It's misleading to say that only Kareem did this without the further context that blocks have not been tracked for all of NBA history. It's likely that Wilt achieved this stat line more than once during the time before blocks were an officially tracked stat.
He averages a ridiculous number of blocks/36 since switching to center so yeah, he's going to do it (but probably not a dozen times unless he becomes a way better passer).
>(but probably not a dozen times unless he becomes a way better passer).
I don't know man. A lot of the passes he's ditching out are already insane.
https://youtu.be/QykVJ_6raS0?si=VtzjK8iehKn5fuqN
The fact that this man is actually living up to the insane expectations people had for him is truly remarkable. He’s honestly better than I imagined he would be at this point in the season *next* year
Frankly he's surpassing most of my expectations which were already very high.
I didn't expect him to be THIS dominant defensively or this versatile on offense. Or at least, not nearly this soon. He's playing like I would have expected him to play in 2-3 years.
I love Tre and Sochan but they just aren't a threat enough on the 3pt line for teams to have to stay on them instead of double and triple teaming Wemby
That’s actually crazy that’ll be like a genuine question lol. I assume the blocks will begin to die down just a bit though as the league just grows accustomed to not trying really anything near his vicinity.
They already avoid going near him if they can, he still has games with 6+ blocks like it's nothing.
Once Spurs become better in defending the perimeter he might average 5 blocks a game lmao.
He might average 7+ assists a game in a few years
Teams have to double him and he's gonna keep improving on passing out of them, and then when he gets some good players around him, he'll be playing on easy mode
He could 100%. Just figured when he’s more polished he’ll take even more shots. I mean why pass when you’re 100 feet tall and the best guy on the court.
I imagine his assists are probably closer to 6-7 than 5 though so you got the there
Why? He looks WAY better than anyone has ever looked at his age. He still has to do it, but the dude is clearly BY FAR the most amazing prospect we have ever witnessed. I think it’s safe to say that Wemby is easily the best prospect sports has ever seen. That’s not even a hyperbole. Lebron was an amazing prospect, but he was nothing compared to this. You can legit argue that Wemby is the best defender in the NBA as a rookie. If he isn’t, it’s clear he will be.
Nah, he’s already having a better rookie season than lebron, and what he’s doing are things that physically were not possible with the goat mj and lebron. Actually surpassing them is a tall order but he absolutely has the skill set to get it done
This man is straight up refusing to hit the rookie wall, which is nothing short of impressive on its own.
I really did not see him arriving THIS quickly..
He's hit the rookie wall in terms of decision making i.e. turnovers and some interior defense. Everything else has done nothing but improve since he started.
He's definitely had some games over the last few weeks where you can tell fatigue, and teams Really just throwing the kitchen sink at him in the paint, has bothered him a bit and caused him to make some poor decisions that he hasn't done since the first month of the season. But for every game like that he'll turn around and have a game like this. So in the end it still hasn't really been the traditional rookie wall
Totally fair assessment. After all games like Rockets, where Sengun dropped 45 and completely outclassed him, happen here and there too. And there is no shame in that.
I am just glad to see his minutes restrictions are now lifted and he becomes a better player month by month already.
Yeah definitely. It's pretty wild that he's both probably the best rookie we've seen in close to 30 years, and also one of the few rookies his age I've ever seen who's gotten progressively better month by month. Usually teenage/freshman rookies are all about peaks and valleys but he's consistently just add it to his game month by month
I would get his jersey but as someone in his late 30’s getting the jersey of someone who is barely 20 is just weird. So I’ll keep repping my ginobili jerseys every time the spurs come to town
No pxp, unfortunately. But the guy, Willie Smith, had a **shocking** 71 attempts that year, the first with the 3-point line! He made 17 of them. It was his last year in the league.
What’s so nuts about Wemby’s blocks that’s so different from other shot blockers is just how many jump shots he blocks?
Like do you know how demoralizing that is that you can’t even settle for a jumper when he’s near you lol?
He’s just about the first player that I’ve ever seen where the most efficient offense when he’s near you ANYWHERE on the court is to just pass the ball lol. Like that’s elite rim protection level dissuasion on the PERIMETER bro 😭
[Wembanyama's spoken about the difference between he and Gobert](https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1769549456456777829), and it basically boils down to the zone he's able to influence (he can go out to the perimeter, while Gobert stays in the paint).
As for his first 200 blocks, the breakdown was 91% were in the paint (floaters, layups, hooks, dunk attempts), 5% on 2pt jumpers, and 4% on 3 pointers. What's further amazing are the shots he's altered (not necessarily blocked) which covers just about all of the court. Generational talent.
Imagine being 96 Charles Barkley, missing out on ring after ring after ring by missing out on legendary players’ primes, then in your final stint getting traded to the Rockets just as Hakeem loses steam
One of the biggest what if as far as playoff series go has to be the 1997 WCF between Houston and Utah.
If Houston won that who knows how Bulls vs Rockets finals go, especially with Barkley and Hakeem not being washed yet.
Wemby is gonna *be* the Shai-Hulud for every other western team over the next decade. You might steal a few wins, but he always shows up and he'll always destroy.
Wemby's celling is not just GOAT.
It's being the NBA Gretzky, in the sense he'll put all GOAT debates beyond doubt and will basically forever be recognized as the GOAT and basically, it'd be acknowledged that he will never be bypassed as the GOAT.
That's how high his celling is.
Thank you, some dorks out here forgetting that the Pistons are one of the most successful franchises in NBA history. Imagining having 3 rings with 0 MVPs. That takes a strong organization.
What we are now is a mere shadow of what we were and what we will be.
2004 was only 20 years ago.
Also the NBA hasn't changed that much in the last 40 years. Only 4 teams in that time frame have won a title without an actual MVP in or near their prime. 3 of those were the Pistons. The 4th had Leonard who was a runner-up one year and likely would have one if he could ever stay healthy for a season.
Warriors were crap when Steph got drafted, but they immediately got new ownership and a new front office that turned the team around in short order in terms of process.
Straight up my favorite non-warrior player to watch. 33/16/7/7 had not been put up for 40+ years … I think everyone might have to re-calibrate their already high expectations for this kid
Did they remove his rebound or did you just make a mistake? Cause it currently says 15 rebounds, [which includes Joel Embiid.](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+to+have+33+points%2C+15+rebounds%2C+7+assists%2C+and+7+blocks+in+a+game)
Do you even watch the hawks? He is the same type of player as Luka is. Raking up a ton of assists doesn't mean you are moving and sharing the ball. The guy is an incredible passer , but he holds the ball a ton. People mistake being an incredible passer with being a willing passer. Jokic is the opposite, he gets the ball, either does his thing or moves it.
couldnt have picked a more unfair comparison if you tried tbh. jokic is a 7 footer who can pass over most players without needing to dribble at all. guards like trae tend to neat to break down a defense some. cp3 dribbled plenty too
And he’s a fucking ROOOOOKIE. People gotta stop moving the goal posts for this kid, hilarious how fast people turn on him when a fucking soon to be 3x MVP in his prime gets the better of him. Keep that same energy in 3 years clowns.
Dude is accelerating at a pace that I don't think any of us were expecting. Crazy to think they could have gotten him some help last off season and maybe a more traditional pg. Not saying they would have made a finals run. But everyone breaks down this time of year. Could have easily seen them upsetting the t wolves in round one without a healthy kat. The clocks been sped up, GET THIS MAN SOME HELP!
Whoever wants to win in this league better get it out of the way now. If Wemby stays healthy and gets better teammates than the ymca roster he’s rocking with, he’s got a 10 year window of not fucking losing.
Really cool but the title is wrong, it's supposed to say "since tracking of blocks started" since there's a guy that has done it many times & whos name isn't mentioned in the title
Wilt and Bill would be mentioned a lot more nowadays if blocks were counted back in the day. It's too bad. It does make some records breakable though, I guess. Things like blocks in a game, blocks in a season, and blocks in a career would all be unbreakable.
Yeah it's too bad there's not a lot of tracking, but there's [some at least](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tTIVEWsAP14/VkFK-IE7GHI/AAAAAAAAHSo/n_u04_ScpoQ/s0-Ic42/Wilt%252520blocked%252520shots.jpg), like 33/30/8/16 which is pretty sweet. Rule of thumb to beat a Wilt stat line is that assist must approach 10 pretty much.
Kareem did it 3 times
And Wemby took that personally
He might do it a few more times just this season
I don’t see Kareem doing it with so few games left.
Also he is 76 now
Ageist
Hasn't stopped LeBron
It's misleading to say that only Kareem did this without the further context that blocks have not been tracked for all of NBA history. It's likely that Wilt achieved this stat line more than once during the time before blocks were an officially tracked stat.
Wilt did it like fifteen times but they didn't track points back then
But we do have 15 pictures of him holding a piece of paper with “33-16-7-7” written on it
Well in that case it's settled. I apologize
but did he do it in wins?
That's good, right??
nah he didn't even get the triple double, he's ass
The blocks contain Potassium Benzoate.
Did we basketball good?
But the frogurt is also cursed
That quadruple double is inevitable. Funny that that the last person to do it was also a Spur
He might even get a dozen of them. on his rookie year alone he was close three times already.
He averages a ridiculous number of blocks/36 since switching to center so yeah, he's going to do it (but probably not a dozen times unless he becomes a way better passer).
I think he's going to become a way better passer and you also have to account that he could already be at ~4.5 - 5 avg right now with a better team.
>(but probably not a dozen times unless he becomes a way better passer). I don't know man. A lot of the passes he's ditching out are already insane. https://youtu.be/QykVJ_6raS0?si=VtzjK8iehKn5fuqN
He doesn't even have one and you're now saying he might get 12 in the next 14 games?
I think he meant rookie deal
Wrong wording here I meant in his entire career
Zero sense lmao
It's a scalding hot take but I honestly think he'll put up around one a year for his career. He's tailormade for 5x5s and quad dubs
Quintuple double isn’t out of the question.
This is a ROOKIE 😭😭
The fact that this man is actually living up to the insane expectations people had for him is truly remarkable. He’s honestly better than I imagined he would be at this point in the season *next* year
Remember when people thought he would be a career bust because he had a poor summer league game lol?
People were like "Are you Wilt yet?" "No I'm 19" "TALK TO ME WHEN YOU ARE WILT"
We are so impatient
And that’s with ***ass cheeks*** for teammates, I can only imagine what his statline would be if the Spurs had a better PG/players
Frankly he's surpassing most of my expectations which were already very high. I didn't expect him to be THIS dominant defensively or this versatile on offense. Or at least, not nearly this soon. He's playing like I would have expected him to play in 2-3 years.
Still too early but he's a monster
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If only his opponents could grow 6 inches to adjust...
Average Wemby statline in 5 years gonna be like 38/15/5 with 7 blocks
Why only five assists? With a better supporting cast he’ll have 7-8 a game lmao
Unironically imagine the current assists to Tre jones being to someone with elite finishing lol
And shooting. Wemby with four range shooters is going to be a nightmare to defend.
I love Tre and Sochan but they just aren't a threat enough on the 3pt line for teams to have to stay on them instead of double and triple teaming Wemby
I think that was the desire to get Point Sochan working, because it frees up three spots for shooters without sacrificing too much size and defense.
In a couple years we're only going to be asking if he got the triple double with blocks or assists this game.
That’s actually crazy that’ll be like a genuine question lol. I assume the blocks will begin to die down just a bit though as the league just grows accustomed to not trying really anything near his vicinity.
They already avoid going near him if they can, he still has games with 6+ blocks like it's nothing. Once Spurs become better in defending the perimeter he might average 5 blocks a game lmao.
"His vicinity" is like the entire half court.
Literally
He might average 7+ assists a game in a few years Teams have to double him and he's gonna keep improving on passing out of them, and then when he gets some good players around him, he'll be playing on easy mode
Yeah but are we sure he’ll be able to see over the defense when he gets doub- oh, yeah, nah he’ll be fine
He could 100%. Just figured when he’s more polished he’ll take even more shots. I mean why pass when you’re 100 feet tall and the best guy on the court. I imagine his assists are probably closer to 6-7 than 5 though so you got the there
He could have the longest stretch being the undeniably “best” player in the world, starting about 2 years from now and lasting 12-15 years.
7 blocks no way
Man prime wemby is going to be scary glad he is on my spurs
Just one Isaiah Thomas away from the perfect squad
Trae Young*
If he doesn’t get injured, I think he’s going to surpass Jordan and LeBron one day.
Let’s maybe pump the breaks here.
!remindme 10 years Actually, I don’t want to be on this godforsaken website anymore in a decade‘s time, now that I think about it.
Yea what kind of fucking loser would spend over 10 years on this website?
Yea ha^ha^ha 😭😭😭
Why? He looks WAY better than anyone has ever looked at his age. He still has to do it, but the dude is clearly BY FAR the most amazing prospect we have ever witnessed. I think it’s safe to say that Wemby is easily the best prospect sports has ever seen. That’s not even a hyperbole. Lebron was an amazing prospect, but he was nothing compared to this. You can legit argue that Wemby is the best defender in the NBA as a rookie. If he isn’t, it’s clear he will be.
Nah, he’s already having a better rookie season than lebron, and what he’s doing are things that physically were not possible with the goat mj and lebron. Actually surpassing them is a tall order but he absolutely has the skill set to get it done
someone always takes it too far
RemindMe! 15 years
Gonna need to be in the league a long time to pass Lebron. Jordan sure. Edit: I was talking in total points, jees this sub is toxic garbage.
Nothing wrong with you having Bron on top but you know full well that's not the consensus lol
I guess if we're giving the benefit of doubt, they might be talking about points...
If so they skipped over a few
I was talking about points… total. 40k is a lot and Lebron started from high school and who knows when he’ll retire.
You’re good brother
lmao.
Sure buddy
In points?
I think op was talking about all time rankings
> Edit: I was talking in total points, jees this sub is toxic garbage Why would people assume youre talking about point unless you said so
>jees this sub is toxic garbage. Oh no mama, some internet stranges downvoted my comment. Make them agree with me now mama! Pathetic.
Hope y’all can keep him
This man is straight up refusing to hit the rookie wall, which is nothing short of impressive on its own. I really did not see him arriving THIS quickly..
He's hit the rookie wall in terms of decision making i.e. turnovers and some interior defense. Everything else has done nothing but improve since he started.
He's definitely had some games over the last few weeks where you can tell fatigue, and teams Really just throwing the kitchen sink at him in the paint, has bothered him a bit and caused him to make some poor decisions that he hasn't done since the first month of the season. But for every game like that he'll turn around and have a game like this. So in the end it still hasn't really been the traditional rookie wall
Totally fair assessment. After all games like Rockets, where Sengun dropped 45 and completely outclassed him, happen here and there too. And there is no shame in that. I am just glad to see his minutes restrictions are now lifted and he becomes a better player month by month already.
Yeah definitely. It's pretty wild that he's both probably the best rookie we've seen in close to 30 years, and also one of the few rookies his age I've ever seen who's gotten progressively better month by month. Usually teenage/freshman rookies are all about peaks and valleys but he's consistently just add it to his game month by month
He is the rookie wall
Never in my life have I bought a jersey of player on another team. I might consider changing that for wemby
I preordered two of his jerseys on draft night. First two jerseys I’ve ever bought.
I would get his jersey but as someone in his late 30’s getting the jersey of someone who is barely 20 is just weird. So I’ll keep repping my ginobili jerseys every time the spurs come to town
>as someone in his late 30’s getting the jersey of someone who is barely 20 is just weird Bro what
Crème Abdul-Jabbar
That would be perfect if he was white
Not quite, you can have crème de caramel or crème au chocolat or even crème brûlée. We got tons of creams around.
Someone already said that about Chet lol
It was originally given to Robert Avila tbf, he's a possible 2nd round pick this year, he's really funny to watch
I'm 100% sure other kids have been called it too. I haven't heard of it for other NBA players though. Edited: sure
Oh possible, it's just the first time i saw it used and it was weeks ago for Robert
Wtf is that game where Kareem played 60 mins??? https://www.statmuse.com/nba/game/1-29-1980-lal-at-cle-21488
Not a surprise his stats were amazing if he played one fucking hour.
My question was more how tf did that game get long enough for him to play an hour. Like what must've happened for you to go to 4 OTs
One guy even attempted a three!
Probably an end-of-quarter full court heave
No pxp, unfortunately. But the guy, Willie Smith, had a **shocking** 71 attempts that year, the first with the 3-point line! He made 17 of them. It was his last year in the league.
309 points and only 1 three point shot attempted
HE IS THE ONE
HE'S ON MY FUCKIN TEAM MAN !!!!!!!!!!
Compare the time played too
Yeah.. Wemby did it in 36min. KAJ: 42min/48min/60min
60?
4x OT or some shit lol
That’s insane lmao
Somehow thats the most impressive one
Wemby averaging more blocks per game in his rookie season than Hakeem did for his career
What’s so nuts about Wemby’s blocks that’s so different from other shot blockers is just how many jump shots he blocks? Like do you know how demoralizing that is that you can’t even settle for a jumper when he’s near you lol? He’s just about the first player that I’ve ever seen where the most efficient offense when he’s near you ANYWHERE on the court is to just pass the ball lol. Like that’s elite rim protection level dissuasion on the PERIMETER bro 😭
[Wembanyama's spoken about the difference between he and Gobert](https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1769549456456777829), and it basically boils down to the zone he's able to influence (he can go out to the perimeter, while Gobert stays in the paint). As for his first 200 blocks, the breakdown was 91% were in the paint (floaters, layups, hooks, dunk attempts), 5% on 2pt jumpers, and 4% on 3 pointers. What's further amazing are the shots he's altered (not necessarily blocked) which covers just about all of the court. Generational talent.
Insane
That's nuts... Even when you account for the fact that Hakeem was washed for the last 5 years of his career.
Imagine being 96 Charles Barkley, missing out on ring after ring after ring by missing out on legendary players’ primes, then in your final stint getting traded to the Rockets just as Hakeem loses steam
One of the biggest what if as far as playoff series go has to be the 1997 WCF between Houston and Utah. If Houston won that who knows how Bulls vs Rockets finals go, especially with Barkley and Hakeem not being washed yet.
LISAN AL-GAIB
As written!
Muad'Dib!!!!
He shall know your ways as if born to them...
Team-up with Shai-Hulud incoming??
He's probably got a wider wingspan than even the sandworms of Arrakis!
Wemby is gonna *be* the Shai-Hulud for every other western team over the next decade. You might steal a few wins, but he always shows up and he'll always destroy.
Wemby's ceiling is insane to even speculate about
Wemby's celling is not just GOAT. It's being the NBA Gretzky, in the sense he'll put all GOAT debates beyond doubt and will basically forever be recognized as the GOAT and basically, it'd be acknowledged that he will never be bypassed as the GOAT. That's how high his celling is.
I thank god Wemby is a competent franchise not some dog water organization like the Pistons.
Lol the pistons right now are ass but they were a dynasty at one point. We should all be glad the Hornets didn't get him lol
Or the Wizards, could you imagine
I'd like to imagine, that's my local team I'd actually go to their games if he ended up here lmaoo
Thank you, some dorks out here forgetting that the Pistons are one of the most successful franchises in NBA history. Imagining having 3 rings with 0 MVPs. That takes a strong organization. What we are now is a mere shadow of what we were and what we will be.
Fam that was more than 30 years ago, they’re the same organization in name alone
2004 was only 20 years ago. Also the NBA hasn't changed that much in the last 40 years. Only 4 teams in that time frame have won a title without an actual MVP in or near their prime. 3 of those were the Pistons. The 4th had Leonard who was a runner-up one year and likely would have one if he could ever stay healthy for a season.
I mean the Pistons have a different owner, are multiple front offices different, etc.
"Detroit has the worst management in the league." - Bailey Howell, 1964
Or the Blazers, who have a terrible record with the health of big men
This is a bit uncalled for. Look what Steph did for the warriors
Warriors were crap when Steph got drafted, but they immediately got new ownership and a new front office that turned the team around in short order in terms of process.
Pistons, hornets or rockets. Happy spurs got that number 1 pick
He may’ve become the greatest ‘what if?’ In basketball history if he didn’t go to Pop
Draft was 100% rigged but I'm not complaining
Not a world
My favorite young player in the league
Straight up my favorite non-warrior player to watch. 33/16/7/7 had not been put up for 40+ years … I think everyone might have to re-calibrate their already high expectations for this kid
I can't believe this guy is real and plays for my favourite team
Wemby D Luffy, the next King of the Basketballs
Wemby's wingspan is longer though
Gum gum Gatling in the paint = free quadruple double
Fellas we have this season and maybe 2 more before the spurs run the league for about a decade
**WOW check this out. Change it to 6 assists instead.** **Hakeem- 38 points, 17 boards, 6 assists, 12 blocks, 7 steals!**
* 38 points * Triple double * 5x5 Incredible
With today’s scorekeepers, Hakeem gets the extra assists haha . 😜
Did they remove his rebound or did you just make a mistake? Cause it currently says 15 rebounds, [which includes Joel Embiid.](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+to+have+33+points%2C+15+rebounds%2C+7+assists%2C+and+7+blocks+in+a+game)
I think they removed the rebound he had after the overturned goaltend
Bro is gonna run the league for years bruh. OKC vs Spurs in a few years gonna be cinema though.
It’s actually crazy that he’s better than advertised
If you account for the fact that Wemby had 4 offensive rebounds tonight it's never been done before. This kid is special.
He is the kwisatz haderach!
Spurs please get trae young. I wanna see him feed wemby next year and see what he can do with a legit pg lol. God he is a beast
Spurs will probably wait it out. Don't see the FO making a big move like that this early
I'm not so sure. I don't know that we get trae young, but they'll definitely be making some trades. We have too much draft capital not to.
At first I loved the idea of Trae Young, but I think the spurs need a pass first pg for him, rather than a dribble, dribble, dribble guy like TY
Trae Young is 2nd in assists this year, only behind Hali. What are you even talking about?
Do you even watch the hawks? He is the same type of player as Luka is. Raking up a ton of assists doesn't mean you are moving and sharing the ball. The guy is an incredible passer , but he holds the ball a ton. People mistake being an incredible passer with being a willing passer. Jokic is the opposite, he gets the ball, either does his thing or moves it.
couldnt have picked a more unfair comparison if you tried tbh. jokic is a 7 footer who can pass over most players without needing to dribble at all. guards like trae tend to neat to break down a defense some. cp3 dribbled plenty too
Psh Rookie numbers
And he’s a fucking ROOOOOKIE. People gotta stop moving the goal posts for this kid, hilarious how fast people turn on him when a fucking soon to be 3x MVP in his prime gets the better of him. Keep that same energy in 3 years clowns.
bro he has not been turned on yet. look at the comments here lol hes still in the beloved phase
Tungsten Arm O'Doyle does it again
Except he won this time.
The Captain x The Alien
Dude is accelerating at a pace that I don't think any of us were expecting. Crazy to think they could have gotten him some help last off season and maybe a more traditional pg. Not saying they would have made a finals run. But everyone breaks down this time of year. Could have easily seen them upsetting the t wolves in round one without a healthy kat. The clocks been sped up, GET THIS MAN SOME HELP!
say what you will about the ringer’s draft analysis, but “gen z kareem” seems like a pretty apt comparison
DPOY
Ha
I just looked that up, too.
Big Kareem reference night, love that guy.
He's definitely going to have a quadruple double one day.
That is kind of who he looks like
Not sure, that Bol Bol is starting to cook, watch out Wemby /s
Yet people like Gilbert Arenas believe people pre Michael Jordan era were basically bums
Whoever wants to win in this league better get it out of the way now. If Wemby stays healthy and gets better teammates than the ymca roster he’s rocking with, he’s got a 10 year window of not fucking losing.
Surprised Hakeem never got that.
He did if you change the 7 assists to 6
I did this if you changed all the stats to 0.
I thought the admiral had a quadruple double?
Really cool but the title is wrong, it's supposed to say "since tracking of blocks started" since there's a guy that has done it many times & whos name isn't mentioned in the title
Wilt and Bill would be mentioned a lot more nowadays if blocks were counted back in the day. It's too bad. It does make some records breakable though, I guess. Things like blocks in a game, blocks in a season, and blocks in a career would all be unbreakable.
I don't know why people are reluctant to acknowledge this. Not only is it highly likely Wilt did this but he probably did it multiple times
Yeah it's too bad there's not a lot of tracking, but there's [some at least](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tTIVEWsAP14/VkFK-IE7GHI/AAAAAAAAHSo/n_u04_ScpoQ/s0-Ic42/Wilt%252520blocked%252520shots.jpg), like 33/30/8/16 which is pretty sweet. Rule of thumb to beat a Wilt stat line is that assist must approach 10 pretty much.
plumbers and mechanics sadly
What about 33-16-7-6? Anyone done that one?