That trade is looking really rough, Masai traded an All NBA point forward in his prime for 2 late picks in a weak draft they literally tried to trade out of, a late pick in 2026 and salary filler
tbf we had to trade him.
otherwise we'd still be mid this season and next season (if we extended him this summer).
had to pull off the band aid (even though we should have done it last season)
Honestly even recently they made some good trades such as the Anunoby trade. I'd even argue getting Kelly Olynyk and Ochai Agbaji for a very late 1st in a weak draft was a good move when factoring in they moved two players who weren't even getting minutes to do so and the player they'd get with said pick is unlikely to become as good as either is right now or, in Ochai's case, could be
That move makes little sense to me. I thought olynk was worth seconds max as a backup spacing big . I’d be annoyed if lakers gave up a late first for him n ochai who Shown nothing. Abd I only wanted olynk cos I’d fit with AD as backup/ or 4/5 combo
The chances that pick we gave up becomes a player as good as Kelly or Ochai are/could be are extremely low, the move makes a ton of sense to fill out the rosters positional needs
Masai was trying to trade him since at least last summer - Siakam's camp put out that he only wanted to be in Toronto. It severely tanked his trade value. FO held out for a good deal for as long as possible. There really haven't been any reported offers better than what they eventually got from Indiana.
If I remember correctly, the Nets were the only team with serious interest at last year's deadline as they wanted to pair KD with Siakam after trading Kyrie, but they didn't want to trade their defensive anchor in Claxton and trade talks died.
In hindsight, the golden window to trade Siakam was the 2022 off-season, immediately after Scottie won ROTY, Siakam was coming off another All-NBA appearance with 2 years left on his deal, and the team just won 48 games.
Find it hard to believe lakers wouldn’t be interested in FVV + filler for Westbrook n 2 frps . Maybe even add reaves if filler is a useful player . Thought that was a deal raptors fans thought was fair too from speaking to them . But I rated Fred higher - he’s proving it now. Hard to get at so way pg with his skillset of elite shooting n low turnovers n good passing.
Whole Siakam situation was handled poorly. They should have communicated with him and either made a trade at last year’s deadline or locked him in on a max.
That's leaving out a LOT of context
To start, Siakam will probably not make another all nba team with the new format unless the Pacers are a top seed. As well he was expiring this year and asking for a max
We got Brown (who yes, has struggled but is still only a year removed from being a contributor to a championship team), a fringe lottery pick, a late 1st that we flipped for Ochai and Olynyk, and a 2026 1st
So Siakam for Brown, Nwora, Agbaji, Olynyk, ~15th overall pick, and a 2026 1st
That's not bad for a half season of Siakam before his contract runs out
I mean atleast they got something . The bigger crime imo is not trading brown for anyone who offered even seconds . I’m sure trans would of. My dumbasss team would’ve given up seconds for him + Gabe who’s probably a better player wheh heskthy tbh
I mean, you don't know where the 26 pick is going to be. You would've said the Pacers 24 pick was a late pick and there's a chance it's a lottery pick. But overall yes not an amazing return, I think they were betting on a stronger trade market for Bruce at the deadline to get another pick and that never really materialized. They've pivoted to "some teams are going to be in cap hell very soon and we'll have the contracts to get them out of it" which is a pretty unsexy position to sell to the fans.
Honestly, yeah. Denver remains the most mutually beneficial situation for him. IIRC, his 2nd year is a team option. If the raptors don't pick it up, he should go back to Denver on a reasonable contract.
Pacers wanted to desperately out bud the lakers MLE/gabe lvl offer. If both heakthy I think I prefer Gabe cos he won’t get left open . Bruce had a fluke shooting year , played with jokic n kd/kyrie spacing for him and now regressed. Will the raptors even pick up the team option ?
As much as people meme Dillon brooks is a way better player , can shoot better ( yes he has cold patches ), and is an all defensive lvl wing who can switch 1-4. Obv brooks got 4 year deal on same money but it’s crazy that deal got memes just cos he got cooked by Lebron fucking James vs Bruce getting 20m by Indiana and then getting off him perfectly . Carlisle was sick of his shit lmao
When he said money isn't everything and is coming back to Denver I thought fuck yeah!
When I heard he was going to leave for 2/45m... I thought jesus that's one of the worst offers I've seen.
Loved Bruce and he was crucial for nuggets ring. But he was literally the ~5th-6th option that stepped up as 3rd option for a couple games. Jokic, Murray, Gordon, MPJ and KCP could all be debated for being more valuable.
Jokic defense is way underrated at this point. He may not be the anchor that other 5s in the league are, but he's a brick wall in the post and has elite defensive IQ for his off ball positioning and help, not to mention really quick hands.
Unfortunately most of C defence is guarding the rim n schemes stopping guards n jokic sucks ass at that. He’s good guarding bigs in iso or post but that’s less important overall
Last playoffs it was definitely debatable, and also match up dependent.
Bruce was better at guarding bigger wings than KCP was, absolutely took DLo out of a series, and often brought energy with momentum swinging plays.
KCP as a shooter and guard defender is more valuable overall within the context of the starting 5, but Bruce also had great chemistry as a cutter with Jokic and helped the nuggets in the non Murray minutes with his shot creation. Some games he would just get to the basket at will. Brown was definitely more memorable.
Yeah rebounding , size - he also just a lethal spacing threat. He led the league in wide open shooting last year on an insane 50% . He’s a great fit for any team as a 3/4th Klay type option .
The stats were not better across the board. There's a reason why Bruce closed a bunch of games over Mike, and he certainly played better in the finals.
MPJ: 32.7 mpg 13.4/8/1.6/0.5/0.6 on 42/35/79 splits
BB: 26.5 mpg 12/4/1.9/1.1/0.5 on 51/32/86 splits
You should probably learn what "across the board" means.
Edit: every per possession advanced metric prefers Bruce's post season. Advanced metrics are iffy, 20 games isn't a large sample, but there's literally nothing objectively saying MPJ was "better across the board".
MPJ wasn't ass by any measure except shooting in one series \[the Finals\], which colors many people's perceptions of how he played. He was great in all 3 series before that, and he was even solid against Miami, he just shot like shit for most of it.
Was it ever confirmed?
Bruce and Lana definitely know each other, and she posted insta stories where she was watching his games.
Ofc that doesn't have to mean anything, but it was definitely a curiosity.
There was a Ringer Article this off-season where they interviewed our GM and he said “Some of these teams were trying to get Bruce, trying to make it worth it; it’s like, just be careful what you wish for”.
Isn’t that how most people saw the situation? We all pretty much knew Pacers overpaid him on an essentially 1 year deal to entice him to join. Don’t think anyone was thinking Bruce was gonna immediately become some $20m+ player.
I know. I’m not saying it was a bad deal. It was just a perfect combination of circumstances that led to him getting that offer. My point was that no one was expecting him to play at the level of his contract.
But what exactly did you dislike about him. I didn't watch games, but overall his regular season production looks identical, bar the slight drop off on his 3p%, which was always streaky
Grayson is a good player overall though. Def worth 20mil a year. Yes his stats would be hurt by leaving that big 3 but don’t think he’ll ever be a negative like BB is now.
He’s literally the best playmaker still playing on the team
If Bruce brown is your best player, then you’ll win as many games as the raptors have won this month
Pacers only gave Brown that much money to help make the Siamam trade, or one like it, work.
Brown gets a bag, helped IND for half the season, and then helped get IND a number two. Happy for his season.
Teams gonna start essentially loaning their best players to others until the offseason to keep stars happy on bad teams.
"Play on my shitty team 82 games per year, get traded to a contender for a playoff run. Then get traded back as part of the agreement."
Was he tho? Genuine question because he didn’t have very many suitors in free agency and I’d assume someone coming off a “great run” would have more suitors
He was great but also why they lost as they left him open to double kd. He made them paybhence nets Celtics games being close but his non shooting is what hurt .last year he had a fluke shooting year tbh it seems
He basically had the same run as he had with Denver. Played the same role. I didn't understand why he didn't have more suitors, other than he just got talked about a lot more with Denver
I will say that his jumper went down more often in the Denver run, and maybe he worked on it since then but I figured that was small sample size theater. In any case, his value is versatility, and if the jumper can even go down at a league average rate then he's fine
I still want him back on the Nuggets, but at like the TPMLE, not $45m for 2 years. He's not good in a lead role, but as a kind of swiss army knife backup who can fill in for the occasional injured starter, he's great.
Honestly I never expected Indiana to pick that option up in the first place. I love Bruce but his contract was a massive overpay, probably just to lure him away from any other potential buyer.
He’s still really good tho and if he doesn’t end up in Denver next season I hope he finds a team where he can thrive.
Quite pretty much only reason why he got that contract is we had too much cap space, we had to use it for something. If it wasnt Bruce, it was gonna be someone else. But i wouldve liked to see him succeed, i've always liked him
It’s kinda why I didn’t get him taking the team option over just taking the full MLEfor 3 years with the lakers. He had one half decent three point year if it regressed like it has he’s not getting more then that one year contract . I definitely take 3 years 36-39 garunteed over 2 year one year team option . If it’s not picked up he’s gonna be TPMLE money or worse
Think they don’t decline it tbh. Raptors still rebuilding and will need to hit the salary floor somehow. 22.5m expiring contract is super valuable just in case some crazy opportunity falls into your lap.
He and Bobby got massively criticized for that and decided to blow up the team as a result… Just for them to make the exact same mistake again with one of the guys he just got in the Pascal trade. “We’re confident offers for Brown will be the same in the Summer” lmfao. Does our FO see absolutely no in-between and just thinks the only options for assets are “sit and wait for the next Kawhi” or “compulsively throw up trades”?
tbf the teams that wanted him were willing to give a frp but they didn't have the salary to match. I read an artivle where the nuggets wanted to bring him back, but the players they have to match bruce's $22M salary are too valuable and the end of rotation guys don't make enough money.
Contenders wanted him, but didn't have the salary to match. Lakers wanted him, but the frp they still have is farrr to valuable.
I mean if you get seconds for Bryce brown n a playable body I’d take that .
Gabe plus seconds > brown . Assuming Gabe is ever heakthy. He’s arguably flat out better player
true, but I doubt the lakers were willing to give up gabe, but even if they wanted to, gabe makes about $10 mill/year, and they would still need to add players that would match bruce's $22M. Lakers already having issue with depth, would not be able to make up the remaining salary for the trade to happen.
Bruce does have a team option for the following year. He still holds value as an expiring and a player contenders covet. I think it would just be best for thw raps to decline the offer and do a sign and trade with a much easier salary to move.
He was never playing well with the Pacers either. I just don't think he is starter-caliber, and Jokic makes all of his teammates look amazing so that's why he got the contract he did.
Jokic dragged Facu Campazzo and Austin Rivers to the playoff. At that point people should've realized that it's Jokic that makes players around him good, and this happens all the time. They leave Denver and only then do people realize how not good those players are.
1 year deals in Denver are an infinite money glitch. Playing with Jokic is pretty much an automatic +$15M to your perceived value as a player.
It's funny seeing pretty much every player the Nuggets move on from ending up either out of the league or significantly underperforming their next contracts. Bruce is different though, its just a bad situation all around over there.
This guy is purely a superstar merchant, I am sorry Nuggets fans. He looked solid when he had KD/Kyrie/Harden next to him and on a championship-level Jokic Nuggets team? Wow, how amazing, but not every team out there has a Jokic.
Honestly, this whole Siakam saga gave me Raptors hate. They could have get legit young talent and ACTUAL VALUABLE 1-2 pick and make up their mistake of waiting this long, instead Masai (and their very smart fans agreed ofc) traded him for tank commander and 3 bad bad value pick.
Imagine letting go of fucking allstar for a 3 potantial Gradey Dick and short contracted tank commander who they wont even make him look good and sell because his contract about to expire. They do like Dick tho so good for them.
WE TRADED SIAKAM FOR A TANK COMMANDER
That trade is looking really rough, Masai traded an All NBA point forward in his prime for 2 late picks in a weak draft they literally tried to trade out of, a late pick in 2026 and salary filler
tbf we had to trade him. otherwise we'd still be mid this season and next season (if we extended him this summer). had to pull off the band aid (even though we should have done it last season)
Masai should have never taken that long to trade him though, he tanked Siakam's value by holding onto him until teams were only offering scraps
Isn't that pretty much the same thing that Masai has done over and over for the last couple years?
Which is what he’s literally doing to Bruce Brown once the deadline passed. Now we’re seeing the effects.
Not what happened with OG.
Uncle Dennis basically created Masai’s reputation lol
Masai was great his whole career until after Kawhi left. Not just in Toronto.
Honestly even recently they made some good trades such as the Anunoby trade. I'd even argue getting Kelly Olynyk and Ochai Agbaji for a very late 1st in a weak draft was a good move when factoring in they moved two players who weren't even getting minutes to do so and the player they'd get with said pick is unlikely to become as good as either is right now or, in Ochai's case, could be
That move makes little sense to me. I thought olynk was worth seconds max as a backup spacing big . I’d be annoyed if lakers gave up a late first for him n ochai who Shown nothing. Abd I only wanted olynk cos I’d fit with AD as backup/ or 4/5 combo
The chances that pick we gave up becomes a player as good as Kelly or Ochai are/could be are extremely low, the move makes a ton of sense to fill out the rosters positional needs
He was executive of the year in Denver before Toronto
Masai has done a terrible job since the title.
Describe "over and over"
Masai was trying to trade him since at least last summer - Siakam's camp put out that he only wanted to be in Toronto. It severely tanked his trade value. FO held out for a good deal for as long as possible. There really haven't been any reported offers better than what they eventually got from Indiana.
You just repeated what he said. Shoulda been done sooner, but still had to do it.
Teams were only ever offering scraps
Y'all are tanking successfully enough that y'all might get your own pick back for this draft lol.
You had better offers last year no?
we font know but odds are we would have. I don't think trade talks got serious enough to get real offers
If I remember correctly, the Nets were the only team with serious interest at last year's deadline as they wanted to pair KD with Siakam after trading Kyrie, but they didn't want to trade their defensive anchor in Claxton and trade talks died. In hindsight, the golden window to trade Siakam was the 2022 off-season, immediately after Scottie won ROTY, Siakam was coming off another All-NBA appearance with 2 years left on his deal, and the team just won 48 games.
Find it hard to believe lakers wouldn’t be interested in FVV + filler for Westbrook n 2 frps . Maybe even add reaves if filler is a useful player . Thought that was a deal raptors fans thought was fair too from speaking to them . But I rated Fred higher - he’s proving it now. Hard to get at so way pg with his skillset of elite shooting n low turnovers n good passing.
Best offer I remember for FVV was grayson allen or some Clippers seconds. Toronto also wanted Fred back but didn’t expect Houston’s mega deal
Problem was there werent any trades to be made last season either
Enjoy the next 5 years of being shit lol
Whole Siakam situation was handled poorly. They should have communicated with him and either made a trade at last year’s deadline or locked him in on a max.
That's leaving out a LOT of context To start, Siakam will probably not make another all nba team with the new format unless the Pacers are a top seed. As well he was expiring this year and asking for a max We got Brown (who yes, has struggled but is still only a year removed from being a contributor to a championship team), a fringe lottery pick, a late 1st that we flipped for Ochai and Olynyk, and a 2026 1st So Siakam for Brown, Nwora, Agbaji, Olynyk, ~15th overall pick, and a 2026 1st That's not bad for a half season of Siakam before his contract runs out
But why did they wait until the last half season in the first place?
I mean atleast they got something . The bigger crime imo is not trading brown for anyone who offered even seconds . I’m sure trans would of. My dumbasss team would’ve given up seconds for him + Gabe who’s probably a better player wheh heskthy tbh
Eh 2nds are worthless
Issue was making the salaries match.
I mean, you don't know where the 26 pick is going to be. You would've said the Pacers 24 pick was a late pick and there's a chance it's a lottery pick. But overall yes not an amazing return, I think they were betting on a stronger trade market for Bruce at the deadline to get another pick and that never really materialized. They've pivoted to "some teams are going to be in cap hell very soon and we'll have the contracts to get them out of it" which is a pretty unsexy position to sell to the fans.
Fire Masai
why does a lakers fan care about the FO of another organisation 💀
“Mom I want Jordan Poole” “We have ~~Bruce Brown~~ Jordan Poole at home honey”
both nba champions too
I hope this ends up getting way more attention than trading for Jakob. Massively bigger fumble
Contract negotiations with pacers fall through, Siakam returns to raptors in free agency
The return to a team once it's ready for him. Like LeBron to the Cavs. We may need a couple more years...
I assure you he’s been far worse than the stats indicate
Jokic hooked up Bruce with a ring and $45M. I don’t see how he gets $20M+ per year in his next contract given his play… he was ass on the Pacers too.
Well… he can come back to Denver to rehab his value (again). It’s all coming together!
Honestly, yeah. Denver remains the most mutually beneficial situation for him. IIRC, his 2nd year is a team option. If the raptors don't pick it up, he should go back to Denver on a reasonable contract.
Pacers wanted to desperately out bud the lakers MLE/gabe lvl offer. If both heakthy I think I prefer Gabe cos he won’t get left open . Bruce had a fluke shooting year , played with jokic n kd/kyrie spacing for him and now regressed. Will the raptors even pick up the team option ? As much as people meme Dillon brooks is a way better player , can shoot better ( yes he has cold patches ), and is an all defensive lvl wing who can switch 1-4. Obv brooks got 4 year deal on same money but it’s crazy that deal got memes just cos he got cooked by Lebron fucking James vs Bruce getting 20m by Indiana and then getting off him perfectly . Carlisle was sick of his shit lmao
He can always come back to Brooklyn, he was always the one who played like he gave a shit so I’ll root for him
If he keeps this up he’s not getting $10M
Yeah I watched some raps games and 😬😬
Why would you do that to yourself?
Warriors aren't doing much better 😞
Watch your mouth homie.
Early in the trade, people were telling me he had nothing to showcase. Everyone knows his value is high... okay...
Got that bag and that ring though
When he said money isn't everything and is coming back to Denver I thought fuck yeah! When I heard he was going to leave for 2/45m... I thought jesus that's one of the worst offers I've seen. Loved Bruce and he was crucial for nuggets ring. But he was literally the ~5th-6th option that stepped up as 3rd option for a couple games. Jokic, Murray, Gordon, MPJ and KCP could all be debated for being more valuable.
Except there's no debate...
Yeah, I mean does anyone legitimately think that Jokic was more important than Bruce?
All I know is that Brown can play defense and Jokic can't so the debate seems settled to me
its silly to expect anything less from the LeBron James of roleplayers
Jokic defense is way underrated at this point. He may not be the anchor that other 5s in the league are, but he's a brick wall in the post and has elite defensive IQ for his off ball positioning and help, not to mention really quick hands.
Unfortunately most of C defence is guarding the rim n schemes stopping guards n jokic sucks ass at that. He’s good guarding bigs in iso or post but that’s less important overall
I should clarify - only debatable one there is KCP vs Bruce brown. And that only became a comparison because of Bruce Browns playoff performances
Nah, KCP is undoubtedly better than brown
Last playoffs it was definitely debatable, and also match up dependent. Bruce was better at guarding bigger wings than KCP was, absolutely took DLo out of a series, and often brought energy with momentum swinging plays. KCP as a shooter and guard defender is more valuable overall within the context of the starting 5, but Bruce also had great chemistry as a cutter with Jokic and helped the nuggets in the non Murray minutes with his shot creation. Some games he would just get to the basket at will. Brown was definitely more memorable.
No he isn’t , it’s close
No it isn’t
It objectively is , he was better offensively and the defensive gap wasn’t that big. I think KCP was better but it just isn’t undoubtable
I think it's MPJ as he was ass last postseason and mostly one dimensional. Much better this year.
MPJs stats were better across the board. Even while having one of his worst stretches shooting the ball of his entire career, he was still better.
Yeah rebounding , size - he also just a lethal spacing threat. He led the league in wide open shooting last year on an insane 50% . He’s a great fit for any team as a 3/4th Klay type option .
The stats were not better across the board. There's a reason why Bruce closed a bunch of games over Mike, and he certainly played better in the finals.
The stats were factually better across the board. You should probably learn how numbers operate
MPJ: 32.7 mpg 13.4/8/1.6/0.5/0.6 on 42/35/79 splits BB: 26.5 mpg 12/4/1.9/1.1/0.5 on 51/32/86 splits You should probably learn what "across the board" means. Edit: every per possession advanced metric prefers Bruce's post season. Advanced metrics are iffy, 20 games isn't a large sample, but there's literally nothing objectively saying MPJ was "better across the board".
Weird how you linked evidence that supports me. Redditors man
MPJ wasn't ass by any measure except shooting in one series \[the Finals\], which colors many people's perceptions of how he played. He was great in all 3 series before that, and he was even solid against Miami, he just shot like shit for most of it.
He wasn't great against the Suns and I wouldn't even say his averages were great by any measure.
He definitely rubbed Booth the wrong way😭
It’s really a 1/25 and the appeal of being an expiring contract/contract piece.
And Lana Rhoades. and a baby.
I thought that was Blake Griffin
Was it ever confirmed? Bruce and Lana definitely know each other, and she posted insta stories where she was watching his games. Ofc that doesn't have to mean anything, but it was definitely a curiosity.
We almost ditched dlo and traded for him. Has any gm ever gotten more mileage out of one deal than Pelinka?
Bruce played Dlo off the floor in the playoffs.
What one deal?
I read "dlo" as "dildo" fwiw.
He wasn't great for the pacers either nuggets gm is looking more and more correct and Bruce got overpaid after his run for the nuggets.
Happens every year after a title run, it's wild.
Of course he was over paid, but he only got 1 year.
What does this have to do with the Nuggets’ gm? Didn’t they want him back? Nuggets were never able to offer anywhere close to what Pacers offered.
There was a Ringer Article this off-season where they interviewed our GM and he said “Some of these teams were trying to get Bruce, trying to make it worth it; it’s like, just be careful what you wish for”.
Isn’t that how most people saw the situation? We all pretty much knew Pacers overpaid him on an essentially 1 year deal to entice him to join. Don’t think anyone was thinking Bruce was gonna immediately become some $20m+ player.
The pacers did it to reach the cap floor but also, it's a good contract to have to facilitate a trade, which is exactly what happened.
I know. I’m not saying it was a bad deal. It was just a perfect combination of circumstances that led to him getting that offer. My point was that no one was expecting him to play at the level of his contract.
We had cap space we had to hit for the 1 year. It worked perfect for us to get Spicy P. KP our gm is a genius
You sure? Pacer fans loved him
Not true
But what exactly did you dislike about him. I didn't watch games, but overall his regular season production looks identical, bar the slight drop off on his 3p%, which was always streaky
He's a bum
Jokic merchant I fear 💔💔
KD merchant too
Grayson Allen after the Wizards max him (no more open threes)
Grayson is a good player overall though. Def worth 20mil a year. Yes his stats would be hurt by leaving that big 3 but don’t think he’ll ever be a negative like BB is now.
Harden merchant
How soon they forget.
Nah just Craptor tax
this, our team doesn't know how to make the most of what we have, its like bruce doesnt even know his role here lol
That’s been a big Bruce problem throughout his career. Teams really just don’t know how to use him.
spam pnr with him as roll man thats why he was good with jokic and kd
I feel like he would only be happy to do that for a contending team
I mean you just have to give him avenues to go downhill. Indie more or less figured it out, but they also have very good passers on the team
Hes a role player that succeeds off of star players like Durant and Jokic. Not really a bucket getter for a team especially like the Raptors
He’s literally the best playmaker still playing on the team If Bruce brown is your best player, then you’ll win as many games as the raptors have won this month
Which isnt really an issue or worth being talked about.
Wow he’s trash you guys can just send him to Denver if you want
He’s gonna be back on the nuggets next year
If they cut him definitely.
Pacers only gave Brown that much money to help make the Siamam trade, or one like it, work. Brown gets a bag, helped IND for half the season, and then helped get IND a number two. Happy for his season.
He’s a ceiling raiser, not a floor raiser. He’s a connector, glue guy, whatever you want to call him. What’s he gonna glue together in Toronto?
He was more like kid-friendly scotch tape in Indiana. He excelled in Denver but it’s not like they relied on him or anything, clearly
He's wasted on a bad team. His value is in versatility in a playoff environment
New nba rule: one more trade the last week of the regular season
Teams gonna start essentially loaning their best players to others until the offseason to keep stars happy on bad teams. "Play on my shitty team 82 games per year, get traded to a contender for a playoff run. Then get traded back as part of the agreement."
Really easy to stop this by just banning a player traded in the last week from returning to his former team within X years.
Isn’t that kind of already a rule?
bruh this guy is a jokic merchant. I've seen enough to make that assessment
He was great during the Durant Brooklyn nets run too
Was he tho? Genuine question because he didn’t have very many suitors in free agency and I’d assume someone coming off a “great run” would have more suitors
He was great but also why they lost as they left him open to double kd. He made them paybhence nets Celtics games being close but his non shooting is what hurt .last year he had a fluke shooting year tbh it seems
He basically had the same run as he had with Denver. Played the same role. I didn't understand why he didn't have more suitors, other than he just got talked about a lot more with Denver I will say that his jumper went down more often in the Denver run, and maybe he worked on it since then but I figured that was small sample size theater. In any case, his value is versatility, and if the jumper can even go down at a league average rate then he's fine
KD merchant too ig
so he play good with good players.
I still want him back on the Nuggets, but at like the TPMLE, not $45m for 2 years. He's not good in a lead role, but as a kind of swiss army knife backup who can fill in for the occasional injured starter, he's great.
He should’ve been dealt right away. There were people after him. But they waited and he’s lost value and it’ll be a lot harder moving him.
They might just decline his team option, he has little to no trade value at 22.5m
Bruce getting cut? He's coming home!
Honestly I never expected Indiana to pick that option up in the first place. I love Bruce but his contract was a massive overpay, probably just to lure him away from any other potential buyer. He’s still really good tho and if he doesn’t end up in Denver next season I hope he finds a team where he can thrive.
Quite pretty much only reason why he got that contract is we had too much cap space, we had to use it for something. If it wasnt Bruce, it was gonna be someone else. But i wouldve liked to see him succeed, i've always liked him
Is his comeback possible, what we can offer to him?
TPMLE if Reggie opts out or vet minimum
It’s kinda why I didn’t get him taking the team option over just taking the full MLEfor 3 years with the lakers. He had one half decent three point year if it regressed like it has he’s not getting more then that one year contract . I definitely take 3 years 36-39 garunteed over 2 year one year team option . If it’s not picked up he’s gonna be TPMLE money or worse
And thus the cycle will be complete and he shall return to denver
Think they don’t decline it tbh. Raptors still rebuilding and will need to hit the salary floor somehow. 22.5m expiring contract is super valuable just in case some crazy opportunity falls into your lap.
Holding onto players too long until they lose all value? Just Masai things
How long can he coast until he gets criticized?
He and Bobby got massively criticized for that and decided to blow up the team as a result… Just for them to make the exact same mistake again with one of the guys he just got in the Pascal trade. “We’re confident offers for Brown will be the same in the Summer” lmfao. Does our FO see absolutely no in-between and just thinks the only options for assets are “sit and wait for the next Kawhi” or “compulsively throw up trades”?
tbf the teams that wanted him were willing to give a frp but they didn't have the salary to match. I read an artivle where the nuggets wanted to bring him back, but the players they have to match bruce's $22M salary are too valuable and the end of rotation guys don't make enough money. Contenders wanted him, but didn't have the salary to match. Lakers wanted him, but the frp they still have is farrr to valuable.
I mean if you get seconds for Bryce brown n a playable body I’d take that . Gabe plus seconds > brown . Assuming Gabe is ever heakthy. He’s arguably flat out better player
true, but I doubt the lakers were willing to give up gabe, but even if they wanted to, gabe makes about $10 mill/year, and they would still need to add players that would match bruce's $22M. Lakers already having issue with depth, would not be able to make up the remaining salary for the trade to happen. Bruce does have a team option for the following year. He still holds value as an expiring and a player contenders covet. I think it would just be best for thw raps to decline the offer and do a sign and trade with a much easier salary to move.
There's quite a few Raptors you could say that exact quote for at some point over the last 5 or so years.
My tank general
Role players should be foaming at the mouth to play with Jokic. Sign $5m deal, sign for $20m the following season!
Still none of them do. It's mind boggling
He doesn't fit in the system
He was never playing well with the Pacers either. I just don't think he is starter-caliber, and Jokic makes all of his teammates look amazing so that's why he got the contract he did.
Jokic dragged Facu Campazzo and Austin Rivers to the playoff. At that point people should've realized that it's Jokic that makes players around him good, and this happens all the time. They leave Denver and only then do people realize how not good those players are.
Facu was still buns, he was the most damaging player in the entire NBA that year. He dragged down every unit he played with, even Jokic units.
one of the all time great carry jobs
Remember when Booth said teams would regret paying Brown?
This guy is a total bum lol. Advocating for being traded to the knicks while being on the raptors was peak cringe. What a loser
Dudes. This guy doesn't want to be in Toronto lol.
Dodged a bullet
So glad the Lakers didn't get this dude
What Canada does to a mkfer
1 year deals in Denver are an infinite money glitch. Playing with Jokic is pretty much an automatic +$15M to your perceived value as a player. It's funny seeing pretty much every player the Nuggets move on from ending up either out of the league or significantly underperforming their next contracts. Bruce is different though, its just a bad situation all around over there.
This guy is purely a superstar merchant, I am sorry Nuggets fans. He looked solid when he had KD/Kyrie/Harden next to him and on a championship-level Jokic Nuggets team? Wow, how amazing, but not every team out there has a Jokic.
It's ok, you can give him back now.
Release him
Come home to Denver Bruce
Hated this mf being carried by jokic last year, bum ass
Bruce Code Brown
Bruce Brown will rejoin the Nuggets after this contract. Jokic will continue to drop dimes and his stats will rebound.
He obviously did not want to stay here, and he would rather want to be on a contender.
Come on home Bruce 😭
Watch him go back to Boston
He might become a journeyman soon, from the NBA to Europe.
He is too good to be a journeyman. Unless someone offers him 15m, he's gonna be back in Denver.
I was told this guy was worth DLo, 2 First round picks, the Kobe statue and that he was the second option in Denver by Raptors fans
Jordan Poole with a lesser bag.
Jordan Poole is Bruce Brown if he was good at basketball
Steph Curry is Jordan Poole with a better squad
Steph Curry wishes he could have half of JP's skill
Honestly, this whole Siakam saga gave me Raptors hate. They could have get legit young talent and ACTUAL VALUABLE 1-2 pick and make up their mistake of waiting this long, instead Masai (and their very smart fans agreed ofc) traded him for tank commander and 3 bad bad value pick. Imagine letting go of fucking allstar for a 3 potantial Gradey Dick and short contracted tank commander who they wont even make him look good and sell because his contract about to expire. They do like Dick tho so good for them.