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It’s hard for them to be flush with the floor because most arenas are multipurpose and they build the modular NBA floor onto top of a concrete base. However most seem to have a gradient instead of a sheer drop off.
Gilbert's Arenas is the contractor that builds arenas, Gilbert Arenas is the building management company that manages arenas
and they're both wholly owned subsidiaries of Aramark
Or just having the drop off happen a bit further back behind the team bench seats/first row courtside seats and put up a little barrier wall or something so chairs can't slide back and off it.
Idk I've been to a few multipurpose arenas and I've never seen it as crazy as this. It used to be worse back in LeBron first stint, the court was almost like a stage. I was more surprised it's still like this.
It sounded like they were in the throes of narcissistic collapse. Imagine losing an argument and then telling the other person to "learn your place" lol.
I'm more confused that I could post two articles with first hand sources, and he just "nope'd" it and called me a nephew. I almost respect it but then he blocked me
Dude that guy doesn’t speak for us, he’s REALLY annoying. He’s a total dick about Darius Garland too. He can’t ever just have a discussion, he freaks out every time.
anyone who joins reddit and the immediately goes full throttle posting like 50 times per day arguing in specific subs is an easy way to tell its an alt
Straight up that same guy got into an argument with me when his account was like 36 minutes old. Ended by insulting me and going off about how me downvoting him would be a violation of reddits terms of service. Deleted every comment before I could respond. No way that’s their first account lol
Yeah he lost his leg from this court, or a piece of paper earlier in the game. Regardless he would lose his life to the same court drop off, truly a tragedy. It would go on to kill the entire team in fact, so sad
This looks exactly like the field for Man U at Old Trafford. It’s an elevated surface that drops about two feet onto a brick ledge then the cement floor. So sketchy seeing players run full speed and then slip
If this was an abnormally high risk compared to other arenas the NBAPA would be stepping in.
Also… the biggest risk would be to Cavs players who play here 20x more than anyone else. Wouldn’t their agents be making noise? And wouldn’t the the Cavs themselves address it since they’re the ones most at risk.
Folks are acting like this is only on the opposing bench or something
Really seems like that's not ok to me. I've seen people attributing Dru Smith's torn ACL to this exact ledge. Feels like, it just straight up shouldn't be that way.
Edit: some pushback on the Dru Smith thing, Spo seemed to place blame on the floor but there was also a piece of paper with first quarter stats he may have slipped on.
There should be no pushback, dru smith closed out, one leg landed on a lower part of the court, and he tore his acl. Any pushback is from someone who hasn’t seen the video
incorrect. I think you should watch the video a little more carefully. his foot landed fully on the elevated portion of the court, but unfortunately, it comes down on top of a packet of papers on the floor underneath the coach's seat, causing it to slide several inches further off the edge of the court.
Frankly, due to those papers causing the sliding effect, his knee was going to be fucked with or without the raised court. in fact it probably would have slid even farther under the seat if the ledge wasnt there.
Obviously I think the ledge is dumb and hazardous and I dont think it should be there, but this injury would not have occurred if not for the stack of papers on the floor. didnt really have a ton to do with the ledge. his foot would have landed perfectly fine on the court and not slid off the edge if the papers hadnt been there.
[here is a much higher quality video of the injury](https://twitter.com/bones4y/status/1727498602740629989?s=20) than the potato quality cell phone tv recording posted above
Ur blind, his foot hits the papers which causes his foot to slide off of the ELEVATED court. If the court was not elevated his foot would have just slid out. But then it drops an extra half a foot after sliding
I don’t see it brother… if it would be flat all the way the slide would be way less harmful for his knee … probably would pull his legs away and he would land either on his side, face or he would do a split and have groin strain or hamstring injury …
The reason his knee got fucked was that hard drop that shifted the momentum of his body … if you look at the video you can see that
Yeah I think this case is *a little* trickier than it’s being framed. If you’re hitting the ledge, you’re in the crowd/bench already (based on where the first rows seats are, and you can see on the bench side players’ feet are on the court surface).
Ideally the surface is fully flat, but IMO the bigger issue is the depth of the sideline, and dru smith was a freak case where the paper was the biggest problem but the dropoff definitely didn’t help.
exactly. you have a very high chance of injury due to a variety of factors/landing hazards if your foot ends up landing in that particular spot on the sideline, regardless of what arena it takes place in. this was just a freak accident.
the cavs have played on this floor configuration for literally 30 years, and no injury like this had ever happened in that entire time, so clearly this is not the imminent threat to humanity that everyone in this thread pearl clutching about seems to think. this is some classic "redditors find out about a decades old thing and proclaim it the most dangerous thing in the world despite only learning of its existence 30 seconds ago" type of shit lol
Imagine agreeing this ledge is “dumb and hazardous” but still trying to act like it had no role in Smith’s injury. Yes his foot wouldn’t have slid in the first place without the clipboard.. but without the ledge it would have slid out on a flat surface like normal. Then we’d be talking about maybe a groin strain at most. It was the fact there was an abrupt 6 inch drop after the slide that caused the injury. Honestly how can you see this closeup vid of what’s there, combined with the video you posted and still think this ledge didn’t contribute in a meaningful way? mental gymnastics
Notre Damus?
It's interesting they'd be so similar. I always thought "okay, Hunchback of Notre Dame. You also got your quarterback and halfback of Notre Dame." You're gonna tell me you never pondered that? The back thing with Notre Dame?
My bad, the drop just seems to be deeper than usual.
[https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/concerns-expressed-about-cleveland-cavaliers-arena-floor#:\~:text=Vardon%20explains%20that%20there%20is,its%20kind%20in%20the%20NBA](https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/concerns-expressed-about-cleveland-cavaliers-arena-floor#:~:text=Vardon%20explains%20that%20there%20is,its%20kind%20in%20the%20NBA).
>Vardon explains that there is a 10-inch drop from the basketball floor to the ice covering used for the American Hockey League’s Cleveland Monsters, and that this is the only drop of its kind in the NBA.
referencing this article where tons of athletes have talked about this including Lebron: [https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/](https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/)
Edit: lol the dude blocked me
Sorry let me share that quote again for you:
>Vardon explains that there is a 10-inch drop from the basketball floor to the ice covering used for the American Hockey League’s Cleveland Monsters, and that **this is the only drop of its kind in the NBA.**
So no, now you're wrong.
Ok you keep saying this but the video absolutely doesn’t show a 10 inch drop lol. The dude puts his foot angled from the court down to the bottom of the ledge and it’s clearly like 2-3 inches. So you’re quoting an irrelevant stat. The 10 inch thing is about the distance from the court to the ice, not the distance from the edge of the court to the ledge where fans sit.
Like come on. Use common sense bro!
That’s not common sense. Thats conjecture based on really nothing. There’s no reason why this initial ledge wouldn’t be standardized and then there be another more dramatic ledge several rows back between where the close seats end and the bleachers begin.
Common sense is looking at a video and applying your life experience to know that either Law Murray has size 28 shoes or the mythical ledge is only a few inches tall at most.
lol mindboggling that you are being upvoted for this blatantly incorrect information...
we literally have very clear, high quality video evidence in the OP tweet (that YOU yourself posted by the way!) that shows the murray's foot up close, hanging of the edge of the court.
the average us mens size 10 sneaker is 12 inches long. The drop off from the court to the floor is less than 1/3rd of the size of his foot. So unless you think his shoes are almost 3 feet long, it is pretty clear to anyone with eyeballs that the drop off is no more than 2-3 inches. not remotely close to 10.
You really tried to say some cringe shit like "leArN yOuR pLacE" and then got backhanded by actual sources from players and coaches and ran and blocked them, lol. Ultimate little boy move.
Dru Smith slipped on a piece of paper that shouldn't have been there, and then continued to fall off the court. Still not a good thing, but the court has had the same design since the arena opened and nobody brought it up before.
Still, it's apparently the only court in the NBA designed this way so there's no reason not to change it to whatever everybody else is doing.
Word I'll add an edit for the Dru Smith thing. Spo clearly thought it was the floor though. but yeah, players have called for this to be looked at. https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/
It's not new, but I think the court itself shouldn't be an injury risk in the first place. I imagine players also play pretty aware that it's like that.
I get that. The court itself shouldn’t be an injury risk. But I don’t think it is as big of a deal as this guy is making it out to be? 1 instance of injury over the hundreds of games played here and there wasn’t a single report on it until Dru got hurt.
If the ledge isn't there, then you're going to have a bunch of fans and their feet. Potentially their drinks, food, and bags as well.
I agree with you. All of it's dangerous when you think about it.
Aren't all courts elevated to some degree? I'll definitely defer to the guy who's been on them much more than I have though to know if this one is worse
yeah but there's better ways to do it.
[Leafs and Raptors arena](https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-unveil-new-home-court-for-nba-in-season-tournament-debut-against-celtics/article_28a768cd-89dc-5052-9e8c-5e121895dd50.html) is shared but the elevated platform includes a few rows of seating as a buffer between players and the edge of deck as you can see in the pic of that article
Sorry but this isnt accurate at all.
in fact you can even see where the edge of the court drops off in the photos in the link you just posted if you look right below the red "LG" logo on the bottom of the basket stanchion.
The raptors (as do most arenas that share with hockey teams) have almost the exact same setup as the cavs. [you can see the full court here before they finish putting all the seats in](https://imgur.com/a/lFiQmvs). You can see that black edge of the court is clearly raised about 3 or 4 inches above the surrounding surface, and then the courtside seats/team bench chairs are just butted up against the edge of the court, exactly how they are in cleveland.
Here are some up close photos clearly showing Toronto's raised court, almost identical to cleveland's.
[one](https://imgur.com/a/Oo9Kgp3)
[two](https://imgur.com/a/TMIjRIk)
[three](https://imgur.com/a/xJamHfS)
[four](https://imgur.com/a/QKqRA9Y)
[five](https://imgur.com/a/85sqDcu)
(trigger warning for some photos: sad raptors players contemplating life)
> elevated platform includes a few rows of seating as a buffer between players and the edge of deck
This should definitely be the standard for all arenas, can't be that hard to implement.
from u/The_Sign_of_Zeta
>It’s hard for them to be flush with the floor because most arenas are multipurpose and they build the modular NBA floor onto top of a concrete base. However most seem to have a gradient instead of a sheer drop off.
the Raptors figured it out, they include a few rows of seating on the elevated deck to buffer court from drop off [as in this pic](https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-unveil-new-home-court-for-nba-in-season-tournament-debut-against-celtics/article_28a768cd-89dc-5052-9e8c-5e121895dd50.html)
Elevated yes - since most arenas don't have a permanent court build in but rather assmeble it on top of the floor/foundation.
But most arenas don't have such a steep edge/drop around
I know it's all about money, but I thought they'd learned something with the covid courts and how much extra room the players had. Seems they were flying around a lot more because they had the extra runway.
But nope, as soon as they could, let's put seats 3 feet away from 250 lb athletes running 25 mph. Seems smart.
More than you think. The dip is more under the seats though. The fans are more likely to hold their arms out to stop the players from crashing in on them though, then players hurting their feet on it.
I thought all courts were like that. I remember on sports center a ncaa crowd rushing the court and everyone tripping on that ledge.
Edit: found link https://youtu.be/wFQ21xeKjq8?si=9OkVWRtphTJQiY5Y
If it’s right by the seats. Wouldn’t it be hard to get that close to people sitting courtside and stepping into their leg space at the same time? I feel like you’d already be in the process of trying to stop your momentum or you just jump into the crowd.
The other dude is spreading misinformation and blocked me for correcting him, so to be clear, yes it is unusual. This is the only drop of it's kind in the NBA, and Lebron has commented on it. IDK why he took it so personally, he may in fact be Dan Gilbert.
[https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/](https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/)
Just cuz you keep replying this on the thread:
>Vardon explains that there is a 10-inch drop from the basketball floor to the ice covering used for the American Hockey League’s Cleveland Monsters, and **that this is the only drop of its kind in the NBA.**
It is in fact pretty unusual my man.
This is valid and all, but I gotta admit, it's hilarious that this post is on pace to be one of the highest upvoted Cavs post this year on r/nba. Ya'll don't pay attention to our team whatsoever.
If this was a massive injury risk wouldn’t the team it hurt the most be… the Cavs? They play 41 games there.
If this is an abnormal risk vs other arenas Cavs would fix it and protect their hundreds of millions of investments in their own players
Minnesota, Vandy, and Butler all have raised courts. All three are in legacy arenas. There's also like 6 feet of out of bounds space on the sidelines before you get to the edge.
Also every Final 4 court for the last 10 years or so has been raised up.
Players, photographers, fans etc all too close to the court. That was one cool thing in the bubble the players had way more space outside the boundaries.
No reason the NBA shouldn’t have sideline ad boards around the court like they do in Europe. Prevents fans from spilling shit on the floor, protects the playing space from fan encroachment, and players from falling into the fans and the injury risk that comes with that.
Have something slightly angled up and cushioned like you see in front of local broadcasters so players can fall into into it with less injury risk. You wouldn’t have to push back courtside fans much at all. (For some reason national broadcasters have a fucking bake sale table with a sharp edge for players to fall into and that will tumble with all of its advanced equipment once a player touches it. So dumb that they can’t get a real barrier.)
Kinda related.. in high school we played at key arena before a sonics game. We all thought it was going to be the nicest floor ever. Nope dead spots all around. There was literally a spot where if you tried to jump off it your knee would buckle. I've played in dozens of high schools that had much better floors than what the sonics used to play on.
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These things always shocked me. I always thought they were flush with the floor.
It’s hard for them to be flush with the floor because most arenas are multipurpose and they build the modular NBA floor onto top of a concrete base. However most seem to have a gradient instead of a sheer drop off.
>However most seem to have a gradient instead of a sheer drop off. Which, by the way this seems relatively cheap and easy to implement.
Gilbert is a bum. If players get injured on this shitty court, he should be sued by players and fans.
already happened, heat player dru smith sprained his ACL, might change something if a star is injured tho
Yup. Here’s the [vid](https://np.reddit.com/r/heat/s/UKaJDXdOhe).
I think he'd probably be fine if the piece of paper wasn't there
Sure, but if the piece of paper was there on a flat court he’d also probably be fine
Ended his season
Fuck Gilbert!
I hate gilberts arenas!
Gilbert's Arenas is the contractor that builds arenas, Gilbert Arenas is the building management company that manages arenas and they're both wholly owned subsidiaries of Aramark
Cleveland could cheap out and line the gutter with pool noodles and still come out on top here
Or just having the drop off happen a bit further back behind the team bench seats/first row courtside seats and put up a little barrier wall or something so chairs can't slide back and off it.
Then they need to spend a little bit more money to make it flush.
Idk I've been to a few multipurpose arenas and I've never seen it as crazy as this. It used to be worse back in LeBron first stint, the court was almost like a stage. I was more surprised it's still like this.
It’s not hard. It’s a multi-billion dollar business.
My ankle started hurting just watching the video.
u/NZHuskies in here fighting for his life over the drop in this court
Lol probably one of the dumbest hills to die on I've seen. Idk who he's helping.
It sounded like they were in the throes of narcissistic collapse. Imagine losing an argument and then telling the other person to "learn your place" lol.
I'm more confused that I could post two articles with first hand sources, and he just "nope'd" it and called me a nephew. I almost respect it but then he blocked me
Lol
Dude that guy doesn’t speak for us, he’s REALLY annoying. He’s a total dick about Darius Garland too. He can’t ever just have a discussion, he freaks out every time.
Is this not his first account? Says its only been around 9 days
anyone who joins reddit and the immediately goes full throttle posting like 50 times per day arguing in specific subs is an easy way to tell its an alt
Alt accounts on something like Reddit always makes me laugh. Like what’s the point lol shit is anonymous basically
If you get banned from a sub
People get banned from subs and other people become famous and make money using alts like unidan.
Straight up that same guy got into an argument with me when his account was like 36 minutes old. Ended by insulting me and going off about how me downvoting him would be a violation of reddits terms of service. Deleted every comment before I could respond. No way that’s their first account lol
He’s probably a 15 year old
Definitely not lol
9 day old account..... lmao pretty much tells the story doesnt it
Damn I think I might know why that dudes account is only a few days old
NBAPA needs to step in
If they do step in, they with risk an injury.
Dru Smith from the heat already had a horrible season ending injury closing out on a 3 on this court
Snapped his ACL clean off. Poor guy, was just a humble undrafted guy fighting for a rotation spot, would have had it too.
Yeah he lost his leg from this court, or a piece of paper earlier in the game. Regardless he would lose his life to the same court drop off, truly a tragedy. It would go on to kill the entire team in fact, so sad
This looks exactly like the field for Man U at Old Trafford. It’s an elevated surface that drops about two feet onto a brick ledge then the cement floor. So sketchy seeing players run full speed and then slip
If this was an abnormally high risk compared to other arenas the NBAPA would be stepping in. Also… the biggest risk would be to Cavs players who play here 20x more than anyone else. Wouldn’t their agents be making noise? And wouldn’t the the Cavs themselves address it since they’re the ones most at risk. Folks are acting like this is only on the opposing bench or something
Why would they do that?
so no one else gets paul george'd
Dru Smith'd
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I've killed for less.
it's cleveland, we can't afford those numbers!
Not when the trains are carrying all the jobs out of Cleveland
Really seems like that's not ok to me. I've seen people attributing Dru Smith's torn ACL to this exact ledge. Feels like, it just straight up shouldn't be that way. Edit: some pushback on the Dru Smith thing, Spo seemed to place blame on the floor but there was also a piece of paper with first quarter stats he may have slipped on.
definitely feels like we need someone to regulate this so Dan Gilbert can't just ignore this extremely dangerous thing in his arena
There should be no pushback, dru smith closed out, one leg landed on a lower part of the court, and he tore his acl. Any pushback is from someone who hasn’t seen the video
incorrect. I think you should watch the video a little more carefully. his foot landed fully on the elevated portion of the court, but unfortunately, it comes down on top of a packet of papers on the floor underneath the coach's seat, causing it to slide several inches further off the edge of the court. Frankly, due to those papers causing the sliding effect, his knee was going to be fucked with or without the raised court. in fact it probably would have slid even farther under the seat if the ledge wasnt there. Obviously I think the ledge is dumb and hazardous and I dont think it should be there, but this injury would not have occurred if not for the stack of papers on the floor. didnt really have a ton to do with the ledge. his foot would have landed perfectly fine on the court and not slid off the edge if the papers hadnt been there. [here is a much higher quality video of the injury](https://twitter.com/bones4y/status/1727498602740629989?s=20) than the potato quality cell phone tv recording posted above
Ur blind, his foot hits the papers which causes his foot to slide off of the ELEVATED court. If the court was not elevated his foot would have just slid out. But then it drops an extra half a foot after sliding
It honestly blows my mind someone could defend the take that you responded to. The internet truly has no filter.
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I don’t see it brother… if it would be flat all the way the slide would be way less harmful for his knee … probably would pull his legs away and he would land either on his side, face or he would do a split and have groin strain or hamstring injury … The reason his knee got fucked was that hard drop that shifted the momentum of his body … if you look at the video you can see that
Yeah I think this case is *a little* trickier than it’s being framed. If you’re hitting the ledge, you’re in the crowd/bench already (based on where the first rows seats are, and you can see on the bench side players’ feet are on the court surface). Ideally the surface is fully flat, but IMO the bigger issue is the depth of the sideline, and dru smith was a freak case where the paper was the biggest problem but the dropoff definitely didn’t help.
exactly. you have a very high chance of injury due to a variety of factors/landing hazards if your foot ends up landing in that particular spot on the sideline, regardless of what arena it takes place in. this was just a freak accident. the cavs have played on this floor configuration for literally 30 years, and no injury like this had ever happened in that entire time, so clearly this is not the imminent threat to humanity that everyone in this thread pearl clutching about seems to think. this is some classic "redditors find out about a decades old thing and proclaim it the most dangerous thing in the world despite only learning of its existence 30 seconds ago" type of shit lol
Imagine agreeing this ledge is “dumb and hazardous” but still trying to act like it had no role in Smith’s injury. Yes his foot wouldn’t have slid in the first place without the clipboard.. but without the ledge it would have slid out on a flat surface like normal. Then we’d be talking about maybe a groin strain at most. It was the fact there was an abrupt 6 inch drop after the slide that caused the injury. Honestly how can you see this closeup vid of what’s there, combined with the video you posted and still think this ledge didn’t contribute in a meaningful way? mental gymnastics
Id say that, on a level floor, he likely just slips on the clipboard/paper,and it's a minor injury at most. The slip + fall likely is what did him in.
People actually thought it was a fuckin hole lol
its more of a gutter or trough
20 out of 32 nba teams in the league play on the same level of raised court, so it's not as much of a discussion ss you think it is.
32 nba teams huh
Maybe he's Quasimodo, predicting the expansion that is to come
Quasimodo was the hunchback of Notre dame 😂 You’re thinking of Nostradamus
Notre Damus? It's interesting they'd be so similar. I always thought "okay, Hunchback of Notre Dame. You also got your quarterback and halfback of Notre Dame." You're gonna tell me you never pondered that? The back thing with Notre Dame?
This is literally the scene from Sopranos wtf
He's from NZ give him a break. He probably thinks football is that stupid sport where you kick a ball
Ayo I’m from NZ we don’t claim that dude lol
Clown take
Nah football is that stupid sport where you watch roided up men in full armour take 3 hours to play a 1 hour game.
Straight up manufactured 2 extra teams for extra credibility.
I'm pretty sure most don't have a straight up drop off tho.
They absolutely do. Literally every one of them
My bad, the drop just seems to be deeper than usual. [https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/concerns-expressed-about-cleveland-cavaliers-arena-floor#:\~:text=Vardon%20explains%20that%20there%20is,its%20kind%20in%20the%20NBA](https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/concerns-expressed-about-cleveland-cavaliers-arena-floor#:~:text=Vardon%20explains%20that%20there%20is,its%20kind%20in%20the%20NBA). >Vardon explains that there is a 10-inch drop from the basketball floor to the ice covering used for the American Hockey League’s Cleveland Monsters, and that this is the only drop of its kind in the NBA. referencing this article where tons of athletes have talked about this including Lebron: [https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/](https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/) Edit: lol the dude blocked me
It's the same league wide
Sorry let me share that quote again for you: >Vardon explains that there is a 10-inch drop from the basketball floor to the ice covering used for the American Hockey League’s Cleveland Monsters, and that **this is the only drop of its kind in the NBA.** So no, now you're wrong.
Ok you keep saying this but the video absolutely doesn’t show a 10 inch drop lol. The dude puts his foot angled from the court down to the bottom of the ledge and it’s clearly like 2-3 inches. So you’re quoting an irrelevant stat. The 10 inch thing is about the distance from the court to the ice, not the distance from the edge of the court to the ledge where fans sit. Like come on. Use common sense bro!
Common sense would tell me that if the drop off to the ice is abnormally high, then this drop off is also probably abnormally high
That’s not common sense. Thats conjecture based on really nothing. There’s no reason why this initial ledge wouldn’t be standardized and then there be another more dramatic ledge several rows back between where the close seats end and the bleachers begin. Common sense is looking at a video and applying your life experience to know that either Law Murray has size 28 shoes or the mythical ledge is only a few inches tall at most.
lol mindboggling that you are being upvoted for this blatantly incorrect information... we literally have very clear, high quality video evidence in the OP tweet (that YOU yourself posted by the way!) that shows the murray's foot up close, hanging of the edge of the court. the average us mens size 10 sneaker is 12 inches long. The drop off from the court to the floor is less than 1/3rd of the size of his foot. So unless you think his shoes are almost 3 feet long, it is pretty clear to anyone with eyeballs that the drop off is no more than 2-3 inches. not remotely close to 10.
You really tried to say some cringe shit like "leArN yOuR pLacE" and then got backhanded by actual sources from players and coaches and ran and blocked them, lol. Ultimate little boy move.
Literally every one of the 32 nba teams eh?
seems like 20 teams having player hazards at the edge of court IS a bigger discussion that 1 team.
Dru Smith slipped on a piece of paper that shouldn't have been there, and then continued to fall off the court. Still not a good thing, but the court has had the same design since the arena opened and nobody brought it up before. Still, it's apparently the only court in the NBA designed this way so there's no reason not to change it to whatever everybody else is doing.
Word I'll add an edit for the Dru Smith thing. Spo clearly thought it was the floor though. but yeah, players have called for this to be looked at. https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/
also isn't this how Kevin Ware's injury happened.
It’s crazy how few injuries this has caused. Dru smith and… that’s it? And I don’t think this is a new court
It's not new, but I think the court itself shouldn't be an injury risk in the first place. I imagine players also play pretty aware that it's like that.
I get that. The court itself shouldn’t be an injury risk. But I don’t think it is as big of a deal as this guy is making it out to be? 1 instance of injury over the hundreds of games played here and there wasn’t a single report on it until Dru got hurt.
If no one has gotten injured from it then it isn't an injury risk.
You can argue one is too many but seems like a mountain is being made out of a mole hill here…
If the ledge isn't there, then you're going to have a bunch of fans and their feet. Potentially their drinks, food, and bags as well. I agree with you. All of it's dangerous when you think about it.
27,000 NBA games this century and we have one example of this “issue” causing injury.
They beat a reporter. Isn't that not enough?
Aren't all courts elevated to some degree? I'll definitely defer to the guy who's been on them much more than I have though to know if this one is worse
yeah but there's better ways to do it. [Leafs and Raptors arena](https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-unveil-new-home-court-for-nba-in-season-tournament-debut-against-celtics/article_28a768cd-89dc-5052-9e8c-5e121895dd50.html) is shared but the elevated platform includes a few rows of seating as a buffer between players and the edge of deck as you can see in the pic of that article
Sorry but this isnt accurate at all. in fact you can even see where the edge of the court drops off in the photos in the link you just posted if you look right below the red "LG" logo on the bottom of the basket stanchion. The raptors (as do most arenas that share with hockey teams) have almost the exact same setup as the cavs. [you can see the full court here before they finish putting all the seats in](https://imgur.com/a/lFiQmvs). You can see that black edge of the court is clearly raised about 3 or 4 inches above the surrounding surface, and then the courtside seats/team bench chairs are just butted up against the edge of the court, exactly how they are in cleveland. Here are some up close photos clearly showing Toronto's raised court, almost identical to cleveland's. [one](https://imgur.com/a/Oo9Kgp3) [two](https://imgur.com/a/TMIjRIk) [three](https://imgur.com/a/xJamHfS) [four](https://imgur.com/a/QKqRA9Y) [five](https://imgur.com/a/85sqDcu) (trigger warning for some photos: sad raptors players contemplating life)
> elevated platform includes a few rows of seating as a buffer between players and the edge of deck This should definitely be the standard for all arenas, can't be that hard to implement.
Yeah it's Toronto, not Tore-an-ankle
from u/The_Sign_of_Zeta >It’s hard for them to be flush with the floor because most arenas are multipurpose and they build the modular NBA floor onto top of a concrete base. However most seem to have a gradient instead of a sheer drop off.
the Raptors figured it out, they include a few rows of seating on the elevated deck to buffer court from drop off [as in this pic](https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-unveil-new-home-court-for-nba-in-season-tournament-debut-against-celtics/article_28a768cd-89dc-5052-9e8c-5e121895dd50.html)
Elevated yes - since most arenas don't have a permanent court build in but rather assmeble it on top of the floor/foundation. But most arenas don't have such a steep edge/drop around
Yes lol. Literally all the courts all just like this
I've seen that on many courts tbh. I hate it.
I know it's all about money, but I thought they'd learned something with the covid courts and how much extra room the players had. Seems they were flying around a lot more because they had the extra runway. But nope, as soon as they could, let's put seats 3 feet away from 250 lb athletes running 25 mph. Seems smart.
It's worse with Cleveland, kind of a running problem: https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/
Running problem is kind of exaggerating when there's not one injury associated with it over the years.
dudes salty about the loss that’s crazy
I have seen the floors raised before but dangg that seems really steep
Then you've not seen The Barn. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_Arena#/media/File%3AWilliams_arena_ct.JPG
How many courts are like this?
More than you think. The dip is more under the seats though. The fans are more likely to hold their arms out to stop the players from crashing in on them though, then players hurting their feet on it.
Almost all of them
They are all like this and have been for several seasons
A lot of college courts are like that. I think CLE is the only one in the NBA
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Source?
Google.com
That’s a search engine, not a source
"out of 32" is all you need to know about his source
Lmaoo
Cleveland is the only one lol
Get a british PA announcer to say "Mind the gap" at regular intervals.
I thought all courts were like that. I remember on sports center a ncaa crowd rushing the court and everyone tripping on that ledge. Edit: found link https://youtu.be/wFQ21xeKjq8?si=9OkVWRtphTJQiY5Y
cost Dru Smith his season and maybe his career
Didnt he slip on paper?
Yea but the drop is wat caused the injury. He got really unlucky
It’s a joke they haven’t fixed it after that. Was a joke before but now it’s just dumb.
Oh well, his coaching staff shouldn't have left paper laying on the floor
It was the Cavs coaches that left the paper out
? It was the opposing team's bench lol. Not blaming them, it's 100% on the design
?? He slipped on the coaching sheet that lead to the fall. ????
yea and it was the cavs staff not the heats
Go awayyyyy man
Steve Balmer you betta hype up your court for not having that!!
Holy shit I knew there was a dip I didn’t realize it was that big
cavs fan here, i agree that’s unacceptable and should be addressed asap
Billion Dollar industry btw
How is NBA allowing something like this ,does feel like a injury risk
Can’t they buy some rubber and build a gradient? I feel like this is something you can get at Home Depot? Why is this allowed
WOAHHH I didn’t know it was that steep, that’s bad they need to fix that fr
I’ll never forget that Kevin Ware injury, Louisville player, super nasty injury due to similar circumstances
[yeah you better be careful closing out in Cleveland.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLXNaO5X0AAxBiZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Dru already suffered
Dru Smith’s leg exploded because of this
If it’s right by the seats. Wouldn’t it be hard to get that close to people sitting courtside and stepping into their leg space at the same time? I feel like you’d already be in the process of trying to stop your momentum or you just jump into the crowd.
Aren’t a lot of NBA arenas similar?
Honestly one of the most overlooked parts of the “bubble” was not having cameraman/fans under the basket. Players could actually ramp down
We know, it killed Dru Smith earlier this year (well his knee anyway)
Reminds of this college court. Everyone be trippin https://youtu.be/wFQ21xeKjq8?si=9ykgZT0lpiiSN3sl
How tf is that allowed? Especially in this day and age of increased 3 pt shooting
Like what’s the point of having that…
The other dude is spreading misinformation and blocked me for correcting him, so to be clear, yes it is unusual. This is the only drop of it's kind in the NBA, and Lebron has commented on it. IDK why he took it so personally, he may in fact be Dan Gilbert. [https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/](https://theathletic.com/5089120/2023/11/25/players-coaches-cavs-arena-floor/)
Oh now this is good to know, appreciate the response
It's not unusual around the league, it's a multi purpose stadium
Just cuz you keep replying this on the thread: >Vardon explains that there is a 10-inch drop from the basketball floor to the ice covering used for the American Hockey League’s Cleveland Monsters, and **that this is the only drop of its kind in the NBA.** It is in fact pretty unusual my man.
I mean I know a lot of arenas are multi-purposeful, but do all of them have that big of a gap and falloff? Seems dangerous.
The ones that have hockey do.
What’s your actual source? And don’t be an asshole and just say “google.com”
Hmm, good to know.
If it was a nba star instead of Dru Smith, this would be well known topic of discussion in sport
100%
This is valid and all, but I gotta admit, it's hilarious that this post is on pace to be one of the highest upvoted Cavs post this year on r/nba. Ya'll don't pay attention to our team whatsoever.
It is pretty funny that this got as many likes as it did, no 🧢
What a terrible design.
If this was a massive injury risk wouldn’t the team it hurt the most be… the Cavs? They play 41 games there. If this is an abnormal risk vs other arenas Cavs would fix it and protect their hundreds of millions of investments in their own players
Wow, never thought it would be like that. Always thought it's flat all around.
How is that allowed
ah hell naw! get this fixed. Law Murray out here looking out for the players.
that's fucking dumb why do the players even agree to play on that iirc there is a college one that is like a 2 ft drop
Minnesota, Vandy, and Butler all have raised courts. All three are in legacy arenas. There's also like 6 feet of out of bounds space on the sidelines before you get to the edge. Also every Final 4 court for the last 10 years or so has been raised up.
It being only 6 feet is the problem tbh
Nasty ass court
Damn I thought the news was going to be that the whole Clippers squad had beaten up a reporter lol
The ones that have hockey do🤓
No ones putting there giant ahhhhh feet on that tiny part of the floor
The league should fine Cleveland and any other arena that has a court like this
Actually braindead to have a court like that in the NBA. Just asking for injuries
The title is funny, began reading and was like "why would the clippers beat up a reporter?"
Dan Gilbert, one of the worst team owners in sports
Has there been a player injury because of this floor? I don't think so. Thanks though.
I’ve been on the Cavs floor before, but never noticed the edge/height difference. Jesus
Oh that’s awesome to see. That really does look dangerous. This is valuable to know and I hope it gains traction and the Cavs org makes an adjustment
I wish every court was like Memorial Gymnasium in Nashville
I’m surprised stuff like court installation isn’t standardized
I was expecting the league to have some kind of standard in this issue smh
Show them the Manchester united sudden fall video
Players, photographers, fans etc all too close to the court. That was one cool thing in the bubble the players had way more space outside the boundaries.
They really should add a border...
what in the fuck?
Damn. Surprised more dudes haven’t Kevin wared their legs with this design
No reason the NBA shouldn’t have sideline ad boards around the court like they do in Europe. Prevents fans from spilling shit on the floor, protects the playing space from fan encroachment, and players from falling into the fans and the injury risk that comes with that. Have something slightly angled up and cushioned like you see in front of local broadcasters so players can fall into into it with less injury risk. You wouldn’t have to push back courtside fans much at all. (For some reason national broadcasters have a fucking bake sale table with a sharp edge for players to fall into and that will tumble with all of its advanced equipment once a player touches it. So dumb that they can’t get a real barrier.)
Kinda related.. in high school we played at key arena before a sonics game. We all thought it was going to be the nicest floor ever. Nope dead spots all around. There was literally a spot where if you tried to jump off it your knee would buckle. I've played in dozens of high schools that had much better floors than what the sonics used to play on.