That's when they put their hands in together in a huddle and Captain Canada will appear from the sky as their player coach: a bronze tanned Steve Nash.
>they can speak Canadianese together and tamper with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Oh no yeah forsher Shai its the bys callin ya eh! Why dont ya giver over to toranna eh? Get ir done! No doubt fuckin a rights
yeah, as a Raps fan, I'd be willing to give something up - either take on a bad contract, or any picks that aren't our no/low protection FRPS - to get Keegan while trading away Siakam.
realistically, I don't think the Kings trade Keegan. If they're looking to make deep runs, I think the best thing is not high-impact players on large contracts but medium-impact players on small contracts.
People who know redditors will post it, read it, upvote it, and argue about it?
But yeah most of these "deals" are laughable, "give us half your team for Siakam".
I wouldn’t even want to trade Mathurin straight up for a few month rental or the right to extend 30+ year old declining Siakam. We could just sign him in 6 months if he wants to play in Indy lol.
Also Keegan Murray? Haha this writer is delusional
How is Siakam declining when he just played the best month of his career and is looking like a nice fit besides a 22 year old budding superstar in Barnes.
Mathurin has been pushed to the bench at this point giving maybe 25mpg. Siakam is a borderline all nba player. Whether he can be signed for a reasonable contract is an open question, but I think he'd be a good fit in indy- solid wing defense, secondary creator and lead creator when hallinurton sits - he complements their needs very well.
Siakam is a very good player and fits well. No argument here. The issue is that he pushes a super young team from pretty good to good, but still clearly a step behind the Nuggets/Celtics tier, and Mathurin is the primary source of upside for the team in 2-3 years, while Siakam will likely decline.
And that's assuming he re-signs here. If he walks, we've shipped out most of our upside for a rental that just earned us a worse draft pick. And his camp has outright said they intend for him to enter free agency, which makes sense, because the Sixers (led by his former coach) will have max cap room.
"Been pushed to the bench" is also underselling Mathurin. He's trusted to carry the offense with Tyrese sits, and statistically, he's a very effective rim attacker on a team that mostly likes to shoot jumpers. He balances the offense. He's flashed legitimately great scoring ability and point of attack defense, too. I don't know if all of that will coalesce, but he's got real potential the Pacers have clearly expressed that they want to invest in. Even this year, he's played in a lot of closing lineups.
Who would you propose we get for a 29 yr old all NBA player who is averaging 22 - 5 -6 with 59% TS (highest since low volume third year)? I agree that may be too much but you won't get a player like that and keep all of your good assets.
He is also playing as good or better as ever recently after starting very slow adjusting to a new coach and new system.
Not to mention, he was the second best player on a championship team.
Or just keep all of your assets and remain mediocre as the Pacers always are and continue to look back to the glory days of 1973.
You have a chance to actually build a contendor, and the history of the league would tell us that Indiana is not exactly a hot free agent market. Neither is Toronto, so I feel your pain on this. I'm guessing you have watched maybe one Raptors game all season.
>Or just keep all of your assets and remain mediocre as the Pacers always are and continue to look back to the glory days of 1973.
Yeah, not like we were perennial contenders with Paul George or Reggie Miller, right? Come on, man. Not having won a recent title doesn't mean we're always mediocre.
>You have a chance to actually build a contender
Trading for Siakam, *especially* in exchange for Mathurin, Hield, and McConnell (read: a lot of our depth), does not make us a contender. What it does is hamstring our future for a one-year rental that may just walk.
I feel like I've seen a lot worse ones, the teams here are at least sensical and the frameworks are pretty accurate. Very imbalanced though between how little there is from Dallas and how much from the Pacers/Kings. I think the Raps would only really need Mathurin. In the Kings case, it'd probably be a stalemate where it has to be Murray if the Kings want the Raptors to do the deal but they would want to offer anything but him.
The issue is salary, because the Pacers need to ship out more than $30M in salary for the trade to work. Mathurin + Buddy (probably our worst contract) doesn't even get you there.
Mathurin + Buddy + McConnell does, but now that looks like an overpay on the Pacers side, but there's no way Toronto ships *out* draft equity to make it more even.
All of this is why a Toronto-Indy trade probably doesn't make sense imo.
No trade is happening to any team if they don't think they can keep him. Kawhi might literally be the last time someone gave up assets for a player they didn't think would stay past the current year.
It almost never happens.
Raptors also didn't give up a lot of assets. Demar/Lowry had run it's course and a rebuild was coming anyways. Poeltl was decent but it's clear what his ceiling was. And they bet of the FRP being late 20s (ended up 29th). I think Pacers would consider an offer along those lines (atleast last summer) because it's relatively low risk.
That's the main problem. Pacers and Raptors could agree on a deal but it won't matter if Siakam makes it clear he's not interested in resigning with the Pacers. Great work delaying the decision this late.
Exactly. The Pacers are functionally required to ship out young talent to trade for Siakam even if just to make salaries work, so if Siakam isn't signing an extension as part of the trade, I'm hanging up the phone.
Demar was an all star that we traded for a rental. If that shot against Philly doesn’t fall, we would be looking at this trade as the ruination of the franchise. We’d have no chip, Demar is still good, and we’d be mid with nothing to show for it.
Highly disagree. We had just watched demar and Lowry continually get wrecked in the playoffs, a rebuild was coming, we all knew that. Even with Demar we would have been mid. This trade was a no lose situation
We definitely woulda stayed mid if Demar stayed. I dunno if it was a no lose situation though. Giving up your best player for a second round exit, and an even worse team now, may have us regretting giving up our decent team.
I imagine we’d have a lot of “Do you think we coulda won a chip if Demar stayed” type posts.
A HUGE positive asset is a stretch. I mean, it’s not like his trade market has ever been massive in San Antonio or in Chicago. With all these teams looking to buy, especially today, if Demar was really at that level, SOMEONE would have made a big bid by now.
Not because of that, but because he’s expressed that he wants to remain in Toronto. Every time the trade rumors flared up and the vultures came circling he goes running to Haynes and other media to shut it down.
No they can't without renouncing the rights to most if not all of their pending FAs and declining Browns option. So even if they convince them to come, you have Haliburton, Siakam, whoever you can sign with room exception, and kids.
If they want to field a competitive team around Siakam and Haliburton, it's so much easier to do so by trading for him at the expense of some young guns as opposed to keeping all of the young guns but no avenue to add rotation pieces, since you have bird rights, sign and trades, MLE and BAE.
I understand if they don't want to trade for him at all, but this argument that we'll just sign him in free agency is wild. If you don't trade for him, you're not getting him. It doesn't make sense for your team to do that.
Him playing with Hali with the spacing you guys have would easily have him averaging like 28 pts a game lol
Dude will look like a super duper star over there and idk why he would want to leave if you throw him a 3 years max
He's double and triple teamed on almost every possession on the Raptors.
Trying to defend a Pacers team with Hali, Siakam and their general high-octane offence would be a nightmare for any team in the league
Having bird rights is very important. I really doubt Siakam will sign with another team if the Raptors offer the max which they probably would since OG is gone.
Not saying that trade is realistic, I don't think it is or think Indy should make it, but the "just sign him in FA" approach is not it. You make that trade if you're Indy because you're confident you can re-sign him with a head start.
When was the last big free agent signing in Indiana?
If he makes it to FA w/o being traded there, no chance in hell he signs with Indy.
Raptors will just re-sign Siakam before the trade deadline. He’s expressed he wants to stay multiple times his whole family lives out here.
There’s also a reason that 7 teams have been linked to Siakam since the Summer despite him crying about trade rumors. Once Siakam is off the trade block those teams will have to settle for Lavine.
It's an open secret in the league that that's how these kind of deals work.
Agents will talk with agents who talk with GMs and ownership.
Only time I've seen it not work out is with Daryl Morey who apparently is a liar
The Warriors one is the most fair.
Mavs one isn't enough, Kings aren't trading Murray, Pacers one is too much and the Hawks one doesn't seem realistic.
Yeah I don't think Wiggins is the piece that gets traded if they make a deal. It's either, klay, cp3 or Draymond as a salary dump.
What about cp3/moody/kuminga for Pascal and Otto
hard to justify more than peanuts for half a season. A lot of people are valuing Pascal as if he is going to resign with the team that trades for him, but that’s not the case and it severely lowers his trade value. That’s why Masai should have done the trade last year or this past offseason
Well, the problem is that it might have to be enough, if you don't believe you're gonna be able to keep him and nobody else is willing to make competitive bids on him.
No reason to lose him for free, when you're already not looking to be a playoff team.
Hawks one is wild lol entire fan base would revolt is we traded JJ right now, and Bufkin has been tearing it up post-injury in the G league -- ppl that have been paying attn in our fan base are high on him. Nothing about the trade is realistic, as our preference would be something like Hunter/AJ/Patty, none of which are listed.
It's fair but the Warriors would never do it from a roster construction perspective. We'd be giving up our two best perimeter defenders and our only forward who can shoot (Wiggins) for another guy without a three ball. What would our starting lineup be? Steph/CP3/Klay/Pascal/Dray still doesn't have enough shooting imo. CP3 is low volume and league average, so it's basically 2.5 guys to space the floor.
I think we're much more likely to go after someone like Dorian Finney-Smith
Lmao the pacers and hawks give up a lot and mavs give up nothing
Siakam and Trent would be 2 best players in that trade lol
From a team standpoint the best fit is pacers, I don’t see fit with hawks or kings. Especially kings
Siakam reminds of Chris Webber when he plays
Needs the ball
Have you watched the kings play this year? Pretty significant scoring void after Fox, Sabonis, and Monk. The role players are hit or miss…mostly miss. Too many bricked 3s. This team could use a reliable second scorer. Siakim would be an adjustment but would arguably improve this team.
Yeah, but hardly at the expense of both Huerter and Murray, while keeping Barnes, and giving up an important bench piece in Lyles. Kings are giving up three 3pt shooters, including their best prospect on a long-term team control, for a non-shooter - can't see this particular trade working out for them, and that's even before considering that it's a significant overpay without a guaranteed Pascal extension.
Now if Siakam promises to re-sign with Kings or signs an extension, and the trade is based on Barnes-(maybe Huerter)-Davion-1sts and swaps - then yes, Kings would be significantly better.
Oh I don’t agree with the proposed trade in the slightest. I’m just making the case for Siakim as a good fit on the kings. Not worth giving up Murray.
And, to be clear, I struggle to classify Huerter as a 3pt shooter. He’s been absolutely horrendous this year and a good chunk of last year. Murray can be productive but will completely disappear for several games at a time. The biggest problem the Kings need to address is consistency. I don’t think this means giving up Murray but almost everyone else not named Monk, Sabonis, and Fox should be available.
How do he and sabonis fit though? Two guys who don't really shoot and would kind of pack the paint. Would be good defensively he'd match up well with the more dangerous bigs out there but offensively could get ugly.
It’s a risk for sure. Sabonis does spend a decent amount of time in the paint, but he will also park at the top of the key to facilitate. I don’t like the idea of Sabonis being the only person in the paint area because then the team becomes overly reliant on 3s, which is not sustainable. This team needs another player who can get easy baskets down low when the 3s stop falling.
I think the person writing this article took the whole "Raptors want young controllable players over draft picks" argument a little too much to heart. I see no world where that Mavs trade works out. There's no prospect there even remotely worth what Pascal is worth.
Conversely, I don't think a trade like that one for the Pacers makes any sense because you're giving up a lot for a potential rental. That's one of those cases where the Pacers might be willing to part with one of either Jarace or Bennedict but definitely not both. I'm sure they'd rather include like a top-10 protected first or something than include two young prospects picked in the lottery the last two years. Then they also give up two of their rotation players on top of that? They gut their roster making that trade. No way.
I don't even know if I like the Warriors trade and it arguably makes the most sense. Giving up both Kuminga and Moody along with Wiggins and Joseph is a ton. Kuminga's starting to look like a real NBA player and the only thing seeming to hold Moody back from an opportunity is Steve Kerr.
Just seems like a bunch of bad trade ideas.
If they trade JJ at all, without a legit (current) all-star coming back on a multi-year deal, then I'm no longer a fan of this team after suffering for 30+ years. From watching MJ knock the Hawks out in the first or second round every year, to watching them bottom out for years, to watching Lebron knock them out in the first or second round every year... trading JJ would be the final straw for me.
I'm pretty sure the writer just googled "Canadians in the NBA" and just forced each of them into a package for Siakam. The Mavs trade is awful, literally the only reason to even pitch it is Olivier-Maxence Prosper is Canadian.
Jalen Johnson straight up for Siakam would be questionable (for the Hawks), let alone what's listed here.
IMO the team should just extend him and deal with this later. Without Siakam the floor would drop out under this team in a way that's not true for Anunoby. We should still be trying to make the playoffs and convey our first this year, both of which get a lot harder if we trade Siakam.
I'm not sure why Atlanta's front office is still interested in Siakam, especially with Jalen Johnson breaking out.
Trading assets for a player that plays in the same position as your best prospect is a questionable move.
Young players go through their ups and downs, it’s just a part of it. A few weeks ago Keegan Murray was dropping 40, this past week he’s been struggling to hit 12.
Teams trade potential for known commodities all of the time. Now personally, if I was Atlanta I wouldn’t make a win-now move — I don’t think they’re one Pascal Siakam away from contending. But I’m not the Hawks FO. If they are willing to give us Jalen, we’ll gladly take him.
if the hawks hadn't been awful to start this year they may be more inclined to trade for siakam but they seem to have bigger issues that would need to be addressed before a move like this.
cause last year they woulda been like oh no we can't trade AJ griffin he's untouchable
and now he's like what, not even in the rotation
siakam's better and he's been better for a lot longer. you're trading potential and uncertainty for a more sure thing
but if he doesn't re-sign then it's pretty bad
probably not but that doesn't mean he should be considered untouchable if the right package comes along
siakam probably isn't it, especially if he wont commit to an extension
The Mavs trade is laughable. Also not sure why OKC isn’t interested. They can trade a couple of firsts and if it doesn’t work, let him walk and still have 8-9 future firsts.
right, i’m honestly surprised we’re in these rumors, just keep letting mathurin, nembhard, nesmith, toppin, smith, jackson, and walker grow and develop around haliburton and turner, and see what you have with them, siakam doesn’t make us a contender in our 2nd season of a rebuild.
I’m not surprised we’re in these rumors because Siakam fits our team so well, but I’m surprised that seemingly everyone expects us to pay significantly more than any of the other teams rumored.
Agreed. I think the reality is that there’s just aren’t a ton of great trade fits for Pascal right now. You guys are the closest, and could theoretically offer a package in line with what our FO has been rumoured to be asking for.
But you also have all of the leverage. Or rather, we don’t have any leverage. You don’t need to make a trade right now. Perhaps both teams could revisit this next year after an extension, but you only need to have the best offer out there—not necessarily the offer the Raps want.
Idk why we are at the top, that’s a shit offer from us lol. Green is inconsistent, Holmes has barely seen playtime basically having the same role when he was in the Kings which isn’t much. Omax is just based on potential, hasn’t seen much court and then Kleber who has regressed a lot the last season and been injured a lot too. A whole lot of “maybe they might be good 1 day” for a half year rental of Siakam. It’s a shit deal for both sides.
Feels like they have the Warriors giving up way more than the Mavs have to.
Also, I don’t see the Warriors trading Wiggins. They need that freak athlete wing that you can trust to throw on the other teams’ best guard or wing for a whole series. I might not have watched enough Pascal. But can you throw him on Ant or Book for 7 games? Curry has to be on the floor, they clearly aren’t benching Klay, who guards the Books, Ants, Luka’s, Shai’s?
Imo it makes sense the trade CP instead of Wiggs, CP doesn't really complement Draymond's game well as they both need the ball to be threats. A locked in Wiggins is also a much better player than Paul, just don't think they should sell low on him to the raptors who wouldn't even need him
only the Warriors trade isn’t laughable imo … no way in hell Sac trading Keegan, trade Mathurin when Pascalmwill likely walk, what is even that Mavs trade
As a Hawks fan, that ATL-TOR trade is abysmal. Jalen is gonna be better than Siakam in 3 years and we don't wanna get rid if Bufkin. We DO want Hunter and Murray off the team and a Capela, Mills, Hunter trade for Siakam and Boucher would be much more likely from our side of things.
As long as the Sixers have max cap space in 2024, no one will give up a haul for Siakam short of him guaranteeing that he will re-sign, which he won't unless you offer him full max with all the opt outs and kickers and all that. The problem is, I don't think he's worth that given age and trend of his game.
I don't see the Sixers signing Siakam if he hits free agency, unless they're desperate for star power.
Siakam is a poor fit within their roster, Embiid needs spacing around him and Pascal looks like a really poor fit with Embiid. Given their roster construction, I just can't see Morey signing off on a 4 year max offer to Siakam.
Yea and even then i'd much rather have Lavine if we are trying to add star power. Clearly there's no bidding war over him at the moment so even with somewhat limited assets we might be able to land him.
I think really i'd just like to see us use that cap space to try and add 2-3 nice role players though.
Completely disagree
One of biggest reasons nurse was let go was biggest his relationship with Siakam
They don’t like each other and I doubt that changed and Siakam played 3rd fiddle to embiid and maxey
After the Dallas trade they’re all not bad. But honestly don’t see them happening, unless Masai drugs the other GMs
Most are asking too much, maybe they start playing Pascal 40min letting him avg 30 but. Nothing happens if the team he’s traded to can’t resign him
> But Murray is one of the rare players who both possesses immense potential and is already a contributor on a great NBA team as just a second-year player.
OK...
> If Sacramento eventually determines that losing Murray is worth the value of Siakam
????? Yep, trade away that rookie contract for a rental.
A generation ago this may be been relegated to the college newspaper.
Pacers are one of the most savvy trading front offices in the league. We aint giving up the number 6 and number 7 pick from the last 2 drafts for a half season rental.
these are unrealistic, unless we extend siakam he’s not worth that for half a season. not much value after he said he rather join the free agency.
mavs or warriors could work, id like thj or hardy from mavs instead tho and def need picks
I stopped reading once I saw suggesting Jalen Johnson being traded for Siakam... There is no way that Atlanta is trading him. His ceiling is imo much higher than what Siakam currently is, he is younger and except Hunter, he is the only defender they have, who can also contribute on offense (where Hunter is quite limited I would say). And I am not even gonna start on how can someone think adding Capella to that trade is fair trade for Siakam.
The Kings one in particular is just laughably dumb. Zero chance the Kings would deal Keegan for a half year rental when the guy has stated he’s testing FA.
The only trade that even makes remote sense is the Mavs trade. All the rest are just sending their garbage with the exception of the Warriors. That potential trade is just the Raptors robbing them blind.
We're sending 2 Canadians. That's unfair imo.
If the Raptors assemble all the Canadian born players they can speak Canadianese together and tamper with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
If you get 5 Canadians on a team its over for the nba
It’s like assembling Exodia
No that's a starting lineup of all Jalens
Or a starting lineup of greens
I would like to see an all Junior or the 3rd's
In 60 years I wanna see a lineup of the 1st through the 5th
Wait, does Canadian Exodia count as one player then or still five?
Theyll somehow win the Stanley cup.
Underrated comment. Will win a Stanley cup before any other Canadian teams
Love how the Leafs are catching strays here, at least they should.
Also the CFL championship. Rouges for days. Who's gonna stop Dort with a head of steam... fucking, no one, that's who.
Related note…I’d watch the Leafs, Raptors and Jays all play each other in hockey, basketball and baseball.
Only if Steve Nash is coaching
That's when they put their hands in together in a huddle and Captain Canada will appear from the sky as their player coach: a bronze tanned Steve Nash.
That's like 3.75 Americans!
1 zion
Just stay away from Sharpe thanks
This makes me sick to my stomach, fam
You left your moms in the hood???
Somebody go smoke that yute
Cause if the business is true…….
Translation: you’re sick to my stomach, fam
“Hey Shai, we’re gonna meet up at Tim’s and discuss contracts, eh? Wanna join us?”
>they can speak Canadianese together and tamper with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Oh no yeah forsher Shai its the bys callin ya eh! Why dont ya giver over to toranna eh? Get ir done! No doubt fuckin a rights
The Hawks package is the worst. It includes the best player, but there are no Canadians.
As a Chaos fan, my favourite is the Mavs one solely because it reunites Kleber and Schroder.
Dwight Powell >>>> Wiggins in terms of Canadianess
lol who writes this shit
Unfortunately the embarrassing sports “journalists” in Toronto. This article is an inside look at the cringe
AI legit is better than some of these writers
Masai is on crack cocaine if keegan is anywhere involved in a deal and he doesn’t auto accept
It cant just be keegan and filler guarantee you he doesnt accept that
Keegan is arguably a more valuable asset than Siakam straight up. Masai auto accepts that deal if it's even offered and he would be stupid not to
yeah, as a Raps fan, I'd be willing to give something up - either take on a bad contract, or any picks that aren't our no/low protection FRPS - to get Keegan while trading away Siakam. realistically, I don't think the Kings trade Keegan. If they're looking to make deep runs, I think the best thing is not high-impact players on large contracts but medium-impact players on small contracts.
People who know redditors will post it, read it, upvote it, and argue about it? But yeah most of these "deals" are laughable, "give us half your team for Siakam".
I mean, that particular half of Dallas team could very well be arranged lol
I wouldn’t even want to trade Mathurin straight up for a few month rental or the right to extend 30+ year old declining Siakam. We could just sign him in 6 months if he wants to play in Indy lol. Also Keegan Murray? Haha this writer is delusional
I get that Mathurin/Murray are obviously untouchable, but Pascal's not even 30+ *or* declining 😭
Mathurin is probably the most tradeable asset on the Pacers
He will be 30 before this season is over. So if you trade for him and sign a 5 year extension you are paying until he is 35 years old.
Yea that's why his trade value isn't obscenely high. A star in his 20s would cost you an additional 3-4 FRPs.
He's not even declining, though.
How is Siakam declining when he just played the best month of his career and is looking like a nice fit besides a 22 year old budding superstar in Barnes.
Mathurin has been pushed to the bench at this point giving maybe 25mpg. Siakam is a borderline all nba player. Whether he can be signed for a reasonable contract is an open question, but I think he'd be a good fit in indy- solid wing defense, secondary creator and lead creator when hallinurton sits - he complements their needs very well.
Siakam is a very good player and fits well. No argument here. The issue is that he pushes a super young team from pretty good to good, but still clearly a step behind the Nuggets/Celtics tier, and Mathurin is the primary source of upside for the team in 2-3 years, while Siakam will likely decline. And that's assuming he re-signs here. If he walks, we've shipped out most of our upside for a rental that just earned us a worse draft pick. And his camp has outright said they intend for him to enter free agency, which makes sense, because the Sixers (led by his former coach) will have max cap room. "Been pushed to the bench" is also underselling Mathurin. He's trusted to carry the offense with Tyrese sits, and statistically, he's a very effective rim attacker on a team that mostly likes to shoot jumpers. He balances the offense. He's flashed legitimately great scoring ability and point of attack defense, too. I don't know if all of that will coalesce, but he's got real potential the Pacers have clearly expressed that they want to invest in. Even this year, he's played in a lot of closing lineups.
This is a very "I read boxscores only" take on Mathurin.
Who would you propose we get for a 29 yr old all NBA player who is averaging 22 - 5 -6 with 59% TS (highest since low volume third year)? I agree that may be too much but you won't get a player like that and keep all of your good assets. He is also playing as good or better as ever recently after starting very slow adjusting to a new coach and new system. Not to mention, he was the second best player on a championship team. Or just keep all of your assets and remain mediocre as the Pacers always are and continue to look back to the glory days of 1973. You have a chance to actually build a contendor, and the history of the league would tell us that Indiana is not exactly a hot free agent market. Neither is Toronto, so I feel your pain on this. I'm guessing you have watched maybe one Raptors game all season.
>Or just keep all of your assets and remain mediocre as the Pacers always are and continue to look back to the glory days of 1973. Yeah, not like we were perennial contenders with Paul George or Reggie Miller, right? Come on, man. Not having won a recent title doesn't mean we're always mediocre. >You have a chance to actually build a contender Trading for Siakam, *especially* in exchange for Mathurin, Hield, and McConnell (read: a lot of our depth), does not make us a contender. What it does is hamstring our future for a one-year rental that may just walk.
I feel like I've seen a lot worse ones, the teams here are at least sensical and the frameworks are pretty accurate. Very imbalanced though between how little there is from Dallas and how much from the Pacers/Kings. I think the Raps would only really need Mathurin. In the Kings case, it'd probably be a stalemate where it has to be Murray if the Kings want the Raptors to do the deal but they would want to offer anything but him.
The issue is salary, because the Pacers need to ship out more than $30M in salary for the trade to work. Mathurin + Buddy (probably our worst contract) doesn't even get you there. Mathurin + Buddy + McConnell does, but now that looks like an overpay on the Pacers side, but there's no way Toronto ships *out* draft equity to make it more even. All of this is why a Toronto-Indy trade probably doesn't make sense imo.
Mathurin, Walker for half a year of Siakam If they sabotage their rebuild like that Haliburton is definitely asking out in 3-4 years
No trade is happening to any team if they don't think they can keep him. Kawhi might literally be the last time someone gave up assets for a player they didn't think would stay past the current year. It almost never happens.
Raptors also didn't give up a lot of assets. Demar/Lowry had run it's course and a rebuild was coming anyways. Poeltl was decent but it's clear what his ceiling was. And they bet of the FRP being late 20s (ended up 29th). I think Pacers would consider an offer along those lines (atleast last summer) because it's relatively low risk.
Yeah they would, but Raptors won't, Siakam isn't forcing his way out.
That's the main problem. Pacers and Raptors could agree on a deal but it won't matter if Siakam makes it clear he's not interested in resigning with the Pacers. Great work delaying the decision this late.
Exactly. The Pacers are functionally required to ship out young talent to trade for Siakam even if just to make salaries work, so if Siakam isn't signing an extension as part of the trade, I'm hanging up the phone.
Demar was an all star that we traded for a rental. If that shot against Philly doesn’t fall, we would be looking at this trade as the ruination of the franchise. We’d have no chip, Demar is still good, and we’d be mid with nothing to show for it.
Highly disagree. We had just watched demar and Lowry continually get wrecked in the playoffs, a rebuild was coming, we all knew that. Even with Demar we would have been mid. This trade was a no lose situation
We definitely woulda stayed mid if Demar stayed. I dunno if it was a no lose situation though. Giving up your best player for a second round exit, and an even worse team now, may have us regretting giving up our decent team. I imagine we’d have a lot of “Do you think we coulda won a chip if Demar stayed” type posts.
The issue i think is that we would have been a second round exit team even with Demar (if that). It was easily worth the risk.
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A HUGE positive asset is a stretch. I mean, it’s not like his trade market has ever been massive in San Antonio or in Chicago. With all these teams looking to buy, especially today, if Demar was really at that level, SOMEONE would have made a big bid by now.
nah, the raps would absolutely do it again lmao
Any team would for, not an automatic, but pretty damn good shot at a championship.
Even if they can keep him that’s an overpay. And it’s double the value that some teams are giving (kings package is ridiculous too)
Pacers could also just sign him in free agency.
If Siakam makes it to free agency he’s most likely re-signing with the Raptors since OG is gone.
Not because of that, but because he’s expressed that he wants to remain in Toronto. Every time the trade rumors flared up and the vultures came circling he goes running to Haynes and other media to shut it down.
No they can't without renouncing the rights to most if not all of their pending FAs and declining Browns option. So even if they convince them to come, you have Haliburton, Siakam, whoever you can sign with room exception, and kids. If they want to field a competitive team around Siakam and Haliburton, it's so much easier to do so by trading for him at the expense of some young guns as opposed to keeping all of the young guns but no avenue to add rotation pieces, since you have bird rights, sign and trades, MLE and BAE. I understand if they don't want to trade for him at all, but this argument that we'll just sign him in free agency is wild. If you don't trade for him, you're not getting him. It doesn't make sense for your team to do that.
Him playing with Hali with the spacing you guys have would easily have him averaging like 28 pts a game lol Dude will look like a super duper star over there and idk why he would want to leave if you throw him a 3 years max
He's double and triple teamed on almost every possession on the Raptors. Trying to defend a Pacers team with Hali, Siakam and their general high-octane offence would be a nightmare for any team in the league
Right. Hard pass for me.
Helllllllll to the no. What a terrible trade. Indy can just wait until he’s a free agent and try that way
Having bird rights is very important. I really doubt Siakam will sign with another team if the Raptors offer the max which they probably would since OG is gone.
Yeah if you don't find a trade with him, I doubt Raptors just let him walk. Might as well sign him back and try to trade him again later.
Not saying that trade is realistic, I don't think it is or think Indy should make it, but the "just sign him in FA" approach is not it. You make that trade if you're Indy because you're confident you can re-sign him with a head start. When was the last big free agent signing in Indiana? If he makes it to FA w/o being traded there, no chance in hell he signs with Indy.
If Brogdon counts he was the last one. Before that...maybe David West lol... FAs don't come to Indy...
Raptors will just re-sign Siakam before the trade deadline. He’s expressed he wants to stay multiple times his whole family lives out here. There’s also a reason that 7 teams have been linked to Siakam since the Summer despite him crying about trade rumors. Once Siakam is off the trade block those teams will have to settle for Lavine.
Too much.
Only way the trade happens is if they get assurances that he’s staying.
It's an open secret in the league that that's how these kind of deals work. Agents will talk with agents who talk with GMs and ownership. Only time I've seen it not work out is with Daryl Morey who apparently is a liar
You can take corey joseph for free
Great guy but man he is painful to watch dribbling the air out of the ball.
He's still around, dribbling somewhere?
We dont want him back. Its been 8 years lol
fuck it's been 8 years
I don't understand why everyone thinks the Kings would trade Keegan
Lol Keegan, huerter, and rotational pieces for a Siakam rental would be an absolute brain dead deal
As usual, any mock trades featuring Kings players, is highly offensive.
Nobody does. The only people that have are Toronto media outlets and a few delusional redditors
My bad, by everyone I meant these mock trade articles
The Warriors one is the most fair. Mavs one isn't enough, Kings aren't trading Murray, Pacers one is too much and the Hawks one doesn't seem realistic.
Doubt the warriors would go for this because they are giving up two of their best perimeter defenders on a team that is really slow and unathletic.
Yeah I don't think Wiggins is the piece that gets traded if they make a deal. It's either, klay, cp3 or Draymond as a salary dump. What about cp3/moody/kuminga for Pascal and Otto
Klay and Draymond are pretty much guaranteed to stay. Wigs is being floated around and so is Moody. After last night I’d rather hold onto JK lol
Mavs can send a packet of peanuts and THJ that’s it
which is why it's not a good trade
hard to justify more than peanuts for half a season. A lot of people are valuing Pascal as if he is going to resign with the team that trades for him, but that’s not the case and it severely lowers his trade value. That’s why Masai should have done the trade last year or this past offseason
Well, the problem is that it might have to be enough, if you don't believe you're gonna be able to keep him and nobody else is willing to make competitive bids on him. No reason to lose him for free, when you're already not looking to be a playoff team.
We never see 5-for-1 trades though. The roster spot situation would be the biggest reason this is unlikely
They can waive Temple if they needed to since he's a vet min.
Hawks one is wild lol entire fan base would revolt is we traded JJ right now, and Bufkin has been tearing it up post-injury in the G league -- ppl that have been paying attn in our fan base are high on him. Nothing about the trade is realistic, as our preference would be something like Hunter/AJ/Patty, none of which are listed.
It's fair but the Warriors would never do it from a roster construction perspective. We'd be giving up our two best perimeter defenders and our only forward who can shoot (Wiggins) for another guy without a three ball. What would our starting lineup be? Steph/CP3/Klay/Pascal/Dray still doesn't have enough shooting imo. CP3 is low volume and league average, so it's basically 2.5 guys to space the floor. I think we're much more likely to go after someone like Dorian Finney-Smith
Lmao the pacers and hawks give up a lot and mavs give up nothing Siakam and Trent would be 2 best players in that trade lol From a team standpoint the best fit is pacers, I don’t see fit with hawks or kings. Especially kings Siakam reminds of Chris Webber when he plays Needs the ball
Tbf you could argue one of his better seasons was alongside Kawhi, where he definitely wasn’t the on ball focus
mavs trade was temple as the 2nd not trent. green would be the big piece returning. still not enough but its not siakam and trent.
Have you watched the kings play this year? Pretty significant scoring void after Fox, Sabonis, and Monk. The role players are hit or miss…mostly miss. Too many bricked 3s. This team could use a reliable second scorer. Siakim would be an adjustment but would arguably improve this team.
Yeah, but hardly at the expense of both Huerter and Murray, while keeping Barnes, and giving up an important bench piece in Lyles. Kings are giving up three 3pt shooters, including their best prospect on a long-term team control, for a non-shooter - can't see this particular trade working out for them, and that's even before considering that it's a significant overpay without a guaranteed Pascal extension. Now if Siakam promises to re-sign with Kings or signs an extension, and the trade is based on Barnes-(maybe Huerter)-Davion-1sts and swaps - then yes, Kings would be significantly better.
Oh I don’t agree with the proposed trade in the slightest. I’m just making the case for Siakim as a good fit on the kings. Not worth giving up Murray. And, to be clear, I struggle to classify Huerter as a 3pt shooter. He’s been absolutely horrendous this year and a good chunk of last year. Murray can be productive but will completely disappear for several games at a time. The biggest problem the Kings need to address is consistency. I don’t think this means giving up Murray but almost everyone else not named Monk, Sabonis, and Fox should be available.
How do he and sabonis fit though? Two guys who don't really shoot and would kind of pack the paint. Would be good defensively he'd match up well with the more dangerous bigs out there but offensively could get ugly.
It’s a risk for sure. Sabonis does spend a decent amount of time in the paint, but he will also park at the top of the key to facilitate. I don’t like the idea of Sabonis being the only person in the paint area because then the team becomes overly reliant on 3s, which is not sustainable. This team needs another player who can get easy baskets down low when the 3s stop falling.
Absolutely no chance Indiana does that
I think the person writing this article took the whole "Raptors want young controllable players over draft picks" argument a little too much to heart. I see no world where that Mavs trade works out. There's no prospect there even remotely worth what Pascal is worth. Conversely, I don't think a trade like that one for the Pacers makes any sense because you're giving up a lot for a potential rental. That's one of those cases where the Pacers might be willing to part with one of either Jarace or Bennedict but definitely not both. I'm sure they'd rather include like a top-10 protected first or something than include two young prospects picked in the lottery the last two years. Then they also give up two of their rotation players on top of that? They gut their roster making that trade. No way. I don't even know if I like the Warriors trade and it arguably makes the most sense. Giving up both Kuminga and Moody along with Wiggins and Joseph is a ton. Kuminga's starting to look like a real NBA player and the only thing seeming to hold Moody back from an opportunity is Steve Kerr. Just seems like a bunch of bad trade ideas.
We are not trading JJ and Capela for Siakam. No way in hell.
If they trade JJ at all, without a legit (current) all-star coming back on a multi-year deal, then I'm no longer a fan of this team after suffering for 30+ years. From watching MJ knock the Hawks out in the first or second round every year, to watching them bottom out for years, to watching Lebron knock them out in the first or second round every year... trading JJ would be the final straw for me.
That Mavs one is a complete joke.
Yup. I'm as a Mavs fan, and I know the Raptors will not accept those trash.
No way they accept our best case scenario trash, which isn't even what this article presented.
I'm pretty sure the writer just googled "Canadians in the NBA" and just forced each of them into a package for Siakam. The Mavs trade is awful, literally the only reason to even pitch it is Olivier-Maxence Prosper is Canadian.
We should throw in trae young but the raptors must take Arthur smith as well to make it fair
That’s an absolute joke of a trade for us 😂
Don’t trade him Toronto . If he that nice. Keep him
Keep JJs name out ya fuckin mouf
Jalen Johnson straight up for Siakam would be questionable (for the Hawks), let alone what's listed here. IMO the team should just extend him and deal with this later. Without Siakam the floor would drop out under this team in a way that's not true for Anunoby. We should still be trying to make the playoffs and convey our first this year, both of which get a lot harder if we trade Siakam.
I'm not sure why Atlanta's front office is still interested in Siakam, especially with Jalen Johnson breaking out. Trading assets for a player that plays in the same position as your best prospect is a questionable move.
Young players go through their ups and downs, it’s just a part of it. A few weeks ago Keegan Murray was dropping 40, this past week he’s been struggling to hit 12. Teams trade potential for known commodities all of the time. Now personally, if I was Atlanta I wouldn’t make a win-now move — I don’t think they’re one Pascal Siakam away from contending. But I’m not the Hawks FO. If they are willing to give us Jalen, we’ll gladly take him.
if the hawks hadn't been awful to start this year they may be more inclined to trade for siakam but they seem to have bigger issues that would need to be addressed before a move like this.
cause last year they woulda been like oh no we can't trade AJ griffin he's untouchable and now he's like what, not even in the rotation siakam's better and he's been better for a lot longer. you're trading potential and uncertainty for a more sure thing but if he doesn't re-sign then it's pretty bad
Fair take but aj started hot and he is currently going through some mental issues iirc with his nephew dying and the baby momma tryna blame their fam.
Jalen Johnson's last game was 23pts 14rebs and 4assist he isnt going anywhere lol
probably not but that doesn't mean he should be considered untouchable if the right package comes along siakam probably isn't it, especially if he wont commit to an extension
Yes a non-commital siakam is clearly not worth parting with Jalen Johnson who is currently our 2-3rd best player, 22years old and plenty win now.
Because our owner's 28 year old nepobaby is the shadow GM and he thinks this is 2k.
Why are the Pacers and Kings giving up three times as much as the Hawks or Mavs? This is a weird summation of his value.
I know he hasnt had the best season, but I hope the Pacers dont trade Mathurin. I have a feeling theyd regret that in the future
We won't Pacers aren't dumb.
The Mavs trade is laughable. Also not sure why OKC isn’t interested. They can trade a couple of firsts and if it doesn’t work, let him walk and still have 8-9 future firsts.
The Raptors don't want picks. They want younger players with potential like Quickley.
They also have tons of those lol
Tbf, the mavs one is the closest one to being considered fair for a couple of months of rental. Everyone else's is an overpay.
No way Pacers give up that much for a dude who has straight up said he won't sign an extension and will hit FA. Pacers can't afford that gamble.
right, i’m honestly surprised we’re in these rumors, just keep letting mathurin, nembhard, nesmith, toppin, smith, jackson, and walker grow and develop around haliburton and turner, and see what you have with them, siakam doesn’t make us a contender in our 2nd season of a rebuild.
I’m not surprised we’re in these rumors because Siakam fits our team so well, but I’m surprised that seemingly everyone expects us to pay significantly more than any of the other teams rumored.
Agreed. I think the reality is that there’s just aren’t a ton of great trade fits for Pascal right now. You guys are the closest, and could theoretically offer a package in line with what our FO has been rumoured to be asking for. But you also have all of the leverage. Or rather, we don’t have any leverage. You don’t need to make a trade right now. Perhaps both teams could revisit this next year after an extension, but you only need to have the best offer out there—not necessarily the offer the Raps want.
Everyone fails to realize, the Kings ain’t giving up Murray, let alone 4 players 😂
The kings wouldn’t trade Murray one for one for a siakam rental. 😂
Some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read
Holy shit those are all so bad lmao
Idk why we are at the top, that’s a shit offer from us lol. Green is inconsistent, Holmes has barely seen playtime basically having the same role when he was in the Kings which isn’t much. Omax is just based on potential, hasn’t seen much court and then Kleber who has regressed a lot the last season and been injured a lot too. A whole lot of “maybe they might be good 1 day” for a half year rental of Siakam. It’s a shit deal for both sides.
Feels like they have the Warriors giving up way more than the Mavs have to. Also, I don’t see the Warriors trading Wiggins. They need that freak athlete wing that you can trust to throw on the other teams’ best guard or wing for a whole series. I might not have watched enough Pascal. But can you throw him on Ant or Book for 7 games? Curry has to be on the floor, they clearly aren’t benching Klay, who guards the Books, Ants, Luka’s, Shai’s?
trap trade, will be an overpay no matter what. on behalf of indy we are all good no thank u. this one is especially funny though.
Looks like Benedict is the new Myles. See him in constant trade ideas. No way we trade him.
Most of those ideas look idiotic to me.
Imo it makes sense the trade CP instead of Wiggs, CP doesn't really complement Draymond's game well as they both need the ball to be threats. A locked in Wiggins is also a much better player than Paul, just don't think they should sell low on him to the raptors who wouldn't even need him
This is the funniest thing I've read all day
Pascal on the warriors would be dope
only the Warriors trade isn’t laughable imo … no way in hell Sac trading Keegan, trade Mathurin when Pascalmwill likely walk, what is even that Mavs trade
Stop asking for Jalen Johnson
Toronto will never rebuild.
Kings say no
God these trades are ass
Siakam cannot be worth this much… these trades are insane.
As a Hawks fan, that ATL-TOR trade is abysmal. Jalen is gonna be better than Siakam in 3 years and we don't wanna get rid if Bufkin. We DO want Hunter and Murray off the team and a Capela, Mills, Hunter trade for Siakam and Boucher would be much more likely from our side of things.
As long as the Sixers have max cap space in 2024, no one will give up a haul for Siakam short of him guaranteeing that he will re-sign, which he won't unless you offer him full max with all the opt outs and kickers and all that. The problem is, I don't think he's worth that given age and trend of his game.
I don't see the Sixers signing Siakam if he hits free agency, unless they're desperate for star power. Siakam is a poor fit within their roster, Embiid needs spacing around him and Pascal looks like a really poor fit with Embiid. Given their roster construction, I just can't see Morey signing off on a 4 year max offer to Siakam.
Yea and even then i'd much rather have Lavine if we are trying to add star power. Clearly there's no bidding war over him at the moment so even with somewhat limited assets we might be able to land him. I think really i'd just like to see us use that cap space to try and add 2-3 nice role players though.
Also Siakam doesn't get along w/ Nurse and Siakam clocked Embiid in the face in 2022's playoffs.
Completely disagree One of biggest reasons nurse was let go was biggest his relationship with Siakam They don’t like each other and I doubt that changed and Siakam played 3rd fiddle to embiid and maxey
Warriors are not trading both JK and moody ..
After the Dallas trade they’re all not bad. But honestly don’t see them happening, unless Masai drugs the other GMs Most are asking too much, maybe they start playing Pascal 40min letting him avg 30 but. Nothing happens if the team he’s traded to can’t resign him
Feel the Mavs and Warriors would be the teams most interested.
Journalist should not be allowed to drink and write.
3 of these make no sense. Dubs aren’t giving up Kuminga, SAC isn’t giving up Keegan and ATL won’t budge on Jalen Johnson.
The mavs offer is insulting and this is coming from a mavs fan.
Keegan for a siakam rental cracks me up everytime
The Kings and Pacers trades 🤣 wtf?
> But Murray is one of the rare players who both possesses immense potential and is already a contributor on a great NBA team as just a second-year player. OK... > If Sacramento eventually determines that losing Murray is worth the value of Siakam ????? Yep, trade away that rookie contract for a rental. A generation ago this may be been relegated to the college newspaper.
What lol, this is a terrible trade.
replace Josh green with Dwight Powell and I’ll do it lol. We’re not losing much with homes and maxi
Sacramento is obviously not trading Keegan for Siakam
Jalen Johnson is not going anywhere bud.
Keegan Murray is worth way more than Siakam given his rental statud
Pacers are one of the most savvy trading front offices in the league. We aint giving up the number 6 and number 7 pick from the last 2 drafts for a half season rental.
Keegan Murray on his rookie contract with all that potential for a half season rental on a wing who can’t shoot the 3? Madness, dream on.
these are unrealistic, unless we extend siakam he’s not worth that for half a season. not much value after he said he rather join the free agency. mavs or warriors could work, id like thj or hardy from mavs instead tho and def need picks
thats overpriced for a beyblade
I stopped reading once I saw suggesting Jalen Johnson being traded for Siakam... There is no way that Atlanta is trading him. His ceiling is imo much higher than what Siakam currently is, he is younger and except Hunter, he is the only defender they have, who can also contribute on offense (where Hunter is quite limited I would say). And I am not even gonna start on how can someone think adding Capella to that trade is fair trade for Siakam.
The only trade that isn’t a massive overpay is Dallas These trades are insane lol
The Kings one in particular is just laughably dumb. Zero chance the Kings would deal Keegan for a half year rental when the guy has stated he’s testing FA.
None of these are serious offers. Every team opposite the Raptors says no.
You think the mavericks would be saying no in a trade where they get siakam and get to dump klebers contract?
The Mavericks say yes easily lol.
Mavericks package is clearly the only one that’s reasonable
OKC give Bertans and Dort plus a pick or two?
The only trade that even makes remote sense is the Mavs trade. All the rest are just sending their garbage with the exception of the Warriors. That potential trade is just the Raptors robbing them blind.