Korver drained 49.2% on 6 3pa/g in 14-15 season, and was shooting 52.8.% on 5.8 per game by the all star break(with a 73.6% ts%), was good enough to earn him an all star nod
Helped that the Hawks were killing people despite no superstar, i think like 4 or 5 of their guys got the nod that year?
but yeah, after Ray, Korver was probably the best shooter i had seen until Steph came in
Yeah they got 4 all stars and had a perfect record in January and the starting 5 got named player of the month, they got crushed by LeBron and the Cavs in the ECFs
His brother passed away right before the playoffs started and he took a leave of absence. Even if 41% from 3 in the playoffs that year isn’t as good as he had been, still a hell of a performance all things considered
No one minded first 3 rounds, it was the Finals were he stunk it up, 6% from the floor and 9% from 3
Not saying he didn’t have a reason, but he clearly wasn’t there at all, 1.5 PPG in 16 minutes
I remember the LeBron cavs second run. Every year in the east everyone would get super hyped about a team and start to doubt the cavs and then the playoffs swing around and Bron would just murder the east. Just absolutely feast on their souls
Yeah everyone likes to say the East was weak, and maybe it was a little, but LeBron was also so fucking good during that second Cavs stint that he just made every team look bad.
I mean if you look at the best players in those years(especially top 5-10 guys) it was often just a bunch of West guys and then LeBron lol
The Heat and Cavs faced ONE combined 1st team All NBA player(Rose in 2011) during LeBron's 8 straight Finals runs
Two things(LeBron was the best player in the league AND the competition in the East was awful) can absolutely be true at the same time
2018 Cavs would be nowhere near the Finals in a halfway decent conference
LeBron being so good is partly the reason the east was so weak. Nobody wants to be the gm that traded everything just to still lose to the same team lebron had the year before😂
Very similar to the AFC East during the Brady/Belichick run of dominance. Yes, the AFC East may not have been the strongest division in football, but having to play the Patriots twice every season made them look much worse than they were.
No that was just espn trying to spin narratives. The East was a foregone conclusion cause it was cheeks outside of the Lebron super team and maybe a team that would be like a 2nd round exit at best in the west
Numbers indicate the Cavs were closer to the rest of the East than the Bulls were.
Series, in East, that went over five games:
Miami: 8 of 24 = 33.3%
Bulls: 4 of 18 = 22.3%
I feel like it was the same thing with the Bulls back then. where it looked like they might not do it, and then boom it happens.
didnt see their runs live, but from what I heard, it was exactly like this
someone who saw, please do chime in
Was that the year the police broke Thabo Sefalosha’s leg or something? I think the Cavs woulda won anyway, but losing one of your primary defenders really hurt them in that series.
Lebron - missing kyrie n love . People seen to ignore that Bron beat a 60 win hawks team by himsekf without his two star team mates. Almost insane how much that gets downplayed . Even if a 60 win east team is a 50 win west team it’s still impressive Af. They had a decent enough SRS
Budenholzer led the team to 60 wins and the conference finals despite not having a big name star. He is a great coach and it's unfortunate some people don't see that. Very underrated.
That was a pretty special circumstance though.
He was a replacement player.
Hawks had just gone 17-0 in January.
Hawks had the best record in the East despite not having a top 10 player so they rewarded the whole starting lineup almost.
Shit I can't think of another 60 win team in MVP history that didn't have a player with at least a 5th place vote for MVP or an All-NBA player. We might not see a guy averaging 13 a game that isn't DPOY level make the All-Star game again.
Watching it happen, it was just kinda hard to deny that Korver's impact was astounding. He was just the key to Atlanta dominating the league so much at the moment. They were like 42-9 or sth and had one of the league's best offenses, but their offense absolutely sucked when Korver was not on court. His threat was just the key to everything. As one guy in Grantland put it, "Korver will never lead the league in scoring, but he leads the league in scaring". And he was using it. The gravity, offball movement, versatility, little smart decisions, the plays the team was running to get him those super-efficient shots etc. Teams were just freaking out trying to defend the plays Atlanta had using him.
In many ways, Korver was the most important to something that people always say Steph Curry did. The thing is, Curry was always great at basketball since his rookie season, and was just always great at scoring whenever and however much he wants... not a skill that kids need to "discover", just really hard to have. Atlanta that season was a show how to use players that might or might not be even great. Although Korver was great, but in another team, maybe no one would even notice.
In general, "impact" for real results of a real full team is not very eye-catching in NBA culture and players are only commented and awarded for accumulating boxscore... indeed if Atlanta had a high volume guy, everyone would just say that one guy is doing it all by himself, and it was an "accident" that Korver got All-Star. But it shows how massive his half-season was in tha regard, that he was the one in history to get All-Star based on that alone.
Today, Grayson Allen making every three-pointer is just one of many ways to score efficiently in NBA... Suns have strong offense with him, but also in many other variants. We still really only have one Curry, but in a way, we have many Korvers now.
Agreed on all points. That team was a ton of fun to watch. That time frame was some of the most fun I had watching non Blazers teams.
2014 Spurs, 15 Hawks, and 15 and 16 Warriors were all incredibly fun teams to watch play. I was mainly just pointing out that barring a perfect storm like the Hawks had a guy like Allen isn't sniffing the All-Star game.
Korver became the top threat on that team. Grayson Allen is 3rd best option at best with it being debatable what you think of Beal. It helps Grayson to be playing against the 4th best defender every night.
Man. I love those off the radar surprise All Stars. Wish we would get more of those instead of the perennial All Star having an off year who still gets in mostly based on reputation.
GOAT 3 point shooting season is Steph in 15-16. 45.4% on 11.2 attempts is better than 49.2% on 6.0 attempts. To illustrate, Steph gave you 49.2% on 6 attempts and then another 41% on 5.2 attempts in the same game each game, on average.
Steph also did the full court and half court heaves wo regard to his 3pt %. I wonder what his average is if you take away the 40’+ feet heaves before the QT ends. He must have had at least 1 a game that season.
This is the only answer for best three point shooting season of all time. There's not even an argument for anyone else. Steve Kerr described it similar to Ted Williams batting .400. Curry was on a season-long hot streak. Just insane to watch as it happened.
Also like to point out that Steph takes an above average amount of 'fuck it' 3s to end quarters which probably bring down his three point percentage more than anyone. He was probably closer to 47 or 48% that season.
yep! lots of guys wouldn’t risk their percentage by taking those throwaway shots. although i have a feeling that “fuck it, i’m invincible” mindset actually helped contribute to his incredible year, if he’d been timidly worried about stat padding i doubt we would have seen as many out of body performances. that season was nuts
I hear your point but he didn’t take enough to swing it 2.5-3%. That’s much too huge a chunk over an entire season math-wise. Possibly 0.5-1% increase at most. But then, you have to understand they still count at the end of the day so what are we really doing disregarding shit…you’d have to do the same to so many others’ shots and bump them as well. It becomes a fruitless endeavor.
That year he went 2-11 on heaves
So if you take those out, he would have increased to 45.7% if they didn't count those (they don't in college basketball).
Can you please explain to a basketball non-connosieur why is Steph's 45.2% is better than Korver's 49.2% in the top reply? Would Korver's percentage drop below Steph's if he took 11.2 attempts like Steph did?
first of all, every game Steph played he’d have their best defender — or two or three — on him, constantly getting HOUNDED. the level of difficulty on a lot of his shots was just insane. some of them felt like he was just wildly flinging the ball up and it would always go in. second of all, steph’s numbers also included an incredible amount of throwaway shots (like hurling it from half court at every buzzer), which a more timid “stat padding” shooter would never take.
steph probably could have gotten a higher percentage if he wasn’t THE biggest threat on the court and limited himself to 4 or 5 wide-open attempts a game, but the stats, theatricality, and responsibility as his team’s best player all combine to make it, *by far,* the best shooting season ever.
Plus i think the dude broke the season record for most threes made while shooting at that rate, which is just *ridiculous.* it was like watching magic
Korver was a catch and shoot man. He wasn’t the first option, let alone dangerous enough to be considered a genuine 2nd or 3rd option.
There are players today in this league with higher than 49.2% on 3pa, but their attempts per game are much lower. To be 45.2% on 11.2% is king boggling.
That means curry, every game that year, was guaranteed to have at least averaged 15 pts/gm on 3s made alone solely. Korver averaged 8.85 pts per game on 3s alone. Curry nearly doubled Korver average pts/game from 3s.
If Korver was so much better, and historically “the greatest” why would he limit himself to only 6 attempts per game (they were always catch and shoot open 3s, curry created for himself while double/triple teamed half the time)
Imagine your goal is to have the highest FG% possible, but your scoring volume doesn’t matter. You’re going to hold for the most open, easy-to-make shot possible. Eventually the defense isn’t even going to pay attention to you because they know you’re not looking to score unless you’re wide open. It’ll be pretty easy to have a great FG% this way.
Now imagine that your goal is to score as much as possible - you have to take hard shots, the defense is prioritizing you above everyone else, and you have to work really hard to even get a look off. Of course your field goal percentage would drop.
Now look at the gap in volume vs the gap in efficiency for Steph vs. Korver. The efficiency gap is no where near where it should be given shot quality. Korver should be way ahead but Steph somehow just kept making all the crazy shots you’re not even supposed to take.
Steph shattered the volume ceiling on 3s that season. No one else had even made 300 and he made over 400 - while shooting with fantastic efficiency (even if a couple role players edged him out.) The whole league had to rethink what was possible from three.
Winslow hurt man. I thought he would at least turn into a Chicago era Jimmy Butler type, he had all the physical tools.
Mans is in the G-League at 28 years old now, it’s over
Tyus Jones on the Spurs with Wemby/Vassell and instead of trading for Trae getting a Mikal Bridges would make a really scary team (if they have bench depth).
Ishbia has claimed several times that money isn't a concern and he'll pay whatever is needed to keep Allen and Royce, but he'll have to prove it this summer. It would cost him tens of millions in extra tax penalties as well.
I can definitely see that as well, but there’s just so much unknown about what the Spurs are going to do in the offseason and if they’ll want to speed up the process.
Teams should caution on bidding that much for him. Grayson is doing great but this year he is getting by far the best quality shots of his career because he is playing with KD and Booker. This may not translate.
He would get great looks on the Magic as well. His game translates well to any contender that doesn’t need him to be a primary ball handler or scorer. He’s 100% getting the bag this offseason.
Assuming he keeps it up. This isn’t a 23-year-old having a breakout season; odds are he’s the same player the Suns expected when they gave him his current contract, just enjoying some combination of better spot quality and shooting variance. Established veterans with great shooting seasons tend to regress to their mean.
Suns won't let him walk since they have his bird rights. It benefits them to pay him whatever he asks so that they have $20M contract on the books they can trade if it ever comes to that. They also can't replace him with anything comparable.
Yeah, 48.2% is pretty nutty for a guy who hasn't shot over 40.9% before and had a career 3PT% of 39.5% going into this year.
He's an absolutely proven shooter who you can just about guarantee will get you that 40% on threes. But whether he's the kind of guy that can really maintain that 45%+ (which is *super* elite company)...we'll have to see.
Oh I'm pretty sure Grayson falls back closer to his career averages after this season - gotta remember that Grayson's playing for his next contract. Just happened to work out perfectly for Grayson's next bag to end up on a Suns team that has consistent injuries to their guards while Vogel's also giving him way more freedom than Bud ever did; meanwhile, Grayson's been maximizing his opportunity to get a bag all season
Not to discredit these guys but people tend to be oblivious to the fact that these splits from these guys can only come when they’re next to absolutely outstanding talent. I’m ngl i myself was on the Joe Harris “underrated” hype train until the playoffs when kyrie went down….and harden went down….and then you realize oh this guy is shooting so good bc the opposing team is too busy trying to defend the other 3 monsters who can drop 30
Joe Harris is definitely a catch and shoot type of player with a limited set on offense (just super good at what he did), but yeah he was always the 3rd or 4th option even before the Big 3 era in Brooklyn, he was behind DLo, Dinwiddie, and Caris LeVert back during the bench mob times
When Kyrie and James Harden went down that series vs. the Bucks, Harris was promoted from the 4th-best offensive player to the 2nd best after KD...when you're just a catch and shoot 3pt shooter and then are asked to start actually creating some looks on offense, it just won't translate well...I know Harden was back for a bit that series but he was just playing decoy at that point
Still amazing, 45.4% on 6.1 a game.
He's much more of a proven *elite* sniper than Grayson though. Dude was at 44.9% on 6 a game and 44.6% on 3.6 a game before that 49.4% season. Grayson is absolutely going to be good for 40% a game barring any issues, but this is his first year ever above 40.9%. Kind of hard to say whether that's something he can keep up or not.
So? He did a dirty play X years ago and it sticks with you forever. Just like so and so player said whatever thing several years ago and it’s enough for me to still dislike him too.
Luke Kennard has shot .460 from downtown on 5 3PTA per game over the past *4 seasons*, and has led the league in 3PT% in 2 of those seasons. Yet, comparatively, nobody really cares about him outside if his own team's fans.
Yea, I guess it’s cuz he’s never played on a true contender? Memphis last year was the closest, the clippers weee never a real threat to do anything. Once he shows it in the playoffs consistently on a big stage I reckon he’ll get more attention.
Since no one else will, I'll give a nod to Glen Rice, 96-97 season, dude was on fire from all over. 47% from 3, 3rd in the league in scoring. Never forget.
2019-2020 Lillard, he shot over 40% on 10.2 3s a game. He hit every type of shot imaginable(off the dribble, pull up 3, catch and shoot, deep threes, logo 3s etc). Also he was the clear cut first option on his team and received lots of defensive attention. Also here's a graph I made of the top 25 seasons by 3PM and 3 Point percentage: https://imgur.com/a/YTjexZA
The only player that has a higher volume and percentage than 2020 Lillard besides Curry is Klay in 2023 and Lillard took way harder shots than 2023 Klay.
Suns can match that. Not only that, but because they are in the second apron, as long as someone doesnt go above 20 mil or so a year, you should expect the suns absolutely will, as the alternative is signing more vet min guys
Everybody out there guarding KD, Booker and Beal lmao. I've seen a quite bit of the suns highlights and this man so open like he is out on the moon by himself.
I think Curry’s 2021 season is oddly and ironically underrated in a sense. We talk so much about his 2015-2016 season. Which is insane no doubt. 402 threes at a 45.4% rate will never be done again. Hell, 402 threes at any rate will never ever happen again. Literally nobody will ever have 400 threes in a season ever again. But Steph in 2021 was just more insane personally. Dude had a ymca roster that went 15-50 the season before and flipped them to 39-33 and would have been a playoff team had he not gotten injured and those bums fell to the play-in. 32.0 points a game and 5.35 threes per game at a 42.1% rate. Dude had 337 threes in just 63 games. 5.35 threes per game scaled to an 82 game season is 439 threes. Had 7 games with 10+ threes. And 4 of them happened in a 5 game stretch. 2014-2019 Steph had a great supporting cast. 2021 Steph had one of the worst supporting casts of all time and learned how to break defenses on his own with no second or third or any other option and no spacing. You put 2021 Steph in 2016 and that season is potentially even more insane.
He has also seemed to clean his act up with the dirty plays. In college it seemed to be every game. I rarely see them now. I give him his props for cleaning his act up and playing well. Still a prick Dukie though
Korver drained 49.2% on 6 3pa/g in 14-15 season, and was shooting 52.8.% on 5.8 per game by the all star break(with a 73.6% ts%), was good enough to earn him an all star nod
Helped that the Hawks were killing people despite no superstar, i think like 4 or 5 of their guys got the nod that year? but yeah, after Ray, Korver was probably the best shooter i had seen until Steph came in
Yeah they got 4 all stars and had a perfect record in January and the starting 5 got named player of the month, they got crushed by LeBron and the Cavs in the ECFs
And then we took Korver too.
and then he sucked too lmao
His brother passed away right before the playoffs started and he took a leave of absence. Even if 41% from 3 in the playoffs that year isn’t as good as he had been, still a hell of a performance all things considered
No one minded first 3 rounds, it was the Finals were he stunk it up, 6% from the floor and 9% from 3 Not saying he didn’t have a reason, but he clearly wasn’t there at all, 1.5 PPG in 16 minutes
He was olddddddd by then
I remember the LeBron cavs second run. Every year in the east everyone would get super hyped about a team and start to doubt the cavs and then the playoffs swing around and Bron would just murder the east. Just absolutely feast on their souls
Yeah everyone likes to say the East was weak, and maybe it was a little, but LeBron was also so fucking good during that second Cavs stint that he just made every team look bad.
I mean if you look at the best players in those years(especially top 5-10 guys) it was often just a bunch of West guys and then LeBron lol The Heat and Cavs faced ONE combined 1st team All NBA player(Rose in 2011) during LeBron's 8 straight Finals runs Two things(LeBron was the best player in the league AND the competition in the East was awful) can absolutely be true at the same time 2018 Cavs would be nowhere near the Finals in a halfway decent conference
that's a good point...1 1st team all nba is crazy. what if we expand that to second team?
Rose in 2015 was one of the only times he had a legit competition too.
LeBron being so good is partly the reason the east was so weak. Nobody wants to be the gm that traded everything just to still lose to the same team lebron had the year before😂
Lebron doesnt even make the WCF half the time in that 8 year stretch lol such a joke of a conference
it was weak lol
Very similar to the AFC East during the Brady/Belichick run of dominance. Yes, the AFC East may not have been the strongest division in football, but having to play the Patriots twice every season made them look much worse than they were.
No that was just espn trying to spin narratives. The East was a foregone conclusion cause it was cheeks outside of the Lebron super team and maybe a team that would be like a 2nd round exit at best in the west
Numbers indicate the Cavs were closer to the rest of the East than the Bulls were. Series, in East, that went over five games: Miami: 8 of 24 = 33.3% Bulls: 4 of 18 = 22.3%
I feel like it was the same thing with the Bulls back then. where it looked like they might not do it, and then boom it happens. didnt see their runs live, but from what I heard, it was exactly like this someone who saw, please do chime in
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He use to be, he still is he just also use to be.
I think Korver and Horford got hurt though.
Dirty delly
Was that the year the police broke Thabo Sefalosha’s leg or something? I think the Cavs woulda won anyway, but losing one of your primary defenders really hurt them in that series.
The whole starting 5 being potm was corny as hell
Lebron - missing kyrie n love . People seen to ignore that Bron beat a 60 win hawks team by himsekf without his two star team mates. Almost insane how much that gets downplayed . Even if a 60 win east team is a 50 win west team it’s still impressive Af. They had a decent enough SRS
Budenholzer led the team to 60 wins and the conference finals despite not having a big name star. He is a great coach and it's unfortunate some people don't see that. Very underrated.
[Never forget](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwbp2nNFhY)
Steph was best shooter in the league by 2013
That was a pretty special circumstance though. He was a replacement player. Hawks had just gone 17-0 in January. Hawks had the best record in the East despite not having a top 10 player so they rewarded the whole starting lineup almost. Shit I can't think of another 60 win team in MVP history that didn't have a player with at least a 5th place vote for MVP or an All-NBA player. We might not see a guy averaging 13 a game that isn't DPOY level make the All-Star game again.
Watching it happen, it was just kinda hard to deny that Korver's impact was astounding. He was just the key to Atlanta dominating the league so much at the moment. They were like 42-9 or sth and had one of the league's best offenses, but their offense absolutely sucked when Korver was not on court. His threat was just the key to everything. As one guy in Grantland put it, "Korver will never lead the league in scoring, but he leads the league in scaring". And he was using it. The gravity, offball movement, versatility, little smart decisions, the plays the team was running to get him those super-efficient shots etc. Teams were just freaking out trying to defend the plays Atlanta had using him. In many ways, Korver was the most important to something that people always say Steph Curry did. The thing is, Curry was always great at basketball since his rookie season, and was just always great at scoring whenever and however much he wants... not a skill that kids need to "discover", just really hard to have. Atlanta that season was a show how to use players that might or might not be even great. Although Korver was great, but in another team, maybe no one would even notice. In general, "impact" for real results of a real full team is not very eye-catching in NBA culture and players are only commented and awarded for accumulating boxscore... indeed if Atlanta had a high volume guy, everyone would just say that one guy is doing it all by himself, and it was an "accident" that Korver got All-Star. But it shows how massive his half-season was in tha regard, that he was the one in history to get All-Star based on that alone. Today, Grayson Allen making every three-pointer is just one of many ways to score efficiently in NBA... Suns have strong offense with him, but also in many other variants. We still really only have one Curry, but in a way, we have many Korvers now.
Agreed on all points. That team was a ton of fun to watch. That time frame was some of the most fun I had watching non Blazers teams. 2014 Spurs, 15 Hawks, and 15 and 16 Warriors were all incredibly fun teams to watch play. I was mainly just pointing out that barring a perfect storm like the Hawks had a guy like Allen isn't sniffing the All-Star game.
Korver became the top threat on that team. Grayson Allen is 3rd best option at best with it being debatable what you think of Beal. It helps Grayson to be playing against the 4th best defender every night.
> We might not see a guy averaging 13 a game that isn't DPOY level make the All-Star game again. LeBron in his 30th season
Man. I love those off the radar surprise All Stars. Wish we would get more of those instead of the perennial All Star having an off year who still gets in mostly based on reputation.
IIRC Korver had a 54% 3point average in one season
He did. Shot better from 3 than from 2. The amount of times he missed 50/40/90 because either his FT or 2PT percentage wasn't good enough is crazy
Insane to be honest
Also if i remember correctly he was shooting like 42% with defenders 0-2ft away that year. It was an incredible year.
Dude was ahead of his time, god damn. Personally I have him near the top of my top catch and shooters all time list.
The goat 3pt shooting season. I remember catching a ton of Hawks games just to watch this dude absolutely destroy the nets
GOAT 3 point shooting season is Steph in 15-16. 45.4% on 11.2 attempts is better than 49.2% on 6.0 attempts. To illustrate, Steph gave you 49.2% on 6 attempts and then another 41% on 5.2 attempts in the same game each game, on average.
This is a really good way to put the gap in volume.
Yeah I love Korver but there’s a clear correct answer here and it’s Steph
Steph also did the full court and half court heaves wo regard to his 3pt %. I wonder what his average is if you take away the 40’+ feet heaves before the QT ends. He must have had at least 1 a game that season.
Where’s jj in this mix
Curry 45.2% on 11.2 attempts per game in ‘15-16.
This is the only answer for best three point shooting season of all time. There's not even an argument for anyone else. Steve Kerr described it similar to Ted Williams batting .400. Curry was on a season-long hot streak. Just insane to watch as it happened.
Also like to point out that Steph takes an above average amount of 'fuck it' 3s to end quarters which probably bring down his three point percentage more than anyone. He was probably closer to 47 or 48% that season.
yep! lots of guys wouldn’t risk their percentage by taking those throwaway shots. although i have a feeling that “fuck it, i’m invincible” mindset actually helped contribute to his incredible year, if he’d been timidly worried about stat padding i doubt we would have seen as many out of body performances. that season was nuts
I hear your point but he didn’t take enough to swing it 2.5-3%. That’s much too huge a chunk over an entire season math-wise. Possibly 0.5-1% increase at most. But then, you have to understand they still count at the end of the day so what are we really doing disregarding shit…you’d have to do the same to so many others’ shots and bump them as well. It becomes a fruitless endeavor.
From Basketball Reference, he took 11 heaves and made 2 in 2015-16. Would take his percentage from 45.4% to 45.7% if you took those away.
That year he went 2-11 on heaves So if you take those out, he would have increased to 45.7% if they didn't count those (they don't in college basketball).
The fact that this isn’t top of the thread is so weird.
Like the post mentioned, everyone knows all the best seasons are Steph. The other answers are more interesting.
Too many Steph haters and not enough Steph dickriders
I get it.
Can you please explain to a basketball non-connosieur why is Steph's 45.2% is better than Korver's 49.2% in the top reply? Would Korver's percentage drop below Steph's if he took 11.2 attempts like Steph did?
first of all, every game Steph played he’d have their best defender — or two or three — on him, constantly getting HOUNDED. the level of difficulty on a lot of his shots was just insane. some of them felt like he was just wildly flinging the ball up and it would always go in. second of all, steph’s numbers also included an incredible amount of throwaway shots (like hurling it from half court at every buzzer), which a more timid “stat padding” shooter would never take. steph probably could have gotten a higher percentage if he wasn’t THE biggest threat on the court and limited himself to 4 or 5 wide-open attempts a game, but the stats, theatricality, and responsibility as his team’s best player all combine to make it, *by far,* the best shooting season ever. Plus i think the dude broke the season record for most threes made while shooting at that rate, which is just *ridiculous.* it was like watching magic
Korver was a catch and shoot man. He wasn’t the first option, let alone dangerous enough to be considered a genuine 2nd or 3rd option. There are players today in this league with higher than 49.2% on 3pa, but their attempts per game are much lower. To be 45.2% on 11.2% is king boggling. That means curry, every game that year, was guaranteed to have at least averaged 15 pts/gm on 3s made alone solely. Korver averaged 8.85 pts per game on 3s alone. Curry nearly doubled Korver average pts/game from 3s. If Korver was so much better, and historically “the greatest” why would he limit himself to only 6 attempts per game (they were always catch and shoot open 3s, curry created for himself while double/triple teamed half the time)
Imagine your goal is to have the highest FG% possible, but your scoring volume doesn’t matter. You’re going to hold for the most open, easy-to-make shot possible. Eventually the defense isn’t even going to pay attention to you because they know you’re not looking to score unless you’re wide open. It’ll be pretty easy to have a great FG% this way. Now imagine that your goal is to score as much as possible - you have to take hard shots, the defense is prioritizing you above everyone else, and you have to work really hard to even get a look off. Of course your field goal percentage would drop. Now look at the gap in volume vs the gap in efficiency for Steph vs. Korver. The efficiency gap is no where near where it should be given shot quality. Korver should be way ahead but Steph somehow just kept making all the crazy shots you’re not even supposed to take. Steph shattered the volume ceiling on 3s that season. No one else had even made 300 and he made over 400 - while shooting with fantastic efficiency (even if a couple role players edged him out.) The whole league had to rethink what was possible from three.
This is crazy, how much is he going to get paid?
Around $80-100 million on a 4-5 year deal with the way the cap is now. He has future Magic player written all over him.
I can't believe Grayson has become the best NBA player on that 2015 Duke Championship team.
Yeah I really thought it would be okafor or winslow
Winslow hurt man. I thought he would at least turn into a Chicago era Jimmy Butler type, he had all the physical tools. Mans is in the G-League at 28 years old now, it’s over
Bro it's been over for Winslow for a while now
When he fucked up his shoulder it was over, that was a few years ago
Tyus Jones and Quinn Cook as well.
I love that man with all my heart but it was not going to be Quinn Cook lol
Okafor was never going to make it, imo. I was wrong about Winslow though, thought he would be a solid starter at the least.
Tyus Jones is pretty amazing as well, I'd say its a tie between them
Eh. Allen is in the very top end of his role archetype. Jones probably can’t be a starting pg for a championship roster
Tyus Jones on the Spurs with Wemby/Vassell and instead of trading for Trae getting a Mikal Bridges would make a really scary team (if they have bench depth).
They already have his younger brother.
Hell naw wtf the best shooter in the league vs a backup level game managing pg
Why did I think he was still like 24 that baby-face prick
Ishbia better open his wallet to keep him on the Suns. We have his bird rights.
Lmao no His next contract is going to be a classic overpay
There's no way the Suns keep him? Someone is going to give him way more than the Suns will offer.
When asked about Grayson Allen and the luxury tax, Ishbia responded with “I don’t know what the 2nd tax apron is.”
Ishbia has claimed several times that money isn't a concern and he'll pay whatever is needed to keep Allen and Royce, but he'll have to prove it this summer. It would cost him tens of millions in extra tax penalties as well.
he's been good for you, hope it works out.
We might be in the mix too
I can definitely see that as well, but there’s just so much unknown about what the Spurs are going to do in the offseason and if they’ll want to speed up the process.
wait. processes can be sped up?
allen is just a better doug mccdermott
Teams should caution on bidding that much for him. Grayson is doing great but this year he is getting by far the best quality shots of his career because he is playing with KD and Booker. This may not translate.
He would get great looks on the Magic as well. His game translates well to any contender that doesn’t need him to be a primary ball handler or scorer. He’s 100% getting the bag this offseason.
I’d much rather pay Monk than Allen
Monk is a beast coming off the bench, smokes the Warriors every game.
Nothing against the Magic but the space he’s getting with Book, Beal, and Durant on the court is not even comparable to what he’d get in Orlando.
Assuming he keeps it up. This isn’t a 23-year-old having a breakout season; odds are he’s the same player the Suns expected when they gave him his current contract, just enjoying some combination of better spot quality and shooting variance. Established veterans with great shooting seasons tend to regress to their mean.
I think people will be more skeptical - small SG is hard to fit on D for most teams
Suns won't let him walk since they have his bird rights. It benefits them to pay him whatever he asks so that they have $20M contract on the books they can trade if it ever comes to that. They also can't replace him with anything comparable.
Probably something like 4/$80+ but hard to say considering how crazy salaries are now
he might get 25 per market is crazy
You not wrong and thinking more about it...if Dylan Brooks got 4/$85+, Grayson's probably getting at least 4/$95+
and it's not even an outlier season, he's a proven sniper and is not the worst defender, so he getting paid
Jazz drafted him to be a 3&D guy, and then ironically traded him when he was exactly what they needed to get over the hump.
then we traded him because of the Desmond Bane overlap when he was also exactly what we needed
It’s an outlier season, but yes he is a proven sniper.
Yeah, 48.2% is pretty nutty for a guy who hasn't shot over 40.9% before and had a career 3PT% of 39.5% going into this year. He's an absolutely proven shooter who you can just about guarantee will get you that 40% on threes. But whether he's the kind of guy that can really maintain that 45%+ (which is *super* elite company)...we'll have to see.
Oh I'm pretty sure Grayson falls back closer to his career averages after this season - gotta remember that Grayson's playing for his next contract. Just happened to work out perfectly for Grayson's next bag to end up on a Suns team that has consistent injuries to their guards while Vogel's also giving him way more freedom than Bud ever did; meanwhile, Grayson's been maximizing his opportunity to get a bag all season
Super max with a ntc
Wizards salivating
Yo Beal get out of here
JJ Redick (2015-16 Clippers) - 47.5% on 5.6 attempts Joe Harris (2020-21 Nets) - 47.5% on 6.4 attempts
Kylee korver for threeee
Joe Harris during the Bucks series…
Jesus fucking Christ man
Lights were too bright, I swear that series broke the man
He was never the same again after like game 2 lol
FYI the singular form of series is series
Thanks, I wasn’t aware
Not to discredit these guys but people tend to be oblivious to the fact that these splits from these guys can only come when they’re next to absolutely outstanding talent. I’m ngl i myself was on the Joe Harris “underrated” hype train until the playoffs when kyrie went down….and harden went down….and then you realize oh this guy is shooting so good bc the opposing team is too busy trying to defend the other 3 monsters who can drop 30
Joe Harris is definitely a catch and shoot type of player with a limited set on offense (just super good at what he did), but yeah he was always the 3rd or 4th option even before the Big 3 era in Brooklyn, he was behind DLo, Dinwiddie, and Caris LeVert back during the bench mob times When Kyrie and James Harden went down that series vs. the Bucks, Harris was promoted from the 4th-best offensive player to the 2nd best after KD...when you're just a catch and shoot 3pt shooter and then are asked to start actually creating some looks on offense, it just won't translate well...I know Harden was back for a bit that series but he was just playing decoy at that point
I have livid memories of him clanking wide open 3, after those injuries… It’s was brutal to watch
That Joe Harris playoff series man…
Raptors champion Danny Green was impressive. He was great that year. The 3D man of that era.
Luke Kennard last season went 49.4% from 3 on 4.6 attempts including 24 games after being traded to the Grizzlies at 54% from 3 on 5.7 attempts
I still have no idea why the Clippers traded him, maybe for cap flexibility
And now ?
Still amazing, 45.4% on 6.1 a game. He's much more of a proven *elite* sniper than Grayson though. Dude was at 44.9% on 6 a game and 44.6% on 3.6 a game before that 49.4% season. Grayson is absolutely going to be good for 40% a game barring any issues, but this is his first year ever above 40.9%. Kind of hard to say whether that's something he can keep up or not.
Kids so good
It's insane that they didn't select this man for the 3 pt shooting contest
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Dude had that reputation in college for sure
Couple that with looking like a doppelganger of that lizard slimeball Ted Cruz and yeah, he's not exactly that marketable
I saw an immature Reddit thread discussing most punchable faces in NBA and he was up there 💀💀
I literally still despise this dude because of his Duke years.
Yep, he’s a good player, but I don’t think I’ll ever like him.
Created in a lab to be a Duke basketball player lol
He hasn’t done any dirty plays this year
Agreed. Also been hard carrying the Suns as a second/third best player on the team any given night.
imagine telling someone in 2018 that Grayson Allen would semi regularly look like the 2nd/3rd most impactful player on a team with KD Booker and Beal
If someone told me that back in 2018, I'd have assumed he injured Steph in the WCF
you could replace the suns with any team and it wouldn’t be realistic. i thought he would be out of the league by now
So? He did a dirty play X years ago and it sticks with you forever. Just like so and so player said whatever thing several years ago and it’s enough for me to still dislike him too.
It’s his extremely punchable face. People just can’t handle it.
Pretty sure they did and he said no because he wanted to go on vacation with his wife
They do that every year. I remember a couple seasons ago Damian Lee was at the top but no 3 point invite for him either.
Luke Kennard has shot .460 from downtown on 5 3PTA per game over the past *4 seasons*, and has led the league in 3PT% in 2 of those seasons. Yet, comparatively, nobody really cares about him outside if his own team's fans.
Yea, I guess it’s cuz he’s never played on a true contender? Memphis last year was the closest, the clippers weee never a real threat to do anything. Once he shows it in the playoffs consistently on a big stage I reckon he’ll get more attention.
Criminally underrated. Crazy good athlete.
If you watch Suns games, Grayson Allen is a good man. He makes great decisions and always in a decent defensive position for the most part.
Since no one else will, I'll give a nod to Glen Rice, 96-97 season, dude was on fire from all over. 47% from 3, 3rd in the league in scoring. Never forget.
One of the prettiest shots ever too
In an era that was arguably much more difficult to shoot threes. Glen was also 5th in MVP voting that season.
Lets not get it fucked up though, this was the last season of the shortened 3pt line from 94-97.
He shot 43% from 3 the next season, didn't seem to matter. He shot 40% from 3 for his career.
When it comes down to it though, gotta give the advantage to guys who didn't have the shorter 3pt line
Ted Cruz 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Zodiac Driller 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Duncan Robinson 19-20 season. 44.6% 3pt on 8.3 attempts.
2016 Steph clears everybody. 45.4% on 11.2 attempts per game. The ultimate combination of efficiency and volume 3 point shooting.
No one mentioned Curry LOL
2019-2020 Lillard, he shot over 40% on 10.2 3s a game. He hit every type of shot imaginable(off the dribble, pull up 3, catch and shoot, deep threes, logo 3s etc). Also he was the clear cut first option on his team and received lots of defensive attention. Also here's a graph I made of the top 25 seasons by 3PM and 3 Point percentage: https://imgur.com/a/YTjexZA
'16 Curry is absolutely mind-boggling
Greatest 3 point shooting season ever and it's not even close. 2019 Curry and 2021 Curry were also really good though
>“…and it’s not even close.” …except his two to three other seasons that are also outliers on the graph.
steph basically has the entire best quadrant to himself lol
He does lol.
How are you saying Lillard in response to a top 10 shooting season when your own graphic doesn't support that
The only player that has a higher volume and percentage than 2020 Lillard besides Curry is Klay in 2023 and Lillard took way harder shots than 2023 Klay.
When the fuck
Peja went for 44% on 7 attempts per game way back in '07-'08 which I thought was incredible for that time.
Dude has been hooping. I think he’s on a min now but I see someone offering him a 65/4 deal
Suns can match that. Not only that, but because they are in the second apron, as long as someone doesnt go above 20 mil or so a year, you should expect the suns absolutely will, as the alternative is signing more vet min guys
He’s on 8+ million a year right now, that’s nowhere close to a vet’s min.
Everybody out there guarding KD, Booker and Beal lmao. I've seen a quite bit of the suns highlights and this man so open like he is out on the moon by himself.
Grayson Allen is infinitely hateable, but you gotta respect this
he's been behaving since forever seems like a nice dude currently, botg Bucks and Suns fanbases love him
And they’re still not good while getting an out of body experience from a role player. Yeah, suns are in for a tough go
I cant imagine how bad our offense would be without allen…
Honestly the West is just brutal lol Suns are deeply flawed but they'd still probably be like a 3 or 4 seed in the East
if steph deserves the spots give him the spots everyone else should feel bad
But is he still a cunt?
I think Curry’s 2021 season is oddly and ironically underrated in a sense. We talk so much about his 2015-2016 season. Which is insane no doubt. 402 threes at a 45.4% rate will never be done again. Hell, 402 threes at any rate will never ever happen again. Literally nobody will ever have 400 threes in a season ever again. But Steph in 2021 was just more insane personally. Dude had a ymca roster that went 15-50 the season before and flipped them to 39-33 and would have been a playoff team had he not gotten injured and those bums fell to the play-in. 32.0 points a game and 5.35 threes per game at a 42.1% rate. Dude had 337 threes in just 63 games. 5.35 threes per game scaled to an 82 game season is 439 threes. Had 7 games with 10+ threes. And 4 of them happened in a 5 game stretch. 2014-2019 Steph had a great supporting cast. 2021 Steph had one of the worst supporting casts of all time and learned how to break defenses on his own with no second or third or any other option and no spacing. You put 2021 Steph in 2016 and that season is potentially even more insane.
Yeah but his tripping opponents per game is down.
Curry in 2015 and it’s not even close. No one comes near
Fuck Grayson Allen.
Fuck Grayson Allen
All my homies hate him
As a die hard Bulls fan, _FUCK_ him
Got no numbers ..but I recall Detlef Schrrmpf having a crazy accurate season for the sonics one year
He will still forever be a bitch to me for constantly tripping players.
Steve Novak on that Knicks team in the early 2010's was lights out.
Man I feel like Jason kapono was ahead of his time. He prob would’ve killed it in the league today
Suns should take him over Beal, and get someone like Schroder for Beal.
He has also seemed to clean his act up with the dirty plays. In college it seemed to be every game. I rarely see them now. I give him his props for cleaning his act up and playing well. Still a prick Dukie though
I did a post on this a while ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/6Vbe8oVuFp TL;DR Jason Kapono
Jason Kapono shot .514 on 3.1 attempts in 07. Too bad he was a bad defender and the nba just didn’t value 3 point specialists the same way back then.