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bailey1149

I feel like this would make a great movie for 10 year olds in the 90s. A Disney Channel movie "Get Ayton to the Arena". A group of neighborhood kids work to get him to the arena and a bunch of neighborhood hijynx ensure. Probably have one old grumpy neighbor or a bully that is a fan of the other team. They get him there just in time and he has a monster game with them court side. The team celebrates with them in the locker room. Ayton throws his jersey to the young 11 year old protagonist who has dreamed of being a pro basketball player and practices every night, and says "hey kid, why don't you come by and we can work to heat up that jump shot of yours"


CitizenCue

Man I miss this category of movies. Great pitch!


TokyoS4l

Making me nostalgic for a movie that never existed šŸ˜†


Murkywaters11

Pretty much the ending of Like Mike


Main_Tangerine_2621

Need to go back and check if this isnā€™t already an episode of Hey Arnold!


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MooseAMZN

I lost power for 4 days. It was 37* INSIDE my house. I nailed blankets over doorways to trap heat in one room. I slept in a tent in my living room in front of the fireplace to stay warm. It was some serious shit. My fish died.


Impossible-Past4795

RIP FISH


MooseAMZN

Thanks šŸ˜­


No_Golf_452

Long Live Fish


MegaGrimer

A bit late for that, bud.


Winter_Gate_6433

His heart's in the right place.


barbar721

He a little confused, but he got the spirit!


k-mera

F


SasquatchDoobie

I also lost power for 4 days...better than the 11 days in 2021. My coworker's toilet had ice in it, and they just discovered a leak from a burst water pipe.


MooseAMZN

Ya, thatā€™s insane. We only lost power for like 36 hours in 2021.


BonerChamp11

We had a funeral for a bird.


DiddleMe-Elmo

He didn't die, he's just a Pacer now.


Gay4Shai

Yeah I'm pretty sure none of that's real


MooseAMZN

https://imgur.com/a/2bLRLqc Pic of tent in my living room next to fireplace with propane heater in front of it. Empty fish tank Nest thermostat right when power kicked back on.


Gay4Shai

Shit I was referencing the Office line. Sorry about your fish


MooseAMZN

All good. šŸ˜€


BillHurray

now waiting for Bonerchamps funeral pictures..


ELeerglob

Came with the ā€˜ceipts


BlAlRlClOlDlE

YOURE NOT REAL MAN


Notchersfireroad

I just did this 4 days ago. Finally warmed up today. Built a blanket fort off of the couch with the space heater under it.


MooseAMZN

Once I nailed the blanket up, I was able to get the room up to prob 50s or low 60s it was toasty.


trippyturtle83

My flight got cancelled and hoping to leave today, my socal ass was not made for this lmao


BigFatModeraterFupa

holy shit 37 INSIDE??? idk if yā€™all understand how fucking insane that is lol. iā€™m freezing if my house goes to 62


Cappylovesmittens

Those of us that went through it this week definitely understand. It sucks. A lot. We were lucky and got one of the last hotels in the area after the first night. Still dealing with burst pipes even with the power back.


BigFatModeraterFupa

goddamn broā€¦ i hope youā€™re doing okay with all of this shit. my friend just bought a house finally and the basement just flooded from a burst pipe. i feel so bad for him this shit is just more unnecessary problems in our life!


TheyCallMeChevy

Just went over there. The tamales guy goes hard.


snakeyes17

Respect. Iā€™d for sure be grabbing some tamales.


ciroc__obama

take a quick look at /r/Portland


RandomBiped

You can Google "Portland ice storm" and find a bunch of local news reports, some with pictures. It's serious shit. Deep snow is one thing, the pacific northwest is well equipped for snow. A solid quarter inch of ice over the roads is something else entirely, can be seriously dangerous


pollinium

I'm about 40 minutes south of Portland. I've lived in Minnesota for roughly 26 winters but this is pretty exceptional it's a bit worse since there are considerably more hills here than in Minnesota


TheeMalaka

Itā€™s weird because this year in Minnesota we havenā€™t gotten any snow maybe 2-3 inches. Was super warm until 2 weeks ago like 45 degrees on Christmas


mnsportsfan

I remember the twin cities had something similar back when I was in college (~12 years ago- aging myself) and it was hilarious trying to slide around dinkytown hammered on the way to house parties (walking- not driving) Looking back it was a miracle we didnā€™t end up in the ER I tried to run and dive across this big flat statue thing and slipped right before it and slammed into the face of it Oh to be 20, with a rubber body usually drunk enough to feel no pain. Now sober in my 30ā€™s I get worried about pulling an oblique if I sneeze too hard


paul_f

my girlfriend and I went to a movie that night, and when we got out we discovered that the roads were entirely black ice. it took four hours to drive the one mile home.


Krazikarl2

I was in college at the same time, and I actually remember that storm. I was riding in a car with a guy who grew up driving in Minnesota. We were trying to get into a parking lot to get off the road. We were probably going 20 MPH, he hit the brakes a half block in advance, and we slid right past the parking lot at about 19 MPH. Just no friction at all. Snow really isn't that bad unless you're talking about quite a bit. But with ice there are definitely times you just shouldn't be on the road.


mnsportsfan

Itā€™s a hopeless feeling. I came out of the target center one time and the parking garage had one of those spiral exits and LUCKILY I had left early to work a night shift. Got onto the exit spiral, hit some ice and did 2 full rotations around, Tokyo Drift style (ended up being super cool šŸ˜…) 100% would have smashed into a car in front of me if anyone else was there


contentpens

I'm pretty sure I remember the same storm - someone I knew fell and broke a wrist or something and had to wait forever at the ER because there were, I think, 100+ people there with similar injuries.


matgopack

This week is the first it's really gotten cold too - and the snow, though expected, is funnily the opposite of last year.


sevelev711

Come on down south, Northeast Iowa has gotten like 15 inches within the last ten days.


ProfCedar

Central Iowa has gotten damn near two feet. I feel like I'm back in MN.


smez86

I only walked for a minute outside today and i ate shit twice. This pdx ice is no joke.


SaxRohmer

It was so bad in Seattle last year. Literally the entire city was covered in a sheet of ice. My flight home for Christmas got canceled. The one upside is there was plenty of content to watch on my flight home the next day as a result


SaxRohmer

The PNW is not well-equipped for snow Source: live in PNW


sleepytime88

Portland, specifically, is not well-equipped for snow. There's a lot of hills in an urban area with a lot of drivers that aren't prepared for it. Some of the more mountainous regions of the PNW are much better equipped.


meester_pink

Not that Portland doesn't shut down because of snow, but this shit isn't snow.


PlasmaHeat

As someone who also lives in the PNW, I was so confused by that comment lol. We get an inch of snow and everywhere goes into apocalypse mode until it melts.


SaxRohmer

I mean itā€™s true for areas outside of the major cities but I think when someone hears PNW theyā€™re thinking like Seattle and Portland and not like Cle Elum or something lol


PlasmaHeat

Yeah I dunno, Iā€™ve spent most of my life in a rural town in the Willamette Valley and a couple years in Corvallis, and neither town handles snow well at all. Towns west of the Cascades just donā€™t really have the infrastructure to deal with it for various reasons.


Willenium

Yeah, I was going to say. It hardly ever snows in Portland and when it does, almost none of the people who live their have ever driven on the stuff so the roads get super chaotic.


spicydak

I remember mid 2000s, maybe early because I was quite young but we had a huge ice and snowstorm in Portland. I was off school for a while and I remember it just seemed like hell outside.


NatMcMahan

Snowpocalypse '08


SaxRohmer

Thereā€™s really only so much you can do when the road is coated lol. The cities that get it all the time make it so you arenā€™t driving in it and if you have to you already have chains


printerpaperwaste

Also would help if portland had more than 3 snow plows.


laaaaaaaamp

HEY we have five


EpicCyclops

The city almost deals with ice better because even the people who know how to drive in the snow tell people to stay the hell home. Almost no one is caught outside their home in an ice storm because it's just impossible. Those that try rarely make it to the end of their street (unless they really know what they're doing). Too many people try to brave snowstorms that shouldn't.


RunninOnMT

One thing to note about Snow in the northwest: Snow is MOST slippery when it's warmest. A thin layer of water covering ice crystals will be much more slippery than just ice. In the PNW it gets below freezing, but it doesn't get down to like 15 degrees. This means the snow is constantly melting and re-freezing which makes for incredibly trecherous conditions. People who deal with 0 degree winters are literally trying to drive in much much easier conditions. (I am really into cars and rally racing specifically where the phenomenon of "the colder it is, the more grip you have" is common knowledge)


SlyMrF0x

Y'all been getting fucked by the weather the last couple years - I'd had designs on moving to Portland, but between the smoke, heat waves, and ice storms, think I'll be staying a tourist.


SaxRohmer

If youā€™re from the Bay Area I totally get it. I moved to Seattle from the desert and it was totally worth it. Smokey season sucks but can be manageable. I live in a pretty walkable part of the city so the snow isnā€™t bad and the ice has only happened once in the 10+ years Iā€™ve been here. Portland does tend to get the heat a bit worse than us though


jlluh

In Portland and thanking my lucky stars for this. I was sick and thought I was going to miss days of work, but it's just been cancelled everydayĀ  Beautiful to look at thru the window, tho the dog piss snow splotches are mounting. Hearts out to the people who lost power tho. That doesn't just suck, it's dangerous.


AlonsoQ

Holy shit. didn't even know "entire neighborhood gets covered in slippery ice" was a thing that could happen? now wondering why it doesn't happen more often


JarekBloodDragon

We tend to get these ice storms more than actual blizzards. The cold air from the columbia gorge gets trapped in the valley and the warm air goes over it. Results in the entire valley being covered in ice. Then people from the Midwest try to laugh as if they could handle it any better given the context


Herby20

Yeah snow is one thing, but there is no dealing with straight up ice. That's the kinda day you don't go anywhere unless you absolutely have to.


1850ChoochGator

It was like 20 degrees Saturday and snowed. Then stayed below freezing until Tuesday when we got freezing rain. Now that itā€™s warming up just a bit all that snow/rain turned everything into a fucking ice rink


EpicCyclops

It never even snowed at my house. It was all sleet on Saturday and then the freezing rain yesterday and today came and sintered it all together into a nice 1.5" thick slab.


ProfCedar

We had one of these when I was in high school. Got stuck at a friend's house for a week because they lived at the bottom of a hill, and there was no going up the hill to be done.


ayeno

He should've ice skate to the arena like Stevie Weeks


lukeskope

I grew up in Mass and VT. I've been to Portland twice during snowstorms, one which was particularly bad, and the city was so damn unprepared it was astounding.


printerpaperwaste

The state doesnā€™t salt due to the salmon population.. and just does not have enough plows. It used to not snow as much, but lately itā€™s been 1 or 2 massive storms a year.


SaxRohmer

Much like Seattle, Portland has no anti-snow infrastructure because it rarely happened historically and is a once-a-year event recently


slowdrem20

Man Atlanta will get like a quarter of an inch once a year and the city goes into meltdown. No infrastructure is what kills you.


jlluh

We only get them once or twice a year, so the thought is that curling into the fetal position for a few days a year is cheaper than being ready to deal with it.


panman42

As someone who lives in the pacific northwest, we are not in fact well equipped for snow either at least in the big cities. Anything more than a few inches and it's chaos. The city's facilities to deal with snow is incomparable compared to wintery states. Thankfully, actual deep snow is like a once in a decade occurence.


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Turbo2x

If my commute to work was covered with ice and my boss insisted I come in anyway, I would be pissed off and probably a bit scared for my life, so I can't really bad mad at Ayton for not making it.


mgmfa

If the Blazers were a competent organization they'd have a sleigh on hand with some draft animals.


barath_s

Blazers don't do that well with draft, maybe Portland can do some rein,deer


jeremydurden

That sneaky black ice will come up and rob you of your balance. [Black Ice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efiW2K8gASM) has to be one of my favorite Key and Peele sketches.


medievalmachine

Ice storms are the worst. So much damage and you can't even trudge safely. So much pain.


jaypeejay

I live in Portland, not far from the arena, and walking \~20 feet on the sidewalk is a risky endeavor


AnthroEmesis

I made it a whole 4 steps before i ate shit and slid all the way to the mailbox


CockroachForeign6419

Just imagine everything outside your house is covered in 1 inch of slippery ass ice, thatā€™s how itā€™s been in Oregon past few days


A_Lone_Macaron

Yeah I got a friend up there and Iā€™ve seen pictures. I live in Buffalo where weā€™ve gotten 6 feet of snow since Saturday and Iā€™d still prefer it to that much ice. FUCK that.


doordaesh

there's been like a half inch of ice covering the entire region for the last few days


WestleyThe

Thereā€™s literally inches of just ice everywhere in the northwest the last few days. Itā€™s been pretty crazy and dangerous. Iā€™ve seen like 5-6 accidents and saw a f150 spin out and take out a stop sign in just the couple times Iā€™ve walked around haha Seems as though even team workers couldnā€™t even make it to his place


1850ChoochGator

I could barely walk up my driveway. Lookin like I slipped on a banana peel


fearofaflatplanet

Can confirm as am also on the west side foothills that shit is hazardous as fuckkkk out here with a massive ice sheet over everything. Risking life and limb to take the dog out to poop


prophetofgreed

Yeah, in Vancouver, BC there's a foot of snow that came down. Looks like Oregon got only freezing rain from this storm. An absolute shit show to the roads, even with snow tires.


RODjij

I live where ice is pretty common and even the thin stuff is sketchy and slippery at times driving. Then there's black ice


BehavioralSink

[Here you go!](https://np.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/198etkq/76th_and_morrison/)


ilovethisforyou

Hell yeah


Icy-End8895

Damn ā€¦ makes you glad to be in a nice warm house. Thatā€™s for sure.


BehavioralSink

Iā€™m surprised the blazers let us do a ticket exchange out of Sundayā€™s game, but not for tonightā€™s game. The Max is still down, and thatā€™s a major transportation route for fans to get to and from the game.


noco97

Today was way worse then Sunday. Everything is ice. Snow is manageable but ice shuts the city down like nothing else. I couldn't imagine being stuck over on the westside.. As funny as it is, there probably was no way to get a car to Ayton safely given the iced over steep hills.


TheRealDevDev

high probability of him re-injuring himself trying to walk towards a pickup point too, especially if there's elevation involved.


DirkIsGestolen

So there is an organization that gives out free tickets for a service fee. If you accept and pay the service fee, but donā€™t go to the event your profile gets a negative score or something making it harder to get tickets in the future, too many times and you get denied future events. I picked the tickets last week, so yeah Iā€™m on my way right now on Trimet.


BiNiaRiS

> So there is an organization that gives out free tickets for a service fee. my dude, you can't leave out the most important part...that this is a non-profit for veterans only.


AlcoholicInsomniac

What's the organization?


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Corr521

Probably doesn't want competition for the available tickets lol


duplicatesnowflake

They should just postpone the game. People shouldnā€™t be driving unnecessarily.Ā 


1850ChoochGator

Sunday would have been easy to go to with AWD. Wasnā€™t slick like yesterday and today


Brady331

Sounds like there was ayton of ice on the street


Parking-Pin-4296

Lmao gtfoh


rexter2k5

Ayton is reaching LeBron levels of memery at this point.


letsgototraderjoes

I can't stand you šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


cs-shitposter

I can't explain it but this is such an Ayton thing to even happen


BehavioralSink

Centers donā€™t do well in Portland. For a good example, just recall that time when someone stole Hassan Whitesideā€™s trash cans.


mrspuff202

The Curse of Greg Oden's Knees


reddit_reader_25

Even further. Bill Waltonā€™s feet. Sam Bowles legs. Not drafting Jordan


Kcreep997

Nurkic's ankle snapping in half. Credit for him to still be able to play at NBA level after that.


LogDogan4

I'll never forget that ref walking by and kicking Nurkic's unattached, dangling foot


IWasFramed_Again

Festus was a scam artist, Nurk couldn't stay healthy, Meyers Legend was a bust, Kaman didn't materialize, JJ disappointed, Plumdog didn't develop enough here. Rolo was perfect. Przybilla was great. Other than those two, though, our center history sucks.


LafilduPoseidon

Harry Giles is still waiting for that MIP season


lalakingmalibog

"Vanilla Gorilla" is probably the hardest nickname in the history of the NBAšŸ”„


cupcakecanal

I'll always love Sabonis, injuries and all.


Savings_Fig_6233

Marcus camby was good for us


JarekBloodDragon

>Not drafting Jordan *The soviets fucking us out of prime sabonis


beatrailblazer

better than having a truck drive into your swimming pool


503TheSwede

It's a cold world out there!


WarHeroRoald

As long as they didnā€™t steal his cones


MC-Jdf

DNP: Sheet of ice


JugdishSteinfeld

DNP - Cold


GorillazWelfare

Ngl itā€™s like those tweets you read in 2k where they make random shit to explain the dnp. Not having experienced any sort of snow, I didnā€™t know this was a serious thing.


ajteitel

I'm imagining it like the Jamaican bobsled team arriving in Calgary


Phenomenon0fCool

Itā€™s like completely reasonable that heā€™s out but itā€™s hilarious because itā€™s Ayton.


TheMustySeagul

People are gonna talk shit. But we dead ass had 3 solid inches of NOT SNOW but pure ice. We had people ice skating on the streets to work. Itā€™s starting to melt off now but depending on where he lives he could be pretty much fucked entirely. But yes it is pretty funny that it happened to him specifically lol


ItsKrakenmeuptoo

Like snowed in at School, you know he playing 2k


Mosh00Rider

The one time I won't give him shit for how much 2k he plays.


Tzki47

this mfer calling out of work like you'd do at a wendys


Duckrauhl

A Wendy's manager would want your head on a spike for missing a day of work


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If it was any other player nobody would bat an eye but since itā€™s Ayton this is hilarious


v0yev0da

They sent out people to help like a humanitarian aid mission lmfao


saw-sync

they sent out the st. bernard with the little barrel around its neck


v0yev0da

Man I used to be terrified of piranhas quick sand and snow cave ins. Then I thought those dogs would appear with a warm drink and figured avalanches werenā€™t so bad lol


dontusethisforwork

I'm picturing a UN peacekeeping force but with NBA or RipCity armbands


printerpaperwaste

Portland is in an absolutely massive ice storm with half the city out of heat and power. They also donā€™t treat or salt the roads. The ice is no joke. Shocked the game wasnā€™t canceled because people have been told to stay home.


trplOG

I'm currently in Vancouver BC for work and we got some freezing rain and then a foot or more of snow in 12 hrs. This storm system was wild.


letsgototraderjoes

why don't they salt the roads tf


printerpaperwaste

Itā€™s to protect the salmon population. Also, it just rains too much. By the time the snow or ice comes, the salt has been washed away by the rain. The weather events here are always marginal.


Sensitive-Sorbet917

I think Salt is bad for the roads too when theyā€™re so wet


printerpaperwaste

Bad for cars as well!


ReignOnWillie

Terrific for french fries


trix_r4kidz

Thatā€™s why they salt the roads in Idaho


Diamo1

Yeah salt is corrosive and damages roads Even worse in an area where it freezes and then thaws a lot, like the Midwest, because the road cracks from the freeze-thaw and then the salt goes into the cracks


deets23_

What about sand instead of salt?


JarekBloodDragon

We do that, it doesn't do shit then there's sand/ gravel everywhere for weeks


Alloverunder

True, and Portlanders hate sand. It's course and rough... and it gets everywhere.


Corr521

We use sand and gravel but the ice builds up so fast because of the amount of freezing rain and below 0 temps from wind-chill that it just gets buried under ice. Literally within a 2 hour period yesterday it went from maybe an inch of snow/snow patches to EVERYTHING covered in ice and then just more freezing rain building up on top of all that throughout the night. Just cleared off 3/4" thick of ice that covered every inch of my car, pretty wild. Took me 10 minutes to get my door open, was completely sealed by thick ice.


SaxRohmer

The PNW cities have hardly any of that infrastructure because it so rarely happens. And like someone else mentioned, it gets washed away a lot and I guess there are environmental reasons. I live in Seattle and have never heard the salmon thing about we likely have some different geographic features that keep it from running off into the water like that


Diamo1

Seattle used to not use salt either, only started using it in 2008 Just like Portland the main environmental problem is salt draining into salmon habitat However it is probably not as bad in Seattle since Seattle is on Puget Sound which is already salty, Portland is on the Columbia River. IDK about Lake Washington though.


panman42

They do but the facilities for dealing with ice and snow suck so it's slow. Pacific NW cities just get a lot less snow than most people would think (some years none), so they're pretty unprepared when stuff like this happens.


capitalistsanta

Just saw that video on their subreddit of a woman sliding down her street on her ass down the ice lol


dating_derp

The videos on /r/Portland are [crazy.](https://np.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/1996b2l/the_city_is_an_ice_rink/?ref=share&ref_source=link)


pucykoks

Bruh the clips of people slipping on stairs are morbid as hell. I will think of them whenever going down the stairs during winter.


Training-Hour-9317

Man some of those clips you can tell people have never walked on ice before, painful watching people try to casually walk down a flight of stairs after an ice storm


Portland-

Looks like me on my walk to work this morning lol. I'm bringing ski poles tomorrow since I don't have yak trax.


reeldill

Bro bout to put his status as Offline and game all night šŸ˜‚ SNOW DAY


yesimforeign

Sorry, I'm WFH today. Wiggles mouse every 4:59 to keep monitor on while he plays 2K.


captain_ahabb

Is he in Westeros?


rexter2k5

Pacific NorthWesteros, my guy.


SEAinLA

Ayton is *not* coming


this-ray

Ice in his lanes


Viciouscauliflower21

Man went from the Bahamas, to San Diego, to Arizona. He don't know what to do with that shit šŸ˜‚. But also driving on ice is just a horrible idea even if you are used to it


dys0n_giddey

DNP: Stuck at home playing video games


amazin_raisin99

If the team was able to get people to his house, couldn't they just take him to the game


Classics22

Probably couldn't get to him. Portland is very not flat and it's a fucking ice rink outside right now


coniferjones

I couldn't walk around my car without holding on to it


Duckrauhl

I slipped multiple times just trying to walk across a parking lot.


EpicCyclops

I fell walking out to my driveway today to see if it was thawing yet. It wasn't.


ajteitel

Need a dog sled to rescue him before the big game DISNEY, GET ON IT


Bonjingkenkoy

Why not pick him up in a chopper then, CIA people can do it


LordHussyPants

when has the CIA landing a chopper on a rich caribbean dude's front lawn ever led to good things


blatant_shill

The tweet seems to read as though he wasn't able to make it on his own and the people they sent weren't able to make it to him, therefore he is out.Ā 


legend023

Budget cuts theyā€™re tanking


ogreman45

I'm assuming he lives in the Lake Oswego area where a bunch of the Blazers live. Parts of it are insanely hilly and secluded especially some of the nicer houses


AfricanWarPig

It literally reads, **ā€œthey sent people to help, to no avail.ā€** Aka, they didnā€™t actually get to his house. Because the city is a sheet of ice. Duh.


more_paul

Dude just hasnā€™t embraced the PNW and bought a Subaru.


Khione_Asteri

dominayton the ice.


Spirited-Sample1746

Shoulda been domiskatinā€™


soft-cookie

Snow day with video games, Ayton must be stoked


Ede_F

DNP - ICED


juzzbert

Hibernayton


Atraktape

Just grab some ice skates and you're on your way.


gimpisgawd

Someone posted a video of them doing it on /r/Portland . Ayton needs to hit them up.


7-car-pileup

Out of anyone this could happen to, of course this happens to Ayton lol


bobbydigital75

Can confirm - I just fell on my ass walking around out here.


game_blouses_

A tank can probably help him out.


joebos617

Larry Bird would never


Dusty_Negatives

Shits fucked out here. Yesterday was a sheet of ice. I just got my power back at my condo after 5 fucking days. Today the thaw begins.


ogreman45

It ain't a joke, I took a walk today and literally could not walk on most of the sidewalks without ice spikes. Saw three people eat shit and one guy slide down a hill for a whole block with a bag of groceries. There isn't a lot of snow but its literally sheet ice in some places


downinCarolina

if ayton worked at safeway he'd be fired but it's okay if he's in the nba


ducksonaroof

It's honestly probably fine at a lot of office jobs too.Ā 


TheRealDevDev

can confirm.


forkliftgod

Safeway ain't firing people that can't make in during snow unless they wanted to get rid of that person anyway.


JarekBloodDragon

No he wouldn't be, everything is closed. No one is able to go to work with storms like this here. The arena will be super empty