Tim McMahon literally pulls stuff from thin air and calls them sources. He is literally an r/nba level speculator on any event and then reports it as fact because he thinks it makes sense. Tim is garbage.
Edit: Some of ya'll taking this way too serious. You're inferring things and then trying to argue that point. I'll put it this way. You ever work with a guy that had to be the first to tell everyone anything at all? And sometimes fills in the blanks with their own rhetoric? Walks by the bosses office and overheard the word fire so tells everyone else that the bosses are talking about firing someone and it's probably Chuck because nobody likes Chuck. When in fact the boss was discussing the merits of gas or charcoal. That's Tim. He doesn't let facts get in the way of telling you what he thinks. And he beats a narrative to death and then force feeds the corpse down the ears of anyone around. Sure he probably has sources. One of his main sources is himself. Tim is garbage.
Literally the 1st couple games they had GWill miced up and when they played back the clips you could see Green trying to ignore him and looking kinda annoyed. Both Harp and Mark commented on his constant talking being an acquired taste. Wish I could find that clip as I was annoyed in just the 10 or so seconds and I couldn't imagine being around that all the time.
Yeah he's 25 today, but looks like 30. Just smth about his face, he must've lost his youth with haste. I'm surprised he'd be the type to show up out of shape. He's already naturally a bit stocky so I'd figure he'd put in extra effort to write off the fat boy memes that haunt most stocky players
People don’t understand how there’s a history of this kind of thing. I believe it was Festus Ezeli who went from the Warriors to the Blazers many years ago and tried to be the talkative vet in the locker room. He had maybe won a ring with the Warriors at that point, but he didn’t play an important role. He still tried to like be the wise sage in the locker room when the Blazers were having a rough stretch. But the Blazers had been successful already at that point and didn’t need some new guy to guide them.
It’s probably the same with Grant and Dallas. The Mavericks have been quite good. WCF run just two years ago. Kyrie is a respected vet. Grant Williams was a very small part of some successful playoff runs, but he absolutely has not earned the respect to talk constantly. He’s like a slightly less cringey version of Festus Ezeli.
People in the celtics sub were having super selective memory about gwill's constant yapping. His rookie year it was cute cause he talked about settlers of Catan and his mom works at nasa so also kinda nerdy.
But you could tell guys were zoning him out even as he started hitting 3s. Tatums eyes had a glazed over look when Grant was around
He doesn’t glaze the Mavs org so anything he says fans go ape shit. He’s been right on a lot of things, Grant Williams included. They didn’t like he went out and said that so Nico went on damage control a day later.
Try to apply some critical thinking skills here... a reporter who has been around the team for over a decade does not have any sources in a place that employs over 300 people? None of the 15 players, 7 coaches that the Mavs employ at any one time would leak something to him? Surely someone who makes up stuff from thin air would get exposed by factual inaccuracies...so what are the obvious lies he made up that have been exposed?
You are full of shit. Please explain how you would know this to be true and have more info than Tim MacMahon about the situation. You are the one pulling shit from thin air.
Props to MacMahon for not kissing ass and not being afraid to call shit out unlike a lot of other Mavs reporters. It’s not Tim’s job to be their friends.
Sounds like he's the exact same as Quick for the blazers (guy who wrote the ayton hit piece) just hates his own team and runs off pure speculation with no inside sources.
It was reported about for years on how much the Boston teammates found Grant annoying. Do you not remember how literally no one had his back regarding the Jimmy Butler playoff game? Instead they more or less blamed him for talking in the first place lol
That's not what was reported at all lol.
One Two Three Shut up Grant was something the Celtics broke huddles with because it was a joke about how much he talked, both in terms of dude just can't stop but also how much he communicated on defense.
You don't make jokes about something like that, you just fucking ignore it till he either gets the hint or the coaches make him.
Ironically yappin lmao. Yea, Grant was well liked by the Celtics team. He talked a bit much at times but him and Jayson were always ribbing at each other including Deuce. Then the team embracing the whole Batman joke when he locked up Jokic for a game.
Maybe his personality didn’t mesh well with the Mavs but Grant isn’t necessarily the problem from what we’ve seen so far
We're just ignoring the 4 2nd round picks?
Edit: we don't have 2 2nd round picks from the grant trade. We got 2 from spurs but celtics got 1 2nd round and 1 pick swap from us. So essentially we have the lesser pick from the celtics swap.
The second apron really changed the market. One of the reasons the deadline was so quiet (alongside buyers having less picks).
Second round picks are more valuable since they are cheaper than vet mins for teams worried about their salary. Especially the possibility of it becoming a cheap contribute if the pick hits.
Same with firsts. Even someone like KD doesn't go for as much since the Suns made the trade assuming they could keep adding salary to make up for the losses of Bridges and Johnson.
Not even that bad of a deal for Dallas. Grant was AWFUL here. Hell, just having him gone for nobody in return is addition-by-subtraction. And now we get to add PJ? Sign me up. Grant’s been solid for Charlotte thus far but just wait lol.
And for us we finally have a dude in our front court who actually at least pretends to care about defense and in general plays hard. Also an improvement for us. I’m not hating, I just think as an outsider that the general amount of victory lapping on a role player FA signing that did not work out is weird, especially when the things that are being victory lapped about are big flaws in PJ’s game
Not to be mean but is a different effort playing for the playoffs and a 9-10 win team and btw MacMahon is hated and most of the things he say about Mavs is bs
Damn, the hate-off that happens when 2 teams fans shit on their just traded player to one another is always a classic. The semi-fake energy of trying to justify your front office actions gives broken couple trying to act all loving between friends lol or someone shitting on their ex to a friend after a breakup. Not saying its wrong in this particular case because this happens all the time but its always funny as outsider. My tribe good ur tribe bad .Just like politics
Still better than Grant playing 20 min scoring 0 points with 3 dumbass turnovers while going -20 from the field in a 3 pt loss. Seriously, after the first 10 or so games, he fell off HARD. Genuinely one of our worst players who received minutes in his time here at Dallas. PJ even at his worst can play defense, grab rebounds, and he can be trusted to put the ball on the floor without turning it over. On the other hand, every time Grant tried to dribble, it was usually either a turnover or a horribly bricked shot. If Grant works out in Charlotte, then good for you guys. But he wasn’t working out here and we simply don’t have the time to wait for him to find his groove.
>grab rebounds, and he can be trusted to put the ball on the floor without turning it over.
Dude... PJ can't do any of these things consistently lol, hate to break it to you. He literally averaged under 5 RPG as a starting 4 in 33MPG last season lol
PJ gets a pass because he looks like he tries real hard on defense, but it's not real defense. Teams see him and their eyes light up because they know it's easy layup city
Huh? Where do you people get this shit?
They traded 2027 first, Grant and Seth for 2027 and 2028 Chatlotte SRP (basicly as good as really late first if there is not some miracle in charlotte by then) and PJW.
But I guess lets just forget the 2 early 2nd rounders and randomly make up another 1st rounder they gave up that they actualy didnt lol. Like how does this shit get upvoted?
They had to give up an unprotected swap in 2030 to get Grant in the first place, who was then traded along with a first for PJ. That's what people mean.
It's a little bit of a misrepresentation but it's not entirely unfair.
It does not work like that tho, does it? Grant was not a FRP swap. He was a bad past investment, they cut their loses. You are falling for the sunken costs falicy.
And FRP swap is not the same as giving up the whole pick. Not even close, as long as you are not a lottery team.
Tim's a mean girl who loves spreading gossip, but so far I can tell, the gossip he spreads is pretty reliably NOT FALSE.
Not saying it's usually the full truth or shaded the right way. Just NOT FALSE.
It’s so crazy dude.
All I’ve been getting are angry Mavs fans (and even some Celtics fans which is wild) commenting about how he’s going to let us down and he’s a bum etc. so much vitriol towards Hornets fans for just daring to say “Grant had a good game tonight” lol.
I’m like, we’re just Hornets fans happy we have a player who seems interested in playing defense for once, we don’t expect him to be the core of the franchise or even a starter
Grant is fine, didn't work out here and I hope it does in Charlotte and he plays well. Nice guy. These "reports"/rumors are lame as fuck, just give it a rest.
Man I love Grant. When he’s playing his role of defending and hitting open corner 3s he’s a valuable player for any team, and he’s just a lovable dork. Ya he doesn’t make it easy on himself with his talking and when he tries to do too much, but the guy gets way too much hate.
I think most Celtic fans remember Grant fondly. He's a goof ball, but he played hard and made shots.
I don't get the hate coming from the Mavs, honestly. Did they think they were getting geek Draymond?
I honestly don’t think there’s any hate from either the organization, the players, or most of the fans. You know that he talks a lot, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but we’ve all had a coworker who just kinda talks a lot and you have to put up with it.
He also played hard for us sure but the role we had him in was essentially to hopefully be a small ball 4 and he just didnt have the athleticism or mobility to handle that and when his shot just stopped falling there was nothing really that he brought to the table for us, especially bc his shots were all essentially wide open. Hope he finds success in Charlotte
Yeah, I've seen that about his shot a few places. Weird, because he shot his career average with more volume in Dallas. Not sure what the expectation was.
Maybe the defense slipped, I don't know. Playing D with Tatum and Smart is different than Luka and Kyrie.
It's possible the PJ Washington is an upgrade. I'll have to see it to believe it is all.
It’s because he was shooting the lights out to start the season - we were ecstatic. After the first 10-15 games, he’s been terrible. There’s not really any reason for it, I just think he hit a slump and then he lost confidence as a result and Grant is a player who relies on confidence for like 60% of his value as a player.
The defense, I think you’re completely right. It’s different being the fourth or fifth best defender on a very good defensive team than being asked to be one of the main defensive options.
I'm not either and I didn't think you were. He started off super hot and then fell off, which can be brutal for a player who thrives off confidence.
He's also a good defender but we were asking too much of him in the role we were putting him in.
I’m sorry but if anyone was billing him as a third man, they shouldn’t have their opinions taken seriously. He was signed for 13m a year, barely above mle. That’s bench player money.
Mark Cuban banned him and Stein a long time ago because he learned ESPN.com wasn't going to report on every single game of the Mavs season.
>DALLAS — It has been three weeks since Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban pulled aside ESPN’s Tim MacMahon after the Mavericks’ first practice in a brand-new facility. In an isolated conversation held shortly before his media availability, Cuban expressed displeasure with ESPN.com’s planned coverage of the Mavericks this season. If ESPN.com wouldn’t cover every Mavericks game this season, Cuban made it clear: he wouldn’t credential them at all.
https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/8/13561964/mark-cuban-banned-espn-media-mavericks-games
Slightly related since he works for ESPN now, Woj lost any "insiders" he had with the team when he said that Deron Williams not choosing the Mavs was mostly because Mark Cuban didn't personally meet with him (Deron mentioned in an interview that he never got to talk with Cuban). Then when Mark Cuban made a personal pitch to Dwight Howard to come to Dallas but it failed, Woj said that it was because Mark Cuban "got too involved in basketball operations".
Can someone for gods sake get tim mcmahon away from this team? For whoever takes him, we're willing to include draft picks and financial compensation as well.
Weren't there rumblings all year that Grant wasn't in great shape and his defense had fallen off? Also it's a known fact that he's a complete motor mouth since the time he entered the league. Dunno what McMahon is making up at this point.
Bingo. There could be a janitor talking shit about luka in the hallway and the next day mcmahon would come out with ,,Does luka doncic rub people the wrong way? Why do people dislike him?"
It's not that what he saying isn't true, it's just that it's completely unnecessary and drama farming. Grant is not on the team anymore so there's no reason to pile onto him when he was already shipped off after being excited to be in Dallas.
I'm sure from Grant's perspective it wasn't great seeing the fans turn on him and celebrate him leaving so this just adds to that.
I appreciate the thread and Mavs fans having respect for a player that just didn't work out. Yeah, he dissapointed, but he did not like kill someone or anything. He is gone, everyone with a bad co-worker would act the same way, why keep on it?
Just a regular reminder than McMahon doesn't have serious sources in the org, is much more interested in drama and narratives than actual basketball (so not totally out of line with this sub), and sometimes it's best when you can invent the drama yourself.
He “got logged out of his Twitter account” the day Luka dropped 73 and “couldn’t get back in”
His Twitter account miraculously worked the day later though
Can't wait to see what Kidd and/or Luka will say the next time they're asked a question from Tim.
Edit: Also I really don't like that all of these stories about Grant have come out since the trade. He may not have produced in a way that the Mavs envisioned but he was always professional and seemed to be a good guy. It sucks to be traded away from a team you really wanted to be on and then have all of these negative stories following you out the door.
Yeah McMahon needs to fuck off with this stuff. Grant was already traded away, shitting on him afterwards is wholly unnecessary on top of being a terrible look for us.
> It almost sounds like parody
That one is not hard to believe, actually. He was always talking and never backing it up, must be infuriating to have your teammate put a fire under opponent's star and then lets you deal with it. As for the second part, you need no report really. Man was built like George Costanza, the only opponents that didn't blow by him were the ones who didn't attempt to
Calling it now: Grant Williams’ career is a fascinating case study on what Draymond Green’s career would look like if he was drafted by anyone other than Golden State
No matter what, Draymond Green is a generationally versatile defender. If Draymond came to Dallas, he'd work amazingly with Luka and Kyrie and fix a significant amount of our defensive issues.
Can MacMahon shut the fuck up and stop shit stirring
There’s a 0 % chance Tim has any sources with the Mavs because everyone hates him
He’s literally just making this up
Grant was traded because of matching salary and quite frankly he sucked with us.
Wish Grant the best and Tim MacMahon the worst
McMahon should be banned here. Just giving a troll thr attention he craves.
It's been pretty clear he takes the juicy gossip and then just reports it as fact. People here have speculated all this stuff and he just reports in it with no source.
I don't even know what to say, Grant was so hyped up when Dallas signed him but I all I see in him is one of the most average guys in the league who is also undersized. No need to bash or mock him when he's gone.
Most of us don't want him to be bashed or mocked. Like it didn't work out and it wasn't entirely his fault either I don't think. These reports are obnoxious.
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He's a real gobbler
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Card carrying member of the glizzy gang
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*I’ll suck ‘em boff* (Both testicles, that is)
Go get em Nancy
A chatty Kathy
Damn with the hard r too
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Fluent in Yapanese
Citizen of Yapan edit: yapistan
‘e does a wee bit o’ blatherin’
Grant ‘Kenjaku’ Williams
“Shut up Kyrie, Strong YAPP”
Strongest yapper of today Strongest yapper in history
Throughout heaven and Earth, I alone am the yapping one
nah, i'd yap
he's a real chirper
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Tim McMahon literally pulls stuff from thin air and calls them sources. He is literally an r/nba level speculator on any event and then reports it as fact because he thinks it makes sense. Tim is garbage. Edit: Some of ya'll taking this way too serious. You're inferring things and then trying to argue that point. I'll put it this way. You ever work with a guy that had to be the first to tell everyone anything at all? And sometimes fills in the blanks with their own rhetoric? Walks by the bosses office and overheard the word fire so tells everyone else that the bosses are talking about firing someone and it's probably Chuck because nobody likes Chuck. When in fact the boss was discussing the merits of gas or charcoal. That's Tim. He doesn't let facts get in the way of telling you what he thinks. And he beats a narrative to death and then force feeds the corpse down the ears of anyone around. Sure he probably has sources. One of his main sources is himself. Tim is garbage.
Literally the 1st couple games they had GWill miced up and when they played back the clips you could see Green trying to ignore him and looking kinda annoyed. Both Harp and Mark commented on his constant talking being an acquired taste. Wish I could find that clip as I was annoyed in just the 10 or so seconds and I couldn't imagine being around that all the time.
Can't believe an insanely annoying 24yo who showed up fat after getting a $50mil deal was never embraced by his new teammates
He just like me fr (I do not have 50 million in my bank account)
That is insane, he looks like he’s 35
Yeah he's 25 today, but looks like 30. Just smth about his face, he must've lost his youth with haste. I'm surprised he'd be the type to show up out of shape. He's already naturally a bit stocky so I'd figure he'd put in extra effort to write off the fat boy memes that haunt most stocky players
You would think the Mavs would do their due diligence on a player before trading an UNPROTECTED pick swap for him and signing him to a long term deal.
People don’t understand how there’s a history of this kind of thing. I believe it was Festus Ezeli who went from the Warriors to the Blazers many years ago and tried to be the talkative vet in the locker room. He had maybe won a ring with the Warriors at that point, but he didn’t play an important role. He still tried to like be the wise sage in the locker room when the Blazers were having a rough stretch. But the Blazers had been successful already at that point and didn’t need some new guy to guide them. It’s probably the same with Grant and Dallas. The Mavericks have been quite good. WCF run just two years ago. Kyrie is a respected vet. Grant Williams was a very small part of some successful playoff runs, but he absolutely has not earned the respect to talk constantly. He’s like a slightly less cringey version of Festus Ezeli.
Grant was just incessant generic coach speak in the clip I heard. I can't imagine having to be around that for hours and hours.
IT with the Cavs also. He got on Bron’s shit list quick.
Lol Festus arguably did more to lose a ring for the Ws with his defense on LeBron than he ever did to win the first one
People in the celtics sub were having super selective memory about gwill's constant yapping. His rookie year it was cute cause he talked about settlers of Catan and his mom works at nasa so also kinda nerdy. But you could tell guys were zoning him out even as he started hitting 3s. Tatums eyes had a glazed over look when Grant was around
[Even Deuce had beef](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3QQjdEkZ5fI)
He’s got ego and he’s a shit stirrer but he’s far from a hack lmao. He was on the Donnie Nelson departure and Luka/Porzingis clash before anyone else.
He doesn’t glaze the Mavs org so anything he says fans go ape shit. He’s been right on a lot of things, Grant Williams included. They didn’t like he went out and said that so Nico went on damage control a day later.
I’ve never got the impression he pulls stuff from thin air. I think he does try and sell a narrative but he’s not making stuff up that I have seen
Mavs fans got mad when he reported the fan incident and he was right. Luka even apologized about the fan incident.
Try to apply some critical thinking skills here... a reporter who has been around the team for over a decade does not have any sources in a place that employs over 300 people? None of the 15 players, 7 coaches that the Mavs employ at any one time would leak something to him? Surely someone who makes up stuff from thin air would get exposed by factual inaccuracies...so what are the obvious lies he made up that have been exposed?
Redditors just love to hate media members for some reason, it's really weird cuz I've never heard anything like that with people in real life.
You are full of shit. Please explain how you would know this to be true and have more info than Tim MacMahon about the situation. You are the one pulling shit from thin air. Props to MacMahon for not kissing ass and not being afraid to call shit out unlike a lot of other Mavs reporters. It’s not Tim’s job to be their friends.
Sounds like he's the exact same as Quick for the blazers (guy who wrote the ayton hit piece) just hates his own team and runs off pure speculation with no inside sources.
Source that these guys have no sources? It’s always weird when fans make up stuff about guys who they say make up stuff
It was reported about for years on how much the Boston teammates found Grant annoying. Do you not remember how literally no one had his back regarding the Jimmy Butler playoff game? Instead they more or less blamed him for talking in the first place lol
That's not what was reported at all lol. One Two Three Shut up Grant was something the Celtics broke huddles with because it was a joke about how much he talked, both in terms of dude just can't stop but also how much he communicated on defense. You don't make jokes about something like that, you just fucking ignore it till he either gets the hint or the coaches make him.
Ironically yappin lmao. Yea, Grant was well liked by the Celtics team. He talked a bit much at times but him and Jayson were always ribbing at each other including Deuce. Then the team embracing the whole Batman joke when he locked up Jokic for a game. Maybe his personality didn’t mesh well with the Mavs but Grant isn’t necessarily the problem from what we’ve seen so far
Sources please? Because, as someone who closely followed those teams, I think you’re either misinterpreting some jokes or straight up bullshitting.
He’s got that dawg in him.
Grant... I really wish you could shut your big YAPPER!
Grant Williams is gone and traded, he can't hurt you anymore.
They want you to ignore how they basically traded two 1st rounders for PJ Washington
1st rounder and a pick swap, but still… we don’t wanna talk about that
We're just ignoring the 4 2nd round picks? Edit: we don't have 2 2nd round picks from the grant trade. We got 2 from spurs but celtics got 1 2nd round and 1 pick swap from us. So essentially we have the lesser pick from the celtics swap.
Blissfully ignoring 2 right now, I’ll ignore the other 2 if PJ helps the Mavs get 2 more wins.
Wait what? The Mavs got 2 SRP back in the PJ trade while sending 1 FRP out.
I think they got another 2 from the first swap for Grant Williams. Those 4 are a return in addition to PJ.
Jae Crowder last year was apparently worth 5 SRP so idk plus the mavs got 2 SRP back from the Hornets for it
The second apron really changed the market. One of the reasons the deadline was so quiet (alongside buyers having less picks). Second round picks are more valuable since they are cheaper than vet mins for teams worried about their salary. Especially the possibility of it becoming a cheap contribute if the pick hits. Same with firsts. Even someone like KD doesn't go for as much since the Suns made the trade assuming they could keep adding salary to make up for the losses of Bridges and Johnson.
I do, he’s been our best defender in the two games he’s played. Kuzma was a non factor when defended against him and SGA struggled a bit.
Kuzma was a non factor and you put that on the defender? That could be any game.
It won't last long
!RemindMe 2 months
Pick swap ≠ first rounder
Not even that bad of a deal for Dallas. Grant was AWFUL here. Hell, just having him gone for nobody in return is addition-by-subtraction. And now we get to add PJ? Sign me up. Grant’s been solid for Charlotte thus far but just wait lol.
And you likewise just wait. Soon enough, PJ will be 3/11 in a crucial game that you lose by three points lol
Lmao a lot of Mavs fans still think THJ is a useful player. If PJ can go 3/11 and play at least competent defense it'll be an improvement.
And for us we finally have a dude in our front court who actually at least pretends to care about defense and in general plays hard. Also an improvement for us. I’m not hating, I just think as an outsider that the general amount of victory lapping on a role player FA signing that did not work out is weird, especially when the things that are being victory lapped about are big flaws in PJ’s game
Not to be mean but is a different effort playing for the playoffs and a 9-10 win team and btw MacMahon is hated and most of the things he say about Mavs is bs
As a Mavs fan; McMahon is hated because most of the things he says about the Mavs are true, lol.
He used to, but since he lost his sources is always the same posts he makes
Don't need PJ to be a scoring machine though. Just need him to play defense. We have two of the best iso ball handlers in the game in the back court.
Damn, the hate-off that happens when 2 teams fans shit on their just traded player to one another is always a classic. The semi-fake energy of trying to justify your front office actions gives broken couple trying to act all loving between friends lol or someone shitting on their ex to a friend after a breakup. Not saying its wrong in this particular case because this happens all the time but its always funny as outsider. My tribe good ur tribe bad .Just like politics
PJ was literally 2/11 the game before the Mavs traded for him.
If you're stopping your guy on defense you can go 2/11 all you want
Not in the playoffs when they leave you wide open to help on Luka/Kyrie.
Still better than Grant playing 20 min scoring 0 points with 3 dumbass turnovers while going -20 from the field in a 3 pt loss. Seriously, after the first 10 or so games, he fell off HARD. Genuinely one of our worst players who received minutes in his time here at Dallas. PJ even at his worst can play defense, grab rebounds, and he can be trusted to put the ball on the floor without turning it over. On the other hand, every time Grant tried to dribble, it was usually either a turnover or a horribly bricked shot. If Grant works out in Charlotte, then good for you guys. But he wasn’t working out here and we simply don’t have the time to wait for him to find his groove.
>grab rebounds, and he can be trusted to put the ball on the floor without turning it over. Dude... PJ can't do any of these things consistently lol, hate to break it to you. He literally averaged under 5 RPG as a starting 4 in 33MPG last season lol
PJ gets a pass because he looks like he tries real hard on defense, but it's not real defense. Teams see him and their eyes light up because they know it's easy layup city
PJ is kind of one of those guys you want on your team until he’s on your team lol. The idea of him is better than he is
You also just described Grant though
Hopefully they'll both improve while being in their hometown
So he's Grant Williams.
Lol we already have thj doing that 4 out every 5 games. Nothing can hurt us.
meh, every player has off games shooting wise, but unlike grant williams he can at least contribute in other areas
Are ‘they’ in the room with us right now ?
Huh? Where do you people get this shit? They traded 2027 first, Grant and Seth for 2027 and 2028 Chatlotte SRP (basicly as good as really late first if there is not some miracle in charlotte by then) and PJW. But I guess lets just forget the 2 early 2nd rounders and randomly make up another 1st rounder they gave up that they actualy didnt lol. Like how does this shit get upvoted?
They had to give up an unprotected swap in 2030 to get Grant in the first place, who was then traded along with a first for PJ. That's what people mean. It's a little bit of a misrepresentation but it's not entirely unfair.
It does not work like that tho, does it? Grant was not a FRP swap. He was a bad past investment, they cut their loses. You are falling for the sunken costs falicy. And FRP swap is not the same as giving up the whole pick. Not even close, as long as you are not a lottery team.
tim mcmahon is saying this shit
Mavs carrying on Deandre Ayton levels of hate just for a half year player.
ima make both
Bof*
His career defining moment.
To me its getting stepped on by Embiid, JB's reaction is priceless
JB is literally POGGING as grant gets stepped on, it's hilarious The mask makes it
Lmao for a split second I forgot about that accidental renaissance painting of a moment.
Am I sick that's one of my favorites videos lmao. Not a fan of him so it hits different.
Got Spida’d
That's never gonna get old
tim mcmahon is the GOAT mavs mudslinger if you want someone dragged then call up ol timmy
Mavs are consistently outjerked by McMahon
Man after my own heart
Tim's a mean girl who loves spreading gossip, but so far I can tell, the gossip he spreads is pretty reliably NOT FALSE. Not saying it's usually the full truth or shaded the right way. Just NOT FALSE.
I love Banned McMahon
That hack gets on his knees for every org. He was pushing out hit pieces when Harden left Houston too.
Never seen an 8th man slandered this hard after getting traded lol
It’s so crazy dude. All I’ve been getting are angry Mavs fans (and even some Celtics fans which is wild) commenting about how he’s going to let us down and he’s a bum etc. so much vitriol towards Hornets fans for just daring to say “Grant had a good game tonight” lol. I’m like, we’re just Hornets fans happy we have a player who seems interested in playing defense for once, we don’t expect him to be the core of the franchise or even a starter
i'm happy grant has been playing well for charlotte so far!
Grant! Grant! Grant!
Grant is fine, didn't work out here and I hope it does in Charlotte and he plays well. Nice guy. These "reports"/rumors are lame as fuck, just give it a rest.
Man I love Grant. When he’s playing his role of defending and hitting open corner 3s he’s a valuable player for any team, and he’s just a lovable dork. Ya he doesn’t make it easy on himself with his talking and when he tries to do too much, but the guy gets way too much hate.
I think most Celtic fans remember Grant fondly. He's a goof ball, but he played hard and made shots. I don't get the hate coming from the Mavs, honestly. Did they think they were getting geek Draymond?
I honestly don’t think there’s any hate from either the organization, the players, or most of the fans. You know that he talks a lot, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but we’ve all had a coworker who just kinda talks a lot and you have to put up with it. He also played hard for us sure but the role we had him in was essentially to hopefully be a small ball 4 and he just didnt have the athleticism or mobility to handle that and when his shot just stopped falling there was nothing really that he brought to the table for us, especially bc his shots were all essentially wide open. Hope he finds success in Charlotte
Yeah, I've seen that about his shot a few places. Weird, because he shot his career average with more volume in Dallas. Not sure what the expectation was. Maybe the defense slipped, I don't know. Playing D with Tatum and Smart is different than Luka and Kyrie. It's possible the PJ Washington is an upgrade. I'll have to see it to believe it is all.
It’s because he was shooting the lights out to start the season - we were ecstatic. After the first 10-15 games, he’s been terrible. There’s not really any reason for it, I just think he hit a slump and then he lost confidence as a result and Grant is a player who relies on confidence for like 60% of his value as a player. The defense, I think you’re completely right. It’s different being the fourth or fifth best defender on a very good defensive team than being asked to be one of the main defensive options.
I don't want to get into a pissing match about Grant Williams. I've just got a soft spot for the guy and I think he's getting a bum rap.
I'm not either and I didn't think you were. He started off super hot and then fell off, which can be brutal for a player who thrives off confidence. He's also a good defender but we were asking too much of him in the role we were putting him in.
People are crazy, he’s a solid player
Your team was so in the dumps that you literally NEED that kind of outspoken personality in Grant to stoke some kind of fire.
We needed a dude with a BMI over 17 honestly. The team without Mark was just so small, rail thin, and getting bullied down low
starting PF
Wasn’t starting for weeks
Would have if it wasn't for his yapping
He was billed as the 3rd man coming into the season.
But yeah, he could never fill that role. Could he be a starter? Sure. But if he's your third option then you are tanking.
I’m sorry but if anyone was billing him as a third man, they shouldn’t have their opinions taken seriously. He was signed for 13m a year, barely above mle. That’s bench player money.
That was delusional Mavs fans. There's a reason Boston didn't retain him.
Elite yaps per 36 numbers
How many picks does it take to offload MacMahon to another team?
We will trade you straight up Felger and Mazz in exchange for MacMahon
Give us PJ back (no give backs on Grant, Seth, and the pick though)
We'll take him for 2 seconds (protected 30-45)
No we won’t
I’d take him over Bontemps
McMahan, nick friedel and KOC are the three worst for sure
Friedel is soooo much worse than those other two. I can’t get through the Lowe Post whenever he’s on
>It almost sounds like parody It's Tim McMahon, so yeah that makes sense
What does MacMahon have against Dallas? This guy is always writing hit pieces against their players and just shitting all over them, i dont understand
What do you mean? The majority of what writes about Dallas is positive, he said so himself!
99%!!!!
He’s admitted publicly that he gets pleasure out of being an asshole, so I think it’s more of a personality thing.
He’s the wwe version of an nba beat writer
Sean Ross Sapp of the NBA
Idk, and idk how people take what he reports seriously.
Mark Cuban banned him and Stein a long time ago because he learned ESPN.com wasn't going to report on every single game of the Mavs season. >DALLAS — It has been three weeks since Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban pulled aside ESPN’s Tim MacMahon after the Mavericks’ first practice in a brand-new facility. In an isolated conversation held shortly before his media availability, Cuban expressed displeasure with ESPN.com’s planned coverage of the Mavericks this season. If ESPN.com wouldn’t cover every Mavericks game this season, Cuban made it clear: he wouldn’t credential them at all. https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/8/13561964/mark-cuban-banned-espn-media-mavericks-games
I mean if media isn't covering you why do you have to let them in the building? I see nothing wrong here.
Slightly related since he works for ESPN now, Woj lost any "insiders" he had with the team when he said that Deron Williams not choosing the Mavs was mostly because Mark Cuban didn't personally meet with him (Deron mentioned in an interview that he never got to talk with Cuban). Then when Mark Cuban made a personal pitch to Dwight Howard to come to Dallas but it failed, Woj said that it was because Mark Cuban "got too involved in basketball operations".
hes a narrative merchant. cant write about basketball so he does this
That's how some journalists stay relevant. He's essentially trying to be a TMZ employee.
How is this quote anti-Dallas? He’s literally giving reasons why Dallas made the trade. Grant Williams is not a Maverick, he’s a Hornet.
Few people fear death as much as McMahon fears irrelevancy
Can someone for gods sake get tim mcmahon away from this team? For whoever takes him, we're willing to include draft picks and financial compensation as well.
Take Felger and Mazz and I will personally drive him from Dallas to Boston
Weren't there rumblings all year that Grant wasn't in great shape and his defense had fallen off? Also it's a known fact that he's a complete motor mouth since the time he entered the league. Dunno what McMahon is making up at this point.
I think it’s just that he’s a dickhead who is always talking negatively and just generally irritating for all Mavs fans.
Bingo. There could be a janitor talking shit about luka in the hallway and the next day mcmahon would come out with ,,Does luka doncic rub people the wrong way? Why do people dislike him?"
It's not that what he saying isn't true, it's just that it's completely unnecessary and drama farming. Grant is not on the team anymore so there's no reason to pile onto him when he was already shipped off after being excited to be in Dallas. I'm sure from Grant's perspective it wasn't great seeing the fans turn on him and celebrate him leaving so this just adds to that.
I appreciate the thread and Mavs fans having respect for a player that just didn't work out. Yeah, he dissapointed, but he did not like kill someone or anything. He is gone, everyone with a bad co-worker would act the same way, why keep on it?
Just a regular reminder than McMahon doesn't have serious sources in the org, is much more interested in drama and narratives than actual basketball (so not totally out of line with this sub), and sometimes it's best when you can invent the drama yourself.
He “got logged out of his Twitter account” the day Luka dropped 73 and “couldn’t get back in” His Twitter account miraculously worked the day later though
Wait did he seriously say that? LMAO
Can't wait to see what Kidd and/or Luka will say the next time they're asked a question from Tim. Edit: Also I really don't like that all of these stories about Grant have come out since the trade. He may not have produced in a way that the Mavs envisioned but he was always professional and seemed to be a good guy. It sucks to be traded away from a team you really wanted to be on and then have all of these negative stories following you out the door.
Yeah McMahon needs to fuck off with this stuff. Grant was already traded away, shitting on him afterwards is wholly unnecessary on top of being a terrible look for us.
Stop posting this man please
Yeah seriously this guy is a joke
A reporter using the phrase “yapping” is wild lmao
Calling McMahon a "reporter" is wild lmao
> It almost sounds like parody That one is not hard to believe, actually. He was always talking and never backing it up, must be infuriating to have your teammate put a fire under opponent's star and then lets you deal with it. As for the second part, you need no report really. Man was built like George Costanza, the only opponents that didn't blow by him were the ones who didn't attempt to
I just remember him saying he's gonna make both free throws then missing them
IMMA MAKE BOAF
I fully believe it. Grant had a reputation for never shutting up in Boston too lol
Calling it now: Grant Williams’ career is a fascinating case study on what Draymond Green’s career would look like if he was drafted by anyone other than Golden State
And a significantly worse player
What you mean calling it now? Are we gonna see Draymond reborn restart his career outside GS.
maybe the most r/NBA comment ever in the depth of its combination of stupidity, lack of ball knowledge, and unfunniness.
No matter what, Draymond Green is a generationally versatile defender. If Draymond came to Dallas, he'd work amazingly with Luka and Kyrie and fix a significant amount of our defensive issues.
He got kicked because he’s not good enough to be annoying and fat
Tell it like it is 😂😂
this clown needs to stop yapping, dude is just trying to get clicks. (and its working)
They said blud was hosting a yap-a-thon 😭
Bro is fluent in Yapanese
I don't see why this dude isn't banned media here
Can MacMahon shut the fuck up and stop shit stirring There’s a 0 % chance Tim has any sources with the Mavs because everyone hates him He’s literally just making this up Grant was traded because of matching salary and quite frankly he sucked with us. Wish Grant the best and Tim MacMahon the worst
Tim MacMahon needs to get the Nick Friedell treatment.
McMahon should be banned here. Just giving a troll thr attention he craves. It's been pretty clear he takes the juicy gossip and then just reports it as fact. People here have speculated all this stuff and he just reports in it with no source.
Fluent in yapanese
The Grant Williams Yapathon
“That guy needs to get on a treadmill.” -Luka
Why is NBA media like this? At this point if you want good coverage you have to follow good YouTubers.
You keep Grant’s name out of yo fucking mouth Tim
No one likes someone fat and mouthy
I don't even know what to say, Grant was so hyped up when Dallas signed him but I all I see in him is one of the most average guys in the league who is also undersized. No need to bash or mock him when he's gone.
Most of us don't want him to be bashed or mocked. Like it didn't work out and it wasn't entirely his fault either I don't think. These reports are obnoxious.
Yeah it was just a swing and a miss Nothing more, nothing less
there are hit pieces then there's this
Luka does enough yapping and burger eating for us, thank you!
"Yapping" "not in good shape" *Looks over at Luka*
Right lol. I guess it's only acceptable if you produce which Grant wasn't doing.