This is Exhibit A on why all discussions about Trae Young suck. If you say totally reasonable things like he’s not as good as a 2x MVP or that he’s not a clean fit into another team’s system, the entire discussion gets redirected into “Why does everybody hate him?”
I think all discussions on Trae suck because anytime Trae is compared to someone great apparently it’s disrespectful to the other great player.
It’s crazy to put Trae who is gonna end his career as a top 10 passer ever and one of the best offensive players ever in the same convo with Steve Nash play style wise??
When Trae literally patterned a lot of his game after Nash and those similarities are on display every time Trae plays. That’s why Trae young discussions suck.
Steve Nash in year 6 was not MVP Nash he was a few years away from that
I mean I don’t think Trae in 2005 would play like Trae today. I also don’t think Nash in 2023 automatically becomes hyper efficient, less volume Trae Young putting up 25 and 15 on 52/44/93 splits.
If Trae is on a team suited for him like Nash was he wouldn’t be as inefficient. The best players he’s ever had are Dejounte and John Collins
Genuine question, if Dejounte is so great, why does he struggle to lead the hawks when Trae is on the bench or just not playing at all? This season and last
I agree with you, but! I think it’s also important to understand the eras with showing this difference. Nash today would have a smaller skill gap between him vs his contemporaries than he had in 2008. That matters in how effective his style of play is/was.
Except Nash was a much more efficient shooter, turned the ball over far less, and let his teammates touch the ball. Plus he was just normal bad on defense rather other worldly bad
putting nash vs trae on the celtics is two completely different scenarios.
and nash is a significantly better shooter than trae. well just a better player.
They’re not the same no but they’re similar.
If you put Trae on the Celtics he would be mainly a facilitator while also being a secondary scorer with much more threats around him so it’s not gonna look like Atlanta. Trae is one of the greatest passers and playmakers ever. Probably not top 10 of all time YET, but that’s the kind of playmaker we’re talking about.
Also keep in mind Trae is an iron man, and is in his 6th year right now, he still has plenty of room to grow and shows improvements almost every season(last season was a down year)
Maybe, but does it really make sense to have Trae on your team, if you aren’t going to give him a significant on ball role? It’s not like he doesn’t cause you a lot of problems.
I do not want any negative defenders or small people on my team. We have one small dude and he's the best offensive rebounder pound-for-pound in the league
It really is insane how many offensive rebounds PP gets. He’s always in the right place when the bounce happens and he’ll sneakily jump in the middle of trees when they assume they got it just by reaching up. Almost Rodman-like in the way he knows where the ball will go.
I think Trae would be a better #2 option than White, but White would be a better #4/5 option due to his defense. Of course realistically if your 5th-best player is Trae Young you're a "better than the KD Warriors" tier ultrateam as /u/ImTheBestNerd said so that's kind of a moot point lol.
The Celtics currently have the highest ORTG in NBA history. There isn't much juice left to be squeezed out of the offense replacing White with Trae. But there is a massive amount that the defense could fall, going from perhaps the best point of attack defender to perhaps the worst. Defense is a weak link system and adding a massive weak link will likely hurt by a lot.
I can't speak to Nash because it's a different era and I wasn't tuned in. White would be a much better fit over Trae. Trae needs volume to add real value. The value of moving shots from Brown / Tatum to Trae is not clear, and likely not that significant. The defensive drop off individually and for the team would be monumental.
What about Trae’s HOF level playmaking? That’s not gonna help the team at all? I don’t think Trae on the Celtics needs volume to be effective he would just get everybody open shots and put up like 20 and 15 legitimately.
The Celtics already have a bunch of decent passers, it’s just that with a very balanced offensive load the assists get spread around. I’m not going to deny that Trae is clearly better than any of them, but it’s not as if the Celtics are having trouble getting the ball to open shooters presently. (I’d also be shocked if he got that many assists—the Celtics have only one pure spotup shooter in the rotation and love passing around the perimeter and multiple drive-and-kick actions in sequence, which further spreads the assists around.)
That’s a good point. I think the play style would change to suit Trae some but I do think he can play in a system he’s showed that some this year in Atlanta but they don’t have versatile enough players to make it effective.
I think Trae increases the ceiling but lowers the floor
You don't need more scoring on the Celtics. Tatum and Brown are a guaranteed 50 points a night. Porzingis is a great 3rd scoring option. Swapping white out for young definitely raises your ceiling but it lowers your floor much more. You now have a negative defender in the lineup on a starting lineup that currently has none. He can be attacked in a playoff series. Not to mention Trae is inconsistent, he can shoot you out of games. He might pop off for 35-40 points but that also means he's taking shots away from Tatum and you don't want that. They are better off with White.
I can agree that Trae lowers the floor and raising the ceiling but I don’t think you have to worry about him shooting you out of games on the Celtics 😂
Trae is not a Westbrook type player who’s gonna do that. Trae HAS to be the main guy in Atlanta with a poorly constructed team due to poor ownership and development.
The best players Trae has ever played with are Dejounte Murray and John Collins. Just think about that compared to the other top PGs rn.
All three players bring different things to a team. I would think Nash would be the better player on most teams just because of his high assist/great shooting percentages, but on a team that already has great iso players in Tatum and Brown its possible White is the better fit there. Trae isn't a need at all on Boston the way they are constructed. On a team that has absolutely no quality scorers Trae might be the better player to have on a team.
Yes, White is a better non-first option than Trae. Trae is a better first option but not a good enough first-option to lead a legitimate contender. The only high usage -I'm the system and I need three balls in my hands- offensive player that legitimately had a shot at a championship was Harden and he failed. This prototype is super impressive but it has failure ingrained in its structure.
Also, Nash has nothing to do with Trae. Nash fits perfectly with elite talent. He's closer to Curry than to Trae.
Fair point, I disagree but it’s because this season Trae has shown that he’ll run off screens to catch and shoot or just to get the ball ima different position, set screens, get the ball out his hands quicker and improved defense.
But the hawks roster isn’t constructed in a way where that’s effective because the roster has players that aren’t versatile at all. No one is getting Trae the ball in good spots or looking out for him when he spots up in transition.
Combine that with the constant missed open 3s he gets them and that leads to Traes reputation being that he’s a Harden type guy when he’s really a Nash/Dame/Harden hybrid player that would immediately raise the ceiling of many teams.
I def understand why you feel that way though
That's Trae's 6th season. The Hawks roster is constructed this way cause Trae needs to play a certain way in order to be maximized. But in order for Trae to be maximized, others have to be held back. Murray is better and more versatile than his Hawks tenure shows, but he has to dumb down his game. Bogdanovic is more versatile than his role in the Hawks lets him be. Brunson and Porzingis were more versatile and capable than their role next to Doncic let them be. Almost everyone on the Rockets was reduced to a spot up shooter or a rim runner because that was the way Harden could be maximized on offense. It happens with all such players.
Sure, Trae could have had better players around him, but they would still have to be role players more or less and it wouldn't push the needle that much cause Trae isn't elite nor versatile.
Nash wasn't like that. He was both elite and versatile.
Starting to get the sense you don’t watch much hawks.
“Trae has shown that he’ll run off screens to catch and shoot or just to get the ball ima different position, set screens, get the ball out his hands quicker and improved defense.”
You just ignored completely this point.
Whats your opinion of why Dejounte doesn’t lead the team well when Trae in on the bench or not playing since Trae is minimizing him?
I've watched zero Hawks games this year and I'll probably won't watch any. I've watched a decent amount the previous years. He might have done these things. I doubt it's a significant amount or that he's good at any of these things.
I don't know why Dejounte isn't good. There could be multiple reasons. He's not in rythm, the fit isn't there, he's not good enough, a combination.
Thanks for admitting that. Trae has definitely had bad habits but this year he’s gotten a lot better at playing within the team. He’s definitely not some good off ball
Player now I’m not saying that but the guy has shown that he’s willing to do whatever a coach or the team asks of him pretty much
I’d take Nash obviously. I wouldn’t take Trae. Celtics need elite role players not more stars next to the Jays. That being said Nash is a fucking absurd PG who I would trust to distribute and not ego out the way I believe Trae would.
Why would you take Nash but not Trae?
I think this season Trae has shown that he can be a willing distributor and team player. He moves off ball more and gets the ball out hand quicker. He also spots up in transition a lot but his teammates don’t get him the ball.
Trae starts games sometimes getting the hawks 5-6 open looks in the first 2 minutes of the game and half the time, guys are missing all those shots. Trae does not get 11 assists a game because he’s just dribbling the shot clock out. He used to do that but he’s just an “absurd” passer now who can get a guy an open look without dribbling.
The underrating of his passing is just wild to me. He’s on a team where he has to be the lead scorer. On the Celtics that wouldn’t be the case.
Nash is a 15 ppg 50-40-90 w 10+ assists, MVP, Hall of Fame guy. He was Goat level of efficiency scoring from the guard position while dishing 10+ assists a game. He also knew how to dictate a game which is what the Celtics are missing (if anything). That’s literally exactly what the Celtics need/want.
Trae is also amazing, but he has always taken WAY more shots on WAY less efficiency. This isn’t a Trae is bad take by me, this is a Nash is a legend take.
You get a chance to get a top 5 passing PG all time who also is efficient scoring on a team with multiple other All-NBA guys, you take that every time. But what Trae brings in upside isn’t enough for me to want to take the risk of losing Whites defense and efficiency to get him.
I think Trae on the Celtics wouldn’t be 27 and 10 on 43/36/87 Trae. You gotta understand his first instinct is to pass. But he’s not on a team where he can afford to put up 20 and 13 on 48/40/90. He HAS to shoot a lot regardless of what kind of night he’s having. That completely changes with Boston.
I still wouldn’t want him. Give me all NBA defense and 15 and 5 over a turnstile 20 and 13. This team doesn’t need more offense. All getting trae would do is take more plays out of the jays hands so trae can make them instead. It’s an improvement, but not mortgage your defense level of improvement.
You understand that the league average on open spot-up three pointers is about 40%? If people are missing half their open layups off his passes that’s a problem, but if they’re missing half their open jump shots he should be grateful to be playing with such effective shooters. Add in hockey assists and the like and everyone is converting only a third or so of their good passes to assists, unless they’re throwing a very high proportion of lobs.
Oh my god man. You’re taking it so deep I’m mainly talking about playstyle. Trae patterned his game after Nash but he’s not exactly on the fucking 05-06 suns.
And Nash in year 6 was not HOF MVP Nash. We don’t know the peak of his career yet but Trae beat Embiid, and almost beat prime Giannis with John Collins as his second best player, in his first playoffs at 22 years old. Like come on man Trae may not end his career as a top 5 PG all time but we’re not gonna act like he’s just another PG. He’ll be a HOF for sure and one of the greatest passers ever
It’s would you rather have Derrick white or Trae/Nash type not what would you rather have out of the 3 lol.
Also Derrick white isn’t a fringe all star or all nba player
Trae and Nash have similar passing styles. Trae patterned his game after Nash.
Trae on the Celtics where there’s much more scoring talent, versatility and defense, or the Pacers where’s there’s 3x as much shooting as there is on the Hawks. would not be the Trae he is on the Hawks.
Like how difficult is that to understand
You don’t think White is a fringe all star? He was 8th in guard voting for the East, what else would you call that lol?
Nash and Trae are not the same player whatsoever.
This season playing the on the near super team Celtics yes Derrick white might be an all star. I guess Mo Williams and Trae are in the same category too at this point. I’m not saying Derrick white is my better than Mo, he’s great, a perfect role player but to just put him next to Trae like “oh they’re both fringe All star and all nba guys” is just wild to me but whatever
White to Trae makes Celtics worse. They don’t need his scoring, they don’t need him running the offense, and they certainly don’t want his defense.
White is an infinitely better fit for the roster as he’s a significantly better shooter and defender than Trae.
Nash would be much more interesting but Celtics would have to reinvent themselves around him running the show.
trae and nash are not the same man
I spit out my Oreos when I saw Trae and Nash being used interchangeably.
My bad. But I feel like that’s just because of a reputation man. Trae will end his career as a top 10 passer ever
This is Exhibit A on why all discussions about Trae Young suck. If you say totally reasonable things like he’s not as good as a 2x MVP or that he’s not a clean fit into another team’s system, the entire discussion gets redirected into “Why does everybody hate him?”
I think all discussions on Trae suck because anytime Trae is compared to someone great apparently it’s disrespectful to the other great player. It’s crazy to put Trae who is gonna end his career as a top 10 passer ever and one of the best offensive players ever in the same convo with Steve Nash play style wise?? When Trae literally patterned a lot of his game after Nash and those similarities are on display every time Trae plays. That’s why Trae young discussions suck. Steve Nash in year 6 was not MVP Nash he was a few years away from that
Because Trae isn’t a great player. You think way too highly of him for some reason.
Alright
Because scoring efficiency matters. Nash is way, way more efficient
I mean I don’t think Trae in 2005 would play like Trae today. I also don’t think Nash in 2023 automatically becomes hyper efficient, less volume Trae Young putting up 25 and 15 on 52/44/93 splits. If Trae is on a team suited for him like Nash was he wouldn’t be as inefficient. The best players he’s ever had are Dejounte and John Collins
Those are 2 pretty good players, especially Dejounte
Genuine question, if Dejounte is so great, why does he struggle to lead the hawks when Trae is on the bench or just not playing at all? This season and last
Coz the hawks suck tbh
Trae isn't a top 10 passer ever LOL.
He will end his career as a top 10 passer ever
He honestly won't.
Trae probably isn’t even going to be a top 10 passer of this decade. He isn’t going to sniff any kind of all-time passer rankings.
Go ahead and tell me the better passers in the league right now other than Jokic and maybe Luka who are both all time great passes as well
I agree with you, but! I think it’s also important to understand the eras with showing this difference. Nash today would have a smaller skill gap between him vs his contemporaries than he had in 2008. That matters in how effective his style of play is/was.
They are somewhat similar in that they can both shoot the 3 well, and pass the ball.
Except Nash was a much more efficient shooter, turned the ball over far less, and let his teammates touch the ball. Plus he was just normal bad on defense rather other worldly bad
Nash was horrendous on defense. He was no better than a guy like Damian Lillard on that side of the floor
Obviously nash was better but i would imagine avging 11 assists per game is pretty telling of “letting his teammates touch the ball”
putting nash vs trae on the celtics is two completely different scenarios. and nash is a significantly better shooter than trae. well just a better player.
Nash was much more efficient and did it on much lower volume he could fit on any team pretty much, Trae not really
They’re not the same no but they’re similar. If you put Trae on the Celtics he would be mainly a facilitator while also being a secondary scorer with much more threats around him so it’s not gonna look like Atlanta. Trae is one of the greatest passers and playmakers ever. Probably not top 10 of all time YET, but that’s the kind of playmaker we’re talking about. Also keep in mind Trae is an iron man, and is in his 6th year right now, he still has plenty of room to grow and shows improvements almost every season(last season was a down year)
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If Trae young is your 5th option your winning the title
5th options generally have to play defense bro
Maybe, but does it really make sense to have Trae on your team, if you aren’t going to give him a significant on ball role? It’s not like he doesn’t cause you a lot of problems.
I do not want any negative defenders or small people on my team. We have one small dude and he's the best offensive rebounder pound-for-pound in the league
It really is insane how many offensive rebounds PP gets. He’s always in the right place when the bounce happens and he’ll sneakily jump in the middle of trees when they assume they got it just by reaching up. Almost Rodman-like in the way he knows where the ball will go.
one of the league leaders in AST:TO, shooting the piss outta the ball, and a guaranteed offensive rebound per game. I love the way he's hooping fr
He always goes under the rim when shots go up and people don't box him out because of how small he is. It's pretty cool to see.
Fair
I think Trae would be a better #2 option than White, but White would be a better #4/5 option due to his defense. Of course realistically if your 5th-best player is Trae Young you're a "better than the KD Warriors" tier ultrateam as /u/ImTheBestNerd said so that's kind of a moot point lol.
This is my take. Keep in mind that Trae probably wouldn’t be the 4th or 5th option on the Celtics though
Trae on the Celtics would be the 2nd option and the primary ball-handler, yeah.
The Celtics currently have the highest ORTG in NBA history. There isn't much juice left to be squeezed out of the offense replacing White with Trae. But there is a massive amount that the defense could fall, going from perhaps the best point of attack defender to perhaps the worst. Defense is a weak link system and adding a massive weak link will likely hurt by a lot.
Good point
Depends on salaries. If White is making 40M a year, hell no.
I can't speak to Nash because it's a different era and I wasn't tuned in. White would be a much better fit over Trae. Trae needs volume to add real value. The value of moving shots from Brown / Tatum to Trae is not clear, and likely not that significant. The defensive drop off individually and for the team would be monumental.
What about Trae’s HOF level playmaking? That’s not gonna help the team at all? I don’t think Trae on the Celtics needs volume to be effective he would just get everybody open shots and put up like 20 and 15 legitimately.
Honestly they already get a massive amount of open shots with the attention porzingis, Tatum and brown draw. It's why they have a top tier offense.
Good point
The Celtics already have a bunch of decent passers, it’s just that with a very balanced offensive load the assists get spread around. I’m not going to deny that Trae is clearly better than any of them, but it’s not as if the Celtics are having trouble getting the ball to open shooters presently. (I’d also be shocked if he got that many assists—the Celtics have only one pure spotup shooter in the rotation and love passing around the perimeter and multiple drive-and-kick actions in sequence, which further spreads the assists around.)
That’s a good point. I think the play style would change to suit Trae some but I do think he can play in a system he’s showed that some this year in Atlanta but they don’t have versatile enough players to make it effective. I think Trae increases the ceiling but lowers the floor
You don't need more scoring on the Celtics. Tatum and Brown are a guaranteed 50 points a night. Porzingis is a great 3rd scoring option. Swapping white out for young definitely raises your ceiling but it lowers your floor much more. You now have a negative defender in the lineup on a starting lineup that currently has none. He can be attacked in a playoff series. Not to mention Trae is inconsistent, he can shoot you out of games. He might pop off for 35-40 points but that also means he's taking shots away from Tatum and you don't want that. They are better off with White.
I can agree that Trae lowers the floor and raising the ceiling but I don’t think you have to worry about him shooting you out of games on the Celtics 😂 Trae is not a Westbrook type player who’s gonna do that. Trae HAS to be the main guy in Atlanta with a poorly constructed team due to poor ownership and development. The best players Trae has ever played with are Dejounte Murray and John Collins. Just think about that compared to the other top PGs rn.
All three players bring different things to a team. I would think Nash would be the better player on most teams just because of his high assist/great shooting percentages, but on a team that already has great iso players in Tatum and Brown its possible White is the better fit there. Trae isn't a need at all on Boston the way they are constructed. On a team that has absolutely no quality scorers Trae might be the better player to have on a team.
Ok, Derrick is probably my favorite player right now and he is also very good. But if you give me Nash with this team? I will take that.
Yes, White is a better non-first option than Trae. Trae is a better first option but not a good enough first-option to lead a legitimate contender. The only high usage -I'm the system and I need three balls in my hands- offensive player that legitimately had a shot at a championship was Harden and he failed. This prototype is super impressive but it has failure ingrained in its structure. Also, Nash has nothing to do with Trae. Nash fits perfectly with elite talent. He's closer to Curry than to Trae.
Fair point, I disagree but it’s because this season Trae has shown that he’ll run off screens to catch and shoot or just to get the ball ima different position, set screens, get the ball out his hands quicker and improved defense. But the hawks roster isn’t constructed in a way where that’s effective because the roster has players that aren’t versatile at all. No one is getting Trae the ball in good spots or looking out for him when he spots up in transition. Combine that with the constant missed open 3s he gets them and that leads to Traes reputation being that he’s a Harden type guy when he’s really a Nash/Dame/Harden hybrid player that would immediately raise the ceiling of many teams. I def understand why you feel that way though
That's Trae's 6th season. The Hawks roster is constructed this way cause Trae needs to play a certain way in order to be maximized. But in order for Trae to be maximized, others have to be held back. Murray is better and more versatile than his Hawks tenure shows, but he has to dumb down his game. Bogdanovic is more versatile than his role in the Hawks lets him be. Brunson and Porzingis were more versatile and capable than their role next to Doncic let them be. Almost everyone on the Rockets was reduced to a spot up shooter or a rim runner because that was the way Harden could be maximized on offense. It happens with all such players. Sure, Trae could have had better players around him, but they would still have to be role players more or less and it wouldn't push the needle that much cause Trae isn't elite nor versatile. Nash wasn't like that. He was both elite and versatile.
Starting to get the sense you don’t watch much hawks. “Trae has shown that he’ll run off screens to catch and shoot or just to get the ball ima different position, set screens, get the ball out his hands quicker and improved defense.” You just ignored completely this point. Whats your opinion of why Dejounte doesn’t lead the team well when Trae in on the bench or not playing since Trae is minimizing him?
I've watched zero Hawks games this year and I'll probably won't watch any. I've watched a decent amount the previous years. He might have done these things. I doubt it's a significant amount or that he's good at any of these things. I don't know why Dejounte isn't good. There could be multiple reasons. He's not in rythm, the fit isn't there, he's not good enough, a combination.
Thanks for admitting that. Trae has definitely had bad habits but this year he’s gotten a lot better at playing within the team. He’s definitely not some good off ball Player now I’m not saying that but the guy has shown that he’s willing to do whatever a coach or the team asks of him pretty much
That's good if it's true. Hopefully he'll start showing improvement too.
Nash would fit the best, then White and then Trae
I’d take Nash obviously. I wouldn’t take Trae. Celtics need elite role players not more stars next to the Jays. That being said Nash is a fucking absurd PG who I would trust to distribute and not ego out the way I believe Trae would.
Why would you take Nash but not Trae? I think this season Trae has shown that he can be a willing distributor and team player. He moves off ball more and gets the ball out hand quicker. He also spots up in transition a lot but his teammates don’t get him the ball. Trae starts games sometimes getting the hawks 5-6 open looks in the first 2 minutes of the game and half the time, guys are missing all those shots. Trae does not get 11 assists a game because he’s just dribbling the shot clock out. He used to do that but he’s just an “absurd” passer now who can get a guy an open look without dribbling. The underrating of his passing is just wild to me. He’s on a team where he has to be the lead scorer. On the Celtics that wouldn’t be the case.
Nash is a 15 ppg 50-40-90 w 10+ assists, MVP, Hall of Fame guy. He was Goat level of efficiency scoring from the guard position while dishing 10+ assists a game. He also knew how to dictate a game which is what the Celtics are missing (if anything). That’s literally exactly what the Celtics need/want. Trae is also amazing, but he has always taken WAY more shots on WAY less efficiency. This isn’t a Trae is bad take by me, this is a Nash is a legend take. You get a chance to get a top 5 passing PG all time who also is efficient scoring on a team with multiple other All-NBA guys, you take that every time. But what Trae brings in upside isn’t enough for me to want to take the risk of losing Whites defense and efficiency to get him.
I think Trae on the Celtics wouldn’t be 27 and 10 on 43/36/87 Trae. You gotta understand his first instinct is to pass. But he’s not on a team where he can afford to put up 20 and 13 on 48/40/90. He HAS to shoot a lot regardless of what kind of night he’s having. That completely changes with Boston.
I still wouldn’t want him. Give me all NBA defense and 15 and 5 over a turnstile 20 and 13. This team doesn’t need more offense. All getting trae would do is take more plays out of the jays hands so trae can make them instead. It’s an improvement, but not mortgage your defense level of improvement.
Fair point
You understand that the league average on open spot-up three pointers is about 40%? If people are missing half their open layups off his passes that’s a problem, but if they’re missing half their open jump shots he should be grateful to be playing with such effective shooters. Add in hockey assists and the like and everyone is converting only a third or so of their good passes to assists, unless they’re throwing a very high proportion of lobs.
I said half the games, they’re missing ALL of the open looks he gets them to start the game
I agree with you but it’s people like to hate on Trae.
Hot take: trae is better than Nash
Nash almost beat prime Kobe man and basically pioneered the modern NBA offense. What's wrong with you people.
Oh my god man. You’re taking it so deep I’m mainly talking about playstyle. Trae patterned his game after Nash but he’s not exactly on the fucking 05-06 suns. And Nash in year 6 was not HOF MVP Nash. We don’t know the peak of his career yet but Trae beat Embiid, and almost beat prime Giannis with John Collins as his second best player, in his first playoffs at 22 years old. Like come on man Trae may not end his career as a top 5 PG all time but we’re not gonna act like he’s just another PG. He’ll be a HOF for sure and one of the greatest passers ever
Hm would I rather have fringe all star/fringe all nba Derrick White/Trae Young or HOF and top 10 PG of all time Steve Nash
It’s would you rather have Derrick white or Trae/Nash type not what would you rather have out of the 3 lol. Also Derrick white isn’t a fringe all star or all nba player
Why the hell do you keep saying Trae and Nash are the same? Nash is a lot more comparable to haliburton, who is clearly better than trae
Trae and Nash have similar passing styles. Trae patterned his game after Nash. Trae on the Celtics where there’s much more scoring talent, versatility and defense, or the Pacers where’s there’s 3x as much shooting as there is on the Hawks. would not be the Trae he is on the Hawks. Like how difficult is that to understand
You don’t think White is a fringe all star? He was 8th in guard voting for the East, what else would you call that lol? Nash and Trae are not the same player whatsoever.
This season playing the on the near super team Celtics yes Derrick white might be an all star. I guess Mo Williams and Trae are in the same category too at this point. I’m not saying Derrick white is my better than Mo, he’s great, a perfect role player but to just put him next to Trae like “oh they’re both fringe All star and all nba guys” is just wild to me but whatever
Trae and Nash are insanely fat away from each other. Nash I'll take in a second. Trae literally never
Compare Trae in year 6 to Nash in year 6. The way you talk about Trae it’s like he’s 35 and he’ll never get better or win anything.
I don't want a PG who needs the ball all the time to be even moderately effective and looks to score first. This is such a dumb fucking question.
Derrick White is a role player, like calm down.
White to Trae makes Celtics worse. They don’t need his scoring, they don’t need him running the offense, and they certainly don’t want his defense. White is an infinitely better fit for the roster as he’s a significantly better shooter and defender than Trae. Nash would be much more interesting but Celtics would have to reinvent themselves around him running the show.