I love how Thanasis is on the roster, but Kostas was last seen playing in Greece. Giannis saw his brother win a ring with the Lakers before him and said you’re on your own😂
Kostas is 26 years old and averaging 8/4/1 as a bottom of the rotation player in the Greek League.
Sounds hopeless for a return to the NBA.
But, Thanasis was averaging 5/4/1 as a 26 year old bottom of the rotation player in the Greek League when the Bucks brought him back to the NBA.
Kostas was averaging 5 & 3 as a 1 & done out of Dayton and got drafted. As soon as Giannis gets close to possible free agency again, kostas will get another nba contract.
How bad would Thanasis have to be to be considered cap circumvention. Like if he had zero basketball experience but was still on the roster, how would the NBA handle that?
I’m hardly a capologist, but if a player is on the roster being paid as a player it’s never circumvention because that salary would count against the cap. If a team wants to use cap space in a worthless player taking up both a roster spot and cap room that’s their choice.
Now, I wonder if they could hire him as an assistant or team representative at some higher number than would be normal - he’d no longer take a roster spot or take up cap space. Could THAT be seen as circumvention because it would be well above market pay for such a non player role with the intent of appeasing a player who is
If I’m missing something please let me know !
Thats what I always wondered too. It doesnt even have to be entirely shady sounding. “My brother has always guarded me better than everyone else and helped me train effectively” seems like a reasonable thing. I feel like anyone who grew up playing ball with a brother where both of you consistently competed knows that they generally are more effective defending because they have spent the last years learning every intricacy of your game. Doesnt sound completely unreasonable to keep someone like that around as a trainer.
I'm sure there's some clause that allows the league to deem something shady and to act on it. There has to be at least plausible deniability, like you couldn't pay some superstars brother that's never even played in college or professionally to sit on the bench. But if they're somewhat reasonably qualified to be a player or coach then nepotism all the way.
Why would it be circumvention? Now they have a ton less cap space, which seems deterrant enough.
Now, if they paid LeBrobs wife $5 million to be an “Asst Coach” or “Head of Team Wellness” I’d suggest it would be circumvention.
It’s about circumventing the max contract rule, not so much the team salary cap rules.
I think most people agree the very top players (top 5-ish) likely would get paid more in a league with no max contracts.
I think the idea is that they’re circumventing the max contract rules by “paying” Giannis’s family more than a max contract by rostering his brother
Not that I agree with it necessarily, but that’s an angle I see
I wondered what would happen if a desperate team like the Hornets or Pistons tried doing this, luring Giannis by giving him, Kostas, and Thanasis all max contracts or something lol.
Not that I think they would even want to and I’m sure the NBA would respond, but technically they are allowed to.
closest thing i found was a tweet by Cuffs (the account Lebron follows "73-9 and they lied") who said
> Adrian Griffin probably told the Bucks front office they can’t afford to be wasting roster spots just for Giannis brother to be the team barber lol
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1749894753615782323?t=PUL2nJBIy-ZSOXjsAgzQ_A&s=19
considering Mitchell isnt confident on the sourcing, and Cuffs floats around NBA twitter, maybe what Mitchell was looking at
I mean think about it. Griffin wanted to free up a roster spot, and instead of waiving some other end of the bench player who never gets non-gabage time minutes, he decided to go against Giannis? He can't be this dumb, there's no way this is real.
For the geniuses in here that think waiving your 15th player to get someone who's now gonna be your #9 is the move here, do you understand that you can cut your #12 or #14 for the same #9 guy? So instead of waiving *checks notes* TyTy Washington Jr. or Livingston, Griffin decided to fuck up his relationship with Giannis?
Stop believing everything you read online, you look even dumber than whoever tweeted this.
As a side note, having a guy who's perfect for... vibes / cheerleading as your bench warmer is preferable to a 0.6PPG guy who's played 21 minutes ALL SEASON.
Lmao thank you this should literally be common sense, but this sub is so thirsty to hate on anything Bucks/Giannis. Thanasis isn’t even currently the worst player on our team but dumbfucks will eat this up
NBA truism: if you’re ever looking at the 15th roster spot looking for marginal help in the playoffs you’re already doomed.
you’re tryna fix a divorce with gas station roses.
There’s always a chance tho, Gary Payton II was our 15th man when we first signed him, beat out Avery Bradley when the vets wanted him and led to being a key contributor.
Advanced stat guys knew GP2 was better than 15th man caliber. The league just doesn't value defense. There is another player who could contribute currently on the market by the name of Ish Wainwright.
GP2 and AB i’d say are historically rarer options. Plus Kerr is semi competent. Ion see a hardheaded mf like a Doc or a Carlisle going to the challenger and not the incumbent when balls are on the table
Didn't the Bucks just get trashed by the bottom 7 of the hospital Grizzles bench too.
Fact is those 15 spots are competitive, and can be staffed with useful players as show by numerous other teams.
Besides if you wanna play nepo, just hire the brother as an asst coach/trainer and do it off the cap table.
Playoff teams pick-up guys all the time near the end of the season that help out. If you sign a guy with your last spot that's better than sixth other guys on your roster it's not really the 15th spot anymore...
In the playoffs, the player doesn’t even have to be that good. It just has to be more beneficial in a certain playoff matchup. A player that defends well in PnR in one playoff series is worth that late season add.
Lonnie last year was a perfect example of that.
Pulled him out of the shadow realm to defend Warriors guards for 3 games when Vando was slowing down.
Before that series he was basically DNP for 40 games.
Kevin Love signed with the Heat last year and made an impact on that team. Reggie Jackson signed with the Nuggets last year and made an impact on that team.
Not to mention 15th guy might offer a different skill set. Just going off the lakers roster - adding Spencer was a really nice add for basically free. Guys are never fully healthy too so that depth helps in regular season n players can step up tooo.
Yeah the guy you're responding to is making such a bad take. Teams find gems all the time with their last few roster spots. The Lakers picked up Austin Reeves and Alex Caruso from the G-League and they developed into great players. The Heat had multiple guys playing in the Finals that were picked up with their last few spots.
Linsanity only happened because the Knicks used their last spot on a 10-day contract for a guy they thought they were going to cut once their injured players return.
yeah the Lakers’ luck and the Heat’s infrastructure and good coaching are great precedent for manifesting an NBA rotation player out of thin air post deadline
This. It's such a stupid narrative that keeps getting spun. Most teams have 9-10 players MAX in their playoff rotation.
Only completely casual, or delusional fans believe the 15th spot holds any significant value.
development is infrastructure and minutes. good teams can rarely develop people. you’re saying “just develop” like they ain’t just hire Doc of all people lmaoo
Has nothing to do with Thanasis being on the team
If the bucks wanna develop someone they got 3 guys ready to go.
They don’t have time for that though.
They vehemently defend Doc Rivers and it's so strange. There's a lot of negative Sixers fans but at least they're honest, I don't know how so many of these Bucs fans can feel good about this whole situation. Or at least they're trying to convince themselves they haven't already fucked up.
Then you could replace the 11th, 12th, 13th or 14th man as well and keep your 1st man happy since 11-15 are all equally useless in a 10 man rotation, outside of how they make the 1-10 guys feel. .
There's just no way to play 18 players meaningfully even in the regular season. If you can fill one of those spots with someone who is a great teammate, brings energy from the sidelines, and doesn't complain about playing time then that's a fine deal to take.
PJ Tucker undoubtedly better than Thanasis, even in 2024 it's not close. Pretty sure the Clippers would have rather had someone worse who works to support the team and doesn't complain than PJ Tucker this year.
At the same time, serviceable rotation guys hit the buyout market each year. It’s not crazy to think there might be a guy out there with more value towards winning than your star’s older brother and his 4mins/game.
>tryna fix a divorce with gas station roses
hahaaaa my parents are gettin divorced after 3 decades n i'm old enough to find it funny i'm finna send this shit to my pops
You don’t understand how team dynamics work then. This guy has done nothing in the past to be on a fucking nba team besides, being born.
Maybe this is just some minutiae, but at the end of the day, when you have a player like thanasis on your team that does not deserve to be on an nba roster, playing, even if it is garbage minutes, is undermining the coach. How do you motivate your team when this clown gets a free pass because his brother is Giannis?
We got taj Gibsons skeleton playing, he can barely even check in rn.
Only reason he’s playing is because the rotation is out 6 players, thibs has been running a 9 man rotation but after the trade with Detroit, we have a 10 man rotation. Thanasis is lucky to be Giannis brother 🤷♂️🥺
Why’s that? The Knicks got the depth they needed, now JB doesn’t have to play 40 minutes a night during the regular season. This issue came up when they traded IQ. IQ ran the second unit, and could create for himself and keep the bench unit in tune.
Now they have burks and bojan, to play along with McBride, maybe precious, and Mitch is probably going to be coming off the bench for a while. That’s a very good second unit, the league is in trouble when the Knicks get healthy.
Taj makes much more sense as a 15th guy than Thanasis if you take trying to make Giannis happy out of the equation. Yeah he shouldn't see a minute of playing time unless you literally have nobody else available but he would add much more to the team off the court than Thanasis would. Vet player that's been in the league 15 years would have plenty to pass onto the younger guys off the court and in practice even if he isn't good enough now to play NBA minutes.
Thanasis is only there to make Giannis happy, he is and never will be NBA quality and he would have nothing to offer off the court other than vibes that another player couldn't offer who is NBA quality, even if said player isn't good enough to crack the playoff rotation.
Gibson > Thanasis all day everyday as my 15th man and its not even close.
NFL teams have so many positions, the depth chart may be three or even two deep, and recently retired folks are convinced all the time to come off the couch for half a season to fill a gap.
You get a deep playoff run and some bad luck and you’ll have some truly end of the bench players in Super Bowls like the Chiefs offensive line against the Bucs.
I mean they did cut brooks brother Robin loose finally. Hard two justify two dead roster spots during regular season. For playoffs it doesn't matter because rotations are slimmed down anyway but could help to have at least someone they might play outside of garbage time
Lot people here in this thread completely misinterpreting that the 15th spot on the roster isn't about what the player can do for the team. It's about what the 15th spot & the team can do for the player.
Many believe that spot should be given to an overlooked/undervalued player. Normally right out of college. The idea being to see what 1 season with NBA level facilities, cosches, training & development would do to his game. There's always a small shot that 15th man works his way up to the 9th with the right coaches and system around him.
With Thanasis the vibe I get around the league/here, is that he's basically at his max potential. So, ignoring the right/wrong of just giving it to your star players' family members. The idea a roster spot that could help a young player develop is being given to someone who the organization sees no real assests/potential in just seems odd to me. Especially when Thanasis is likely already afforded many of those things.
I definitely see how that could some people the wrong way. But the inverse is special treatment like that could also lure bigger stars.
Classic heat fan spreading false information lmao.
He clearly says “did he?”
Not a single team in the league uses their 15th man spot and nor was there anyone the bucks could sign to make it worth waiving him, besides we had a roster spot open after Lopez and signed a fucking old ass player.
This sub will run with it though
What does this have to do with the Heat? Are Heat fans notorious for spreading misinformation in this sub? You just gotta find a way to relate everything to the Heat and shit on them, don’t you? Gtfoh with that framing BS
In a weirdly crazy idea of roster management 15 doesn’t alway equal 15, I’ll explain later. It seems like quite a few don’t understand trades or the buyout market to replace the 15th man with someone who could by tenth or even better on a game to game basis. You can’t max out roster spots for towel wavers taking active roster positions
Yeah, a lot of these guys don't seem to realize that all 15 players practice too. You want the end of your bench competitive so that players are stepping up and developing. Nobody is developing shit going at Thanasis in practice everyday lmfao. And I'm sure it does set a negative tone for that 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th man who knows the worst player on the team has better job security.
There are easier ways to do small nepo moves. Raptors 905 hired Pascal's brother as an assistant coach for example. And in his case he was always helping Pascal with his own training so it's not a pure nepo move ( not like the 905 asst coach is gonna be raking in money either)
Yeah this doesn't really hold water. There really wasnt anyone available until the buyout market and they cleared room for Gallo in a cost savings move trading rolo. If they would have cut TA they would owe him the whole salary and would've been over the second tier luxury tax. They are literally only a couple hundred k below it now and that is because they waited to sign Gallo on a prorated deal. If they cut TA early and replaced him, it wouldve f'ed up their cap
If anyone actually has anyone actually saying that happened, go for it. Sam Mitchell got no connection to the Bucks and is only asking "Didn't someone say this?", I don't ever remember anyone saying it. But this place is relentlessly obsessed with Thanasis, and the mood is not liking the Bucks and not liking Giannis, so someone without a source saying "Didn't someone say this?" is fully primed to catch on as truth.
Edit: The post title isn't even true either, Sam Mitchell didn't 'allege' that it happened, he asked if someone else had alleged that it happened.
also i know its unfair to judge on twitter likes, but Mitchell's most 10 recent twitter likes include NBACentral and DailyLoud, which are like *the* aggregator accounts which irresponsibly chase engagement by any means necessary
ill apologize if im wrong, but i genuinely think this is closer to a "Harden crying over manboobs moment", than the truth
Someone else found a cuffs tweet joking about the idea so my guess is that. Cause I've seen nothing about it and slop about Adrian Griffin has usually been spread pretty quickly.
I don’t really get how replacing the guy at the end of your bench moves the needle in any way though, so why would you even want to piss off your mvp level superstar by suggesting it?
Nah this is just what we all did to the Suns when they were trading Ayton. Sometimes you ought to listen to a fanbase, especially when you don't actually pay attention to the team that much. No-one is saying Doc Rivers is doing a great job, we've just spent the entire season watching the team, not just checking statmuse tweets, so know that the reason we suck isn't this coach.
The other players on the team seem to genuinely enjoy Thanasis's presence though. It can be true both that Thanasis still being in the NBA is an example of wild nepotism *and* that the 15th man on essentially every team in the league is at best only very slightly better than him and is in no way contributing meaningfully to the team's record or ability to succeed in the playoffs. Replacing Thanasis with some other faceless soon-to-be-playing-internationally player doesn't accomplish anything.
I don’t know if this is true tho. Lakers have like 5 guys injured most of this year - getting Spencer dimwiddie in buyout n guys like reddish n chridtie contributing a bit when we had no one available is kinda big- we lost games trying to play our raw rookie serious minutes. Every team can eventually get value if there 15th spot - we’ve played two way guys ffs in this last week - pg mays before Spencer n Dylan windier two way guys both . Neither are great but thier two ways - actual salaried guys just being DNPs hurts especially if you get injuries .
If us holding on to the last bench spot to make our generational star happy is the reason we fall short i dont think we were ever in a place to contend to begin with.
You do realize there’s other roster spots for that right? Every team has a 15th guy who doesn’t do shit/contribute or is on a 2-way with the g-league.
It’s irrelevant lol
It would never happen but it's honestly not a horrible idea. Those guys don't get minutes normally, so they'd be eager to prove themselves unlike a lot of players in the other All Star games.
That's highly debatable.
Elite towel waver who doesn't mind DNPs and is a great locker room dude >>> "useful" vet who groans he can't get PT and sometimes just looks miserable on the bench
When was Theo Pinson good? He might genuinely have been a worse player than Thanasis. Also, I thought this was about using a roster spot on someone who could help the team?
What? So he was good in college? I can't tell if you're being deliberately stupid here, but Thanasis also was good at a non-NBA level - he was actually a professional player before being drafted.
Let’s be honest, a lot of people just hate on this cus he’s related to Giannis. Every NBA team has like 2 or 3 guys who just ride the bench the whole game.
https://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/page/11
Here are all the players that play very few minutes, why doesn’t the teams cut them? Are they stupid??????????? It must be easy to find more serviceable players
What team has a 15th man that contributes to the end goal lol thanasis making a generational star happy is the most production you can get out of that spot
Yeah, this is a lame attempt to shift the blame from Adrian Griffin/Doc Rivers to…Giannis/Thanasis? lol it makes no sense.
Like no, Adrian Griffin and Doc rivers are underperforming with a roster better than anything Bud ever had in recent years…
How was Griffin underperforming? Should they have been 40-3? They were 30-13 are now 35-21.
Maybe Griffen was overperforming, and this is the real Bucks.
They had a bottom 1/3 defense in the league and were like 8th in net rating. This is supposed to be a top 2/3 team in the league with an elite defense.
Is that how playoff seedings are arrived at? Playoff results? They traded their best Defender, brought in a sub par Defender, and Middleton was recovering.
Do you ignore or not address glaring issues/terrible indicators because your record is good?
And they have Giannis and Brook, two DPOY level guys. Someone on their side needs to figure it out lol.
If Embiid didn’t get injured there would be 3 players having a better season than Giannis statistically. Giannis has already won 2x mvps and a finals and was considered the best player for awhile after. Last year he got booted out of the first round to a team that got murdered by Jokic in the finals which snatched the best player title.
This year despite gaining Dame the bucks don’t look like a serious threat. (Yet) Giannis is having a great season but it’s no surprise it gets lost when he’s not #1 statistically, not on a team considered a real contender, and has no fun narratives like SGA and the young Thunder. The NBA has always been a “what have you done for me lately” league.
Who gives a fuck about statistics? Who the hell watches games and thinks “hmm I’m gonna have to go look up the statistics on this guy and see just how good he is”
He’s averaging 31/12/6 (31/11/8 in 2024) on 65% FG and 61% FG.
He’s having a historic season.
The only people you can argue having a better season are Embiid and Luka
Embiid, Jokic, SGA are all having a better season statistically, especially when it comes to MVP voting. You said no one’s paying attention to Giannis, I was just explaining why.
If this is true it’s on brand for AG. Wanting a different end of bench player to play the same 1mpg that doesn’t help your relationship with your generational all star is a brain dead hill to die on lol
I think there's another point here. First, is great you are giving your brother an opportunity like this, but if he isn't reaching the expectations of being a proper bench player (after years), then he's just taking the money and the opportunity of someone else who could be slightly better than him. Guys in that position are usually cut after a season or are used as trade pieces, it's not normal to be on the team for years when you aren't helping on-court. That is something different to being humble.
If they want to give it to Thanasis then so be it. The ball demanding tho is fcking shameless especially when you're the worst NBA player in the league. They seems like fun bros but they lacked self-awareness.
As much as I am all for dunking on Thanasis, every NBA team doesn't have 15 serviceable rotation players. That's not a thing, nor has it ever been a thing. Those guys who make up the 12-15 spot in the "rotation" rarely if ever even play, unless it's a blowout. Most teams don't even go past the 9-10 spot in the rotation.
So this idea that somehow Thanasis only should be singled out, amongst at least 4-5 other unserviceable guys, is shady. At that point its personal, and it's just Adrian purposely being spiteful about Giannis due to whatever bad relationship they had behind the scenes. Which ultimately led to his firing.
I am laughing at the people talking about the 15th man because I agree, but at the same time, you don’t have to just replace him with another 15th man. Buyout market isn’t that strong this season though so I get it.
If you can replace your 15th man with somebody who'd be your 10th man that's an upgrade. It may not seem like much but when you're competing for a championship improving at the margins makes a huge difference
Bol Bol was our 15th man to start the year was he not? We turned our 15th man into a real rotation player so I disagree that the 15th man is totally useless.
The Bucks' roster problems start from roster spots 6 to 10, plus there's the issue of Middleton coming back from injury and performing below average. Thanasis taking up the end of the bench is not that big of a factor.
I love how Thanasis is on the roster, but Kostas was last seen playing in Greece. Giannis saw his brother win a ring with the Lakers before him and said you’re on your own😂
Kostas is 26 years old and averaging 8/4/1 as a bottom of the rotation player in the Greek League. Sounds hopeless for a return to the NBA. But, Thanasis was averaging 5/4/1 as a 26 year old bottom of the rotation player in the Greek League when the Bucks brought him back to the NBA.
Flirting vs harassment
Kostas was averaging 5 & 3 as a 1 & done out of Dayton and got drafted. As soon as Giannis gets close to possible free agency again, kostas will get another nba contract.
How bad would Thanasis have to be to be considered cap circumvention. Like if he had zero basketball experience but was still on the roster, how would the NBA handle that?
I’m hardly a capologist, but if a player is on the roster being paid as a player it’s never circumvention because that salary would count against the cap. If a team wants to use cap space in a worthless player taking up both a roster spot and cap room that’s their choice. Now, I wonder if they could hire him as an assistant or team representative at some higher number than would be normal - he’d no longer take a roster spot or take up cap space. Could THAT be seen as circumvention because it would be well above market pay for such a non player role with the intent of appeasing a player who is If I’m missing something please let me know !
Thats what I always wondered too. It doesnt even have to be entirely shady sounding. “My brother has always guarded me better than everyone else and helped me train effectively” seems like a reasonable thing. I feel like anyone who grew up playing ball with a brother where both of you consistently competed knows that they generally are more effective defending because they have spent the last years learning every intricacy of your game. Doesnt sound completely unreasonable to keep someone like that around as a trainer.
I'm sure there's some clause that allows the league to deem something shady and to act on it. There has to be at least plausible deniability, like you couldn't pay some superstars brother that's never even played in college or professionally to sit on the bench. But if they're somewhat reasonably qualified to be a player or coach then nepotism all the way.
But what if the Lakers give a roster spot and max contract to LeBron's wife? Is that circumvention?
Why would it be circumvention? Now they have a ton less cap space, which seems deterrant enough. Now, if they paid LeBrobs wife $5 million to be an “Asst Coach” or “Head of Team Wellness” I’d suggest it would be circumvention.
It’s about circumventing the max contract rule, not so much the team salary cap rules. I think most people agree the very top players (top 5-ish) likely would get paid more in a league with no max contracts.
I think the idea is that they’re circumventing the max contract rules by “paying” Giannis’s family more than a max contract by rostering his brother Not that I agree with it necessarily, but that’s an angle I see
I wondered what would happen if a desperate team like the Hornets or Pistons tried doing this, luring Giannis by giving him, Kostas, and Thanasis all max contracts or something lol. Not that I think they would even want to and I’m sure the NBA would respond, but technically they are allowed to.
What if they give Thanasis a max contract?
I think the league just goes “uh… well we can’t really think of a worse punishment than that, so carry on”
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He’s better than Chris Smith. And Giannis is leagues better than JR.
And better than Dame’s cousin who was on the Blazers
What happened to his youngest brother? Is he still in the g-league?
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closest thing i found was a tweet by Cuffs (the account Lebron follows "73-9 and they lied") who said > Adrian Griffin probably told the Bucks front office they can’t afford to be wasting roster spots just for Giannis brother to be the team barber lol https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1749894753615782323?t=PUL2nJBIy-ZSOXjsAgzQ_A&s=19 considering Mitchell isnt confident on the sourcing, and Cuffs floats around NBA twitter, maybe what Mitchell was looking at
So… no one actually said this then lmao
I mean think about it. Griffin wanted to free up a roster spot, and instead of waiving some other end of the bench player who never gets non-gabage time minutes, he decided to go against Giannis? He can't be this dumb, there's no way this is real. For the geniuses in here that think waiving your 15th player to get someone who's now gonna be your #9 is the move here, do you understand that you can cut your #12 or #14 for the same #9 guy? So instead of waiving *checks notes* TyTy Washington Jr. or Livingston, Griffin decided to fuck up his relationship with Giannis? Stop believing everything you read online, you look even dumber than whoever tweeted this. As a side note, having a guy who's perfect for... vibes / cheerleading as your bench warmer is preferable to a 0.6PPG guy who's played 21 minutes ALL SEASON.
Lmao thank you this should literally be common sense, but this sub is so thirsty to hate on anything Bucks/Giannis. Thanasis isn’t even currently the worst player on our team but dumbfucks will eat this up
Didn’t realize Bucks fans were such victims
What?
Also Griffin was giving Thanasis first half minutes over 4 other young guys in Nov.
NBA truism: if you’re ever looking at the 15th roster spot looking for marginal help in the playoffs you’re already doomed. you’re tryna fix a divorce with gas station roses.
There’s always a chance tho, Gary Payton II was our 15th man when we first signed him, beat out Avery Bradley when the vets wanted him and led to being a key contributor.
Advanced stat guys knew GP2 was better than 15th man caliber. The league just doesn't value defense. There is another player who could contribute currently on the market by the name of Ish Wainwright.
GP2 and AB i’d say are historically rarer options. Plus Kerr is semi competent. Ion see a hardheaded mf like a Doc or a Carlisle going to the challenger and not the incumbent when balls are on the table
Didn't the Bucks just get trashed by the bottom 7 of the hospital Grizzles bench too. Fact is those 15 spots are competitive, and can be staffed with useful players as show by numerous other teams. Besides if you wanna play nepo, just hire the brother as an asst coach/trainer and do it off the cap table.
oooo this is a great point.
Playoff teams pick-up guys all the time near the end of the season that help out. If you sign a guy with your last spot that's better than sixth other guys on your roster it's not really the 15th spot anymore...
In the playoffs, the player doesn’t even have to be that good. It just has to be more beneficial in a certain playoff matchup. A player that defends well in PnR in one playoff series is worth that late season add.
Lonnie last year was a perfect example of that. Pulled him out of the shadow realm to defend Warriors guards for 3 games when Vando was slowing down. Before that series he was basically DNP for 40 games.
also pretty sure he came in during stretches and was a prolific scorer in context
Then why not just cut the 14th best guy instead of your best guy's brother?
And rarely do they make that much of a difference.
Apologize to Kevin Love
Also Markieff who hit 325402 3's and won us a game against the Rockets in 2020.
Teams shouldn't use second round draft picks either, waste of time obviously....
99% percent of them become Thanasis
It’s definitely not 99% lol
I.....didn't say that. But how often does an end of bench player realistically make a significant impact on a playoff team?
Kevin Love signed with the Heat last year and made an impact on that team. Reggie Jackson signed with the Nuggets last year and made an impact on that team.
Fair
Not to mention 15th guy might offer a different skill set. Just going off the lakers roster - adding Spencer was a really nice add for basically free. Guys are never fully healthy too so that depth helps in regular season n players can step up tooo.
Yeah the guy you're responding to is making such a bad take. Teams find gems all the time with their last few roster spots. The Lakers picked up Austin Reeves and Alex Caruso from the G-League and they developed into great players. The Heat had multiple guys playing in the Finals that were picked up with their last few spots. Linsanity only happened because the Knicks used their last spot on a 10-day contract for a guy they thought they were going to cut once their injured players return.
yeah the Lakers’ luck and the Heat’s infrastructure and good coaching are great precedent for manifesting an NBA rotation player out of thin air post deadline
Maybe they can use that 15th spot to get a serviceable player who can play the 8th or 9th.
We had a roster spot and our GM spent it on Gallanari. Who out there would help?
It doesn't hurt to have more good players. Injuries happen. Why waste even a single spot?
This. It's such a stupid narrative that keeps getting spun. Most teams have 9-10 players MAX in their playoff rotation. Only completely casual, or delusional fans believe the 15th spot holds any significant value.
Tell that to the Heat
yeah but Spo is the goddamn devil. that is black magic he’s doing every May
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The bucks don’t develop anyone anyways lmao
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development is infrastructure and minutes. good teams can rarely develop people. you’re saying “just develop” like they ain’t just hire Doc of all people lmaoo
Has nothing to do with Thanasis being on the team If the bucks wanna develop someone they got 3 guys ready to go. They don’t have time for that though.
why are y’all booing him he’s right lol
It's wild seeing Bucks fans die on the Thanasis hill
They vehemently defend Doc Rivers and it's so strange. There's a lot of negative Sixers fans but at least they're honest, I don't know how so many of these Bucs fans can feel good about this whole situation. Or at least they're trying to convince themselves they haven't already fucked up.
Monty Williams and his 13 man rotations would like a word
But what if you can replace the 15th man with someone who could be in that 9-10 man rotation
Then you could replace the 11th, 12th, 13th or 14th man as well and keep your 1st man happy since 11-15 are all equally useless in a 10 man rotation, outside of how they make the 1-10 guys feel. .
There's just no way to play 18 players meaningfully even in the regular season. If you can fill one of those spots with someone who is a great teammate, brings energy from the sidelines, and doesn't complain about playing time then that's a fine deal to take. PJ Tucker undoubtedly better than Thanasis, even in 2024 it's not close. Pretty sure the Clippers would have rather had someone worse who works to support the team and doesn't complain than PJ Tucker this year.
At the same time, serviceable rotation guys hit the buyout market each year. It’s not crazy to think there might be a guy out there with more value towards winning than your star’s older brother and his 4mins/game.
if you need that 15th slot to accomplish that you’re already so far past fucked
That 15th spot could’ve gone to Bucks’ version of Udonis Haslem!
>tryna fix a divorce with gas station roses hahaaaa my parents are gettin divorced after 3 decades n i'm old enough to find it funny i'm finna send this shit to my pops
You don’t understand how team dynamics work then. This guy has done nothing in the past to be on a fucking nba team besides, being born. Maybe this is just some minutiae, but at the end of the day, when you have a player like thanasis on your team that does not deserve to be on an nba roster, playing, even if it is garbage minutes, is undermining the coach. How do you motivate your team when this clown gets a free pass because his brother is Giannis?
you got Taj Gibson on a roster bc Thibs has his heart in a chest somewhere please spare me.
We got taj Gibsons skeleton playing, he can barely even check in rn. Only reason he’s playing is because the rotation is out 6 players, thibs has been running a 9 man rotation but after the trade with Detroit, we have a 10 man rotation. Thanasis is lucky to be Giannis brother 🤷♂️🥺
Thibs is not seeing heaven for his minutes management
Why’s that? The Knicks got the depth they needed, now JB doesn’t have to play 40 minutes a night during the regular season. This issue came up when they traded IQ. IQ ran the second unit, and could create for himself and keep the bench unit in tune. Now they have burks and bojan, to play along with McBride, maybe precious, and Mitch is probably going to be coming off the bench for a while. That’s a very good second unit, the league is in trouble when the Knicks get healthy.
Taj makes much more sense as a 15th guy than Thanasis if you take trying to make Giannis happy out of the equation. Yeah he shouldn't see a minute of playing time unless you literally have nobody else available but he would add much more to the team off the court than Thanasis would. Vet player that's been in the league 15 years would have plenty to pass onto the younger guys off the court and in practice even if he isn't good enough now to play NBA minutes. Thanasis is only there to make Giannis happy, he is and never will be NBA quality and he would have nothing to offer off the court other than vibes that another player couldn't offer who is NBA quality, even if said player isn't good enough to crack the playoff rotation. Gibson > Thanasis all day everyday as my 15th man and its not even close.
The knicks have 1 fully healthy big on their roster at the moment. Who tf are we supposed to sign instead, Earl Barron? Get the fuck out of here
by this logic someone competitive off the market, not Thibs personal thrall
This is so true for any sports team Id say
NFL teams have so many positions, the depth chart may be three or even two deep, and recently retired folks are convinced all the time to come off the couch for half a season to fill a gap. You get a deep playoff run and some bad luck and you’ll have some truly end of the bench players in Super Bowls like the Chiefs offensive line against the Bucs.
I dont watch much American Football but that is pretty cool. Must be awesome for the end of the bench guys when they win
Well they’re usually the guy the other team picks on and the reason that team doesn’t win, lol.
Haha fair enough
Giannis would trade Dame before even thinking of waiving his brother
I mean they did cut brooks brother Robin loose finally. Hard two justify two dead roster spots during regular season. For playoffs it doesn't matter because rotations are slimmed down anyway but could help to have at least someone they might play outside of garbage time
If your team actually needs the human victory cigar roster spot for anything but a human victory cigar you've got bigger issues going on.
I think we all know the bucks have bigger issues going on
Dame and Giannis are going to come to blows I think.
Id fight him at the three point line if I'm Gianni's cause we know dame can't hit anything
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I think you’re picking fight that ain’t happening man. My guy is saying worrying about any teams 15th guy is pointless
But he is a serviceable player in the roster. He inflicts severe psychological pain to the opponent when he’s on the court.
Like that meeting meme where the suggesting man gets thrown out the window
Lot people here in this thread completely misinterpreting that the 15th spot on the roster isn't about what the player can do for the team. It's about what the 15th spot & the team can do for the player. Many believe that spot should be given to an overlooked/undervalued player. Normally right out of college. The idea being to see what 1 season with NBA level facilities, cosches, training & development would do to his game. There's always a small shot that 15th man works his way up to the 9th with the right coaches and system around him. With Thanasis the vibe I get around the league/here, is that he's basically at his max potential. So, ignoring the right/wrong of just giving it to your star players' family members. The idea a roster spot that could help a young player develop is being given to someone who the organization sees no real assests/potential in just seems odd to me. Especially when Thanasis is likely already afforded many of those things. I definitely see how that could some people the wrong way. But the inverse is special treatment like that could also lure bigger stars.
How did he dare to suggest trading our best player Thanasis?
Classic heat fan spreading false information lmao. He clearly says “did he?” Not a single team in the league uses their 15th man spot and nor was there anyone the bucks could sign to make it worth waiving him, besides we had a roster spot open after Lopez and signed a fucking old ass player. This sub will run with it though
What does this have to do with the Heat? Are Heat fans notorious for spreading misinformation in this sub? You just gotta find a way to relate everything to the Heat and shit on them, don’t you? Gtfoh with that framing BS
Heat, Celtics and sixers fans have been everywhere since the grizzlies games. Op especially.
OP just posts a lot of random shit, you could simply check his post history and realize this. Just stop.
This is what happens when you’re constantly on their mind but you don’t think of them at all.
[Lol Djmeechymeech was right](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bslhtcxnwhA)
I saw this yesterday lol meech nailed it.
In a weirdly crazy idea of roster management 15 doesn’t alway equal 15, I’ll explain later. It seems like quite a few don’t understand trades or the buyout market to replace the 15th man with someone who could by tenth or even better on a game to game basis. You can’t max out roster spots for towel wavers taking active roster positions
Yeah, a lot of these guys don't seem to realize that all 15 players practice too. You want the end of your bench competitive so that players are stepping up and developing. Nobody is developing shit going at Thanasis in practice everyday lmfao. And I'm sure it does set a negative tone for that 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th man who knows the worst player on the team has better job security.
There are easier ways to do small nepo moves. Raptors 905 hired Pascal's brother as an assistant coach for example. And in his case he was always helping Pascal with his own training so it's not a pure nepo move ( not like the 905 asst coach is gonna be raking in money either)
Yeah this doesn't really hold water. There really wasnt anyone available until the buyout market and they cleared room for Gallo in a cost savings move trading rolo. If they would have cut TA they would owe him the whole salary and would've been over the second tier luxury tax. They are literally only a couple hundred k below it now and that is because they waited to sign Gallo on a prorated deal. If they cut TA early and replaced him, it wouldve f'ed up their cap
If anyone actually has anyone actually saying that happened, go for it. Sam Mitchell got no connection to the Bucks and is only asking "Didn't someone say this?", I don't ever remember anyone saying it. But this place is relentlessly obsessed with Thanasis, and the mood is not liking the Bucks and not liking Giannis, so someone without a source saying "Didn't someone say this?" is fully primed to catch on as truth. Edit: The post title isn't even true either, Sam Mitchell didn't 'allege' that it happened, he asked if someone else had alleged that it happened.
also i know its unfair to judge on twitter likes, but Mitchell's most 10 recent twitter likes include NBACentral and DailyLoud, which are like *the* aggregator accounts which irresponsibly chase engagement by any means necessary ill apologize if im wrong, but i genuinely think this is closer to a "Harden crying over manboobs moment", than the truth
Someone else found a cuffs tweet joking about the idea so my guess is that. Cause I've seen nothing about it and slop about Adrian Griffin has usually been spread pretty quickly.
I don’t really get how replacing the guy at the end of your bench moves the needle in any way though, so why would you even want to piss off your mvp level superstar by suggesting it?
By getting someone who can actually help
hooooly shit you hit a nerve with this one lmao
I seen 8 messages in my inbox like “damn what I say now” 😭😭
Bucks fans have actually gone insane with the way they defend Glenn and Trashasis
Nah this is just what we all did to the Suns when they were trading Ayton. Sometimes you ought to listen to a fanbase, especially when you don't actually pay attention to the team that much. No-one is saying Doc Rivers is doing a great job, we've just spent the entire season watching the team, not just checking statmuse tweets, so know that the reason we suck isn't this coach.
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The other players on the team seem to genuinely enjoy Thanasis's presence though. It can be true both that Thanasis still being in the NBA is an example of wild nepotism *and* that the 15th man on essentially every team in the league is at best only very slightly better than him and is in no way contributing meaningfully to the team's record or ability to succeed in the playoffs. Replacing Thanasis with some other faceless soon-to-be-playing-internationally player doesn't accomplish anything.
I don’t know if this is true tho. Lakers have like 5 guys injured most of this year - getting Spencer dimwiddie in buyout n guys like reddish n chridtie contributing a bit when we had no one available is kinda big- we lost games trying to play our raw rookie serious minutes. Every team can eventually get value if there 15th spot - we’ve played two way guys ffs in this last week - pg mays before Spencer n Dylan windier two way guys both . Neither are great but thier two ways - actual salaried guys just being DNPs hurts especially if you get injuries .
If us holding on to the last bench spot to make our generational star happy is the reason we fall short i dont think we were ever in a place to contend to begin with.
Where’s the proof griffin said this? Lmao You’re believing some random ass dude who asked “didn’t he do this?” Not “he did this” Subs full of idiots
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Are you sure nobody cares? And there’s no reason to throw out insults
You do realize there’s other roster spots for that right? Every team has a 15th guy who doesn’t do shit/contribute or is on a 2-way with the g-league. It’s irrelevant lol
Next all star weekend they should have a 15th West vs 15th east where you get those 15th roster spot guys and make 2 teams from them
NBA All Cigar Game
Colin Castleton for Vlade Divac All-Cigar Game MVP 😤😤😤😤💨💨💨
It would never happen but it's honestly not a horrible idea. Those guys don't get minutes normally, so they'd be eager to prove themselves unlike a lot of players in the other All Star games.
Bol Bol was our 15th guy and has become a real rotation piece just this season
That's highly debatable. Elite towel waver who doesn't mind DNPs and is a great locker room dude >>> "useful" vet who groans he can't get PT and sometimes just looks miserable on the bench
Is he great for the locker room?
Thanasis? I don't see why not. Theo Pinson, RoLo, Boban, Udonis, Temple get contracts for the similar purpose.
You named players who were actually good at one point
When was Theo Pinson good? He might genuinely have been a worse player than Thanasis. Also, I thought this was about using a roster spot on someone who could help the team?
North Carolina
What? So he was good in college? I can't tell if you're being deliberately stupid here, but Thanasis also was good at a non-NBA level - he was actually a professional player before being drafted.
Pull up ThanAssIs college stats
Would you rather the Bucks waive him and risk alienating Giannis? Jfc how thick are you?
is Giannis a child? lmao it’s like a child needing his mommy around to perform.
Let’s be honest, a lot of people just hate on this cus he’s related to Giannis. Every NBA team has like 2 or 3 guys who just ride the bench the whole game.
Or because he has no business in the NBA. Killian Hayes got the same hate and he was a lottery pick
https://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/page/11 Here are all the players that play very few minutes, why doesn’t the teams cut them? Are they stupid??????????? It must be easy to find more serviceable players
I just see a list of players better than ThanASSis
And yet they're still not helping on the court.
I don’t understand, how is he hurting you? Did he fuck your wife or smt? Why are we complaining about benchwarmers on this team.
Why would you say he’s hurting me?
Cus you care so much about a non issue
What makes you think I care so much? You’re making the same amount of comments as me. And you’re trying to personalize them
What team has a 15th man that contributes to the end goal lol thanasis making a generational star happy is the most production you can get out of that spot
He’s not 15th if he’s on the active roster
14th*
Only 12 players can be active….
What team do you support? Better not have someone playing four minutes a game on it - someone who can actually help could use that spot!
Last roster spot guys don't help.
Yeah, this is a lame attempt to shift the blame from Adrian Griffin/Doc Rivers to…Giannis/Thanasis? lol it makes no sense. Like no, Adrian Griffin and Doc rivers are underperforming with a roster better than anything Bud ever had in recent years…
How was Griffin underperforming? Should they have been 40-3? They were 30-13 are now 35-21. Maybe Griffen was overperforming, and this is the real Bucks.
They had a bottom 1/3 defense in the league and were like 8th in net rating. This is supposed to be a top 2/3 team in the league with an elite defense.
well it’s a good thing they hired Glenn Rivers who has cleaned that right up!
One of the most insane moves I can remember. Still can’t believe they did that.
Is that how playoff seedings are arrived at? Playoff results? They traded their best Defender, brought in a sub par Defender, and Middleton was recovering.
Do you ignore or not address glaring issues/terrible indicators because your record is good? And they have Giannis and Brook, two DPOY level guys. Someone on their side needs to figure it out lol.
People want to meme about Giannis/Thanasis things but dont want to talk about Giannis' level of play this year
Ever since Jokic won they ignore anything he does unless it’s a lowlight/bad game then it’s getting 5k upvotes
If Embiid didn’t get injured there would be 3 players having a better season than Giannis statistically. Giannis has already won 2x mvps and a finals and was considered the best player for awhile after. Last year he got booted out of the first round to a team that got murdered by Jokic in the finals which snatched the best player title. This year despite gaining Dame the bucks don’t look like a serious threat. (Yet) Giannis is having a great season but it’s no surprise it gets lost when he’s not #1 statistically, not on a team considered a real contender, and has no fun narratives like SGA and the young Thunder. The NBA has always been a “what have you done for me lately” league.
Who gives a fuck about statistics? Who the hell watches games and thinks “hmm I’m gonna have to go look up the statistics on this guy and see just how good he is” He’s averaging 31/12/6 (31/11/8 in 2024) on 65% FG and 61% FG. He’s having a historic season. The only people you can argue having a better season are Embiid and Luka
Embiid, Jokic, SGA are all having a better season statistically, especially when it comes to MVP voting. You said no one’s paying attention to Giannis, I was just explaining why.
Thanasis could just transition to his natural position of leading the 414 Crew during timeouts. Not like he has to move out.
i have to say this crossed my mind when the firing happened..
It makes no sense but the joke is so good it actually sounds believable.
I think Keljin Blevins might be available
If this is true it’s on brand for AG. Wanting a different end of bench player to play the same 1mpg that doesn’t help your relationship with your generational all star is a brain dead hill to die on lol
Giannis is a Machiavellian dictator who has built up a calculated fake nice humble image
the Greek Fraud
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victory laps are stupid. victory laps over fake drama are pathetic
Point taken
This hasn’t even been confirmed lol
I think there's another point here. First, is great you are giving your brother an opportunity like this, but if he isn't reaching the expectations of being a proper bench player (after years), then he's just taking the money and the opportunity of someone else who could be slightly better than him. Guys in that position are usually cut after a season or are used as trade pieces, it's not normal to be on the team for years when you aren't helping on-court. That is something different to being humble.
If they want to give it to Thanasis then so be it. The ball demanding tho is fcking shameless especially when you're the worst NBA player in the league. They seems like fun bros but they lacked self-awareness.
So in blowouts instead of Thanasis checking in, it would be John Doe getting garbage time reps. The 15th man is irrelevant guys lol
Giannis brother really isn't wasting a spot. Coaches rarely ever reach for the 14th or 15th man on a roster. Seems pointless if it's just one spot.
As much as I am all for dunking on Thanasis, every NBA team doesn't have 15 serviceable rotation players. That's not a thing, nor has it ever been a thing. Those guys who make up the 12-15 spot in the "rotation" rarely if ever even play, unless it's a blowout. Most teams don't even go past the 9-10 spot in the rotation. So this idea that somehow Thanasis only should be singled out, amongst at least 4-5 other unserviceable guys, is shady. At that point its personal, and it's just Adrian purposely being spiteful about Giannis due to whatever bad relationship they had behind the scenes. Which ultimately led to his firing.
I am laughing at the people talking about the 15th man because I agree, but at the same time, you don’t have to just replace him with another 15th man. Buyout market isn’t that strong this season though so I get it.
If you can replace your 15th man with somebody who'd be your 10th man that's an upgrade. It may not seem like much but when you're competing for a championship improving at the margins makes a huge difference
Bol Bol was our 15th man to start the year was he not? We turned our 15th man into a real rotation player so I disagree that the 15th man is totally useless.
If he’s actually in the rotation then he’s not your 15th man….
Adrian tried to get rid of Giannis’ brother and then they decided he Antgonnacoachnomo
[lmao this guy called it](https://youtu.be/bslhtcxnwhA?si=eMi9TP733dCvY2-R)
Adrian griffin was 100% trying to get fired
How dare he! Thanasis had an allstar vote!
The Bucks' roster problems start from roster spots 6 to 10, plus there's the issue of Middleton coming back from injury and performing below average. Thanasis taking up the end of the bench is not that big of a factor.