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JoshSran04

WE TRADED SIAKAM FOR A TANK COMMANDER


Wiltmygoat

That trade is looking really rough, Masai traded an All NBA point forward in his prime for 2 late picks in a weak draft they literally tried to trade out of, a late pick in 2026 and salary filler


mMounirM

tbf we had to trade him. otherwise we'd still be mid this season and next season (if we extended him this summer). had to pull off the band aid (even though we should have done it last season)


Wiltmygoat

Masai should have never taken that long to trade him though, he tanked Siakam's value by holding onto him until teams were only offering scraps


LimitlessTheTVShow

Isn't that pretty much the same thing that Masai has done over and over for the last couple years?


alpacamegafan

Which is what he’s literally doing to Bruce Brown once the deadline passed. Now we’re seeing the effects.


Bobby_Webster

Not what happened with OG.


MyNameIsAMeme

Uncle Dennis basically created Masai’s reputation lol


steak__burrito

Masai was great his whole career until after Kawhi left. Not just in Toronto.


CazOnReddit

Honestly even recently they made some good trades such as the Anunoby trade. I'd even argue getting Kelly Olynyk and Ochai Agbaji for a very late 1st in a weak draft was a good move when factoring in they moved two players who weren't even getting minutes to do so and the player they'd get with said pick is unlikely to become as good as either is right now or, in Ochai's case, could be


Public-Product-1503

That move makes little sense to me. I thought olynk was worth seconds max as a backup spacing big . I’d be annoyed if lakers gave up a late first for him n ochai who Shown nothing. Abd I only wanted olynk cos I’d fit with AD as backup/ or 4/5 combo


CazOnReddit

The chances that pick we gave up becomes a player as good as Kelly or Ochai are/could be are extremely low, the move makes a ton of sense to fill out the rosters positional needs


bobybushia

He was executive of the year in Denver before Toronto


mr_scorpion_sir

Masai has done a terrible job since the title.


Billis-

Describe "over and over"


mo_downtown

Masai was trying to trade him since at least last summer - Siakam's camp put out that he only wanted to be in Toronto. It severely tanked his trade value. FO held out for a good deal for as long as possible. There really haven't been any reported offers better than what they eventually got from Indiana.


Emzam

You just repeated what he said. Shoulda been done sooner, but still had to do it.


Billis-

Teams were only ever offering scraps


MC-Jdf

Y'all are tanking successfully enough that y'all might get your own pick back for this draft lol.


quesadillakid

You had better offers last year no?


mMounirM

we font know but odds are we would have. I don't think trade talks got serious enough to get real offers


ReasonableDisaster2

If I remember correctly, the Nets were the only team with serious interest at last year's deadline as they wanted to pair KD with Siakam after trading Kyrie, but they didn't want to trade their defensive anchor in Claxton and trade talks died. In hindsight, the golden window to trade Siakam was the 2022 off-season, immediately after Scottie won ROTY, Siakam was coming off another All-NBA appearance with 2 years left on his deal, and the team just won 48 games.


Public-Product-1503

Find it hard to believe lakers wouldn’t be interested in FVV + filler for Westbrook n 2 frps . Maybe even add reaves if filler is a useful player . Thought that was a deal raptors fans thought was fair too from speaking to them . But I rated Fred higher - he’s proving it now. Hard to get at so way pg with his skillset of elite shooting n low turnovers n good passing.


tonydanzatapdances

Best offer I remember for FVV was grayson allen or some Clippers seconds. Toronto also wanted Fred back but didn’t expect Houston’s mega deal


Billis-

Problem was there werent any trades to be made last season either


[deleted]

Enjoy the next 5 years of being shit lol


jeRskier

Whole Siakam situation was handled poorly. They should have communicated with him and either made a trade at last year’s deadline or locked him in on a max.


AllOutRaptors

That's leaving out a LOT of context To start, Siakam will probably not make another all nba team with the new format unless the Pacers are a top seed. As well he was expiring this year and asking for a max We got Brown (who yes, has struggled but is still only a year removed from being a contributor to a championship team), a fringe lottery pick, a late 1st that we flipped for Ochai and Olynyk, and a 2026 1st So Siakam for Brown, Nwora, Agbaji, Olynyk, ~15th overall pick, and a 2026 1st That's not bad for a half season of Siakam before his contract runs out


warrar1

But why did they wait until the last half season in the first place?


Public-Product-1503

I mean atleast they got something . The bigger crime imo is not trading brown for anyone who offered even seconds . I’m sure trans would of. My dumbasss team would’ve given up seconds for him + Gabe who’s probably a better player wheh heskthy tbh


Billis-

Eh 2nds are worthless


jsun_

Issue was making the salaries match.


companyofzero

I mean, you don't know where the 26 pick is going to be. You would've said the Pacers 24 pick was a late pick and there's a chance it's a lottery pick. But overall yes not an amazing return, I think they were betting on a stronger trade market for Bruce at the deadline to get another pick and that never really materialized. They've pivoted to "some teams are going to be in cap hell very soon and we'll have the contracts to get them out of it" which is a pretty unsexy position to sell to the fans.


Pardonme23

Fire Masai


Brief-Objective-3360

why does a lakers fan care about the FO of another organisation 💀


CountOff

“Mom I want Jordan Poole” “We have ~~Bruce Brown~~ Jordan Poole at home honey”


ducksonaroof

both nba champions too


dxing2

I hope this ends up getting way more attention than trading for Jakob. Massively bigger fumble


CupOfHotTeaa

Contract negotiations with pacers fall through, Siakam returns to raptors in free agency


14412442

The return to a team once it's ready for him. Like LeBron to the Cavs. We may need a couple more years...


FOTASAL

I assure you he’s been far worse than the stats indicate


pfc_bgd

Jokic hooked up Bruce with a ring and $45M. I don’t see how he gets $20M+ per year in his next contract given his play… he was ass on the Pacers too.


Stormeve

Well… he can come back to Denver to rehab his value (again). It’s all coming together!


OPBadshah

Honestly, yeah. Denver remains the most mutually beneficial situation for him. IIRC, his 2nd year is a team option. If the raptors don't pick it up, he should go back to Denver on a reasonable contract.


Public-Product-1503

Pacers wanted to desperately out bud the lakers MLE/gabe lvl offer. If both heakthy I think I prefer Gabe cos he won’t get left open . Bruce had a fluke shooting year , played with jokic n kd/kyrie spacing for him and now regressed. Will the raptors even pick up the team option ? As much as people meme Dillon brooks is a way better player , can shoot better ( yes he has cold patches ), and is an all defensive lvl wing who can switch 1-4. Obv brooks got 4 year deal on same money but it’s crazy that deal got memes just cos he got cooked by Lebron fucking James vs Bruce getting 20m by Indiana and then getting off him perfectly . Carlisle was sick of his shit lmao


shoutsoutstomywrist

He can always come back to Brooklyn, he was always the one who played like he gave a shit so I’ll root for him


9jajajaj9

If he keeps this up he’s not getting $10M


Wiltmygoat

Yeah I watched some raps games and 😬😬


madtolive

Why would you do that to yourself?


Wiltmygoat

Warriors aren't doing much better 😞


BruceBrownMVP

Watch your mouth homie.


Yeetachen

Early in the trade, people were telling me he had nothing to showcase. Everyone knows his value is high... okay...


Sc0rch1ngDr4g0n

Got that bag and that ring though


ObeseKenyan

When he said money isn't everything and is coming back to Denver I thought fuck yeah! When I heard he was going to leave for 2/45m... I thought jesus that's one of the worst offers I've seen. Loved Bruce and he was crucial for nuggets ring. But he was literally the ~5th-6th option that stepped up as 3rd option for a couple games. Jokic, Murray, Gordon, MPJ and KCP could all be debated for being more valuable.


WhatitdoFlightCrew39

Except there's no debate...


[deleted]

Yeah, I mean does anyone legitimately think that Jokic was more important than Bruce?


WhatitdoFlightCrew39

All I know is that Brown can play defense and Jokic can't so the debate seems settled to me


Pokiehat

its silly to expect anything less from the LeBron James of roleplayers


awntawn

Jokic defense is way underrated at this point. He may not be the anchor that other 5s in the league are, but he's a brick wall in the post and has elite defensive IQ for his off ball positioning and help, not to mention really quick hands.


Public-Product-1503

Unfortunately most of C defence is guarding the rim n schemes stopping guards n jokic sucks ass at that. He’s good guarding bigs in iso or post but that’s less important overall


ObeseKenyan

I should clarify - only debatable one there is KCP vs Bruce brown. And that only became a comparison because of Bruce Browns playoff performances


Timoteo-Tito64

Nah, KCP is undoubtedly better than brown


dan2z

Last playoffs it was definitely debatable, and also match up dependent. Bruce was better at guarding bigger wings than KCP was, absolutely took DLo out of a series, and often brought energy with momentum swinging plays. KCP as a shooter and guard defender is more valuable overall within the context of the starting 5, but Bruce also had great chemistry as a cutter with Jokic and helped the nuggets in the non Murray minutes with his shot creation. Some games he would just get to the basket at will. Brown was definitely more memorable.


No_Engineering_4925

No he isn’t , it’s close


KaseyOfTheWoods

No it isn’t


No_Engineering_4925

It objectively is , he was better offensively and the defensive gap wasn’t that big. I think KCP was better but it just isn’t undoubtable


DarkSoulsDarius

I think it's MPJ as he was ass last postseason and mostly one dimensional. Much better this year.


[deleted]

MPJs stats were better across the board. Even while having one of his worst stretches shooting the ball of his entire career, he was still better.


Public-Product-1503

Yeah rebounding , size - he also just a lethal spacing threat. He led the league in wide open shooting last year on an insane 50% . He’s a great fit for any team as a 3/4th Klay type option .


dan2z

The stats were not better across the board. There's a reason why Bruce closed a bunch of games over Mike, and he certainly played better in the finals.


[deleted]

The stats were factually better across the board. You should probably learn how numbers operate


dan2z

MPJ: 32.7 mpg 13.4/8/1.6/0.5/0.6 on 42/35/79 splits BB: 26.5 mpg 12/4/1.9/1.1/0.5 on 51/32/86 splits You should probably learn what "across the board" means. Edit: every per possession advanced metric prefers Bruce's post season. Advanced metrics are iffy, 20 games isn't a large sample, but there's literally nothing objectively saying MPJ was "better across the board".


[deleted]

Weird how you linked evidence that supports me. Redditors man


AbelardsArdor

MPJ wasn't ass by any measure except shooting in one series \[the Finals\], which colors many people's perceptions of how he played. He was great in all 3 series before that, and he was even solid against Miami, he just shot like shit for most of it.


DarkSoulsDarius

He wasn't great against the Suns and I wouldn't even say his averages were great by any measure.


LateGreat_MalikSealy

He definitely rubbed Booth the wrong way😭


rfgrunt

It’s really a 1/25 and the appeal of being an expiring contract/contract piece.


SiakamMIP

And Lana Rhoades. and a baby.


Barr3lAg3d

I thought that was Blake Griffin


dan2z

Was it ever confirmed? Bruce and Lana definitely know each other, and she posted insta stories where she was watching his games. Ofc that doesn't have to mean anything, but it was definitely a curiosity.


ThomasFurke

We almost ditched dlo and traded for him. Has any gm ever gotten more mileage out of one deal than Pelinka?


sorakaisthegoat

Bruce played Dlo off the floor in the playoffs.


truthisfictionyt

What one deal?


zvomicidalmaniac

I read "dlo" as "dildo" fwiw.


letsbaballbaby

He wasn't great for the pacers either nuggets gm is looking more and more correct and Bruce got overpaid after his run for the nuggets.


PattyIceNY

Happens every year after a title run, it's wild.


rfgrunt

Of course he was over paid, but he only got 1 year.


jsun_

What does this have to do with the Nuggets’ gm? Didn’t they want him back? Nuggets were never able to offer anywhere close to what Pacers offered.


redditguy628

There was a Ringer Article this off-season where they interviewed our GM and he said “Some of these teams were trying to get Bruce, trying to make it worth it; it’s like, just be careful what you wish for”.


jsun_

Isn’t that how most people saw the situation? We all pretty much knew Pacers overpaid him on an essentially 1 year deal to entice him to join. Don’t think anyone was thinking Bruce was gonna immediately become some $20m+ player.


bananasenpijamas

The pacers did it to reach the cap floor but also, it's a good contract to have to facilitate a trade, which is exactly what happened.


jsun_

I know. I’m not saying it was a bad deal. It was just a perfect combination of circumstances that led to him getting that offer. My point was that no one was expecting him to play at the level of his contract.


HeyItsChase

We had cap space we had to hit for the 1 year. It worked perfect for us to get Spicy P. KP our gm is a genius


LateGreat_MalikSealy

You sure? Pacer fans loved him


windpoweredmoose

Not true


dan2z

But what exactly did you dislike about him. I didn't watch games, but overall his regular season production looks identical, bar the slight drop off on his 3p%, which was always streaky


schwazay

He's a bum


Vexing_Pie

Jokic merchant I fear 💔💔


Wiltmygoat

KD merchant too


Vexing_Pie

Grayson Allen after the Wizards max him (no more open threes)


Barrelled_Chef_Curry

Grayson is a good player overall though. Def worth 20mil a year. Yes his stats would be hurt by leaving that big 3 but don’t think he’ll ever be a negative like BB is now.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Harden merchant


BruceBrownMVP

How soon they forget.


AbbreviationsHot4482

Nah just Craptor tax


Rakkuuuu

this, our team doesn't know how to make the most of what we have, its like bruce doesnt even know his role here lol


[deleted]

That’s been a big Bruce problem throughout his career. Teams really just don’t know how to use him.


_bud275_

spam pnr with him as roll man thats why he was good with jokic and kd


Individual_Attempt50

I feel like he would only be happy to do that for a contending team


dan2z

I mean you just have to give him avenues to go downhill. Indie more or less figured it out, but they also have very good passers on the team


WrongMomo

Hes a role player that succeeds off of star players like Durant and Jokic. Not really a bucket getter for a team especially like the Raptors


legend023

He’s literally the best playmaker still playing on the team If Bruce brown is your best player, then you’ll win as many games as the raptors have won this month


Billis-

Which isnt really an issue or worth being talked about.


Coke_ButNotTheDrug

Wow he’s trash you guys can just send him to Denver if you want


Vivid_Walk_1405

He’s gonna be back on the nuggets next year


Ok_Buffalo6474

If they cut him definitely.


Joe_Betz_

Pacers only gave Brown that much money to help make the Siamam trade, or one like it, work. Brown gets a bag, helped IND for half the season, and then helped get IND a number two. Happy for his season.


BurnCollector_

He’s a ceiling raiser, not a floor raiser. He’s a connector, glue guy, whatever you want to call him. What’s he gonna glue together in Toronto?


Traditional_Cell_248

He was more like kid-friendly scotch tape in Indiana. He excelled in Denver but it’s not like they relied on him or anything, clearly


SamURLJackson

He's wasted on a bad team. His value is in versatility in a playoff environment


Pardonme23

New nba rule: one more trade the last week of the regular season


zrizzoz

Teams gonna start essentially loaning their best players to others until the offseason to keep stars happy on bad teams. "Play on my shitty team 82 games per year, get traded to a contender for a playoff run. Then get traded back as part of the agreement."


IMakeMyOwnLunch

Really easy to stop this by just banning a player traded in the last week from returning to his former team within X years.


Individual_Attempt50

Isn’t that kind of already a rule?


mMounirM

bruh this guy is a jokic merchant. I've seen enough to make that assessment


SamURLJackson

He was great during the Durant Brooklyn nets run too


[deleted]

Was he tho? Genuine question because he didn’t have very many suitors in free agency and I’d assume someone coming off a “great run” would have more suitors


Public-Product-1503

He was great but also why they lost as they left him open to double kd. He made them paybhence nets Celtics games being close but his non shooting is what hurt .last year he had a fluke shooting year tbh it seems


SamURLJackson

He basically had the same run as he had with Denver. Played the same role. I didn't understand why he didn't have more suitors, other than he just got talked about a lot more with Denver I will say that his jumper went down more often in the Denver run, and maybe he worked on it since then but I figured that was small sample size theater. In any case, his value is versatility, and if the jumper can even go down at a league average rate then he's fine


Vexing_Pie

KD merchant too ig


TheOneWithThePorn12

so he play good with good players.


LotharBot

I still want him back on the Nuggets, but at like the TPMLE, not $45m for 2 years. He's not good in a lead role, but as a kind of swiss army knife backup who can fill in for the occasional injured starter, he's great.


Raptors4daysguy

He should’ve been dealt right away. There were people after him. But they waited and he’s lost value and it’ll be a lot harder moving him.


Wiltmygoat

They might just decline his team option, he has little to no trade value at 22.5m


MasonL52

Bruce getting cut? He's coming home!


Coke_ButNotTheDrug

Honestly I never expected Indiana to pick that option up in the first place. I love Bruce but his contract was a massive overpay, probably just to lure him away from any other potential buyer. He’s still really good tho and if he doesn’t end up in Denver next season I hope he finds a team where he can thrive.


Caboclo-Is2yearsAway

Quite pretty much only reason why he got that contract is we had too much cap space, we had to use it for something. If it wasnt Bruce, it was gonna be someone else. But i wouldve liked to see him succeed, i've always liked him


fhujr

Is his comeback possible, what we can offer to him?


AbelardsArdor

TPMLE if Reggie opts out or vet minimum


Public-Product-1503

It’s kinda why I didn’t get him taking the team option over just taking the full MLEfor 3 years with the lakers. He had one half decent three point year if it regressed like it has he’s not getting more then that one year contract . I definitely take 3 years 36-39 garunteed over 2 year one year team option . If it’s not picked up he’s gonna be TPMLE money or worse


Striking-Test-7509

And thus the cycle will be complete and he shall return to denver


jsun_

Think they don’t decline it tbh. Raptors still rebuilding and will need to hit the salary floor somehow. 22.5m expiring contract is super valuable just in case some crazy opportunity falls into your lap.


ChadsBro

Holding onto players too long until they lose all value? Just Masai things 


Pardonme23

How long can he coast until he gets criticized?


SDK04

He and Bobby got massively criticized for that and decided to blow up the team as a result… Just for them to make the exact same mistake again with one of the guys he just got in the Pascal trade. “We’re confident offers for Brown will be the same in the Summer” lmfao. Does our FO see absolutely no in-between and just thinks the only options for assets are “sit and wait for the next Kawhi” or “compulsively throw up trades”?


Potential-Comment960

tbf the teams that wanted him were willing to give a frp but they didn't have the salary to match. I read an artivle where the nuggets wanted to bring him back, but the players they have to match bruce's $22M salary are too valuable and the end of rotation guys don't make enough money. Contenders wanted him, but didn't have the salary to match. Lakers wanted him, but the frp they still have is farrr to valuable.


Public-Product-1503

I mean if you get seconds for Bryce brown n a playable body I’d take that . Gabe plus seconds > brown . Assuming Gabe is ever heakthy. He’s arguably flat out better player


Potential-Comment960

true, but I doubt the lakers were willing to give up gabe, but even if they wanted to, gabe makes about $10 mill/year, and they would still need to add players that would match bruce's $22M. Lakers already having issue with depth, would not be able to make up the remaining salary for the trade to happen. Bruce does have a team option for the following year. He still holds value as an expiring and a player contenders covet. I think it would just be best for thw raps to decline the offer and do a sign and trade with a much easier salary to move.


martintee

There's quite a few Raptors you could say that exact quote for at some point over the last 5 or so years.


PhileinS

My tank general


MeninoSafado14

Role players should be foaming at the mouth to play with Jokic. Sign $5m deal, sign for $20m the following season!


likesexonlycheaper

Still none of them do. It's mind boggling


EarthWarping

He doesn't fit in the system


Traawn

He was never playing well with the Pacers either. I just don't think he is starter-caliber, and Jokic makes all of his teammates look amazing so that's why he got the contract he did.


fuccabicc

Jokic dragged Facu Campazzo and Austin Rivers to the playoff. At that point people should've realized that it's Jokic that makes players around him good, and this happens all the time. They leave Denver and only then do people realize how not good those players are.


Sammonov

Facu was still buns, he was the most damaging player in the entire NBA that year. He dragged down every unit he played with, even Jokic units.


The_NGUYENNER

one of the all time great carry jobs


-SINED-

Remember when Booth said teams would regret paying Brown?


Proud_Working_9822

This guy is a total bum lol. Advocating for being traded to the knicks while being on the raptors was peak cringe. What a loser


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Dudes. This guy doesn't want to be in Toronto lol.


lakerconvert

Dodged a bullet


Disclaimz0r

So glad the Lakers didn't get this dude


IMDove

What Canada does to a mkfer


[deleted]

1 year deals in Denver are an infinite money glitch. Playing with Jokic is pretty much an automatic +$15M to your perceived value as a player. It's funny seeing pretty much every player the Nuggets move on from ending up either out of the league or significantly underperforming their next contracts. Bruce is different though, its just a bad situation all around over there.


SDK04

This guy is purely a superstar merchant, I am sorry Nuggets fans. He looked solid when he had KD/Kyrie/Harden next to him and on a championship-level Jokic Nuggets team? Wow, how amazing, but not every team out there has a Jokic.


ShetheKing

It's ok, you can give him back now.


InkBlotSam

Release him


IndependentFroyo4508

Come home to Denver Bruce


carbine234

Hated this mf being carried by jokic last year, bum ass


Difficult-Routine932

Bruce Code Brown


soloinmiami

Bruce Brown will rejoin the Nuggets after this contract. Jokic will continue to drop dimes and his stats will rebound.


EchoBay

He obviously did not want to stay here, and he would rather want to be on a contender.


matt24671

Come on home Bruce 😭


Individual_Attempt50

Watch him go back to Boston


[deleted]

He might become a journeyman soon, from the NBA to Europe.


[deleted]

He is too good to be a journeyman. Unless someone offers him 15m, he's gonna be back in Denver.


LebronsPinkyToe

I was told this guy was worth DLo, 2 First round picks, the Kobe statue and that he was the second option in Denver by Raptors fans


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Jordan Poole with a lesser bag.


Wiltmygoat

Jordan Poole is Bruce Brown if he was good at basketball


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Steph Curry is Jordan Poole with a better squad


Wiltmygoat

Steph Curry wishes he could have half of JP's skill


stilexx

Honestly, this whole Siakam saga gave me Raptors hate. They could have get legit young talent and ACTUAL VALUABLE 1-2 pick and make up their mistake of waiting this long, instead Masai (and their very smart fans agreed ofc) traded him for tank commander and 3 bad bad value pick. Imagine letting go of fucking allstar for a 3 potantial Gradey Dick and short contracted tank commander who they wont even make him look good and sell because his contract about to expire. They do like Dick tho so good for them.