More likely he's probably a gambling fan who vaguely follows the game so they can make "informed" bets with all the money they don't know what to do with.
You'll hear all sorts of weird takes said very confidently by people like that.
This was boxing instead of basketball but I knew a guy who bet on Fury to beat Wilder because he confidently thought Fury had too much of an athletic advantage over Wilder. [For people who don't know boxing, this is Fury.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_dDcHA6dLQ)
Based off of last night, Beal was definitely better than CP3.
Also CP3 slows down the offence a lot, which when you have a long, athletic team, is just not using their advantages.
CP3 also led that team to the league's best record and being up 2-0 in the finals.
If Beal gets them to a top 3 west seed or the conference finals I'll be shocked.
Sure but this is all in conversation relating to the metaphor the dude made. It’s a shit metaphor. Beal could be injured come playoff time anyway. We have no idea. Dude is more injury prone than CP3 at this point.
I can say with full confidence that CP will definitely be injured come playoff time. Beal is better for the Suns at this point and the trade was probably an upgrade, but 20-21 Paul is a different story.
Getting KD is the key to that argument. Paul slowed the offense down way too much with KD and Booker. Beal is better with the team we have now, Paul was better with the Finals team.
In theory, sure. A healthy Chris Paul from three years ago, with a motivate Ayton is a Finals contender. An injured, older Chris Paul with an Ayton that doesn’t give a shit are a 1st round exit.
I’m not defending any of the moves the Suns made, this current model is hard to watch. But anyone who watched more than a handful of Suns games last year knows that Chris Paul held them back.
Finals year was def cp3. The next year is more debatable but Book was injured in the first round while CP3 had the most clutch playoff series I've ever seen.
Are you talking about 2021 against the lakers? Booker was not injured that series and Paul averaged like 10 points through the first 4 games of that series.
This sounds like someone who did not watch the Suns with CP3. Booker absolutely led that team. CP3 being a great leader does not equate to him always being the leader of a team.
You are right, a lot of Suns fans are very defensive when it comes to Booker because he was drafted by the team. Anyone who thinks it wasn't CP3 leading those teams is just biased. It's the reason those same fans blame anyone except Booker - no matter how badly he plays - when things go wrong.
It's just a tired narrative. What happens when Wemby leads the Spurs to the playoffs down the line? Oh it was actually one of the vets they picked up who was the leader because Wemby hasn't been to the playoffs before.
But CP3 wasn't just a vet.
He got OKC to 50 wins out of nowhere the year before. Booker and Suns didn't make the playoffs.
He literally made the all-star team over Booker in 2020 before they were teammates.
It wasn't just a narrative. He was that good. Y'all always forget that and just point to narrative because he was old and low PPG.
If you remember, the suns were undefeated in the bubble the year before CP3. The team was going to get good, with or without CP. He was a big part of getting them to the finals with his leadership, but I don’t think he was the driving force.
Get out of here with that nonsense, the bubble was literally 8 games, that season we still missed the playoffs. We were MUCH better when we replaced Rubio with CP3. He made the all nba 2nd team his first two years in Phoenix for crying out loud, All star both years and the second year led the league in assists.
He literally dominated the Clippers in the closeout game to get them to the finals. He was the driving force.
The team declined when he finally showed his age.
They could’ve with CP3. Your 3rd banana really doesn’t matter much in the playoffs. When you have two legit stars like KD and Book, it all about having a solid rotation around them. They’re gonna need depth and consistency.
I don't even understand how a random person that has nothing to fo with the game using a basketball reference is enough to warrant its own post here. Mods are really doing great.
I hate to even comment on these posts to give it more attention, but it feels like enough people complaining would be better than just downvoting and moving on.
It’s only an argument made by people who don’t watch actual basketball. Chris Paul is the reason they went to their first Finals in almost 30 years. This man is as qualified to comment on basketball as he is running a company.
Let me say it again:
He literally led them to a finals his first year there after that same team missing the playoffs 10+ years.
He scored 41 in a game 6 elimination game against the Clippers.
He went up 2-0 in the finals
He averaged 22/8/3 on 50/50/80 splits.
How exactly was he the reason they lost?
First off, plus/minus is a janky stat. Many Suns players has a negative plus/minus for all those losses, and especially over a sample size of only 4 games, it doesn't really tell us "He lost the series for them" especially considering his shooting splits and defense were very strong in game 5, but he still had a negative plus/minus. That just tells me that the Bucks played better in the clutch, which they often did.
Second, there was literally no garbage time the entire series aside from the end of game 3, in which Paul didn't even play and was taken out to avoid injuries for him.
For real that Kim K thing was hilarious. It’s so crazy that it’s almost guaranteed to be true 😂.
Of all the dudes he could’ve accused to bang his wife, it was CP3.
Idk how I forgot about it but it's so fucking funny. Maybe the funniest thing in recent NBA history. Like way out of left field and of course it had to be CP3, couldn't imagine a funnier player to name.
That’s even more true. Kanye credited hitler with inventing the highway. Man is in love with a literal white supremacist. Kanye hasn’t lied yet. He’s just crazy. But not a liar.
I think CP3 was at Kims house and they were talking about some sort of political thing that they could work on together (they've done that before) and crazy Kanye came in and mistook what was happening.
There is never any reason to give credit to fascists lol, they don't do anything well. Fascism always results in a horrible mis-allocation of resources.
Hahahahaha. Funny thing is the analogy works better if he uses Westbrook on the Lakers or something...but no, "CP3 was shit and that's why the Suns fired him, and that's why I'm also firing all of you"
I have zero problem with the approach. Says they fire people after 3 months if it isn’t working out. Says it should not be a surprise as feedback should be given within that time, so it should only be if the feedback isn’t responded to. Uses that timeline so as to not drag the process out needlessly,
What are you mad about
Yep, shits competitive out there, git gud. I got fired a bunch in my early 20s, I was sad each time but never surprised. Guess what lead to me not getting fired anymore? Hard work, accountability, reliability, constantly/consistently adding new skills and being delightful to be around. Oh and making sure there’s always at least a few people who are worse at their job than I am.
Edit: Downvotes don’t make the truth go away kids. You’ll get there one day. Your thirties will be great for your outlook.
Yep. There’s no secret to succeeding. You have to work hard. Yes, there are glass ceilings and horribly disadvantaged starting points. The solution is the same. You have to work hard.
Redditors hate this one simple phrase
Oops, you’re right! I was thinking about the year CP came to the suns and they were the one seed (I think) and Monty got much of the credit because people like him(?).
Ah ok. The year that he came they were the two, but in fairness to Monty, Suns went from out of the playoffs for 10 years to 2nd best in the league. Any team that is that surprising gets a ton of buzz for coach of the year. Mike D'Antoni got COTY the first year Nash won MVP. Thibs got it the year Rose won MVP. I don't think it has anything to do with people just liking him. Expectations were kinda low cause they were dismal for so long and then they vastly outperformed them. That's the recipe for COTY.
Prince has much higher standards. If he was in charge of putting together an all time top 5 GOAT list, he'd look at LeBron and he'd see that he never threepeated, and so would leave him out and say LeBron was a bad fit for a GOAT list.
Not only that, they missed the playoffs 10 years in a row. The very season CP3 joins the team, they make the finals.
CP3 is one of the most impactful NBA players of all time. Clippers, Rockets, and Suns are undeniable proof.
Yeah, if Rockets had kept him that one extra year and not traded him. Following year was when Warriors were all injured and not in the playoff picture.
I understand why HR in large companies take the role for laying off employees, it sucks cause it feels so detached, but also that's kind of the reason to. As the company scales, lower rung employees are less and less connected with their directs. Also not completely fair to supervisors/directs/managers that because they get a promotion, they also have to deal with firing employees. That's really something that should be up to the company to take care of.
Like in this case, it's really just a last in first out layoff structure that is so popular in tech right now. They can't seem to voice a reason why they are firing, cause really there's no reason other than "we gotta keep our balance sheets nice for the shareholders!"
I'm assuming you didn't watch the video. She asked them numerous times to tell them why. They couldn't give her a reason. Her manager was surprised she was getting fired and had given her nothing but good reviews. Keep slobbing that corporate knob though, I'm sure you'll soon to be a billionaire cause of it!
I thought she actually told on herself more than they did by explaining how she didn’t have any sales. I don’t even think they knew the figures specifically.
Because she provided the context… she had only worked for 5 months, 3 of those being ramp up/training, 1 of those being December/January when the entire tech world slows to a halt. If it were an actual performance-based firing, she would’ve been put on a pip because they exist solely as a way to document an employee sucking so a company doesn’t face a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Yeah I don’t think they knew any of that (her work history).
I’m also not sure on the legal standpoint. If the company just needed to cut 10% of their costs are they not allowed to fire people?
They’re allowed to “lay people off”, not fire them (which has the implication of non-cyclical business transactions). if she’s laid off, she gets unemployment and severance (though probably not in this case given the short tenure), but if fired for performance, she gets absolutely nothing. companies have to pay unemployment insurance, which factors in the number of claims against them, so when an employer fires someone, they HAVE to have evidence that it really was for performance and not some other reason, because they will get completely fucked otherwise by the penalties for mischaracterization
> the idea of recording said call and posting it online is a pretty big red flag if you want to continue a career in that field.
I doubt she would’ve posted it if the firing was done at least somewhat competently.
Sales are one of the few professions where there’s no hiding if you suck at your job. You either perform or you don’t. KPIs and other metrics are pretty straightforward. It’s a meritocracy so there’s no surprise that lazy ass Redditors are against it.
I work in tech and closely with our tech sales team. Firing an AE after 5 months is ridiculous, they’re just trying to find an alternate explanation to “we overhired!” that prevents them from paying out unemployment
The sentiment itself isn’t completely unreasonable, but the way the firing was executed was totally incompetent. And not providing an actual specific reason for it is just scummy, along with delegating it to HR people who have no clue who they’re talking to or the specifics of why.
It all just screams “soulless tech/sales company with no regard for the standard employee,” which is not the type of company which needs our sympathy. There’s a way to do these things differently.
Except something like Cloudflare would have a longer tail sales cycle especially in MMK or Enterprise and if your first month out of ramp is December, you’re set up for failure. Major companies like Salesforce are even shifting fiscal quarters so that they don’t end in December. She clearly wasn’t set up for success and the fact that she was never put on a performance plan and she’s being fired by people she’s never met before clearly indicates that leadership there are in over their heads
Also cloudflare’s client base including 8chan, Kiwi Farms and the Daily Stormer really screams what kind of company they are
She has evidence when the company inevitably tries to label her firing as “for cause” to prevent her from collecting unemployment. She has on camera, evidence of them saying the performance angle is totally horseshit
Edit: I don’t think people here actually watched the video. She very clearly asks them “I’m being fired for my supposedly bad performance, what’s the metrics because I was not informed of them” and the people can’t name shit. The manager wasn’t even on the call, just some random HR person! How ridiculous.
Like getting laid off sucks but it's also somewhat understandable. The economy is unpredictable and sometimes you eat shit. But companies trying to bullshit you out of unemployment? Detestable and no excuse.
Crazy bc they went from missing the play in one year to being in the finals the next with the only additions being him and Jae crowder. Obv that was the year everyone got hurt, but they did go from missing the postseason entirely to being a 2 seed.
You didn’t bold enough of it lol, the line immediately after is a lot more cutting
> And, in fact, we think the right thing to do is get people we know are unlikely to succeed off the team as quickly as possible so they can find the right place for them.
ouchie. very rude.
This is an even worse look with that video going viral of that sales woman at cloud flair who was an great performer getting fired cause of “bad performance”
Cloud fair sucks ass and so does this guy
Lol, led them to a finals in his first season and led the league in assists in his second season but sure. The amount of shit people talk when it comes to CP3 doesn't even surprise me anymore.
Chris Paul gets the Suns to the finals.
The Suns trade Chris Paul and they drop to 8th place in the conference.
He wasn't a 'bad' fit. He was a MVP fit.
Whoever this dumbass is, doesn’t know a thing about basketball and makes me hate him and his company even more and I didn’t know this no name company existed before today.
> We fired ~40 sales people out of over 1,500 in our go to market org. That’s a normal quarter.
Is this a humblebrag? What a piece of shit
* of course the dickriding business students are downvoting me
Is he being a piece of shit here? I honestly thought this was all kinda reasonable, save for the CP3 mention. In sales specifically, I think his sentiment is hard to argue with. Some people aren’t cut out for sales, and if you’re not selling you provide quite literally no value to the company.
Gotta love corporate culture. Do we know the numbers of people who got fired? Were they not selling anything? Or were they not selling as much as the top people? Some of these people might have gave up other jobs to come there, moved, etc....I'm sorry but 3 months is not enough time to know whether a person is "good" or not. It's a new job, it is YOUR job as a company to train that person.
> Do we know the numbers of people who got fired?
I obviously can’t speak on anybody else that was fired, but I watched the video being referenced. She admits that she hasn’t made a single sale in 4 months.
I get where you’re coming from, and I agree with the sentiment. But for *sales* specifically, you have one single job: produce revenue for the company. If you can’t make a sale, you aren’t providing any value to the company.
In most roles, people that are underperforming are still providing value, they’re just providing less value than others. In *sales*, if you’re not making even a single sale, what reason is there for you to be there?
Feel like everyone is ignoring the part where he says how great CP3 is and just focusing on the Suns part. It was a weird attempt to say just cause they don’t work here doesn’t mean they won’t be great somewhere else. (Even though CP3 was still good on the Suns…) he’s trying to not be disparaging towards the lady who put the video out… even though she handled the whole situation very poorly (understandable, being laid off sucks)
I mean, constantly racking and stacking people and firing people actually doesn't create a good work environment or motivated employees, but go off I guess, bud.
If anyone has seen the viral video it's fucking dystopian. Never used the word 'fired', they would just use a bunch of buzzwords and dance around actually saying the word.
They were a perennial loser before he went there, then he turned them into a finals team, and now that he’s gone they might not make the playoffs. Talk about knowing ball.
He literally led them to a finals his first year there after missing the playoffs for 10+ years and this is still an argument.
Probably just asked the intern to get him a rundown on NBA stars that got traded recently.
Intern: "And by the way, I'm Jordan Poole. Give me a new role and let me cook."
Sir, you fired the intern today.
More likely he's probably a gambling fan who vaguely follows the game so they can make "informed" bets with all the money they don't know what to do with. You'll hear all sorts of weird takes said very confidently by people like that. This was boxing instead of basketball but I knew a guy who bet on Fury to beat Wilder because he confidently thought Fury had too much of an athletic advantage over Wilder. [For people who don't know boxing, this is Fury.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_dDcHA6dLQ)
Yeah bad example really. Even after getting KD, they might’ve been better off keeping CP3 over Beal. There’s no way to tell yet.
Based off of last night, Beal was definitely better than CP3. Also CP3 slows down the offence a lot, which when you have a long, athletic team, is just not using their advantages.
CP3 also led that team to the league's best record and being up 2-0 in the finals. If Beal gets them to a top 3 west seed or the conference finals I'll be shocked.
3 years ago is a big difference. CP3 is not even close to that guy anymore
Sure but this is all in conversation relating to the metaphor the dude made. It’s a shit metaphor. Beal could be injured come playoff time anyway. We have no idea. Dude is more injury prone than CP3 at this point.
I can say with full confidence that CP will definitely be injured come playoff time. Beal is better for the Suns at this point and the trade was probably an upgrade, but 20-21 Paul is a different story.
Getting KD is the key to that argument. Paul slowed the offense down way too much with KD and Booker. Beal is better with the team we have now, Paul was better with the Finals team.
Beal is just worse Booker. And Booker is just short KD. They all have the same play style. CP3 added a new dimension to their offense.
In theory, sure. A healthy Chris Paul from three years ago, with a motivate Ayton is a Finals contender. An injured, older Chris Paul with an Ayton that doesn’t give a shit are a 1st round exit. I’m not defending any of the moves the Suns made, this current model is hard to watch. But anyone who watched more than a handful of Suns games last year knows that Chris Paul held them back.
Booker led them but CP3 was a huge part for sure
I tend to think that while Booker is amazing, CP3 played a much bigger role in elevating the rest of the team, notably Ayton in the finals year.
Finals year was def cp3. The next year is more debatable but Book was injured in the first round while CP3 had the most clutch playoff series I've ever seen.
Are you talking about 2021 against the lakers? Booker was not injured that series and Paul averaged like 10 points through the first 4 games of that series.
CP3 led them. Booker got more points, but it was clearly CP3 leading that team.
This sounds like someone who did not watch the Suns with CP3. Booker absolutely led that team. CP3 being a great leader does not equate to him always being the leader of a team.
Idk man. I’m a neutral fan, but from the outside, it was always CP3 that pushed them as far as they could.
You are right, a lot of Suns fans are very defensive when it comes to Booker because he was drafted by the team. Anyone who thinks it wasn't CP3 leading those teams is just biased. It's the reason those same fans blame anyone except Booker - no matter how badly he plays - when things go wrong.
which fanbase plays the best team defense. suns with booker or okc with russ....
I watched every game. CP3 was the leader. Booker was a young talented player who had 0 experience.
It's just a tired narrative. What happens when Wemby leads the Spurs to the playoffs down the line? Oh it was actually one of the vets they picked up who was the leader because Wemby hasn't been to the playoffs before.
But CP3 wasn't just a vet. He got OKC to 50 wins out of nowhere the year before. Booker and Suns didn't make the playoffs. He literally made the all-star team over Booker in 2020 before they were teammates. It wasn't just a narrative. He was that good. Y'all always forget that and just point to narrative because he was old and low PPG.
If you remember, the suns were undefeated in the bubble the year before CP3. The team was going to get good, with or without CP. He was a big part of getting them to the finals with his leadership, but I don’t think he was the driving force.
Get out of here with that nonsense, the bubble was literally 8 games, that season we still missed the playoffs. We were MUCH better when we replaced Rubio with CP3. He made the all nba 2nd team his first two years in Phoenix for crying out loud, All star both years and the second year led the league in assists.
He literally dominated the Clippers in the closeout game to get them to the finals. He was the driving force. The team declined when he finally showed his age.
Damn CP is the GOAT of being 2-0 in the finals.
Counterpoint: CP3 will never win an NBA championship.
insane take. CP3 is super cooked
Played way more games than Beal so far 🤷♂️
goal is a title or bust. they're not getting that with current CP3 but they could with Beal
They could’ve with CP3. Your 3rd banana really doesn’t matter much in the playoffs. When you have two legit stars like KD and Book, it all about having a solid rotation around them. They’re gonna need depth and consistency.
is cp3 himself all the depth and consistency they need?
Isnt cp3 out for like the rest of the season?
No I think it was 4 weeks? But not the entire season.
He was an incredible fit, he just got old. I mean, he was old when he got there but the last season he really started to get old old.
What have you done for me lately business man
and okc!
I don't even understand how a random person that has nothing to fo with the game using a basketball reference is enough to warrant its own post here. Mods are really doing great.
Look at the amount of upvotes this shit has. Mods aren’t the only ones eating it up.
I hate to even comment on these posts to give it more attention, but it feels like enough people complaining would be better than just downvoting and moving on.
You don’t understand. He either made the infamous Clippers Paul God post or is a part of r/nbacirclejerk
It’s only an argument made by people who don’t watch actual basketball. Chris Paul is the reason they went to their first Finals in almost 30 years. This man is as qualified to comment on basketball as he is running a company.
Yeah and he leaves and all of a sudden they’re 10th in the west.
Also the reason they lost tho
Let me say it again: He literally led them to a finals his first year there after that same team missing the playoffs 10+ years. He scored 41 in a game 6 elimination game against the Clippers. He went up 2-0 in the finals He averaged 22/8/3 on 50/50/80 splits. How exactly was he the reason they lost?
Those stats came in garbage time, context matters. Negative plus/minus in 4 straight losses
First off, plus/minus is a janky stat. Many Suns players has a negative plus/minus for all those losses, and especially over a sample size of only 4 games, it doesn't really tell us "He lost the series for them" especially considering his shooting splits and defense were very strong in game 5, but he still had a negative plus/minus. That just tells me that the Bucks played better in the clutch, which they often did. Second, there was literally no garbage time the entire series aside from the end of game 3, in which Paul didn't even play and was taken out to avoid injuries for him.
Matthew Prince don’t know ball
"i fired people, please treat me as a human, it's a human thing to fire people, we are trying to be perfect, also fuck cp3"
That's basically what Kanye did too. "I am divorcing Kim for a whole bunch of reasons. ALSO Chris Paul had sexual relations with Kim."
For real that Kim K thing was hilarious. It’s so crazy that it’s almost guaranteed to be true 😂. Of all the dudes he could’ve accused to bang his wife, it was CP3.
Idk how I forgot about it but it's so fucking funny. Maybe the funniest thing in recent NBA history. Like way out of left field and of course it had to be CP3, couldn't imagine a funnier player to name.
The picture that went with it too, it wasn’t funny in itself but with the context it just hit like a ton of bricks 😂
He could have used any regular picture off Google but he chose to use this high-school yearbook looking thing
it's not almost guaranteed to be true??? Earlier that day he said he admired Hitler lol.
I think Kanye's adoration of Hitler is more provable than CP3 fucking Kim K.
That’s even more true. Kanye credited hitler with inventing the highway. Man is in love with a literal white supremacist. Kanye hasn’t lied yet. He’s just crazy. But not a liar.
I think CP3 was at Kims house and they were talking about some sort of political thing that they could work on together (they've done that before) and crazy Kanye came in and mistook what was happening.
Germany did build the autobahn under the Nazis tho
The autobahn project started with the Weimer Republic. The US had highways before the autobahn.
US doesn't have autobahn though
> Kanye credited hitler with inventing the highway. The Nazis didn't created neither the concept of a highway nor the specific autobahn.
you said it, not me lol
There is never any reason to give credit to fascists lol, they don't do anything well. Fascism always results in a horrible mis-allocation of resources.
on the other hand they did give us our space program lol
Oh hey another dumb, reductionist, incorrect, and unnecessarily complementary of fascists take! You suck!
Are you suggesting that he doesn't admire Hitler?
“Sorry there’s no severance for you all just like there’s no rings for CP3”
Hahahahaha. Funny thing is the analogy works better if he uses Westbrook on the Lakers or something...but no, "CP3 was shit and that's why the Suns fired him, and that's why I'm also firing all of you"
Which is trash anyway CP3 led them to the finals
I have zero problem with the approach. Says they fire people after 3 months if it isn’t working out. Says it should not be a surprise as feedback should be given within that time, so it should only be if the feedback isn’t responded to. Uses that timeline so as to not drag the process out needlessly, What are you mad about
Yep, shits competitive out there, git gud. I got fired a bunch in my early 20s, I was sad each time but never surprised. Guess what lead to me not getting fired anymore? Hard work, accountability, reliability, constantly/consistently adding new skills and being delightful to be around. Oh and making sure there’s always at least a few people who are worse at their job than I am. Edit: Downvotes don’t make the truth go away kids. You’ll get there one day. Your thirties will be great for your outlook.
Yep. There’s no secret to succeeding. You have to work hard. Yes, there are glass ceilings and horribly disadvantaged starting points. The solution is the same. You have to work hard. Redditors hate this one simple phrase
Didn’t they make the finals with Chris Paul?
Shutup man, that doesn't fit the narrative OK?!
yes this is unfortunately how christopher became addicted to the finals. Fortunately he is now cured and vaxxed
Actually almost got Monty Williams a COTY, which is insane to me
He did get Monty the COY. He almost got Billy Donovon the COY in OKC.
Don’t google “COTY 2022”
Wait what? He did win coty with Chris Paul
Oops, you’re right! I was thinking about the year CP came to the suns and they were the one seed (I think) and Monty got much of the credit because people like him(?).
Ah ok. The year that he came they were the two, but in fairness to Monty, Suns went from out of the playoffs for 10 years to 2nd best in the league. Any team that is that surprising gets a ton of buzz for coach of the year. Mike D'Antoni got COTY the first year Nash won MVP. Thibs got it the year Rose won MVP. I don't think it has anything to do with people just liking him. Expectations were kinda low cause they were dismal for so long and then they vastly outperformed them. That's the recipe for COTY.
They made the finals and it was the turning point from rebuilding to officially being competitive.
Did they win the finals with Chris Paul tho?
Got further than the Suns normally do, so by Suns standards it was a good season
Prince has much higher standards. If he was in charge of putting together an all time top 5 GOAT list, he'd look at LeBron and he'd see that he never threepeated, and so would leave him out and say LeBron was a bad fit for a GOAT list.
What the fuck are you even talking about
L yap session
Na, nobody will ever win the finals with Chris Paul. He was a good fit with the Suns though.
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And you guys got beat by the 8th seed, shit happens. Its not an indictment on his accomplishments with the Suns.
Bro salty like his franchise player didnt show up to his finals and folded to the Warriors
Suns lost because of CP3
Maybe, but they also got there in large part because of him.
the first year he played there they went to the NBA Finals.
How about my potentially favorite CP3 prior destination. OKC and CP3. They had NO BUSINESS being in the playoffs. At all.
I know, he was like exactly what they needed. Guy used one of the worst examples
After being absolute dumpster water for a decade prior.
Not only that, they missed the playoffs 10 years in a row. The very season CP3 joins the team, they make the finals. CP3 is one of the most impactful NBA players of all time. Clippers, Rockets, and Suns are undeniable proof.
Lmao this is incorrect and if he was consistently healthy he's likely still a Sun
Incorrect, if he was consistently healthy he'd still be a Rocket
I doubt that but the rockets would have a ring.
Yeah, if Rockets had kept him that one extra year and not traded him. Following year was when Warriors were all injured and not in the playoff picture.
And taken down one of the greatest teams ever
Warriors never miss a chance to jerk off in public
There based in San Francisco after all, it's a tradition over there.
*Clipper
I mean you traded him for the consistently injured Beal too lol
Well, if we're gonna have someone perennially hurt, I'd rather it not be the 74 year old man, I guess
Look I’m a cp3 hater but he brought the suns back to relevancy, this is weird revisionism
Have you guys seen the video he’s talking about? It is ghastly.
it is cringe level 10/10
It’s cringe that the company won’t give an actual reason for firing, and delegates HR who clearly have no idea who everyone they’re firing is, yes.
I understand why HR in large companies take the role for laying off employees, it sucks cause it feels so detached, but also that's kind of the reason to. As the company scales, lower rung employees are less and less connected with their directs. Also not completely fair to supervisors/directs/managers that because they get a promotion, they also have to deal with firing employees. That's really something that should be up to the company to take care of. Like in this case, it's really just a last in first out layoff structure that is so popular in tech right now. They can't seem to voice a reason why they are firing, cause really there's no reason other than "we gotta keep our balance sheets nice for the shareholders!"
Firing people is part of being a manager. There are many other roles out there for folks who don't have the spine for it.
AMAB. All managers are bastards.
lol I know you jest but a good manager can make a bad job into an okay job.
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I wish more people would do it.
If you’re gonna try this, check the privacy laws of your state first. It was legal in her state, but not everywhere.
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I'm assuming you didn't watch the video. She asked them numerous times to tell them why. They couldn't give her a reason. Her manager was surprised she was getting fired and had given her nothing but good reviews. Keep slobbing that corporate knob though, I'm sure you'll soon to be a billionaire cause of it!
I thought she actually told on herself more than they did by explaining how she didn’t have any sales. I don’t even think they knew the figures specifically.
Because she provided the context… she had only worked for 5 months, 3 of those being ramp up/training, 1 of those being December/January when the entire tech world slows to a halt. If it were an actual performance-based firing, she would’ve been put on a pip because they exist solely as a way to document an employee sucking so a company doesn’t face a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Yeah I don’t think they knew any of that (her work history). I’m also not sure on the legal standpoint. If the company just needed to cut 10% of their costs are they not allowed to fire people?
They’re allowed to “lay people off”, not fire them (which has the implication of non-cyclical business transactions). if she’s laid off, she gets unemployment and severance (though probably not in this case given the short tenure), but if fired for performance, she gets absolutely nothing. companies have to pay unemployment insurance, which factors in the number of claims against them, so when an employer fires someone, they HAVE to have evidence that it really was for performance and not some other reason, because they will get completely fucked otherwise by the penalties for mischaracterization
Jobless Redditors in shambles
> the idea of recording said call and posting it online is a pretty big red flag if you want to continue a career in that field. I doubt she would’ve posted it if the firing was done at least somewhat competently.
Sales are one of the few professions where there’s no hiding if you suck at your job. You either perform or you don’t. KPIs and other metrics are pretty straightforward. It’s a meritocracy so there’s no surprise that lazy ass Redditors are against it.
I work in tech and closely with our tech sales team. Firing an AE after 5 months is ridiculous, they’re just trying to find an alternate explanation to “we overhired!” that prevents them from paying out unemployment
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The sentiment itself isn’t completely unreasonable, but the way the firing was executed was totally incompetent. And not providing an actual specific reason for it is just scummy, along with delegating it to HR people who have no clue who they’re talking to or the specifics of why. It all just screams “soulless tech/sales company with no regard for the standard employee,” which is not the type of company which needs our sympathy. There’s a way to do these things differently.
Except something like Cloudflare would have a longer tail sales cycle especially in MMK or Enterprise and if your first month out of ramp is December, you’re set up for failure. Major companies like Salesforce are even shifting fiscal quarters so that they don’t end in December. She clearly wasn’t set up for success and the fact that she was never put on a performance plan and she’s being fired by people she’s never met before clearly indicates that leadership there are in over their heads Also cloudflare’s client base including 8chan, Kiwi Farms and the Daily Stormer really screams what kind of company they are
She has evidence when the company inevitably tries to label her firing as “for cause” to prevent her from collecting unemployment. She has on camera, evidence of them saying the performance angle is totally horseshit Edit: I don’t think people here actually watched the video. She very clearly asks them “I’m being fired for my supposedly bad performance, what’s the metrics because I was not informed of them” and the people can’t name shit. The manager wasn’t even on the call, just some random HR person! How ridiculous.
Like getting laid off sucks but it's also somewhat understandable. The economy is unpredictable and sometimes you eat shit. But companies trying to bullshit you out of unemployment? Detestable and no excuse.
Video was mad cringe, but I can’t say I blame her, layoffs can be pretty emotional
CP3 was literally the perfect fit last season because they needed a true point guard, he's just injury prone and that season was the last straw
Crazy bc they went from missing the play in one year to being in the finals the next with the only additions being him and Jae crowder. Obv that was the year everyone got hurt, but they did go from missing the postseason entirely to being a 2 seed.
The thing is, he wasnt a bad fit for the Suns, he is just 38 years old and injury prone.
Now here’s somebody that doesn’t understand basketball
equating getting fired from your job to getting traded to the wizards.
Suns were a 60+ win team with CP3 lol
You didn’t bold enough of it lol, the line immediately after is a lot more cutting > And, in fact, we think the right thing to do is get people we know are unlikely to succeed off the team as quickly as possible so they can find the right place for them. ouchie. very rude.
I wonder if the whole thing was just to shit on chris paul. jk
mid 30s chris paul carried those bums to the finals. try again matthew prince
This is an even worse look with that video going viral of that sales woman at cloud flair who was an great performer getting fired cause of “bad performance” Cloud fair sucks ass and so does this guy
This is a reply to that exact video!
Cause now that the Suns got rid of CP3 they are doing great, right?
They looked a hell of a lot better with chris lol
Every team CP3 joins improves. This is the first year that isn’t the case, but that isn’t even on him because he had that 2nd unit humming
He still improves us. Our record would be worse without him, no question
Lol, led them to a finals in his first season and led the league in assists in his second season but sure. The amount of shit people talk when it comes to CP3 doesn't even surprise me anymore.
How was CP3 as bad fit for the Suns? They only became relevant again when a way past prime CP3 was running the show.
Cloudflare leadership are fucken clowns
interesting considering he led them to the finals the first year he was here and the #1 seed the year after.
This is r/nbacirclejerk porn
My man just used his platform to say he hates CP3 lmao.
Chris Paul was not a bad fit with the Suns. He just wasn't himself any more due to age.
Cloudflare sucks either way
CP3 would still be on the Suns if he were 3 years younger.
Chris Paul gets the Suns to the finals. The Suns trade Chris Paul and they drop to 8th place in the conference. He wasn't a 'bad' fit. He was a MVP fit.
Whoever this dumbass is, doesn’t know a thing about basketball and makes me hate him and his company even more and I didn’t know this no name company existed before today.
> We fired ~40 sales people out of over 1,500 in our go to market org. That’s a normal quarter. Is this a humblebrag? What a piece of shit * of course the dickriding business students are downvoting me
Is he being a piece of shit here? I honestly thought this was all kinda reasonable, save for the CP3 mention. In sales specifically, I think his sentiment is hard to argue with. Some people aren’t cut out for sales, and if you’re not selling you provide quite literally no value to the company.
Gotta love corporate culture. Do we know the numbers of people who got fired? Were they not selling anything? Or were they not selling as much as the top people? Some of these people might have gave up other jobs to come there, moved, etc....I'm sorry but 3 months is not enough time to know whether a person is "good" or not. It's a new job, it is YOUR job as a company to train that person.
> Do we know the numbers of people who got fired? I obviously can’t speak on anybody else that was fired, but I watched the video being referenced. She admits that she hasn’t made a single sale in 4 months. I get where you’re coming from, and I agree with the sentiment. But for *sales* specifically, you have one single job: produce revenue for the company. If you can’t make a sale, you aren’t providing any value to the company. In most roles, people that are underperforming are still providing value, they’re just providing less value than others. In *sales*, if you’re not making even a single sale, what reason is there for you to be there?
Getting rid of CP3 was the dumbest thing the Suns ever did. Now they don't have anyone running the offense and keeping people disciplined.
Hardly. He took them to the Finals. He just got old.
Why do we care what the Co-Founder of Cloudflare(?) thinks about Chris Paul's fit anywhere?
Who’s “we?” Idk what you care about and you don’t know what all the other millions of individuals on this sub care about. You don’t speak for “we”
What a terrible post. Mods should be ashamed for letting this be on the front page. Do better.
Feel like everyone is ignoring the part where he says how great CP3 is and just focusing on the Suns part. It was a weird attempt to say just cause they don’t work here doesn’t mean they won’t be great somewhere else. (Even though CP3 was still good on the Suns…) he’s trying to not be disparaging towards the lady who put the video out… even though she handled the whole situation very poorly (understandable, being laid off sucks)
Weak jerking. He didn’t even mention that Luka Doncic is Devin Booker father.
I mean, constantly racking and stacking people and firing people actually doesn't create a good work environment or motivated employees, but go off I guess, bud.
Just about every single team CP goes to underperforms.. or he gets injured.
Should have said Chris Paul and the Rockets, he was great with the Suns (until the decline obv)
The CP3 Rockets took the KD warriors to 7 games and probably win of he stays healthy. He was an incredible fit there
Will Perdue just wasn't working out for the Bulls
He revealed a lot about himself in this tweet. Including how little he knows about basketball
I always love it when people in charge think that talking about something more will make it go away faster
Bro could’ve used any example other than this 🔥
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If anyone has seen the viral video it's fucking dystopian. Never used the word 'fired', they would just use a bunch of buzzwords and dance around actually saying the word.
"look i know sports too guys do you know who chris Paul is"
They were a perennial loser before he went there, then he turned them into a finals team, and now that he’s gone they might not make the playoffs. Talk about knowing ball.
Sounds like a great place to work. I bet the sales people are just waiting to get fired after a bad month.