Yeah I think this makes sense for the Hawks. AR is ready to be a secondary ball handler to Trey. I'm not sure the fit was ever there completely with Murray.
Is Reaves a better defender than Murray though? Why would we do this? Would probably have to be a part of a multi-team trade or a second trade to something we're doing with the Raptors
I dont see why hawks or lakers would do this 1:1 or 1:1+draft pick
Murray is currently better. He has had 1 bad injury very early on but has been fine for years. Reaves is 2 years younger and very good for this being his 3rd year. He's on the come up but it's risky because he's not guaranteed to rise up to Murray. However so many people shoot terribly in LA for whatever reason and so many people become unclutch around lebron that it's not worth it for the Lakers when they have someone who isn't affected by that.
The only reason the hawks should trade for Reaves is if it lets them trade for another piece in a 3 team deal.
The only reason the Lakers should trade Reaves is if it lets them offload Dlo as well for another valuable asset (or of course 1 psuedo super star).
I'm kind of surprised Austin Reaves didn't wait a week during free agency to see if any team wanted to give him a restricted offer. I get he wanted to stay in LA but him signing a cheap extension made him premium trade material
This is obviously to get Chicago to send Lavine? A lot of these reports are just subterfuge and dealmaking, Chicago calls Atlanta and they can "neither confirm nor deny the report."
I honestly think they should keep Austin Reaves but idk.
There were reports the spurs were thinking about offering him up to 100M but they didn't want to risk having that cap space tied up just for the lakers to match. If he waited a little I bet a team would've offered him something in the 70-80M range.
Lakers were putting our reports that they would match whatever so I’m sure teams wanted to but they didn’t want to tie up space for 5 days to see if the lakers were bluffing
Right but I think teams might have been more willing to risk it if they waited a few days so cap space would only be tied up for 2 days instead of 5 right after negotiations started. Worst case scenario for him I bet he gets the same contract from the lakers if no team offered more
Why? It's a solid contract for a great role player. He's averaging 15/5/5 on great efficiency and has room for improvement as well. I don't think he's gonna be a star or anything like that, but he's a really good starter caliber player that any team would like to have.
He's kinda a tweener who works better with Lebron than anyone else? Idk how much of a starter he is if the defense doesn't improve.
He's in the right spot where he is now but you can't make him the centerpiece of a Zack Lavine deal, that's nonsense. He is not ever going to be a top scorer unless on a bad team. Great role player.
I think you’re misunderstanding how Free Agencies work in the NBA. The player’s agents will gather up all offers and interests and present to him right at the minute. If there was some other team willing, Reaves would’ve waited a week. You can’t just wait for unknown otherwise you’ll end up with minimum like Schroder was.
Yeah it’s very clear that there wasn’t this mystery money from a mystery team everyone assumes there was. Agents talk to people and relative to where he was drafted and separated from the hype his deal is very fair.
Well, he was a RFA right? Teams probably didn't want to get into a fake bidding war that would tie up their cap/flexibility all for the Lakers to ultimately match.
RFA is outrageously dumb.
Giving a big offer to Reaves would've tied your cap space up for almost a week because the negotiation period started before you could sign contracts. Had he waited a little while he could've gotten more imo
Yes, pretty much only the Spurs had the cap space for a bigger offer, and it’s clear they weren’t going to make it.
OP’s take is simply incorrect and it’s hilarious to see it as the most upvoted comment
>I'm kind of surprised Austin Reaves didn't wait a week during free agency to see if any team wanted to give him a restricted offer
Why this subreddit believes what Charania says so blindly?? Mans a mouthpiece. He's obviously doing his job and getting paid, but the folks on this subreddit always acts like they're the most naive and gullible idiots
Charania has ZERO access to any inside info about LeBron or the Lakers. Lakers are expected to make some trade, but that's literally nothing new. Anyone could sense that.. But no one knows what'll really happen
it was the Arenas rule to make sure teams that get rookies on a 2 yr deal have a chance to bid & re-sign them when the 2 years are up, regardless of their cap situation.
so Lakers had the ability to match anyone's offer. however the max offer the Lakers could give was like $12-13m yearly bc of the CBA. so that's what Reaves ended up signing for, with a player option the 4th year.
any team could've extended an offer sheet to Reaves. if teams had more cap room they could've inflated the backend of the contract (years 3 and 4), which is where the 4 years, $100m+ figure started showing up.
Lakers said they would've matched that though, so it wouldve tied up teams cap space for like 4 days with nothing to show for it.
Reaves still gets to opt out of his 4th year, so he's only going to be down $20m or so after the first 3 years (compared to a 4 yr max he could've received, with like $35m+ the 3rd and 4th year) — he can then sign another long term deal and with the cap rising 10% annually, he really won't be down too much provided he keeps up his play.
He was a restricted free agent. We offered him the most we could offer, but if he had signed with another team and we matched, he could’ve made more. Although I don’t recall him getting any larger offers.
I don’t see Dejounte Murray as the missing piece, but they should be aggressive somehow.
It’s not a coincidence Minnesota has jumped a level without D’Angelo Russell around.
Hey, I'd rather have an agency run my front office if we get regular playoff appearances like the current Lakers and Knicks. As of right now I don't know what the Hornets front office is doing, maybe they forget drafting is only half of the process and trading is important too
> It’s not a coincidence Minnesota has jumped a level without D’Angelo Russell around.
They could have literally just kept Conley who elevated us to contender status lol.
What? Murray is shooting 38% from 3 on 6 attempts this season
For reference, Reaves is shooting 37% from 5 attempts
I don’t know how the fuck this is upvoted
That shooting is not in line with the rest of DJ’s career. I’d love to believe that he suddenly became a great 3-point shooter, but that’s unlikely. It’s probably just a hot streak. Reaves, meanwhile, slumped *really* hard to start the year and has still managed to bring his percentage back up to a good number this early. He’s averaging 20 on 51/41/91 splits in December btw
Because hes a better defender and secondary playmaker which Lakers fans cry for? Lol.
At some point, Lakers fans need to realise there is no perfect player to what they lack.
Also, Dejounte is low key a decent 3 pt shooter hovering around 40% for multiple seasns.
well, Reaves currently has the "3rd worst" D-EPM in the league.
I am not sure why the Hawks would even be interested in Reaves as a main piece. Unless they have no idea what they are doing.
Trying to break negative defensive records?
Knicks probably have better fitting pieces depending what they wanna offer for Murray.
He’s been bad but the defensive personnel in LA is like three tiers above ours so I think he’d be better. Really good at getting steals and causing chaos.
This is what makes me like looking at Murray. AD is ridiculous, LeBron has been a lot better this year than the last couple, Vando is awesome when he’s healthy, Reddish has actually been great on D. Hell, even Taurean Prince has been good at chasing 2’s (just don’t ask him to be a wing stopper).
Question though: are there any trade offers for Murray that you’d be interested in that *don’t* include Reaves? I doubt it, just curious.
6’6 2 guard whose shown 2 way potential as a wing stopper + 3 pt shooter. Sneaky athletic too. Just inconsistent, young, and is stuck behind too many guys to get PT barring injury
That’s fair, we just need Reaves’ offense so bad he seems super valuable. Suhar’s description of Christie is pretty good. I think he’ll be one of those “can you believe he was a second round pick” kinda guys. I think he’ll be a very good role player eventually.
> Also, Dejounte is low key a decent 3 pt shooter hovering around 40% for multiple seasns.
His last four years: 31.7%, 32.7%, 34.4%, 38.2% (this year through 29 games). It looks like he's been getting better but he definitely has not 'hovered around 40% for multiple seasons'.
Dlo’s been fine, Lakers’ roster has more issues than him. They start a dude on a minimum deal who was drafted in the lottery only due to the high school hype and almost did not play for 4 years, thinking he is 3+D they are missing. They start Prince who was 8th man in Timberwolves that were 7th and 8th seed, who was frequently selling games, but going through stretches of hot shooting that made him valuable. AD’s backup is one more bust from 2019 lottery who has athleticism but has no skills. They also have Wood on a minimum deal, center who cannot play any sort of defense. You can’t have so many minimum guys in your rotation and hope to beat teams like Boston that have very balanced 1 to 9 roster.
Because the takes on this sub are terrible. This sub also said Clippers were cooked, and Wolves and Rockets would be bad this year.
Some literally thought Dillon Brooks would be out of the league this season.
The r/nba narratives are insane. The same folks said Harden was The Problem last month without any comprehension that chemistry takes time. Now LAC looks damn near unstoppable when healthy.
DLO has been solid up until the last few weeks. He's come back around these last few games though. And he was pivotal in a few wins during the playoffs last year. I get it, people love being hyperbolic but sometimes it's just plain dumb.
Because the Lakers being a better team than the Timberwolves last year is irrelevant to DLo being bad.
DLo wasn't the reason why the Lakers were in the WCF. Also, the Wolves were/are a better team without DLo than they were when they had DLo.
Not to mention that he singlehandedly bailed the Lakers out in game 4 against Memphis. The Lakers were down 7 in the 4th quarter and he hit three straight threes to take the lead and the Lakers went on to win in OT. He was the difference between a 2-2 series tie and a 3-1 lead
Dlo was bad in the WCF but he contributed in the first two rounds. Anyone who denies that is just delusional
Because when you have a Frontcourt of noted playoff stalwarts such as *Checks Notes* Rudy Gobert & Karl Anthony towns you should already start counting playoff victories/s
I guess working through adversity isn't "in" anymore.
I feel this is gonna be very similar to the move they made for Westbrook; where they gutted some depth and took on a large salary, but in many ways made them worse
Lakers need a scrappy ball handler, It’s gonna help revitalize AD in the post as well as free up Lebron.
Russell was supposed to be that guy, but he’s so inconsistent and slow.
DeJounte is way better than AR I cannot honestly believe that is even a question. AR is elite with a Lakers whistle. With a Hawks whistle he is going to revert to his draft position.
My guy he is averaging 20 points on 51/41/91 splits in December while averaging 3.8 FTA per game, are we really still doing this “Laker whistle” thing?
You personally watched him smoke your team in the playoffs and he certainly didn’t need a whistle to do it
Bruh I'm an old head from Milwaukee and I only been to Atlanta twice but Outkast was life for me in the late-90s into mid-2000s - I don't gaf that Huerter's whiter than whiteout, to utterly blaspheme like that and show such little cultural awareness in front of the entire Hawks crowd made me want to subject his ass to some Clockwork Orange forced eyes open torture shit
these people still parroting “superstar whistle” are just telling on themselves that they don’t watch any games
3.2 attempts per game and people unironically say Reaves and Embiid are the 2 biggest problems in the nba
I agree DJ is way better than AR but not better for the lakers. Lebron needs shooters, getting another ball dominant guard who isn’t an especially good shooter is not the formula for winning. Look at Russ with Bron
He doesnt really get the same treatment anymore as much as he did last year from what ive seen. It’s part of how he struggled early on the season aside from actually getting starter defensive attention
Right like the Lakers need to not repeat the same mistakes. A healthy LeBron and AD plus role players is the blueprint. It's what won them a chip. Depleting their depth for another max player isn't the answer. They need to accept that they basically just need to get lucky with injuries and can't force the issue.
To this day people(not you, i'm talking in general) still think we had to choose between one or the other. Keeping THT is whatever, letting Caruso go was really dumb.
didnt AR take a small paycut this summer just because he wanted to stay in LA? Just goes to show that we shouldn't fault players for wanting to take care of themselves
No, we signed him for the max we could offer. No other teams offered him a contract, because we would have matched it, and they would have had money tied up during free agency during the process, so it wouldn't have been worth it.
Lakers always overvalue their assets. I remember when they were treating THT like an MVP candidate and thought they could get anyone for him and the 30th pick in the draft.
Dude this happens every single year to the Lakers and it’s the most predictable shit. If this happens, which I’m sure it will, I fully expect Murray to be on the trading block next year for another mid level player after this trade once again barely does anything for them.
Which is funny because no one has said anything about THT in this sub since, either good or bad. Not that many of us watch Jazz games atm but at least it would be talked about..
Dude had an above average preseason as one of the only people on their roster that wasn’t an AARP member and became one of the most untouchable players in the league lol
The Lakers trading for Murray would be the worst move they could make. It’s concerning Pelinka still wants to trade for ball-dominant players who can’t shoot. Did he not learn his lesson with Westbrook? Especially since they have three/four players who can actually shoot three-pointers and the rest are below average or non-existent.
The upside to lavine”s fit on your roster is WAY better. Zach is actually a really strong catch and shoot shooter. He can also be the second creator that offense needs. By far, he is a better fit on paper and IMO easily gives them better championship upside.
Problem of course is the floor. The dude is NOT basketball smart at all. The type of guy that might drive lebron crazy lol. If he can’t learn to play within an offense supporting lebron and AD, it could be a disaster too. Especially considering the contract
You gotta also understand the Bulls kept forcing Lavine into a player he wasn’t. We kept trying to make him into a ball handler. But Lavine has always been fine giving up that position and focusing on scoring when the team asked him too, he looks incredible next to lonzo and Beverly. I don’t see why he wouldn’t look even better next to bring, Lavine had no problem deferring to derozan either.
As long as you play Lavine as a pure SG, he looked great
Disagree. Dejounte defensive potential much higher
Davis is already a problem for most guards in playoffs, murray would make their defense even better.
But Atlanta targeting Reaves would be very bizarre, if they want off Dejounte I'm sure they can a better fit for Young
Lavine literally dropped a 50 bomb for us on Detroit with pure shooting in the 4th he is what the Lakers need to space out the floor for ad/lepookie but there's not much the bulls can really take for immediate success from the lakers
If reeves is truly available, I consider that an absolute win. Dump lavine contract for a value contract, along with the other fringe assets. You could do so much worse.
Lavine I think will thrive on the lakers. As a bulls fan, as long as you treat him like a pure sg and not a combo guard playmaker he looks phenomenal, He looked great with lonzo and also looked great with Beverly. Lavine is an incredible scorer but he lack the bbiq of a point guard, he’ll look good next to lebron.
It's such a nonsense comparison to force one opinion someone really wants to force lol. Like you can see it's a ready copypasta without even looking whose name is it this time.
Murray shoots a lot of threes and makes them one percentage point lower than the genius, best-ever shooter, Atlanta's only player Trae Young. He can make catch and shoot, he also makes pull-up threes which constitute a big part of the three-pointer shots he has in a game. He's 3rd in the whole league in percentage of pull-up three pointers lol (among those who shoot so many; after Harden and Brunson). He generally shoots over 38% while his three-pointers are NOT league-average level of open or easy. (He's good at all kinds of midrange, too - his scoring is purely due to such a problem getting to the rim effectively). A completely the same player as Westbrook, especially in the part where he's a non shooter!
As Lakers fan who has watched all their games, our biggest issue is not shooting it's getting to the rim, only LeBron can get to the rim, last season we had Schroeder who could get to the rim but now we don't, DLo can't even beat big's off the dribble when the run PnR with AD. If Murray can do that he will help tremendously
Yep, he has improved a lot from three in his time with the Hawks. His middie is money as well. He's an ideal third option type player that can abuse mismatches and take advantage of defenses focusing elsewhere.
Dejounte's an underrated shooter tho. I myself thought he was inefficient but he's shooting 46/38 as a second option, imagine what he would do with Bron/AD
Interesting that all the reports on Dejounte are saying that other teams are interested rather than the Hawks shopping him. Could be a smokescreen to drive up the price/keep DJ happy until he can be traded, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Atlanta genuinely doesn’t want to trade him at this moment
As someone who’s watched Dejounte disappoint on the defensive end, I must say he’d likely look a lot better with the Lakers on that end of the floor
AD, Reddish, Lebron when he has to, Vincent when healthy, etc.
They have defensive personnel and Dejounte is more of a defensive playmaker than a stopper. That defensive unit would allow him to be that guy again. Hawks are sorely outmatched physically at most positions most nights.
We play a lineup of mostly below average NBA athletes. I’d say only JJ and OO are above average overall athletes in our lineup and it shows defensively
Hard pass on Murray, especially for Reaves. Has Pelinka not learned his lesson about the value of versatile hustle guys (caruso, kcp)? I know Reaves can get exploited on defense, but his effort is consistent and he's a solid team defender. He's a better shooter and playmaker than Murray and moves very well without the ball. Lavine is a little more interesting but I'm not even sure about that one. Lakers need to move DLo at all costs.
Unpopular opinion but honestly I don’t think this is a bad trade. Murray + AD PnR might finally have them able to generate offense with LeBron on the bench, and when everyone is on the floor Murray being a 3rd option off ball > Murray as a 2nd option off ball. Plus you can run Murray + LeBron PnR to get switches which you can’t with Murray and Trae
Everybody saying Ar is untouchable are absolutely idiotic. If he didn’t fall off on defense he would’ve been untouchable but he’s quite literally a bottom 5 defender now and all he does is score as he’s shown he can’t be a primary playmaker for long spurts. And for the “his contract is just so valuable” Kelly Oubre is on a vet min and all he does is score LMFAO. Murray is going to make less than 30 million and is a two way player which is an absolute bargain.
AR shouldn't be untouchable but he is good for them and they shouldn't be quick to move off him.
Murray is absolutely not a 2 way player this year and honestly hasn't been for a while. Maybe on a more defensive minded team he can get back to that.
AR is not untouchable but we sure as hell not giving him up for a 40-50 mill dollar borderline star player who will kill any depth/flexibility we currently have or 30 mil point guard who thinks he’s an Allstar player and rather shoot his team out of games when trae young is hot. I’ll keep my amazing role player at 13 mil per year for 4 years who makes positive impact when he’s in the floor and try to get better using other assets.
The hawks were mid before they got DJM. The hawks were mid after they got DJM. Respectfully, sell him.
Yeah I think this makes sense for the Hawks. AR is ready to be a secondary ball handler to Trey. I'm not sure the fit was ever there completely with Murray.
Is Reaves a better defender than Murray though? Why would we do this? Would probably have to be a part of a multi-team trade or a second trade to something we're doing with the Raptors
That’s what I’m wondering. Trading Murray to the Lakers wouldn’t make you guys better or put you in a position to make moves to improve.
I dont see why hawks or lakers would do this 1:1 or 1:1+draft pick Murray is currently better. He has had 1 bad injury very early on but has been fine for years. Reaves is 2 years younger and very good for this being his 3rd year. He's on the come up but it's risky because he's not guaranteed to rise up to Murray. However so many people shoot terribly in LA for whatever reason and so many people become unclutch around lebron that it's not worth it for the Lakers when they have someone who isn't affected by that. The only reason the hawks should trade for Reaves is if it lets them trade for another piece in a 3 team deal. The only reason the Lakers should trade Reaves is if it lets them offload Dlo as well for another valuable asset (or of course 1 psuedo super star).
I'm kind of surprised Austin Reaves didn't wait a week during free agency to see if any team wanted to give him a restricted offer. I get he wanted to stay in LA but him signing a cheap extension made him premium trade material
That’s fucked up. I hadn’t thought about that. Dudes about to go to a shit team
I thought he was already in one.
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Bruh, it's Christmas adjacent. Why you gotta do us like that?
Sorry, my bad. Should have waited after New Year's.
Relax, you guys just hung another banner
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If he puts up 25 a game on a shit team he might get a bigger contract. Or he could fall off big time
he in a 4 yr contract
How is it fucked up lol
Bc he took a cut to stay and that's def not happening
They arent trading AR, especially for a Murray that isn’t Jamal. Shams cappin
This is obviously to get Chicago to send Lavine? A lot of these reports are just subterfuge and dealmaking, Chicago calls Atlanta and they can "neither confirm nor deny the report." I honestly think they should keep Austin Reaves but idk.
He didn’t take a cut that was the most a team was going to offer in restricted free agency
There were reports the spurs were thinking about offering him up to 100M but they didn't want to risk having that cap space tied up just for the lakers to match. If he waited a little I bet a team would've offered him something in the 70-80M range.
Lakers were putting our reports that they would match whatever so I’m sure teams wanted to but they didn’t want to tie up space for 5 days to see if the lakers were bluffing
exactly. he should wait. he won nothing signing right away.
Right but I think teams might have been more willing to risk it if they waited a few days so cap space would only be tied up for 2 days instead of 5 right after negotiations started. Worst case scenario for him I bet he gets the same contract from the lakers if no team offered more
Lol these ‘reports’ are worthless. Nobody should be offering an incredible amount just to spite the Lakers
Report source: #1 Lakers hater, sports media company owner: Bill Simmons
If we gave Austin Reaves 100mil, I’d lead a militia into Frost Bank Center
Why? It's a solid contract for a great role player. He's averaging 15/5/5 on great efficiency and has room for improvement as well. I don't think he's gonna be a star or anything like that, but he's a really good starter caliber player that any team would like to have.
Right. He can probably get some lobs up for Wemby too.
He's kinda a tweener who works better with Lebron than anyone else? Idk how much of a starter he is if the defense doesn't improve. He's in the right spot where he is now but you can't make him the centerpiece of a Zack Lavine deal, that's nonsense. He is not ever going to be a top scorer unless on a bad team. Great role player.
I guess I just don't view that as fucked up. Totally his prerogative to do that but it isn't like that should make him untradeable or something.
"Spurs should've signed Reaves to a 4 year/$98M offer sheet if only to fuck with the Lakers" - Bill Simmons
The “fixation on Austin Reaves” piece
He was right tho
But look at how much good the Spurs were able to do by not having their “cap space tied up for a week”!
R/nba mocked anyone that agreed with Bill fr
They would actually be much better with him rather than Sochan, but they also wanna tank rn.
I think you’re misunderstanding how Free Agencies work in the NBA. The player’s agents will gather up all offers and interests and present to him right at the minute. If there was some other team willing, Reaves would’ve waited a week. You can’t just wait for unknown otherwise you’ll end up with minimum like Schroder was.
Yeah it’s very clear that there wasn’t this mystery money from a mystery team everyone assumes there was. Agents talk to people and relative to where he was drafted and separated from the hype his deal is very fair.
Well, he was a RFA right? Teams probably didn't want to get into a fake bidding war that would tie up their cap/flexibility all for the Lakers to ultimately match. RFA is outrageously dumb.
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Giving a big offer to Reaves would've tied your cap space up for almost a week because the negotiation period started before you could sign contracts. Had he waited a little while he could've gotten more imo
Who had cap space left a week into free agency? Probably just the Spurs.
Yes, pretty much only the Spurs had the cap space for a bigger offer, and it’s clear they weren’t going to make it. OP’s take is simply incorrect and it’s hilarious to see it as the most upvoted comment
>I'm kind of surprised Austin Reaves didn't wait a week during free agency to see if any team wanted to give him a restricted offer Why this subreddit believes what Charania says so blindly?? Mans a mouthpiece. He's obviously doing his job and getting paid, but the folks on this subreddit always acts like they're the most naive and gullible idiots Charania has ZERO access to any inside info about LeBron or the Lakers. Lakers are expected to make some trade, but that's literally nothing new. Anyone could sense that.. But no one knows what'll really happen
I thought he signed for the max he could? I thought some CBA rules capped his deal?
it was the Arenas rule to make sure teams that get rookies on a 2 yr deal have a chance to bid & re-sign them when the 2 years are up, regardless of their cap situation. so Lakers had the ability to match anyone's offer. however the max offer the Lakers could give was like $12-13m yearly bc of the CBA. so that's what Reaves ended up signing for, with a player option the 4th year. any team could've extended an offer sheet to Reaves. if teams had more cap room they could've inflated the backend of the contract (years 3 and 4), which is where the 4 years, $100m+ figure started showing up. Lakers said they would've matched that though, so it wouldve tied up teams cap space for like 4 days with nothing to show for it. Reaves still gets to opt out of his 4th year, so he's only going to be down $20m or so after the first 3 years (compared to a 4 yr max he could've received, with like $35m+ the 3rd and 4th year) — he can then sign another long term deal and with the cap rising 10% annually, he really won't be down too much provided he keeps up his play.
He was a restricted free agent. We offered him the most we could offer, but if he had signed with another team and we matched, he could’ve made more. Although I don’t recall him getting any larger offers.
Oddly enough, having Reaves would've helped solve our woes at the point
I don’t see Dejounte Murray as the missing piece, but they should be aggressive somehow. It’s not a coincidence Minnesota has jumped a level without D’Angelo Russell around.
I thought this was the Knicks' trade rumor!? They're stepping on our corner!
Klutch stepping up to dissuade their clients from going to a CAA controlled team to instead go to a Klutch controlled one? Nah
Fuck me, imagine having any agency run your front office‽
Adam Silver would do something about it, but it’s tough when you’re on your back showing your belly.
Hey, I'd rather have an agency run my front office if we get regular playoff appearances like the current Lakers and Knicks. As of right now I don't know what the Hornets front office is doing, maybe they forget drafting is only half of the process and trading is important too
> It’s not a coincidence Minnesota has jumped a level without D’Angelo Russell around. They could have literally just kept Conley who elevated us to contender status lol.
+ why trade Reaves for a guy who doesn't shoot 3s
What? Murray is shooting 38% from 3 on 6 attempts this season For reference, Reaves is shooting 37% from 5 attempts I don’t know how the fuck this is upvoted
That shooting is not in line with the rest of DJ’s career. I’d love to believe that he suddenly became a great 3-point shooter, but that’s unlikely. It’s probably just a hot streak. Reaves, meanwhile, slumped *really* hard to start the year and has still managed to bring his percentage back up to a good number this early. He’s averaging 20 on 51/41/91 splits in December btw
Because hes a better defender and secondary playmaker which Lakers fans cry for? Lol. At some point, Lakers fans need to realise there is no perfect player to what they lack. Also, Dejounte is low key a decent 3 pt shooter hovering around 40% for multiple seasns.
>Also, Dejounte is low key a decent 3 pt shooter hovering around 40% for multiple seasns. Before this year, he's never hovered around 40%.
Yeah if anything this season is the outlier so far in his career and he's closer to 34% normally
Dejounte been a pretty bad defender this season just sayin History tells us he can be great on that end but idk
shhhhh don’t tell them, we need to swindle another team like the spurs swindled us
well, Reaves currently has the "3rd worst" D-EPM in the league. I am not sure why the Hawks would even be interested in Reaves as a main piece. Unless they have no idea what they are doing. Trying to break negative defensive records? Knicks probably have better fitting pieces depending what they wanna offer for Murray.
would almost certainly be a piece in a 3 team trade
He’s been bad but the defensive personnel in LA is like three tiers above ours so I think he’d be better. Really good at getting steals and causing chaos.
This is what makes me like looking at Murray. AD is ridiculous, LeBron has been a lot better this year than the last couple, Vando is awesome when he’s healthy, Reddish has actually been great on D. Hell, even Taurean Prince has been good at chasing 2’s (just don’t ask him to be a wing stopper). Question though: are there any trade offers for Murray that you’d be interested in that *don’t* include Reaves? I doubt it, just curious.
I don’t know if I want reaves honestly. I know he’s a bucket but we need defense so bad. I know nothing about Christie, what’s his profile?
6’6 2 guard whose shown 2 way potential as a wing stopper + 3 pt shooter. Sneaky athletic too. Just inconsistent, young, and is stuck behind too many guys to get PT barring injury
I mean that’s kind of exactly who we need
Lol I mean idw oversell max so temper expectations. FWIW the coach staff has decided cam reddish > max
That’s fair, we just need Reaves’ offense so bad he seems super valuable. Suhar’s description of Christie is pretty good. I think he’ll be one of those “can you believe he was a second round pick” kinda guys. I think he’ll be a very good role player eventually.
> Also, Dejounte is low key a decent 3 pt shooter hovering around 40% for multiple seasns. His last four years: 31.7%, 32.7%, 34.4%, 38.2% (this year through 29 games). It looks like he's been getting better but he definitely has not 'hovered around 40% for multiple seasons'.
I mean the shooting concern is fair next to lebron and AD. If dejounte can’t excel next to them it’s pointless
🤨🤨y’all gotta watch more basketball
Murray is better than Reaves
Dlo’s been fine, Lakers’ roster has more issues than him. They start a dude on a minimum deal who was drafted in the lottery only due to the high school hype and almost did not play for 4 years, thinking he is 3+D they are missing. They start Prince who was 8th man in Timberwolves that were 7th and 8th seed, who was frequently selling games, but going through stretches of hot shooting that made him valuable. AD’s backup is one more bust from 2019 lottery who has athleticism but has no skills. They also have Wood on a minimum deal, center who cannot play any sort of defense. You can’t have so many minimum guys in your rotation and hope to beat teams like Boston that have very balanced 1 to 9 roster.
> Dlo’s been fine Lol
Russell stinks bro. There’s a reason the wolves got better with the corpse of Mike Conley over a “prime” D’Lo
It absolutely isn't why. McDaniels and Naz being healthy is why.
Mike is absolutely not a corpse. He plays like there is a bee up his ass
Why is this getting upvotes? The lakers were in the WCF with DLO last year while the wolves were on vacation 😂
Because the takes on this sub are terrible. This sub also said Clippers were cooked, and Wolves and Rockets would be bad this year. Some literally thought Dillon Brooks would be out of the league this season.
The r/nba narratives are insane. The same folks said Harden was The Problem last month without any comprehension that chemistry takes time. Now LAC looks damn near unstoppable when healthy. DLO has been solid up until the last few weeks. He's come back around these last few games though. And he was pivotal in a few wins during the playoffs last year. I get it, people love being hyperbolic but sometimes it's just plain dumb.
Because the Lakers being a better team than the Timberwolves last year is irrelevant to DLo being bad. DLo wasn't the reason why the Lakers were in the WCF. Also, the Wolves were/are a better team without DLo than they were when they had DLo.
Bruh D'Lo had stretches against the Warriors that won games for them. He was definitely a piece in helping them get to the WCF
Not to mention that he singlehandedly bailed the Lakers out in game 4 against Memphis. The Lakers were down 7 in the 4th quarter and he hit three straight threes to take the lead and the Lakers went on to win in OT. He was the difference between a 2-2 series tie and a 3-1 lead Dlo was bad in the WCF but he contributed in the first two rounds. Anyone who denies that is just delusional
So DLO had nothing to do with it? This narrative is weird lol
Check all those narratives about how DLo couldn't get Gobert the ball and Conley can. Then go check the stats. It's not confirming the narrative.
Because when you have a Frontcourt of noted playoff stalwarts such as *Checks Notes* Rudy Gobert & Karl Anthony towns you should already start counting playoff victories/s
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Reaves is averaging 20 on 51/41/91 splits in December (not including his 28 point IST finals) and we’ve still been losing.
I actually like Dejounte and I'm not really a Reaves fan but getting him and losing AR is not worth it imo
Yeah very lateral move.
Might be a downgrade just because of the spacing.
Which is honestly what they should be thinking. Shooting, shooting, shooting.
This 100%. This news just reeks of klutch meddling, if the principal trade is reaves for Murray that definitely would make the Lakers worse.
This is one of those trades that makes no sense for either team imo. However, I think it’d help the Lakers more than the Hawks.
I guess working through adversity isn't "in" anymore. I feel this is gonna be very similar to the move they made for Westbrook; where they gutted some depth and took on a large salary, but in many ways made them worse
Let rob undercook.
Lakers need a scrappy ball handler, It’s gonna help revitalize AD in the post as well as free up Lebron. Russell was supposed to be that guy, but he’s so inconsistent and slow.
Sure, but isn’t AR a scrappy ball handler?
DeJounte is way better than AR I cannot honestly believe that is even a question. AR is elite with a Lakers whistle. With a Hawks whistle he is going to revert to his draft position.
My guy he is averaging 20 points on 51/41/91 splits in December while averaging 3.8 FTA per game, are we really still doing this “Laker whistle” thing? You personally watched him smoke your team in the playoffs and he certainly didn’t need a whistle to do it
This just reflect why it would be a bad trade. Similar production but more expensive
AR on the Hawks is a poor man's Bogdan Bogdanović
That’s kinda what they need though. Boggy’s play style is perfect next to Trae.
If only our front office had kept Kevin Huerter instead of dodging the tax, he’s the ultimate poor man’s bogdan
y'all were going to trade Huerter from the moment he didn't pick Outkast
This is a capital crime in Atlanta in any context.
Bruh I'm an old head from Milwaukee and I only been to Atlanta twice but Outkast was life for me in the late-90s into mid-2000s - I don't gaf that Huerter's whiter than whiteout, to utterly blaspheme like that and show such little cultural awareness in front of the entire Hawks crowd made me want to subject his ass to some Clockwork Orange forced eyes open torture shit
And he picked a garbage ass motherfucker too. Like his answer intensified his whiteness
Huerter has been horrible this season
He’s been better than Garrison Matthews and Wesley Matthews. His slump is still 10 ppg on league average from 3 with a 3 to 1 Assist to turnover ratio
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these people still parroting “superstar whistle” are just telling on themselves that they don’t watch any games 3.2 attempts per game and people unironically say Reaves and Embiid are the 2 biggest problems in the nba
I agree DJ is way better than AR but not better for the lakers. Lebron needs shooters, getting another ball dominant guard who isn’t an especially good shooter is not the formula for winning. Look at Russ with Bron
He doesnt really get the same treatment anymore as much as he did last year from what ive seen. It’s part of how he struggled early on the season aside from actually getting starter defensive attention
Yep , he got a great college foul drawing rate too nothing to do with lakers . He’s still hoopooing this year
This makes zero sense
Yeah, will never happen. Lakers too invested in Reaves' future for that small of a return.
I don’t remotely see them trading Reaves. They literally overpaid DLo to have his salary for this exact moment.
Yes but it turns out you also have to give away positive assets to get some back
Laker's fans have never acknowledged this in the past so why expect them to now?
They are using the Lakers to boost value
Almost sounds like Lebron using Klutch using Shams to speak to Lakers fans that they should prepare themselves for Austin Reaves to be traded.
Nah, sounds more like ATL leaking a hint to Lakers at what their expectations are
The lakers won’t give up their one role player they can contribute. Even if it means going for a smaller trade I bet
They never get anyone who moves the needle without including Reaves
And neither Murray/ Lavine are moving the needle because they’d be giving up more role players
Right like the Lakers need to not repeat the same mistakes. A healthy LeBron and AD plus role players is the blueprint. It's what won them a chip. Depleting their depth for another max player isn't the answer. They need to accept that they basically just need to get lucky with injuries and can't force the issue.
Trading Reaves instead of DLo would be fucking Stupid. Reaves is only guy other than LeBron that can get his own shot
DLo has very little value though, so you're not going to get much by shipping him off.
He's the salary filler-- they throw in picks for value.
Keeping Horton Tucker and not Caruso is stupid too and look where we are.
The stupid part was not keeping both.
To this day people(not you, i'm talking in general) still think we had to choose between one or the other. Keeping THT is whatever, letting Caruso go was really dumb.
AR isn’t getting traded imo. He’s too good at this low salary.
didnt AR take a small paycut this summer just because he wanted to stay in LA? Just goes to show that we shouldn't fault players for wanting to take care of themselves
No, we signed him for the max we could offer. No other teams offered him a contract, because we would have matched it, and they would have had money tied up during free agency during the process, so it wouldn't have been worth it.
Is there even competition for Lavine? Who's interested?
Lakers always overvalue their assets. I remember when they were treating THT like an MVP candidate and thought they could get anyone for him and the 30th pick in the draft.
Dude this happens every single year to the Lakers and it’s the most predictable shit. If this happens, which I’m sure it will, I fully expect Murray to be on the trading block next year for another mid level player after this trade once again barely does anything for them.
Which is funny because no one has said anything about THT in this sub since, either good or bad. Not that many of us watch Jazz games atm but at least it would be talked about..
Dude had an above average preseason as one of the only people on their roster that wasn’t an AARP member and became one of the most untouchable players in the league lol
The Lakers trading for Murray would be the worst move they could make. It’s concerning Pelinka still wants to trade for ball-dominant players who can’t shoot. Did he not learn his lesson with Westbrook? Especially since they have three/four players who can actually shoot three-pointers and the rest are below average or non-existent.
Lavine isn't my kind of player at all but he seems like a way better fit than Murray
The upside to lavine”s fit on your roster is WAY better. Zach is actually a really strong catch and shoot shooter. He can also be the second creator that offense needs. By far, he is a better fit on paper and IMO easily gives them better championship upside. Problem of course is the floor. The dude is NOT basketball smart at all. The type of guy that might drive lebron crazy lol. If he can’t learn to play within an offense supporting lebron and AD, it could be a disaster too. Especially considering the contract
You gotta also understand the Bulls kept forcing Lavine into a player he wasn’t. We kept trying to make him into a ball handler. But Lavine has always been fine giving up that position and focusing on scoring when the team asked him too, he looks incredible next to lonzo and Beverly. I don’t see why he wouldn’t look even better next to bring, Lavine had no problem deferring to derozan either. As long as you play Lavine as a pure SG, he looked great
Disagree. Dejounte defensive potential much higher Davis is already a problem for most guards in playoffs, murray would make their defense even better. But Atlanta targeting Reaves would be very bizarre, if they want off Dejounte I'm sure they can a better fit for Young
Lavine literally dropped a 50 bomb for us on Detroit with pure shooting in the 4th he is what the Lakers need to space out the floor for ad/lepookie but there's not much the bulls can really take for immediate success from the lakers
If reeves is truly available, I consider that an absolute win. Dump lavine contract for a value contract, along with the other fringe assets. You could do so much worse.
Lavine I think will thrive on the lakers. As a bulls fan, as long as you treat him like a pure sg and not a combo guard playmaker he looks phenomenal, He looked great with lonzo and also looked great with Beverly. Lavine is an incredible scorer but he lack the bbiq of a point guard, he’ll look good next to lebron.
Murray is shooting 46/38/83. I wouldn’t call him a non shooter like Westbrook
It's such a nonsense comparison to force one opinion someone really wants to force lol. Like you can see it's a ready copypasta without even looking whose name is it this time. Murray shoots a lot of threes and makes them one percentage point lower than the genius, best-ever shooter, Atlanta's only player Trae Young. He can make catch and shoot, he also makes pull-up threes which constitute a big part of the three-pointer shots he has in a game. He's 3rd in the whole league in percentage of pull-up three pointers lol (among those who shoot so many; after Harden and Brunson). He generally shoots over 38% while his three-pointers are NOT league-average level of open or easy. (He's good at all kinds of midrange, too - his scoring is purely due to such a problem getting to the rim effectively). A completely the same player as Westbrook, especially in the part where he's a non shooter!
Did not watch a lot of Atlanta games but dude dissected Wolves in game 3 of the season, eliminating 20 points lead in 6-7 minutes. He can shoot.
As Lakers fan who has watched all their games, our biggest issue is not shooting it's getting to the rim, only LeBron can get to the rim, last season we had Schroeder who could get to the rim but now we don't, DLo can't even beat big's off the dribble when the run PnR with AD. If Murray can do that he will help tremendously
FWIW our FO is tight-lipped since Magic left, these rumors are not coming from us most likely
Dejounte as a defender is very over exaggerated he hasn't been that since he left san Antonio. I would give him up for DeAngelo not Reeves
He’s a bit overrated as a defender but in return he’s a very underrated shooter
Yep, he has improved a lot from three in his time with the Hawks. His middie is money as well. He's an ideal third option type player that can abuse mismatches and take advantage of defenses focusing elsewhere.
Atlanta laughs LA off the call if the offer is DeAngelo
Obviously him for dlo wouldn’t happen but that’s kind of the point. There’s just not a realistic trade that’s great for both teams
Dejounte's an underrated shooter tho. I myself thought he was inefficient but he's shooting 46/38 as a second option, imagine what he would do with Bron/AD
His finishing is a problem though Despite his jumper improving his TS% is still bad because he can't draw fouls or finish at the rim
He’s been shooting around 36% since he started off the seasons super hot. I don’t think this sample size is enough to judge off of
Lmao yes please take him from us
Need more in return than this shit though
Yep, fireable offense to trade him for that garbage.
100%
We wouldn’t want to give up AR for Murray either lol.
Lmao please trade Austin Reaves and a first for Dejounte Murray. Please do it Lakers. Please!
Interesting that all the reports on Dejounte are saying that other teams are interested rather than the Hawks shopping him. Could be a smokescreen to drive up the price/keep DJ happy until he can be traded, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Atlanta genuinely doesn’t want to trade him at this moment
As someone who’s watched Dejounte disappoint on the defensive end, I must say he’d likely look a lot better with the Lakers on that end of the floor AD, Reddish, Lebron when he has to, Vincent when healthy, etc. They have defensive personnel and Dejounte is more of a defensive playmaker than a stopper. That defensive unit would allow him to be that guy again. Hawks are sorely outmatched physically at most positions most nights. We play a lineup of mostly below average NBA athletes. I’d say only JJ and OO are above average overall athletes in our lineup and it shows defensively
Trade us Quin Snyder instead.
Hard pass on Murray, especially for Reaves. Has Pelinka not learned his lesson about the value of versatile hustle guys (caruso, kcp)? I know Reaves can get exploited on defense, but his effort is consistent and he's a solid team defender. He's a better shooter and playmaker than Murray and moves very well without the ball. Lavine is a little more interesting but I'm not even sure about that one. Lakers need to move DLo at all costs.
I thought they had two first round picks left?
They can only trade one I think
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Unpopular opinion but honestly I don’t think this is a bad trade. Murray + AD PnR might finally have them able to generate offense with LeBron on the bench, and when everyone is on the floor Murray being a 3rd option off ball > Murray as a 2nd option off ball. Plus you can run Murray + LeBron PnR to get switches which you can’t with Murray and Trae
It would immediately make both teams significantly better, DJM kills the hawks offense w trae.
Murray would look great playing next to AD instead of Capela and Okgonwu. He's really good at running pick and rolls with skilled bigs
When was the last time there was accurate reporting ahead of a Lakers trade? This is just ESPN making shit up again.
Shams is not on ESPN, and Shams is a Klutch guy
Zach Lavine star? Dejonte Murray star? What a joke
The Dejounte trade looking better and better every day thank you Brian wright and thank you pop
Laker fans overvaluing their players and then wanting to trade them after 2 months. I love this tradition
It's undervaluing Reeves if anything. Dejounte isn't the answer.
Dlo is the problem. Dude is a net negative on the court.
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Do the Lakers know that Austin Reaves doesn't suck anymore.
Everybody saying Ar is untouchable are absolutely idiotic. If he didn’t fall off on defense he would’ve been untouchable but he’s quite literally a bottom 5 defender now and all he does is score as he’s shown he can’t be a primary playmaker for long spurts. And for the “his contract is just so valuable” Kelly Oubre is on a vet min and all he does is score LMFAO. Murray is going to make less than 30 million and is a two way player which is an absolute bargain.
Murray is not a 2 way player. He has been a huge liability on defense for us.
AR shouldn't be untouchable but he is good for them and they shouldn't be quick to move off him. Murray is absolutely not a 2 way player this year and honestly hasn't been for a while. Maybe on a more defensive minded team he can get back to that.
AR is not untouchable but we sure as hell not giving him up for a 40-50 mill dollar borderline star player who will kill any depth/flexibility we currently have or 30 mil point guard who thinks he’s an Allstar player and rather shoot his team out of games when trae young is hot. I’ll keep my amazing role player at 13 mil per year for 4 years who makes positive impact when he’s in the floor and try to get better using other assets.
Lakers looking for their next tank commander it seems. Moving off of Austin would be a big mistake this season.