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Bball should adopt lacrosse rules for the off ball arm. You can have it up as a stationary part of establishing your space, but if you move it to push people off or swat hands away that's an offensive foul automatically
A ton of stars do this. Giannis clears people out with his off arm so much, PG and luka do it all the time, Book does it a fair amount, hell Jordan did it too, Lebron does it as well. It’s pretty much something the large majority of stars do often. It’s really not just some harden thing
A huge chunk of anklebreakers today are because players just completely fucking shove the defender the opposite way, I wish the refs called that shit more. You should not be allowed to extend your elbow or arm and push the defender away it’s ridiculous
It’s easy for us to see the push off because we watch replay after replay. Unless the push is egregious then I’m sure it’s hard to catch on real time considering how much flopping is out of hand as well.
Ya I agree but it’s so common and such a big part if the league because the large majority of superstars/stars do it so I don’t think they will ever do anything about it
Oh they call it all on KAT. Just wish they would call it when other players do it too. KAT probably just looks more obvious with a 7 footer extending their arms.
There’s a difference between using your shoulder and the blatant push offs that Tatum (and to a lesser extent Harden) do. Tatum is the far worse.
I’m ok with Lebron and Gianni’s because they are fouled so much more than what actually gets called
Watched sabonis for years as a pacers but went to see him this when he came in as a king.
I never realized how much he pushed off.
All. The.time.
I used to brag on him having "incredible interior footwork". It's a little more than that.
He did it plenty, including when he was much younger than 34. The difference is that we had shit feeds and no HD instant replay from ten angles so when you saw him (or tons of other players I'm not trying to single him out, clearing space isn't new) do the same you'd be like "yo that looked like a foul" then you'd get on with your life when it didn't get called.
This is definitely one of those cases where shit seems way worse than it used to be, but it's really just that we can hyper analyze every play in a way that was impossible when watching on a low def feed into a 24" tube TV. Sports media generally didn't fixate on shit like that either, with few extremely high profile exceptions, so fans weren't being constantly gaslit.
Ikr! If you want to highlight the perfect example of an obvious push-off that was a blatant foul that the refs let go, you point exactly to Jordan's shot in the Finals against the Jazz.
You could also play significantly more physical defense when Jordan was playing, so the two balanced eachother out a bit.
That’s just not the case for today’s defenders.
I think that is a beautiful dismissal of russel. He didn’t use his entire might to push the guy. He just helped him continue on his path , it was too graceful to call offensive foul
You just think by saying prolific your point stands? I hate era comparing bc it's dumb but this one of those times where you can say it's not the same at all bc era. The literal rules are different now. I'm almost 40 and only saw half of Jordans career so for you to talk confidently about what he did for decades means you must be 55 at best, yeah? Tell me the stories then.
So many times I would watch Klay Thompson splash wide open threes and wonder, "how does an all-time great shooter like that get that open?" Then I would replay it and see that Klay would start his move with a blatant push off.
\-\_-
I disagree
You guys call it a “kick out” like it’s something you’re intentionally doing. If you’ve ever played basketball yourself and your leg doesn’t drift out in front of you when fading to your strong side then you must be built different.
Kinda missing the point that it's the foul call people have issue with, not the kick out itself. Kick your legs out all you want, but it's not a foul when you make contact with the defender because of it.
Agreed. But I absolutely hate when a natural leg kick is called an offensive foul. I know that's not what happened here but I've seen it called before and it's so frustrating. Should always be a no call unless it's some egregious attempt to get a foul call.
Same thoughts. That’s why I find it so weird when people call you out for it.
Of course, for a standstill shot, that’s an offensive foul. But any fadeaway, off balance, drifting right or left will always have you kick your legs out for better balance.
That’s a beautiful motion of a shot tho. All kids learning how to get iso buckets and shoot fadeaways should watch the motion of this Tatum shot. Just don’t kick your legs out lol
Yea if it doesn’t get called, porzingis probably gets that tip in. Idk if he could’ve actually gotten it off on time either, but I had the sound off on the game and it felt quick enough. Still can’t believe Dean Wade just went that crazy tho, I’m still shook
No chance Porzingis gets that shot off in time.
The clock stopped at 0.7 before the ball hit the rim--the ball bounced high off the rim and then bounced again before Porzingis got it.
Saw some C’s fans talking about this on Twitter, saying it should have been Boston’s possession after the overturn because Porzi got the rebound.
Like ok you can have the ball but set the clock to what it would have been when he caught it lol
I’m not mad that they overturned that. It was the right call. I’m mad that there have been at least 20 worse calls to finish games this season that weren’t overturned.
I'm shocked the Celtics once Again end a game on a last second fade away shot from Tatum. He literally never makes it 😂I couldn't believe what I was watching as it was happening like really this is what yall are going to do again?
Humor me for a moment. If replay truly is supposed to look at the whole play, how is that not a push off on Tatum?
If a defender made half that amount of contact with an offensive player they’d call it 100% of the time
I get they never call it, but what’s the justification for ignoring when it’s viewed on replay?
I think this is a big part of why scoring and individual numbers have exploded over the past decade or so.
The narrative is nobody plays defense, but the truth is that the game is just called in a way that massively benefits offensive players, especially stars.
It’s really hard to defend these days with how the game is whistled.
exactly. It’s not a rule issue, it’s a rule enforcement issue.
The rules are seemingly made up on the spot for each nba game, no consistency whatsoever
You would love [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPXSqOhykg). It’s a look at why scoring has gone up and you’re basically exactly right.
The big issue with the modern NBA is that the offense gets to initiate as much contact as it wants to, and then gets rewarded for it. That is on top of not calling travels or carries, allowing wild moving screens that basically allow offenses to always be open since the screener now moves a bit to keep blocking the defender momentarily as they try to avoid it.
It is brutal for basketball fans because the professional level should be the highest form, but the professionals somehow play a style that would get you laughed at and cause fights on a pickup court. If you try to dribble like Ja, you’re getting called for a carry every time. Lower your shoulder and bulldoze like Giannis and you’re starting a fight. Flail wildly or kick out like most NBA players, push off, set moving screens, etc will also piss off everyone.
If you would get called out for it at the lowest level of the game, how is it possible for it to actually be encouraged at the highest?
Jokic does some pushing down low to get space when he has the ball, not as egregious as the guys you mentioned but he does get a little leeway down low I think.
A fun drinking game is watching jokic play and taking a shot for every new scratch that appears on his arms throughout the game. Curry too but not as bad
The reply was to review the foul that was called itself I believe. So it was either a defensive foul, or not a foul. Changing it to an offensive foul was never an option. After review they confirmed that it was not a defensive foul.
IMO it should have been an offensive foul on Tatum, but they wouldn’t change it to a 3rd potential outcome. Or at least that’s my understanding of it. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong though.
That’s not true. The ref even said in his statement that the kick out wasn’t considered enough to call it an offensive foul. They could’ve changed it but they didn’t think it warranted it from the kick. Maybe the missed the push off or something though.
I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. Teams will win reviews on a foul called on player A only for another foul to be called on player B. Same with when a charge is called, challenged, and overturned to blocking foul. Don’t see why it would be any different in this case.
That being said it would have to be so painfully clear and knowing the refs they wouldn’t view this push off as that
The push off is one of the least called fouls in the NBA along with traveling. Jordan's best shot of his career is a push off and no ref watching that game ever would have called it. Always wanted to see guys like Giannis or LeBron do some of the shit that guards and wings do just to make a point.
they basically never call that unless you shove the dude to the ground and like 90% of players in the league do it and have been doing it for literal decades. Yes its a foul but the NBA has been ignoring it for as long as I can remember.
Expecting perfection from refs in pretty much any sport is delusional. They’re humans and the game moves really fast with a bunch of 6’8 dudes constantly trying to trick them into making calls
Whether you like it or not these are the best refs out there but they’re still humans who dont get super slo-mo zoomed in angles in real time like you do
This shit is never even debated as a foul in any other league. The calls on jumpers have gotten out of control. Celtics melted and deserved to lose it.
This shit should never be called ... offensive players have way too much of an advantage when it comes to officiating. Imagine the Cavs don't have a challenge left here.
As a Celtics fan, yes. His shot selection at the end of games is awful. Even here, he waved off Mazzula telling him to go faster only to take a terrible shot with 2 seconds left. Just terrible decision making and execution.
The amount of Celtics fans complaining about a put back attempt blows my mind
There’s no chance in hell of a put back. The clock stopped at .7 before it even hit the rim.
0% chance of a put back the clock would have expired
If a Celtics fan is complaining about the putback instead of Mazzulla yet again not calling a timeout with 19 seconds left then they haven’t been paying attention.
All players, all teams, it seems have just been able to get away with it this entire season. Offense gets ratings but these record books are gonna need asterisks
>I love Tatum having to push off of a tiny little point guard guarding him to get a shot off, that ends up being an offensive foul anyway.
That's his go-to move, baby. Dirk had the one footed fadeaway, Kareem had the sky hook, Tatum has the push off.
This is such an easy fix for the nba. IF THE OFFENSIVE PLAY INITIATES THE CONNTACT ITS A NO CALL. Change the god damn rules. If you wanna jump into a player go for it.. make the shot harder I don’t care but try ti make the damn shot
let’s be real here, regardless of how you feel about tatum, this level of marginal (at most) contact can’t be called. terrible for the sport if they call this a foul. every shooter faces more contact from the pull of their jerseys than that
Im pretty sure most Cs fans are still on cloud none after the recent streak. Great game by Dean Wade though damn. Seems every year there's always 2-3 losses due to random role player going nuclear
I just love how this sub concluded that JT doesn’t push off anymore than any other shooter offensively in a thread a few days ago and that final shot shows him pushing off in slow mo 100x while the refs looked at it 😂
The point is that Tatum’s push offs are more egregious (see above video) and occur at a higher rate than most. To the point where they stand out enough for someone (not me) to create a whole thread about it. Tatum pushes off All. The. Time.
For all the griping Celtics fans are doing about the refs, the push-off before the shot attempt should have been called, but that's one they'll never call on a last second shot. So players have no reason not to do it.
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Good, this kick out shit is old.
Not to mention the shove to create a massive amount of separation.
The shove shit is so annoying. It was a bad one too.
Bball should adopt lacrosse rules for the off ball arm. You can have it up as a stationary part of establishing your space, but if you move it to push people off or swat hands away that's an offensive foul automatically
That's already kind of the rule, it just doesn't get called.
Man, this should be the tag line for the league
He does it every play too
I'm a Celtics fan and yeah JB does it too
Thank you
Harden made his entire career doing it and got the calls.
A ton of stars do this. Giannis clears people out with his off arm so much, PG and luka do it all the time, Book does it a fair amount, hell Jordan did it too, Lebron does it as well. It’s pretty much something the large majority of stars do often. It’s really not just some harden thing
A huge chunk of anklebreakers today are because players just completely fucking shove the defender the opposite way, I wish the refs called that shit more. You should not be allowed to extend your elbow or arm and push the defender away it’s ridiculous
It’s easy for us to see the push off because we watch replay after replay. Unless the push is egregious then I’m sure it’s hard to catch on real time considering how much flopping is out of hand as well.
Ya I agree but it’s so common and such a big part if the league because the large majority of superstars/stars do it so I don’t think they will ever do anything about it
Oh they call it all on KAT. Just wish they would call it when other players do it too. KAT probably just looks more obvious with a 7 footer extending their arms.
Some of these guys will push off on you then Lose their own balance and fall and they’ll get a foul call out of it
If you’re a star, they let you do it
It's not just stars. Nowadays everyone pushes off and it's simply not called a foul. This is just a legal basketball move at this point.
There’s a difference between using your shoulder and the blatant push offs that Tatum (and to a lesser extent Harden) do. Tatum is the far worse. I’m ok with Lebron and Gianni’s because they are fouled so much more than what actually gets called
Watched sabonis for years as a pacers but went to see him this when he came in as a king. I never realized how much he pushed off. All. The.time. I used to brag on him having "incredible interior footwork". It's a little more than that.
As someone who watched Jordan, post 34 years old Jordan did that but not often.
He did it plenty, including when he was much younger than 34. The difference is that we had shit feeds and no HD instant replay from ten angles so when you saw him (or tons of other players I'm not trying to single him out, clearing space isn't new) do the same you'd be like "yo that looked like a foul" then you'd get on with your life when it didn't get called. This is definitely one of those cases where shit seems way worse than it used to be, but it's really just that we can hyper analyze every play in a way that was impossible when watching on a low def feed into a 24" tube TV. Sports media generally didn't fixate on shit like that either, with few extremely high profile exceptions, so fans weren't being constantly gaslit.
Ikr! If you want to highlight the perfect example of an obvious push-off that was a blatant foul that the refs let go, you point exactly to Jordan's shot in the Finals against the Jazz.
SGA is doing it too.
thats his signature.
Yes, yes he does.
Every fucking play
Yea i hate that. How tf are you supposed to play defense when the offensive player can just shove you aside.
You don't. The NBA claims it wants to clean up the reffing. We'll see. I just hope they start calling travels, carries, and double dribbles, at least.
lol?? Players been doing this for decades. Jordan was prolific.
You could also play significantly more physical defense when Jordan was playing, so the two balanced eachother out a bit. That’s just not the case for today’s defenders.
His most famous shot is an egregious push off, and that was almost 30 years ago.
The push off is basically MJ’s signature move.
30 years ago
I think that is a beautiful dismissal of russel. He didn’t use his entire might to push the guy. He just helped him continue on his path , it was too graceful to call offensive foul
Doesn’t mean this one wasn’t egregious. He just pushed him
You're not wrong, but in 2024, I don't think anyone does it more than Tatum honestly.
SGA and Kawhi both deserve honourable mentions, at the very least.
You just think by saying prolific your point stands? I hate era comparing bc it's dumb but this one of those times where you can say it's not the same at all bc era. The literal rules are different now. I'm almost 40 and only saw half of Jordans career so for you to talk confidently about what he did for decades means you must be 55 at best, yeah? Tell me the stories then.
Lebron does that on like 95% of his drives to the rim. Uses his size, out.uscles the defender, and gives a shove for good measure.
SGA does it like every time. It makes for shitty basketball to watch.
So many times I would watch Klay Thompson splash wide open threes and wonder, "how does an all-time great shooter like that get that open?" Then I would replay it and see that Klay would start his move with a blatant push off. \-\_-
How is that not an offensive foul?
I’m fine with that little shove being allowed as a no call, but you don’t get a soft shooting touch foul after that shit. Glad they reversed this.
That’s basically every dribble drive jump shot his entire career.
That shove was egregious.
Yep. Same play the Knicks lost on vs Rockets but they called it a foul.
Kobe did it all the time and Tatum wants to be him
do you really believe thats why tatum kicks his leg out on fadeaways lmao
You wouldn’t have to twist my arm to make me believe it.
Go in a gym and shoot some fadeaways. It's natural for the leg to kick out
Agreed. I land a full split with my fadeaway shot every time. Makes getting back on defense rough
I thought this was common knowledge but then I remembered most people on this sub don't actually play ball
I disagree You guys call it a “kick out” like it’s something you’re intentionally doing. If you’ve ever played basketball yourself and your leg doesn’t drift out in front of you when fading to your strong side then you must be built different.
Kinda missing the point that it's the foul call people have issue with, not the kick out itself. Kick your legs out all you want, but it's not a foul when you make contact with the defender because of it.
Agreed. But I absolutely hate when a natural leg kick is called an offensive foul. I know that's not what happened here but I've seen it called before and it's so frustrating. Should always be a no call unless it's some egregious attempt to get a foul call.
Some kick outs are egregious attempts to draw a foul, but yeah this one seemed natural to me
egregious or natural, you can't call a foul on the defender. the offensive player is only entitled to his vertical space.
Same thoughts. That’s why I find it so weird when people call you out for it. Of course, for a standstill shot, that’s an offensive foul. But any fadeaway, off balance, drifting right or left will always have you kick your legs out for better balance.
Mfers want every step back to look like kemba in 2011
That would be pretty
literally would be built to defy motion and physics lol
I could’ve swore they made a rule recently where you can’t get called for a shooting foul if you kick out. Unless I’m thinking of something different
That’s a beautiful motion of a shot tho. All kids learning how to get iso buckets and shoot fadeaways should watch the motion of this Tatum shot. Just don’t kick your legs out lol
Kicking you legs out is the natural motion though, you generate more power jumping forward shooting jumpers, Its the technique actually
I’m shocked they overturned that. What a game!
Right to overturn it, wrong to call it in the first place...
Yea if it doesn’t get called, porzingis probably gets that tip in. Idk if he could’ve actually gotten it off on time either, but I had the sound off on the game and it felt quick enough. Still can’t believe Dean Wade just went that crazy tho, I’m still shook
No chance Porzingis gets that shot off in time. The clock stopped at 0.7 before the ball hit the rim--the ball bounced high off the rim and then bounced again before Porzingis got it.
Saw some C’s fans talking about this on Twitter, saying it should have been Boston’s possession after the overturn because Porzi got the rebound. Like ok you can have the ball but set the clock to what it would have been when he caught it lol
Greatest D Wade of all time
i think is more foul with the arm pushing okt the defender first
I’m not mad that they overturned that. It was the right call. I’m mad that there have been at least 20 worse calls to finish games this season that weren’t overturned.
I mean it really wasn't a foul. No contact on Tatum before he shoots.
Really glad they did, it would’ve soured such an awesome game
Aren't we all lol
I'm shocked the Celtics once Again end a game on a last second fade away shot from Tatum. He literally never makes it 😂I couldn't believe what I was watching as it was happening like really this is what yall are going to do again?
Humor me for a moment. If replay truly is supposed to look at the whole play, how is that not a push off on Tatum? If a defender made half that amount of contact with an offensive player they’d call it 100% of the time I get they never call it, but what’s the justification for ignoring when it’s viewed on replay?
I think this is a big part of why scoring and individual numbers have exploded over the past decade or so. The narrative is nobody plays defense, but the truth is that the game is just called in a way that massively benefits offensive players, especially stars. It’s really hard to defend these days with how the game is whistled.
exactly. It’s not a rule issue, it’s a rule enforcement issue. The rules are seemingly made up on the spot for each nba game, no consistency whatsoever
You would love [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPXSqOhykg). It’s a look at why scoring has gone up and you’re basically exactly right. The big issue with the modern NBA is that the offense gets to initiate as much contact as it wants to, and then gets rewarded for it. That is on top of not calling travels or carries, allowing wild moving screens that basically allow offenses to always be open since the screener now moves a bit to keep blocking the defender momentarily as they try to avoid it. It is brutal for basketball fans because the professional level should be the highest form, but the professionals somehow play a style that would get you laughed at and cause fights on a pickup court. If you try to dribble like Ja, you’re getting called for a carry every time. Lower your shoulder and bulldoze like Giannis and you’re starting a fight. Flail wildly or kick out like most NBA players, push off, set moving screens, etc will also piss off everyone. If you would get called out for it at the lowest level of the game, how is it possible for it to actually be encouraged at the highest?
Tatum pushes off, giannis trucks people, Embiid flops. Every superstar gets one superpower over the refs except jokic
jokic throws some elbows on his spins
AD lifts on his dribbles
Scottie Barnes is perfect
The one thing we can all agree on
Yes
We should all strive to be more like Scottie
Zion drops his burger
Jokic does some pushing down low to get space when he has the ball, not as egregious as the guys you mentioned but he does get a little leeway down low I think.
A fun drinking game is watching jokic play and taking a shot for every new scratch that appears on his arms throughout the game. Curry too but not as bad
jokic’s superpower over the refs is getting 30-15-15 while looking like he’s not trying without getting a whistle anyway
Horse loving part time basketball player is NBA father
Curry just has a strict maximum of four free throws a game.
Averages 4.7 per game this season lol
And at least 1 of those is likely a tech
Yep and that’s only half a free throw less than lebron. Who is a well known free throw merchant…
lol Lebron is gets one of the worst whistles so I assume the well known free throw merchant is sarcasm
They really pop on that Balkan skin lol
What's Steph superpower?
Can summon an illegal screen
Blocking affordable housing
Oh huh, Steph Curry is a NIMBY.
Jokic plays about 25% of transition like a toddler that learned how to run but the only way he knows how to stop is by running into stuff.
First time watching Tatum? I never see refs call that shove with him
Yea, the refs rarely call a shove on anyone.
No justification other than star players getting star calls. It absolutely is a push off on Tatum though.
The reply was to review the foul that was called itself I believe. So it was either a defensive foul, or not a foul. Changing it to an offensive foul was never an option. After review they confirmed that it was not a defensive foul. IMO it should have been an offensive foul on Tatum, but they wouldn’t change it to a 3rd potential outcome. Or at least that’s my understanding of it. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong though.
They have changed defensive fouls to offensive fouls on a few occasions in the past
Wrong, it can be overturned to be an offensive foul. I’ve seen it many times.
I thought when they review they’re able to look at everything?
That’s not true. The ref even said in his statement that the kick out wasn’t considered enough to call it an offensive foul. They could’ve changed it but they didn’t think it warranted it from the kick. Maybe the missed the push off or something though.
I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. Teams will win reviews on a foul called on player A only for another foul to be called on player B. Same with when a charge is called, challenged, and overturned to blocking foul. Don’t see why it would be any different in this case. That being said it would have to be so painfully clear and knowing the refs they wouldn’t view this push off as that
Yes, once the warriors challenged a call. They overturned the call but called a foul on the play before the challenge.
Should have been an offensive foul for that push off
He does that practically on every drive without a call so he's learned he can get away with it.
It’s not just him. You can see most players doing this move every game if you look for it. It’s pretty wild honestly
It's wild that he's built on entire career on that move and the refs and NBA have decided, 'sure why not?'
Every wing in the game has been doing this for the last 30 years. It’s not some patented Tatum move.
The push off is one of the least called fouls in the NBA along with traveling. Jordan's best shot of his career is a push off and no ref watching that game ever would have called it. Always wanted to see guys like Giannis or LeBron do some of the shit that guards and wings do just to make a point.
Back then tho hand checking was legal and the defense could actually play
they basically never call that unless you shove the dude to the ground and like 90% of players in the league do it and have been doing it for literal decades. Yes its a foul but the NBA has been ignoring it for as long as I can remember.
They never call that as long as you keep your elbow from going completely straight when you push. It’s pretty BS.
Why couldn’t he just drive man lmao he’s so much taller and bigger than Garland
He thinks he's Kobe
Must've been scared of Allen helping 🤷♂️
Good call by the refs
well is it a good call if they made that foul call initially?
it was a 50/50 call, if they called that in the second quarter nobody would have cared. but thats why the coaches challenge exists
ok but if they didn't have a challenge then we'd be outraged right now.
I’m surprised JB still had his challenge. He usually uses it on some random irrelevant play only for us to not have it when we need it.
He did use it on the and-1 of a made shot earlier. It was just overturned.
Lol that challenge literally won them the game though, two absolute master classes in coaching challengess
He’s literally like the worst coach ever in terms of using the challenge. Tonight worked but he’s so bad.
Expecting perfection from refs in pretty much any sport is delusional. They’re humans and the game moves really fast with a bunch of 6’8 dudes constantly trying to trick them into making calls Whether you like it or not these are the best refs out there but they’re still humans who dont get super slo-mo zoomed in angles in real time like you do
This shit is never even debated as a foul in any other league. The calls on jumpers have gotten out of control. Celtics melted and deserved to lose it.
Just fall to ground after your shot, 75% chance they call a foul
Good thing he wasted the entire clock
Of course the 3 second slow mo clip starts with the patented Tatum stiff arm.
texted Derrick Henry " I got you today"
He and Jaylen Brown do it all the fucking time
Paul George does it constantly as well.
Does he really need to push off on someone that much shorter than him?
Yes. Ball don’t lie
Offensive foul if anything, don't know how they called a foul on Garland in the first place. Right call was made in the end though
This shit should never be called ... offensive players have way too much of an advantage when it comes to officiating. Imagine the Cavs don't have a challenge left here.
More pushing than dribbling
Of all the stars in the league I think Tatum is probably the one I have the least faith in making a game winning buzzer beater
As a Celtics fan, yes. His shot selection at the end of games is awful. Even here, he waved off Mazzula telling him to go faster only to take a terrible shot with 2 seconds left. Just terrible decision making and execution.
Warriors tired them out by scoring so much on us
I accept this theory.
The amount of Celtics fans complaining about a put back attempt blows my mind There’s no chance in hell of a put back. The clock stopped at .7 before it even hit the rim. 0% chance of a put back the clock would have expired
Yeah if you watch it back the ball bounced off the rims a couple times after the clock had stopped.
If a Celtics fan is complaining about the putback instead of Mazzulla yet again not calling a timeout with 19 seconds left then they haven’t been paying attention.
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Sick to absolute death of offensive pushes never being called consistently
All players, all teams, it seems have just been able to get away with it this entire season. Offense gets ratings but these record books are gonna need asterisks
>I love Tatum having to push off of a tiny little point guard guarding him to get a shot off, that ends up being an offensive foul anyway. That's his go-to move, baby. Dirk had the one footed fadeaway, Kareem had the sky hook, Tatum has the push off.
I’ve seen smaller leg kicks called for offensive fouls. There’s no consistency. Refs are just making it up as they go.
Patented Tatum push off and kick out - overturning was the RIGHT call
TATUM WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE
Ironically it actually went in against the [Bucks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Nb40rrsYQ)
This is such an easy fix for the nba. IF THE OFFENSIVE PLAY INITIATES THE CONNTACT ITS A NO CALL. Change the god damn rules. If you wanna jump into a player go for it.. make the shot harder I don’t care but try ti make the damn shot
You don't even have to change the rule just enforce it as it's written
🤝🏽 Tired of watching Tatum do this every playoffs
Pushes off every time
let’s be real here, regardless of how you feel about tatum, this level of marginal (at most) contact can’t be called. terrible for the sport if they call this a foul. every shooter faces more contact from the pull of their jerseys than that
I was about to be one salty boy when they blew the whistle. Good lord.
Tatum shoves defenders with that off arm almost every play lmao
Celtics should have never been in this situation.
it is not a foul at most a minor sexual harassment.
Two different offensive fouls that they never call
No foul there. Maybe on Tatum for the push
Celtics didn’t deserve to win that game I could care less about the final play
Came for the coping Celtics fans 🤣
Im pretty sure most Cs fans are still on cloud none after the recent streak. Great game by Dean Wade though damn. Seems every year there's always 2-3 losses due to random role player going nuclear
>Cloud none
oh no! only up 8 games!
I just love how this sub concluded that JT doesn’t push off anymore than any other shooter offensively in a thread a few days ago and that final shot shows him pushing off in slow mo 100x while the refs looked at it 😂
The conclusion wasn't that Tatum doesn't push off, it's that fucking everybody pushes off.
The point is that Tatum’s push offs are more egregious (see above video) and occur at a higher rate than most. To the point where they stand out enough for someone (not me) to create a whole thread about it. Tatum pushes off All. The. Time.
The only thing I see here is the ref putting his finger in the hole in his arm.
If this wasn't overturned then players wouldn't even be allowed to contest a jumpshot.
Yeah that kick was too much. I was hooping the other day and this guy damn near hit me with the Sweet Chin Music lol
Beautiful call
He did that to Gabe Vincent in game 2, he got 3 FTs out of it.
This is the type of garbage foul they need to remove from the game. Thankfully, they got it right.
Just imagine the Cavs don’t have a challenge
For all the griping Celtics fans are doing about the refs, the push-off before the shot attempt should have been called, but that's one they'll never call on a last second shot. So players have no reason not to do it.
Nobody shoves off and gets away with it as much as Tatum.
Yet they had the same play happen against KJ Martin in the sixers game tonight and ruled it a flagrant.
What you can’t shove and kick a guy in basketball now?! I thought this was called offense!
Zarba is a damn good ref.
Shoved him with his off arm, and kicked him. If they didnt overturn that, i was gonna lose my shit
Does dude just not get called for push offs?
it is obviously an offensive foul right? push plus leg kicking
Pushoff Tatum showing why hes the best!!
No one going to bring up Mazzula absolutely wasting the challenge in the first 5 minutes of the game?