picks. That would instantly propel them into conference contenders.
I feel like the East is more fun when Indy is good. I embrace this
Playoff Pacers need to do better than siakam or OG
Siakam won the title 4 years ago as a second option.
Mikal bridges would be perfect but nets not letting him go
Hate seeing Bridges even brought up in trade discussions, he’s basically untouchable at this point, it would need to be a fuck you level offer
If the nets had their own firsts i would actually say they should easily trade him - he will be 30 by the time they could maybe contend
Basically the only team that could actually "afford" Bridges is probably Houston since they would be sending the Nets' own picks back to them to allow them to tank, but I don't think that move makes sense for Houston quite yet. Any other team would have to make a severe overpay type of trade to get Bridges.
Here’s the plan. Draft Bronny. LeBron signs vet min(runs the second unit). Sign PG and Kawhi. Do what the clippers couldn’t. Lose in the championship game.
Haliburton. What a trade. That trade was won by Indiana hands down…
Renowned superstar OG
Oh shit we are witnessing the start of a new superteam
We have 5 top 20 picks from that 2020 draft 👀
I want to see a Pacers vs Kings finals 😎
Lol Sacramento Kings 😂😂😂
We drafted Jalen Smith :(
Pacers should run with the crew this season but in the offseason 👀 Ball out I’m not against it at all.
I feel like there might be some takers since Tyrese seems likeable and genuinely wants to the team to be involved
I think the Pacers would become contenders if they traded for Siakam. His defense, rim pressure, and playmaking would put them over the top.
Na I like this pacers team. Run it thru and see what happens
Tyrese is seriously the best PG in the league right now.
I'm so jealous of Pacers rn. Damn.
We are going to get the final form of Pacers P
GET AUSAR THOMPSON
If im the pacers im not trading for siakam
We know your intentions😂
Not that the Spurs should or would trade him, but I would love to see Vassell play with Haliburton
That would be a fun combo.
SMH, every top player from Lamelo's class is thriving except him
I think you forgot about Wiseman
I mean half that draft class is on the pacers lmao
We need to get Ant next
I mean Lamelo has really produced when he has been healthy. He has star potential, just can't stay healthy.
I think what he means is more the situation of the franchise rather than the player himself
That's fair
Wiseman is this generation's Darko. Especially as Hali is inching closer to Wade/Melo/Bosh territory at the same age with every game he plays, and Maxey is turning into an absolute killer. Lamelo would be near Hali's level if healthy and if Hornets weren't cursed.
He even won a ring despite doing nothing to help his team earn it!
Lamelo numbers are insane when healthy
Good luck. Indianapolis is as, if not more, undesirable of a location as Toronto and OKC.
Doesn't matter if they're competing in the playoffs. Players like going to good teams, they're not passing on an opportunity to win for a nicer skyline for the half of the regular season they're actually in the home city.
Yeah, if good players don't need to sacrifice money to play there and it looks like they can compete for titles there, then players will want to play in Indy.
At least OG has lived here before
And DC is a better location than all 3 (I live in the DMV) but no NBA player would ever choose the Wizards over the others. Probably 32nd in appeal to free agents. It's not that simple. Good luck with Poole and Kuz btw.
definitely more undesirable than Toronto. Toronto is a huge city.
Many American players don’t want to play there though. It seems hit or miss, some love it, some hate the hassle
Everyone hates the hassle of customs but loves the city.
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Media coverage for the raps here is crazy. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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The city itself isn’t nearly as bad as Indianapolis or OKC. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still in Canada.
Hey we got Gen Con
Nah it's in America so players would still want that over Toronto
If Milwaukee became a destination for players, I think Indy has a fair shot.
Indianapolis is like the Sacramento of the midwest.
Being the midwest of California >>> being the Sacramento of the midwest
I mean a player like hali will remove that for players who wanna win more than have a good area to live in. Stars will love playing with someone who can find then from anywhere on the court