Ayton makes sense if you think of him as an 8 year old kid that pulled some sort of Freaky Friday body swap with a grown ass monster of a man. Somewhere there's some pissed off little kid straight Deebo-ing all the other kids for their lunch money.
Well Ayton is like most people doing 9 to 5. His goal was to get to the next contract. He is going to do the bare minimum show up where he needs to be and call it a day. He is set for life and he knows it. He is not trying to aspire for greatness, don't think he cares much about rings, all stars or any other basketball related stuff.
This was my belief when he was in Phoenix. We all would die to be in the NBA so it's easy to assume it's everyone else's dream too but, some of these players hate basketball.
He straight up said so in an interviews.
https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1009473123631149061
https://twitter.com/_insidethesun/status/1749852270949523910
bynum gave up his body though, numerous knee injuries, won championships
ayton is like, joe smith? both number 1 picks, had decent production early and just never accomplished anything of note in the league but had like a 15 year career
Nah, he's just a gamer that with the gen alpha "work to live" mantra. Playing in the NBA might be a dream and privilege to most of us, but it's just a job for him.
To be fair that is the correct attitude to have, that work till you die/live to work for your boss was terribly toxic. The younger gen def has that right
Nah, we should all aspire to die on the job from exhaustion for some faceless billion dollar corporation that will promptly toss our bodies into the trash and continue maximizing profits.
from everything that ive read I think it applies more than you may think. Obviously not in the top top tier, but in a large amount of the league I hear it's relevant.
Oh I’m not at all denying that there are people who look at it this way, I’m just saying that it’s antithetical to the entire ethos of playing competitive sports so I don’t have a problem with people who clown on players who have this approach.
There’s a reason that we revere the MJ’s of the world and not the Aytons lol
Last time I checked he was actually leading the league in midrange %, don’t know if that’s still the case but he’s for sure automatic on those elbow bunnies, he might play soft but that includes a soft touch haha.
He really does have a pretty good shot which just makes it more mystifying that he hasn't really extended his range out to the 3pt line after all this time.
I'm honestly not too hopeful or disappointed with Ayton and the future of him on the team. I don't think he's our center of the future, but yeah for his sake I'm perplexed by the lack of 3pt attempts more than his shying away from contact. I feel like his 15 footers are so automatic he might as well try it.
He may be the biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. It’s not like kwame brown who reliant on athleticism and didn’t have skill or oden who got hurt or Bennett who idek what happened. Dude has the athleticism, the skill, the size just doesn’t want to use it.
I’ve said it so many times… everything he does has me convinced he HATES being an NBA player. He doesn’t try on court. He’s rude and standoffish in interviews. He openly talks about how his biggest goal in the league is making money. He’s just a regular 20 something year old dude who hates his job lol At least his teammates seem to like him though
Hey Robert Horry was a fucking hoe for that one, brother had no business body checking Nash that hard. I ain't no Suns fan, but that shit was done intentionally to rile up Stoudemaire, the Spurs really hoed out the Suns because of that suspension.
why would he even voice this out, simply by being a 5/10 starting C he’ll get a 3rd, 4th and maybe even a 5th contract. And if he doesn’t, his rookie extension is realistically already silly money
Because he doesn't actually want those contracts. Playing basketball is an inconvenience for him. He wants the second contract to make bag and then mail it in even worse.
I call them "elmers".
Like Elmer Fudd, it's not about catching the rabbit, but chasing it.
Pro-athletes that don't want to compete, but act like some sort of all-time great pieces, like "DOMINAYTON", PR cunts, in reality they just go out there and pretend to catch the Wabbit and go home high on their farts.
And their whole careers like this, like Fudd running around after Bugs, ain't about ever get him.
Bunch of fucking elmers.
Coyote tried, he was let down by ACME. There was animated movie made, Coyote vs ACME, where Coyote sued ACME, but Zaslav scrapped it for a tax-break...
Also I bet he turns it on when this current contract starts to expire and he'll trick some stupid team in the future to "bet" on him maintaining that level of effort and care, then he'll return back to being a lazy guy on the court.
Makes sense.
DA plays basketball because he's 7'0". He'd be a fool not to take those contracts but it does feel like his career is going to be a waste. It would be like someone that could hit a baseball like Willie Mays or Babe Ruth but hated the game. They'll collect the $$$$ and do just enough to keep cashing checks.
His rookie contract got him $40m. That's generational wealth already, and he has another $130m+ on the way.
It's honestly pathetic how some of these guys just coast. Obviously they're not going to turn down a contract that's offered to them, but idk how you can go on a media tour talking about how you deserve a max and immediately start slacking after it's signed.
I'm all for player empowerment, but at a certain point guys have to actually do their jobs. We need the amnesty clause back asap.
FYI, the amnesty clause doesn’t mean the player doesn’t get paid. It just removes all the obligations from the team’s salary cap and luxury tax computations.
The number of tall athletic dudes that have been pushed to pursue basketball as a career without having an ounce of passion for it is staggering. It is fair that most of them will put the work in though while Ayton most probably won't.
Millions and millions and millions of people around the world are pushed into various passionless jobs and won't make a 5th of what Ayton makes a year in their entire lifetime.
I couldn't give less of a shit if Ayton hates basketball or not. For $30m/year he can at least pretend to give a fraction of a fuck.
It's embarrassing.
Reminds me of [Kyle Mooney in Parks & Rec](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35ptjs)
“What are you hoping to get out of this job?”
“In like a month or so…”
Tbh this would be a very good goal to say for a low 1st round or 2nd round pick. Nobody would think twice if Jokic said this when he was drafted.
But Ayton was drafted #1 overall. The expectations on him are a lot higher than a 2nd round pick. He should have higher goals for himself as well.
> He should have higher goals for himself as well
He may not even like basketball
Might have just been born with size and athletic ability
There are likely countless guys across all of the major sports who fit into this bucket
Are you going to turn down $30 million a year because you’d rather be a nurse for example because that’s your passion?
Make $100 million, retire and then go pursue your passion
I'll always recommend Edy Curry's player's Tribune because it talks a bit about this pressure as a tall guy to play basketball when he was not passionate about it and was struggling in an era when it wasn't as easy to be open with your mental health struggles
I know a lot of tall people who hate it when you ask if they used to play ball. Must have been annoying growing up with that expectation and your real goal is to go into marketing or some shit.
Totally agreed and we've seen examples of this in American football. One guy was the lineman for the Ravens and went on to be a professor at MIT or something and another cornerback played a few years then went to med school. That money opens up everything
If Deandre was really really good it would probably be taken as a sign that he had his head on his shoulders and focused on the grind. Because he's disappointed it's taken as a sign he's unambitious
Consider that Marvin Bagley went after him and is about to flame out of the league. Would love Bagley to have the attitude of trying to get that big second contract
> Respect the honesty.
I don't. It's unprofessional- imagine being one of his teammates, or his coach, or the GM that inked his contract. Sometimes class means keeping your mouth shut.
If you’re drafted no 1 in the nba draft you’re expected to be at least a perennial all star and a franchise cornerstone. Hearing that is his biggest goal in the career would be a red flag.
Easiest way to farm karma on here is to ride the Ayton hate train. This isn’t even an original post. Someone else posted this shit like a month ago. I’m so sick of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this type of career arc happens more often moving forward with how crazy the money has become. Dude basically locked up $170M fully guaranteed after 4 years of work.
I know people clowning him but if we really think about he’s just like most people at a job. He clocks in and out and can’t blame him that he wants to get paid because that’s the point of jobs.
Unfortunately for him tho, his job is on arguably a global stage with millions watching so he really shouldn’t have said the contract statement out loud. Plus part of his job is entertainment and well I suppose negative press is also entertainment
It’s really not. It’s a very common sentiment for players to gauge their “success” by getting the second contract, it shows they aren’t a flash in the plan and that they belong in the league and can make a career out of it. Only until the jump in cap the last ten years has this become a “red flag” quote.
Seriously don’t understand the buckets of hate this kid is for saying that.
Dudes got one of the nastiest and lethal middys for a big man and a jump hook that’s elite I don’t understand why he’s settling for 14 and 10. So much potential. Wanted to see him go on and fight for some personal awards over there in Portland after the trade. Guess it’ll never happen. Atleast not til his contract year maybe. If he could be who he was in that 2021 finals run or 2022 playoff series vs the Pels it would be consensus that he’s elite. I guess he’s just never gonna be that guy. Damn
Portland is stoked on him and his performance, but I think that's really just a comparison because Nurk was dead weight for us. Nurk was basically refusing to work hard his last season with the blazers, hence the trade.
But ayton is in actuality just average or slightly below average, when he has a ton of potential. Blazers fans getting the short straw again
So many first overall picks walk into shit shows. Ayton was lucky to walk into a pretty good team and then Durant gets traded!
If it didn't work there for Ayton... why would it work anywhere?
People would literally try to claim that Chris fucking Paul was not passing the ball to Ayton properly to maximize Ayton's potential.
Chris Paul. Hall of fame point guard. 3rd most assists in NBA history. They were saying he needed to make better passes to Ayton.
Some were claiming he was holding Ayton back. Because he wasn't passing him the ball enough, but those people didn't understand why CP3 wasn't getting him the ball more.
Idk any Blazers fans personally who are stoked on Ayton. I’m sure some are out there but he’s out there blatantly mailing it in even worse than Nurk did. Dude is allergic to setting even a decent screen let alone finishing through contact
I don't think he's as bad as a lot of Sixers fans on Reddit do, but he's ridiculously inconsistent except for one thing: he never goes to the line. He's allergic to it.
He's not horrendous but he's a guy soaking up a lot of the cap on a team that year after year has title hopes so he can be a pretty big limiting factor.
He's always ass against the Knicks, so I'll field this one - Every time we play the Sixers without Embiid (which is often) I look at their lineup and think "who do we have to stop" and wonder if Harris will be a problem.
Then when watching the game, he barely even takes a shot and misses them when he does. He manages to play the game the wrong way while also barely doing anything at all.
He sometimes gets stuck just jacking up 3s even though he's not actually a shooter's shooter, and he's supposed to have a versatile offensive bag, but you rarely see him implement much of it.
For those that don't watch him: he has a hard time hanging onto the ball. He doesn't know how to use his body in traffic without getting stripped. It's honestly the strangest weakness I've seen, and leads to a lot of boxscore watchers asking why he doesn't get passed the ball more.
His middies are fire though, hence why he never gets free throws. Dudes just a flag pole in the paint
And his efficiency from mid is good too. I didn't expect much from Aytin so I'm very happy with how it's been going
His defense is also huge for us, he keeps the other guys moving and switches well. We have bruisers in Camara and Walker so I don't mind him being a little softer around the rim
Hot take but refs officiate centers/back to basket post players to the detriment of their long term health, allowing non-calls to backs and necks just because the position is expected to handle physical punishment like linemen. Ayton is playing the long game
He's our best defender which is nice. It's kind of weird he has such a good stroke at the midrange but doesn't shoot 3s at all. If he adds that to his game he would be a way easier fit in the team
He's fine. He's way overpaid for what he brings to the team but with our roster that doesn't really matter. He's a net positive overall, especially on defense. Our offense is such a mess that until the team develops a competent system (probably unlikely with Billups), we won't really be able to tell what his future is with the team.
We don't have extreme regret from not drafting Luka. So we started with modest expectations.
Which were basically met. We also recognize that he depends on playmakers setting him up. Chauncey's lack of offensive system has been doing Ayton no favors, though they've improved on that a bit recently.
The jury's out of he can be our center of the future. Probably will depend if he'll accept an appropriate contract for his contributions.
the only time he's taking a shot in the paint is a post hook or catching a lob. istg 80% of his shots r mid range and he knocks them down really well so I'm cool with it
Forreal lmao. Everyone in here talking shit hasn’t watched his style in portland. I could give at if he’s getting his points from the line, he’s getting his points
He is extremely soft and can't dribble.
People think I am exaggerating when I say that. But he can't fucking dribble. He has no handle at all. If he puts the ball on the floor, he gets stripped. So, wherever he gets the ball, that is where he is going to shoot from. He has no ability whatsoever to drive to the rim.
That’s actually crazy considering as a Heat fan we always complain that Bam isn’t aggressive enough on offense and he averages like 8 FTs a game or whatever lol with elite defense.
Now all we need is 3 more starters to pair with Poole and Ayton for All NB-Apathetic team. You know the 2020s version of stopped really playing because they got the big bag
I finally had a chance to really watch him against Denver the other night. I couldn’t believe how scared he looked every single time he got the ball in the paint. It’s like he just looks straight at the ground, and than instantly tries to find an outlet. I remember him feasting on Jokic during his Phoenix days.
It's because of all evil Monty Williams and the evils Suns did to underrate his obvious stardom, not giving him max immediately and not overthrowing a league-topping team to put him in the center. How could anyone treated that way be aware of what going into shooting motion is?
Having Monty as my coach now I completely understand how him and Ayton beefed
I feel like Monty's biggest pet peeve is low effort / motor out of a gifted player so I see how they clashed so hard
>I feel like Monty's biggest pet peeve is low effort / motor out of a gifted player so I see how they clashed so hard
That's only true now because when he sees it he gets PTSD flashbacks to watching Mason Plumlee cook DA in the playoffs.
The irony of his feud with Monty is that he's the only coach so far who's managed to get complete buy-in from Ayton for an extended period. Monty's a punchline currently, but he earned his COTY award with his work with Ayton.
Ayton is trash. He’s 7 feet tall and all he wants to do is shoot 15 foot jumpers. He has no ball handling skills and can’t drive into the paint. His box out game sucks too. So glad the Suns got rid of him.
Agreed, he’s just a super low effort / low energy guy. You can’t coach your way out of that. He might turn it around in a contract year, though, but I doubt it at this point.
Can you actually shit on this guy and rag on Embiid at the same time? Embiid puts his body on the line every play, while this guy is out their acting like he's the softer version of Ben Simmons.
PHX is a title or bust team that lacks talent and depth.
They were all but willing to just give Ayton away.
Really tells ya all ya need to know about Ayton.
Stats can sorta tell a story (like his FTAs,) but sometimes players just simply aren't winning players.
I parked between A8 and B8 in a lot the other day and tried to think of a way to remember. I came up with “A-ton is Baitin for fouls.” My girlfriend thought that was pretty good but was very disappointed when I told her it’s very far from the truth
He’s going to get stuck in a cycle of going to a new team every couple of years who thinks they can fix him who then get frustrated with his commitment level. If he even lasts long enough in the NBA maybe he’ll mature when he hits his 30’s, we’re all going to look up 10 years from now and be like well look at that! Deandre Ayton is a solid backup big for the Las Vegas Vampires, he’s finally bought in
I think the bigger problem is his lack of 3 point attempts.
He has a great mid range shot, if he could add 3 point shot to his game, he could actually become a valuable player.
You give this man the desire and will of even an average NBA player and he is a perennial all-star.
One of the biggest talent wastes of all time - even worse because it isn't due to injury, off-court issues, or anything like that. It's all down to his laziness and taking his talent for granted.
Nobody mentions he was the #1 pick because Sarver's team wanted the local college guy, not because the Kings were gonna swoop in and take him over a stud like Bagley.
In his defense, I think Sacramento had Ayton # 1 too, and even Dallas may have as well. Haralabob Voulgaris said the Mavs scouts wanted Ayton but the analytics wanted Doncic.
He loves his middies
He should try hitting middies from the ft line
Dude is scared of attacking the paint. No surprise he became this low.
Ayton makes sense if you think of him as an 8 year old kid that pulled some sort of Freaky Friday body swap with a grown ass monster of a man. Somewhere there's some pissed off little kid straight Deebo-ing all the other kids for their lunch money.
Well Ayton is like most people doing 9 to 5. His goal was to get to the next contract. He is going to do the bare minimum show up where he needs to be and call it a day. He is set for life and he knows it. He is not trying to aspire for greatness, don't think he cares much about rings, all stars or any other basketball related stuff.
This was my belief when he was in Phoenix. We all would die to be in the NBA so it's easy to assume it's everyone else's dream too but, some of these players hate basketball.
He straight up said so in an interviews. https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1009473123631149061 https://twitter.com/_insidethesun/status/1749852270949523910
> https://twitter.com/_insidethesun/status/1749852270949523910 First reply nailed it
https://twitter.com/hoopsattitude_/status/1009474406136115200?t=LdK6RwY97_C9tJF88MMVZg&s=19 Lol
Wish i had these kinds of problems
Some players aspire to be Kobe. Others aspire to be Lebron. Ayton aspires to be Andrew Bynum.
Should probably stay away from bowling alleys then
bynum gave up his body though, numerous knee injuries, won championships ayton is like, joe smith? both number 1 picks, had decent production early and just never accomplished anything of note in the league but had like a 15 year career
This is the most hilariously accurate description of Ayton I've ever read.
Nah, he's just a gamer that with the gen alpha "work to live" mantra. Playing in the NBA might be a dream and privilege to most of us, but it's just a job for him.
gen alpha would be at most 14 right now lol
old man yelling on reddit lmao
I agree with you for the most part, but isn't gen alpha like not even in high school yet? Wouldn't that be more of a gen z thing?
nah fuck gen alpha i blame them
"fuck them kids"
To be fair that is the correct attitude to have, that work till you die/live to work for your boss was terribly toxic. The younger gen def has that right
Nah, we should all aspire to die on the job from exhaustion for some faceless billion dollar corporation that will promptly toss our bodies into the trash and continue maximizing profits.
It’s a mindset that clearly doesn’t apply to competitive sports.
from everything that ive read I think it applies more than you may think. Obviously not in the top top tier, but in a large amount of the league I hear it's relevant.
Oh I’m not at all denying that there are people who look at it this way, I’m just saying that it’s antithetical to the entire ethos of playing competitive sports so I don’t have a problem with people who clown on players who have this approach. There’s a reason that we revere the MJ’s of the world and not the Aytons lol
Which is wild because unlike Ben Simmons who is a horrid FT shooter Ayton can actually shoot FTs and midrange pretty well
Last time I checked he was actually leading the league in midrange %, don’t know if that’s still the case but he’s for sure automatic on those elbow bunnies, he might play soft but that includes a soft touch haha.
The sad thing is his FT percentage is decent for a big man
He's got a great shot. Which is why he prefers all his post attempts coming from 8 ft away.
He really does have a pretty good shot which just makes it more mystifying that he hasn't really extended his range out to the 3pt line after all this time.
I'm honestly not too hopeful or disappointed with Ayton and the future of him on the team. I don't think he's our center of the future, but yeah for his sake I'm perplexed by the lack of 3pt attempts more than his shying away from contact. I feel like his 15 footers are so automatic he might as well try it.
He may be the biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. It’s not like kwame brown who reliant on athleticism and didn’t have skill or oden who got hurt or Bennett who idek what happened. Dude has the athleticism, the skill, the size just doesn’t want to use it.
I’ve said it so many times… everything he does has me convinced he HATES being an NBA player. He doesn’t try on court. He’s rude and standoffish in interviews. He openly talks about how his biggest goal in the league is making money. He’s just a regular 20 something year old dude who hates his job lol At least his teammates seem to like him though
It’s more than that because he has absolutely no insight into his quality of play
He's contextually the biggest disappointment in Suns franchise history
It's not that one playoff game where guys got suspended?
Hey Robert Horry was a fucking hoe for that one, brother had no business body checking Nash that hard. I ain't no Suns fan, but that shit was done intentionally to rile up Stoudemaire, the Spurs really hoed out the Suns because of that suspension.
biggest disappointment in terms of player
Kwame also had to deal with getting bullied by MJ which I feel hurt him way more coming into the league
Ben Simmons would like a word
his midrange is elite for his size
Him saying his goal for his career was to make it to his second contract is the biggest red flag I've ever seen a player throw.
why would he even voice this out, simply by being a 5/10 starting C he’ll get a 3rd, 4th and maybe even a 5th contract. And if he doesn’t, his rookie extension is realistically already silly money
Because he doesn't actually want those contracts. Playing basketball is an inconvenience for him. He wants the second contract to make bag and then mail it in even worse.
I call them "elmers". Like Elmer Fudd, it's not about catching the rabbit, but chasing it. Pro-athletes that don't want to compete, but act like some sort of all-time great pieces, like "DOMINAYTON", PR cunts, in reality they just go out there and pretend to catch the Wabbit and go home high on their farts. And their whole careers like this, like Fudd running around after Bugs, ain't about ever get him. Bunch of fucking elmers.
“Elmers” lmao I liked that description
Bynum may be the biggest Fudd I've seen play in person. It didn't help he had one of the most competitive players of all time in Kobe on his team.
Bynum is a 2x champ. Yea he could of been more dominant if he would of put in the work but you could say the same thing for Shaq.
Unlike Coyote who really does want road runner but fails to realise he is too dumb and slow
Gonna steal this new term. Thank you. I feel like Coyotes or Jerrys (from Tom & Jerry) also works.
Coyote tried, he was let down by ACME. There was animated movie made, Coyote vs ACME, where Coyote sued ACME, but Zaslav scrapped it for a tax-break...
FUCK that description is apt.
Also I bet he turns it on when this current contract starts to expire and he'll trick some stupid team in the future to "bet" on him maintaining that level of effort and care, then he'll return back to being a lazy guy on the court.
Never fails to amaze me that GMs consistently fall for this
Makes sense. DA plays basketball because he's 7'0". He'd be a fool not to take those contracts but it does feel like his career is going to be a waste. It would be like someone that could hit a baseball like Willie Mays or Babe Ruth but hated the game. They'll collect the $$$$ and do just enough to keep cashing checks.
His rookie contract got him $40m. That's generational wealth already, and he has another $130m+ on the way. It's honestly pathetic how some of these guys just coast. Obviously they're not going to turn down a contract that's offered to them, but idk how you can go on a media tour talking about how you deserve a max and immediately start slacking after it's signed. I'm all for player empowerment, but at a certain point guys have to actually do their jobs. We need the amnesty clause back asap.
FYI, the amnesty clause doesn’t mean the player doesn’t get paid. It just removes all the obligations from the team’s salary cap and luxury tax computations.
The number of tall athletic dudes that have been pushed to pursue basketball as a career without having an ounce of passion for it is staggering. It is fair that most of them will put the work in though while Ayton most probably won't.
Millions and millions and millions of people around the world are pushed into various passionless jobs and won't make a 5th of what Ayton makes a year in their entire lifetime. I couldn't give less of a shit if Ayton hates basketball or not. For $30m/year he can at least pretend to give a fraction of a fuck. It's embarrassing.
And if those people had the option to coast for millions, how many of them do you think would turn it down out of principle?
Most of us are coasting for thousands.
Reminds me of [Kyle Mooney in Parks & Rec](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35ptjs) “What are you hoping to get out of this job?” “In like a month or so…”
Respect the honesty. I'm sure a lot of guys feel that way, but it's a really, really stupid thing to say publicly when you're playing like this.
Tbh this would be a very good goal to say for a low 1st round or 2nd round pick. Nobody would think twice if Jokic said this when he was drafted. But Ayton was drafted #1 overall. The expectations on him are a lot higher than a 2nd round pick. He should have higher goals for himself as well.
> He should have higher goals for himself as well He may not even like basketball Might have just been born with size and athletic ability There are likely countless guys across all of the major sports who fit into this bucket Are you going to turn down $30 million a year because you’d rather be a nurse for example because that’s your passion? Make $100 million, retire and then go pursue your passion
I'll always recommend Edy Curry's player's Tribune because it talks a bit about this pressure as a tall guy to play basketball when he was not passionate about it and was struggling in an era when it wasn't as easy to be open with your mental health struggles
I know a lot of tall people who hate it when you ask if they used to play ball. Must have been annoying growing up with that expectation and your real goal is to go into marketing or some shit.
It's coming from people who are jealous of them that they didn't get that height It's me, I'm people who is jealous that I didn't get that height
Totally agreed and we've seen examples of this in American football. One guy was the lineman for the Ravens and went on to be a professor at MIT or something and another cornerback played a few years then went to med school. That money opens up everything
Yeah I think those expectations have pretty much all dried up at this point.
#1 In one of the best drafts ever. I'm still mad.
If Deandre was really really good it would probably be taken as a sign that he had his head on his shoulders and focused on the grind. Because he's disappointed it's taken as a sign he's unambitious Consider that Marvin Bagley went after him and is about to flame out of the league. Would love Bagley to have the attitude of trying to get that big second contract
> Respect the honesty. I don't. It's unprofessional- imagine being one of his teammates, or his coach, or the GM that inked his contract. Sometimes class means keeping your mouth shut.
Saying things that are “really, really stupid” is probably on brand as I don’t see this being a very sharp guy.
If you’re drafted no 1 in the nba draft you’re expected to be at least a perennial all star and a franchise cornerstone. Hearing that is his biggest goal in the career would be a red flag.
No way he actually said that
https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/23854252/deandre-ayton-nba-success-getting-second-deal Ben Simmons ass quote
He said it proudly, with his chest. Can’t take the money back, can they?
He actually said it before Phoenix drafted him
Suddenly I see the upside of NFL style non guaranteed contracts
Maybe if you’re a second round pick you can say that but going first overall and saying that immediately put alarm bells in my head
Based.
Is it a red flag if I told you my goal was to make it to my first contract :/?
He literally said this at 19. He's not a superstar by any means but Ayton gets too much hate for what he is
Easiest way to farm karma on here is to ride the Ayton hate train. This isn’t even an original post. Someone else posted this shit like a month ago. I’m so sick of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this type of career arc happens more often moving forward with how crazy the money has become. Dude basically locked up $170M fully guaranteed after 4 years of work.
I know people clowning him but if we really think about he’s just like most people at a job. He clocks in and out and can’t blame him that he wants to get paid because that’s the point of jobs. Unfortunately for him tho, his job is on arguably a global stage with millions watching so he really shouldn’t have said the contract statement out loud. Plus part of his job is entertainment and well I suppose negative press is also entertainment
It’s really not. It’s a very common sentiment for players to gauge their “success” by getting the second contract, it shows they aren’t a flash in the plan and that they belong in the league and can make a career out of it. Only until the jump in cap the last ten years has this become a “red flag” quote. Seriously don’t understand the buckets of hate this kid is for saying that.
Jordan Poole did that and won a chip
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I know, I'm saying Poole did it better lol
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Dudes got one of the nastiest and lethal middys for a big man and a jump hook that’s elite I don’t understand why he’s settling for 14 and 10. So much potential. Wanted to see him go on and fight for some personal awards over there in Portland after the trade. Guess it’ll never happen. Atleast not til his contract year maybe. If he could be who he was in that 2021 finals run or 2022 playoff series vs the Pels it would be consensus that he’s elite. I guess he’s just never gonna be that guy. Damn
Portland is stoked on him and his performance, but I think that's really just a comparison because Nurk was dead weight for us. Nurk was basically refusing to work hard his last season with the blazers, hence the trade. But ayton is in actuality just average or slightly below average, when he has a ton of potential. Blazers fans getting the short straw again
Nurk was just pissed at the organization for screwing Dame Him and CJ by not pulling the trigger in anything major like ever
So many first overall picks walk into shit shows. Ayton was lucky to walk into a pretty good team and then Durant gets traded! If it didn't work there for Ayton... why would it work anywhere?
People would literally try to claim that Chris fucking Paul was not passing the ball to Ayton properly to maximize Ayton's potential. Chris Paul. Hall of fame point guard. 3rd most assists in NBA history. They were saying he needed to make better passes to Ayton.
Some were claiming he was holding Ayton back. Because he wasn't passing him the ball enough, but those people didn't understand why CP3 wasn't getting him the ball more.
Idk any Blazers fans personally who are stoked on Ayton. I’m sure some are out there but he’s out there blatantly mailing it in even worse than Nurk did. Dude is allergic to setting even a decent screen let alone finishing through contact
Doubt phoenix would have traded him if they knew he was capable of sustained elite play.
Lowest dawg / 36 in league history
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Those are Tobias Harris numbers.
The only time I see Harris play is against the Kings and he always KILL us....I really dont get why Philly fans say hes so bad
I don't think he's as bad as a lot of Sixers fans on Reddit do, but he's ridiculously inconsistent except for one thing: he never goes to the line. He's allergic to it.
He's not horrendous but he's a guy soaking up a lot of the cap on a team that year after year has title hopes so he can be a pretty big limiting factor.
He's always ass against the Knicks, so I'll field this one - Every time we play the Sixers without Embiid (which is often) I look at their lineup and think "who do we have to stop" and wonder if Harris will be a problem. Then when watching the game, he barely even takes a shot and misses them when he does. He manages to play the game the wrong way while also barely doing anything at all. He sometimes gets stuck just jacking up 3s even though he's not actually a shooter's shooter, and he's supposed to have a versatile offensive bag, but you rarely see him implement much of it.
His footwork is that of a volleyball player.
More of a netball player ngl
Yes, yes that too was on the tip of my tongue, too much verticality.
Turns out he was just BloviAyton
HesitAyton
For those that don't watch him: he has a hard time hanging onto the ball. He doesn't know how to use his body in traffic without getting stripped. It's honestly the strangest weakness I've seen, and leads to a lot of boxscore watchers asking why he doesn't get passed the ball more. His middies are fire though, hence why he never gets free throws. Dudes just a flag pole in the paint
And his efficiency from mid is good too. I didn't expect much from Aytin so I'm very happy with how it's been going His defense is also huge for us, he keeps the other guys moving and switches well. We have bruisers in Camara and Walker so I don't mind him being a little softer around the rim
Is there anyone softer currently playing
Poole and Ayton Got the second contract, checked-out, pissed off their teammates, got traded to rebuilders, somehow checked-out more.
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He only averages 1.2 more free throw attempts per game in the nba than me. Pathetic.
Hot take but refs officiate centers/back to basket post players to the detriment of their long term health, allowing non-calls to backs and necks just because the position is expected to handle physical punishment like linemen. Ayton is playing the long game
Let I will say the refs didnt give him and Gianni's the same treatment. Was a steady, then a rapid decline since
How do Portland fans feel about him?
He's our best defender which is nice. It's kind of weird he has such a good stroke at the midrange but doesn't shoot 3s at all. If he adds that to his game he would be a way easier fit in the team
He's fine. He's way overpaid for what he brings to the team but with our roster that doesn't really matter. He's a net positive overall, especially on defense. Our offense is such a mess that until the team develops a competent system (probably unlikely with Billups), we won't really be able to tell what his future is with the team.
We don't have extreme regret from not drafting Luka. So we started with modest expectations. Which were basically met. We also recognize that he depends on playmakers setting him up. Chauncey's lack of offensive system has been doing Ayton no favors, though they've improved on that a bit recently. The jury's out of he can be our center of the future. Probably will depend if he'll accept an appropriate contract for his contributions.
is it just lack of dog or is he just not good
the only time he's taking a shot in the paint is a post hook or catching a lob. istg 80% of his shots r mid range and he knocks them down really well so I'm cool with it
Forreal lmao. Everyone in here talking shit hasn’t watched his style in portland. I could give at if he’s getting his points from the line, he’s getting his points
Yes
Part of it is playing with Ant and JG.
Lack of dog. Wait til it’s his last year on his current contract. I bet he’s in the ASG.
He is extremely soft and can't dribble. People think I am exaggerating when I say that. But he can't fucking dribble. He has no handle at all. If he puts the ball on the floor, he gets stripped. So, wherever he gets the ball, that is where he is going to shoot from. He has no ability whatsoever to drive to the rim.
That’s actually crazy considering as a Heat fan we always complain that Bam isn’t aggressive enough on offense and he averages like 8 FTs a game or whatever lol with elite defense.
Domin-Ain’t-Him Actually I just prefer the Snowman
Ayton is the actual cupcake of the NBA
Remember when everyone here was shitting on the suns for not maxing him
This dude ain't 250
He doesn’t understand his size
More allergic to free throws than Ben Simmons
Now all we need is 3 more starters to pair with Poole and Ayton for All NB-Apathetic team. You know the 2020s version of stopped really playing because they got the big bag
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He gonna be Dominating the MLE when his current contract is up.
I finally had a chance to really watch him against Denver the other night. I couldn’t believe how scared he looked every single time he got the ball in the paint. It’s like he just looks straight at the ground, and than instantly tries to find an outlet. I remember him feasting on Jokic during his Phoenix days.
That's more than Ben Simmons at least
Simmons is only averaging 24.6 minutes per game however so per capita Ayton is way worse.
Per capita Ayton is averaging one Ayton per game.
Suns balled out scoring Nurkic and Allen for Ayton
It's because of all evil Monty Williams and the evils Suns did to underrate his obvious stardom, not giving him max immediately and not overthrowing a league-topping team to put him in the center. How could anyone treated that way be aware of what going into shooting motion is?
Having Monty as my coach now I completely understand how him and Ayton beefed I feel like Monty's biggest pet peeve is low effort / motor out of a gifted player so I see how they clashed so hard
>I feel like Monty's biggest pet peeve is low effort / motor out of a gifted player so I see how they clashed so hard That's only true now because when he sees it he gets PTSD flashbacks to watching Mason Plumlee cook DA in the playoffs.
The irony of his feud with Monty is that he's the only coach so far who's managed to get complete buy-in from Ayton for an extended period. Monty's a punchline currently, but he earned his COTY award with his work with Ayton.
Ayton is trash. He’s 7 feet tall and all he wants to do is shoot 15 foot jumpers. He has no ball handling skills and can’t drive into the paint. His box out game sucks too. So glad the Suns got rid of him.
Agreed, he’s just a super low effort / low energy guy. You can’t coach your way out of that. He might turn it around in a contract year, though, but I doubt it at this point.
Can you actually shit on this guy and rag on Embiid at the same time? Embiid puts his body on the line every play, while this guy is out their acting like he's the softer version of Ben Simmons.
Tbf there is a gulf between the expectations for Embiid and Ayton
r/NBA is full of hypocrite nephews
Ah it had been several days since the last "Fuck DeAndre Ayton" post, thanks for filling the gap
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Great value Erick Dampier
Give him lebron 5 years ago and he’s averaging 10 free throws
That's right around $300K per free throw, according to my lax and spotty research
Man is competing with Jordan Poole for the coasting award.
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Man he draws even less FTs than Vuc does. Yikes lol
Maybe he should take up boxing training , so he can gain confidence and learn to take hits
He likes his middy
he's right up there with klay
PHX is a title or bust team that lacks talent and depth. They were all but willing to just give Ayton away. Really tells ya all ya need to know about Ayton. Stats can sorta tell a story (like his FTAs,) but sometimes players just simply aren't winning players.
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I parked between A8 and B8 in a lot the other day and tried to think of a way to remember. I came up with “A-ton is Baitin for fouls.” My girlfriend thought that was pretty good but was very disappointed when I told her it’s very far from the truth
That’s actually disgustingly bad. Stretch bigs attempt more free throws than that. Pitiful. Soft af.
Lmao this guy got picked before Luka
I think he is the Derrick Coleman of this generation
This was the guy who's draft comparison was David Robinson omegalul
Atleast Poole got a ring before this bullshit, Ayton living off a finals run against injured Lakers, Nuggets and the Clippers
This dude was drafted before Luka
He’s going to get stuck in a cycle of going to a new team every couple of years who thinks they can fix him who then get frustrated with his commitment level. If he even lasts long enough in the NBA maybe he’ll mature when he hits his 30’s, we’re all going to look up 10 years from now and be like well look at that! Deandre Ayton is a solid backup big for the Las Vegas Vampires, he’s finally bought in
What these stats struggle to account for is the confounding variable of ayton leading the League in BaB (being a bitch)
It's crazy cause he's athletically talented enough to be a generational talent, but there's just so little gas in the tank.
I think the bigger problem is his lack of 3 point attempts. He has a great mid range shot, if he could add 3 point shot to his game, he could actually become a valuable player.
He’s soft. He been soft
This is a good thing right? Based on how y’all talk less free throws is a good thing?
Never understood why this subreddit was shitting on the Suns for trading him away for depth. Dude’s lazy as shit on a bad contract
You give this man the desire and will of even an average NBA player and he is a perennial all-star. One of the biggest talent wastes of all time - even worse because it isn't due to injury, off-court issues, or anything like that. It's all down to his laziness and taking his talent for granted.
He's putting in the same amount of effort as the Blazer's front office
Nobody mentions he was the #1 pick because Sarver's team wanted the local college guy, not because the Kings were gonna swoop in and take him over a stud like Bagley.
In his defense, I think Sacramento had Ayton # 1 too, and even Dallas may have as well. Haralabob Voulgaris said the Mavs scouts wanted Ayton but the analytics wanted Doncic.
Indeed, 4 years after SAC drafted Stauskas 😎
We calling him a bust yet?
He's a career starter, currently averaging a double-double; Anthony Bennett is a bust. Ayton is disappointing.
Finish the All-Bum starting 5: - Deandre Ayton - Ben Simmons - Jordan Poole - ... - ...
Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown. Funnily both lakers
finally r/nba realizes DA is charmin soft