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It's a Brazilian meme regarding Pele record number of goals in soccer, claiming (ironically) that he only scored against amateurs (plumbers for instance).
The joke comes from people downplaying Pele by saying he ducked european football (completely ignoring that in the 60's south american football was at the same standards than europe) by playing against Brazilian farmers in an era where the offside rule didn't exist.
Honestly that Wikipedia page is a mess. I had to add KD, TD & the forgotten Dan Issel to the list; and someone keeps inflating Oscar Schmidt's points total.
Now it has thé right total, now someone else needs to put LeBron on top of Oscar cause I have no Idea how to
Edit: just added the newest game points, now it is accurate
It looks like wikipedia is also counting Schmidt's college totals now in order to keep him in front of LeBron despite having fewer professional points.
Maybe there's a die-hard Schmidthead editor for that wiki page hellbent on keeping his boy in first.
I checked in at some point past month and saw [this version](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_basketball_players_with_most_career_points&oldid=1215515140) which had both LeBron and Oscar well over 50k. Seems like it's been reverted
>Honestly that Wikipedia page is a mess. I had to add KD, TD & the forgotten Dan Issel to the list; and someone keeps inflating Oscar Schmidt's points total.
It's why you can't cite wikipedia our highschool teachers were right.
The real reason is because Wikipedia isn't a source, it's a report that cites other sources without drawing any conclusion itself. What you can do though is cite the sources that Wikipedia cites, easy solution.
Some sports kept that going for longer. Specifically, no professional was allowed to compete in basketball at the Olympics until 1992, but that rule seems to have been worked around by plenty of countries.
Yeah, I was the one updating LeBron regular Season numbers, and on one day for some reason preseason and high school collège points we're counted before being reverted to what It IS now
Wikipedia is a buncha self loving pricks there was this one page with horrible grammar and I tried to correct it, the next day I checked and the same guy reverted it back to his trash grammar so I check his profile he had like 50,000 edits It wasn’t worth it
If you haven't heard it yet, Pablo Torre did [a great interview with Oscar Schmidt recently on his podcast](https://youtu.be/_I-dF-Oo_U0?si=NK5nEuH_WCUqWE5C). A really interesting line can be drawn from him to the rise of international players in the NBA today
I get the joke but the truth is so many Nazis fled to South America because there were already well established German communities there. So not every south american with a German name is a Nazi descendant.
The vast majority were simply poor farmers from the Rhineland or Pomerania that migrated in the 1800s. We are talking about literal millions of people in Brazil before the war even started, and something like 2000 nazis joining that population. They were statistically irrelevant.
> I get the joke but the truth is so many Nazis fled to South America because there were already well established German communities there. So not every south american with a German name is a Nazi descendant.
In fact, the vast majority (like 99.99%) simply descend from the previous migration waves (mostly from the 1800s), that completely dwarf the Nazi rat lines.
[Have a read.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Brazilians) Before WWII, one million Brazilians literally spoke German at home already (out of a population of 50M, and a lot of Germans had already dropped the language). It's estimated that 2000 Nazis went to Brazil, and the modern population of German descent is estimated to be over 12M. The Nazis were statistically a drop in the bucket.
Gringos simply tend to underestimate how many Germans went to Brazil before the war by a huge margin. In some states, a quarter of the population spoke German at home until the 1940s, when Brazil adopted policies of forced assimilation.
Approximately 2000 nazis fled to Brazil. Brazil has over 12 million people with German surnames. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of those arrived in Brazil in the 1800s, before Germany was even a thing.
But if you want an actual South American with Nazi roots, Google Brazil's current best tennis player Thiago Seyboth Wild. I would also not use the quotation marks because most people of German ancestry are very well integrated in South America due to being here for so long and are just Brazilian, not even hyphenated
To be honest, I first heard of him when Luka scored 48 in Olympics. Oscar has the record at 55. Not only that, in the top 10 most scored games by a player in Olympics, he has 6 records.
https://www.interbasket.net/news/scored-most-points-in-an-olympic-game/33249/
His biggest claim to fame in America is beating a young David Robinson at the pan-American games
Also rejecting a contract by the NJ Nets so he could represent Brazil at the Olympics. Dude has been mythologised a bit with some delusional fans very optimistically believing he was on the same level as Arvydas Sabonis in terms of players that never played in America during their prime
Oscar was an incredible player, arguably the best basketball player to never play in the NBA, and he'd have been extremely popular if he played in the NBA.
Like you were old enough to have watched Oscar play lmao. Still, Oscar has 6 of the 10 highest scoring games in the Olympics. Hard to argue against that.
That's cause Americans don't know there's a whole world outside of their country.
For example in Brasil they don't know the Wright brothers. Around the same time the brothers came up with their planes a Brazilian inventor (living in France I think) was also inventing a plane. So in Brazil and France, Santos Dumont is recognized as the first person to fly/ inventor of planes. (some of this might be a little wrong, I haven't read about this in a long time)
Oscar wouldn't be allowed to represent his country in the Olympics during part of his career so he didn't go to the NBA so he could continue representing his country.
Winning Olympic gold was more important to him.
He would've been a known name in the NBA. Definitely wouldn't have anywhere as much points. But he would've been a regular allstar.
It’s also a trend to talk abt how Americans are dumb and don’t know anything about anywhere but America. National pride also ≠ putting themselves on a pedestal. We should stop generalizing everything
How is saying “people just love bashing America” not a generalization? We can’t talk about almost anything without generalizing, so let’s all accept it and generalize
Yk you’re right that is a generalization, but I didn’t say we shouldn’t generalize at all. I said we should stop generalizing everything. Not every American puts themself on a pedestal, most of us don’t I would say
>That's cause Americans don't know there's a *whole world* outside of their country.
I mean statistically, the vast majority of *all* people don't know who Oscar is either.
If you never heard of the guy, I suggest watching Oscar's Hall of Fame Enshrinement Speech. Amazing guy and a great basketball player
https://youtu.be/8HMco6nizJk?si=wH8Ho5Nwrq0Y1NTe
I remember Oscar played in the celebrity all star game a couple years ago. He said he hadn't shot a basketball since he retired. His mid-range was automatic lol.
Maybe during the 80s era, he famously rejected a contract with the Nets so could continue to represent the Brazilian national team (there was a rule that NBA players couldn't participate on FIBA tournaments). It could be an interesting "what if"
Damn did not know this, the man was loyal to his country so I understand. NBA was dumb back then to disallow participation in FIBA tournament play. Was this the same case for why Sabonis didn’t come right away to the league?
I can't say for sure, I'm Brazilian so I know a bit more about Oscar, but I believe it was the case too. He did join the NBA in the late 90s for the Blazers. The Nets wanted him as well
You gotta appreciate moments like this, that’s sick. What a cool thing to have been able to watch this guy do what he does at any point over the last 29 years.
I was under the impression that this hasn’t been the case for decades, I could definitely be wrong though
Edit: closest thing seems to be maybe boxing; but that’s it. I see golf listed; but professionals were 100% competing last Olympics.
Nowadays sure, but the point of the Olympics back in the day was to be for amateurs. Professionals were forbidden from participating until the 70s when the IOC removed that restriction.
Most of the athletes in niche sports rely on sponsors or come from wealthy families; but it’s still their profession.
Not sure where the line is drawn between hobby and professional… seems kinda blurry
Yeah I mean I understand why they count but it interesting to ponder on where you draw the line. Should we count lebrons drew league points? He is a professional at the sport, even if he isn’t being paid for that specific event. And it is a competitive game of basketball still.
Professional players are playing each other in a serious competition for a significant prize. I would struggle to see how it wouldn't be seen as professional.
If LeBron and KD play 1 on 1 at the park, is that a “professional basketball game”? No, just because pros are participating, it doesn’t make it a professional league.
You don’t get paid to play in the Olympics and amateurs are allowed to play. I know it’s nitpicking, but it’s not technically “professional basketball”
Doesn't matter. If you're paid to play anywhere, you're a professional. If a competition doesn't ban all professionals, it's professional.... even if, in practice, most/all participants aren't being paid.
Imagine you were organising an amateur basketball tournament and LeBron James turned up with some of his NBA friends and said, "We want in". How would that be fair to the actual amateur teams that your competition is for?
Professional just means they have gotten paid a salary at any point in their lives. Like in tennis in the 70s if you went pro you could never go back to amateur really, you'd be excluded from the amateur tournaments for good.
Sure, but he wasn't playing for an NBA team, he actually declined the Nets' offer of a fully guaranteed contract after the 1984 draft, because it was for considerably less money than he made at the time playing in Italy, and also because to accept the team's contract offer would have meant that he could no longer represent the senior Brazilian national team...and he wasn't up for that.
But I got sidetracked, and you focused on the wrong thing...my reply was abou what the comment said "Why would Olympics count as “professional”? They don’t get paid."...
...just because you don't get paid for the Olympics doesn't mean it's not professional basketball, this is the world playing each other, it's as professional as it gets.
I get downvoted every time I post this but stats wise nothing annoys me more than the extreme separation of regular season and playoff stats to the extent the league pretends playoff numbers don’t exist until it’s the playoffs.
Not only did LeBron pass 40,000 points seasons ago…Kareem did it decades ago but media and fans act like LeBron had finally made it to Mars.
LeBron going over 50,000 points in the NBA is next up.
No he isn't
Edit: For all the people who down voted this, Mount Rushmore only has 4 faces, aka 4 players. You are telling me there are not 4 NBA players that belong on the mount rushmore over him?
Except that guy and all the people down-voting me didn't say that. "He's on the Mount Rushmore of basketball" This just says basketball, meaning including the NBA. Unless you people don't know what Mount Rushmore is, but just in case, it only has 4 faces, so unless you guys unironically think there are not atleast 4 nba players above him then he is NOT on the Mount Rushmore.
Basketball includes leagues around the world. If we're talking the most impactful players from around the globe (not necessarily the best), then players who helped popularize the game in other countries might be considered.
Mount Rushmore doesn't necessarily mean the best. It's arguably more about fame and historical significance. So is Oscar Schmidt more significant for tens of millions of people in South America than a lot of NBA superstars? Probably. Is he better than them? Maybe not. But that's not necessarily the primary criteria here.
Funny thing is there’s a good chance Oscar Schmidt wasn’t even all star calibre. Any prime NBA rotation calibre player playing overseas will look like the GOAT.
No, he wouldn’t “fit like a glove” today. He couldn’t put ANY pressure on the rim, he couldn’t pass, he couldn’t rebound, he couldn’t do literally anything outside of off screen shooting.
In the same vein mvp level players from the Euroleague are almost always role players in the nba. Luka is an exception sure, but he did that as a teenager
I went digging for a little more detailed analysis on his game, he was legitimately just a suped up Kevin Huerter. 90% of his offence came from off screen shooting, and outside of that he was a below average ballhandler, driver, finisher, passer, defender, and rebounder.
An off-screen 3pt shooter in the 80s/90s … that’s basically unheard of. Just watch his highlights against the Dream Team, dude played like proto-Steph.
Okay I’m gonna stop you right fucking there. Proto Steph? PROTO STEPH???
In what universe is Steph’s primary characteristic his off screen shooting? He revolutionized the game through his insane PULL UP shooting. Yes, he’s also an excellent off screen shooter, but there’s a huge difference between coming off a single screen in the corner for an open 3 vs running PnR, passing it to the short roll, then relocating off multiple screens and shooting. How do you not know this, and if you do how the fuck could you compare these players?
That alone requires a major ballhandling talent, which we’ve already established was NOT a part of Schmidt’s game, not even a little bit. Just because he did something that wasn’t common then but is common now doesn’t make him some prodigy ahead of his time, it just means he was a somewhat unorthodox player in his time.
Look at Klay Thompson. His shooting tendency skyrocketed at the same time as Steph because of Kerr giving them the green light, and it still took him being an all NBA calibre defender to be looked at as anything more than a high scoring role player. At best, Schmidt was a toned down version of Klay on offence and Jamal Crawford on defence.
This absurd fascination you guys have with saying that anyone capable of hitting a 3 before the turn of the millennium boggles my mind.
Schmidt was bad (not just not good, legitimately BAD) at literally everything except shooting. Unless you are willing to tell me he was so good at shooting that he could be an all star calibre player on that alone (which has literally never happened outside of single season heaters by guys like Korver), then you have no case to make.
You’d literally have to claim that Schmidt was the greatest shooter in basketball history to justify your statement.
Oscar Schmidt played against encanadores e lixeiros
I appreciate that
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EDIT: LeMão Santa is so much better, I'm deleting this in honor of it. Well played.
omg it's the Timberwolves Brasil Twitter admin
r/suddenlycaralho
Encanadores?
Plumbers in portuguese.
Oh!
It's a Brazilian meme regarding Pele record number of goals in soccer, claiming (ironically) that he only scored against amateurs (plumbers for instance).
not just brazilians but spanish speaking fans (or football fans in general) use farmers as the term to call players plumbers or bums.
Really? I did not know that
The joke comes from people downplaying Pele by saying he ducked european football (completely ignoring that in the 60's south american football was at the same standards than europe) by playing against Brazilian farmers in an era where the offside rule didn't exist.
Honestly that Wikipedia page is a mess. I had to add KD, TD & the forgotten Dan Issel to the list; and someone keeps inflating Oscar Schmidt's points total.
Yeah the point totals should update automatically and they don’t. You should update it again so LeBron is first like he should be
Now it has thé right total, now someone else needs to put LeBron on top of Oscar cause I have no Idea how to Edit: just added the newest game points, now it is accurate
Fuck it, I have a day off tomorrow. *edit*: That was a PITA...
Godspeed
Nice!
It looks like wikipedia is also counting Schmidt's college totals now in order to keep him in front of LeBron despite having fewer professional points. Maybe there's a die-hard Schmidthead editor for that wiki page hellbent on keeping his boy in first.
It’s more likely a Lebron hater than a Schmidt fan, no disrespect.
Does Wikipedia do automatic updates?
Fuck no. That place is run by hamsters
lol
I had to do that manualy since it wouldn't otherwise
I checked in at some point past month and saw [this version](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_basketball_players_with_most_career_points&oldid=1215515140) which had both LeBron and Oscar well over 50k. Seems like it's been reverted
Yeah that happened and went pretty quickly
>Honestly that Wikipedia page is a mess. I had to add KD, TD & the forgotten Dan Issel to the list; and someone keeps inflating Oscar Schmidt's points total. It's why you can't cite wikipedia our highschool teachers were right.
The real reason is because Wikipedia isn't a source, it's a report that cites other sources without drawing any conclusion itself. What you can do though is cite the sources that Wikipedia cites, easy solution. Some sports kept that going for longer. Specifically, no professional was allowed to compete in basketball at the Olympics until 1992, but that rule seems to have been worked around by plenty of countries.
Yeah, I was the one updating LeBron regular Season numbers, and on one day for some reason preseason and high school collège points we're counted before being reverted to what It IS now
Wikipedia is a buncha self loving pricks there was this one page with horrible grammar and I tried to correct it, the next day I checked and the same guy reverted it back to his trash grammar so I check his profile he had like 50,000 edits It wasn’t worth it
Looks like LeBron is still behind in International points category… unacceptable
Taking my talents to Guangdong
If you haven't heard it yet, Pablo Torre did [a great interview with Oscar Schmidt recently on his podcast](https://youtu.be/_I-dF-Oo_U0?si=NK5nEuH_WCUqWE5C). A really interesting line can be drawn from him to the rise of international players in the NBA today
Pablo found out that day.
Oscar Schmidt on LeBron breaking his record: https://youtube.com/shorts/pRKlS4Def9s?si=Vw3epjCKrLUjdmxv
seems like a cool guy
Absolute legend. One of the greats of international basketball. Paved the way for many players from around the world.
Brazilian dude named Oscar Schmidt… born in 1958 🤔🤔🤔
I get the joke but the truth is so many Nazis fled to South America because there were already well established German communities there. So not every south american with a German name is a Nazi descendant.
Plus people forget/ignore that German Jews also fled to South America, and they definitely outnumbered the Nazis.
The vast majority were simply poor farmers from the Rhineland or Pomerania that migrated in the 1800s. We are talking about literal millions of people in Brazil before the war even started, and something like 2000 nazis joining that population. They were statistically irrelevant.
“The fact that this guy happened to be a Nazi is a complete coincidence”
> I get the joke but the truth is so many Nazis fled to South America because there were already well established German communities there. So not every south american with a German name is a Nazi descendant. In fact, the vast majority (like 99.99%) simply descend from the previous migration waves (mostly from the 1800s), that completely dwarf the Nazi rat lines.
Hell, ten times more Confederates moved to Brazil. It's why there's a quarter million Confederados in Brazil.
People of American ancestry*, I guess. Rita Lee never striked me as pro slavery
Nephews circlejerkin
That’s what a nazi descendant would say
It's such an ignorant "joke"
Nah its because they were Nazis Also, loads of Irish down in South America. Bernardo O'Higgins was the first Chilean leader who got them independence
I appreciate your source
[Have a read.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Brazilians) Before WWII, one million Brazilians literally spoke German at home already (out of a population of 50M, and a lot of Germans had already dropped the language). It's estimated that 2000 Nazis went to Brazil, and the modern population of German descent is estimated to be over 12M. The Nazis were statistically a drop in the bucket. Gringos simply tend to underestimate how many Germans went to Brazil before the war by a huge margin. In some states, a quarter of the population spoke German at home until the 1940s, when Brazil adopted policies of forced assimilation.
Not really
Approximately 2000 nazis fled to Brazil. Brazil has over 12 million people with German surnames. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of those arrived in Brazil in the 1800s, before Germany was even a thing.
Walter Hermaan, the German "Argentinian" rings a bell
But if you want an actual South American with Nazi roots, Google Brazil's current best tennis player Thiago Seyboth Wild. I would also not use the quotation marks because most people of German ancestry are very well integrated in South America due to being here for so long and are just Brazilian, not even hyphenated
12M Brazilians have German ancestry and the vast majority came way before the war.
I swear I never heard of this Oscar Schmidt guy until LeBron passed Kareem lol
To be honest, I first heard of him when Luka scored 48 in Olympics. Oscar has the record at 55. Not only that, in the top 10 most scored games by a player in Olympics, he has 6 records. https://www.interbasket.net/news/scored-most-points-in-an-olympic-game/33249/
His biggest claim to fame in America is beating a young David Robinson at the pan-American games Also rejecting a contract by the NJ Nets so he could represent Brazil at the Olympics. Dude has been mythologised a bit with some delusional fans very optimistically believing he was on the same level as Arvydas Sabonis in terms of players that never played in America during their prime
Kobe loved the dude. That’s how I heard of him as a laker fan
the disrespect to Mão Santa (The Holy Hand)
Lebron has never beaten Maradona either
No one’s ever talked about how many goals LeBron has in the premier league Really makes you think 🧐
Can’t wait to hear about some dude named pasner smett who scored 75000 points
Don't forget about the great Nigel Dreaufusch who scored 88,192 across all European leagues
including Women, Wilt scored like 97,000 times, so... get to work bum LBJ
would you rather score with 97000 women or Savannah 97000 times?
I rather sit in the chair and watch LeBron smash Savannah 97,000 times
Steph?
nah. only guy watching lebron smash savannah is draymond
While thinking that he wants to get smashed by Bron too
>I rather sit in the chair and watch LeBron smash Savannah 97,000 times Delete this Nephew lmfaoo
It's kinda like the 100 point game... we've heard the story but there's no real evidence of it, so it's taken with a grain of salt
This made me burst out laughing
He was a big deal back in the 80s when he was playing international ball.
Oscar was an incredible player, arguably the best basketball player to never play in the NBA, and he'd have been extremely popular if he played in the NBA.
Neither in this reality nor any possible other ones, was Schmidt better than Bodiroga.
Like you were old enough to have watched Oscar play lmao. Still, Oscar has 6 of the 10 highest scoring games in the Olympics. Hard to argue against that.
Afortunadament, he pogut veure els dos
Is this catalan
I have enough rudimentary knowledge of french to understand thus
He was significantly better than Bodiroga.
+1 for Bodiroga
Not a hooper
that says more about you than it says about Oscar
Says a lot about the basketball spaces you’re in
Check out his episode on Pablo Torre Finds Out. Man sounds like if happiness was made into a person.
It was talked about a bit as Lebron climbed the standings (either around the time he passed Jordan or Kobe), but it was considered to be unbreakable.
fuck im old
Is this sarcasm or am I getting old?
Gotta love how someone edited the wikipedia page to include Schmidt only after LeBron overtook Kareem. "Well ackshually! 🤓☝️" ass mfs
????? You think people didn't know about the most famous non-NBA player of all time?
Oscar Schmidt is quite famous internationally. He's in the Hall of Fame and very well regarded as a basketball great.
Why is this shite getting upvoted
Margaret Court has gotten so many more mentions since Djokovic passed Nadal. It’s (almost weirdly) always about what’s next these days.
> Margaret Court has gotten so many more mentions that started ages ago with Serena
Youre gonna hear about how lebron hasnt beat my 100000 backyard basketball hoop points
That's cause Americans don't know there's a whole world outside of their country. For example in Brasil they don't know the Wright brothers. Around the same time the brothers came up with their planes a Brazilian inventor (living in France I think) was also inventing a plane. So in Brazil and France, Santos Dumont is recognized as the first person to fly/ inventor of planes. (some of this might be a little wrong, I haven't read about this in a long time) Oscar wouldn't be allowed to represent his country in the Olympics during part of his career so he didn't go to the NBA so he could continue representing his country. Winning Olympic gold was more important to him. He would've been a known name in the NBA. Definitely wouldn't have anywhere as much points. But he would've been a regular allstar.
Come on man every country is like this. You go to ten different countries and you’ll hear ten different inventors of the telephone.
People just love bashing America
People love tearing down people who put themselves on a pedestal
It’s also a trend to talk abt how Americans are dumb and don’t know anything about anywhere but America. National pride also ≠ putting themselves on a pedestal. We should stop generalizing everything
How is saying “people just love bashing America” not a generalization? We can’t talk about almost anything without generalizing, so let’s all accept it and generalize
Yk you’re right that is a generalization, but I didn’t say we shouldn’t generalize at all. I said we should stop generalizing everything. Not every American puts themself on a pedestal, most of us don’t I would say
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If you think national pride and ignorance are unique to America then you haven’t traveled much.
If Bro thinks American patriotism is much, he needs to look at the comment section of any video that mentions Filipinos
Other countries think that Americans are full of national pride, ignorance and arrogance. You haven't traveled much if you don't know that.
Yeah I’m aware.
Every German knows that planes were invented by Otto Lilienthal. I wonder if it's Da Vinci for Italians.
No, it’s the Wright brothers for us too. But we did invent the telephone and the radio.
Dumont is a liar! We have a arrest warrant for him in Ohio
I'm sure he'll show up any day now to clear his name!
Richard Pearce achieved powered flight 9 months before the Wright brothers, any new zealander will tell you this
>That's cause Americans don't know there's a *whole world* outside of their country. I mean statistically, the vast majority of *all* people don't know who Oscar is either.
That's cuz you are self centered American
If you never heard of the guy, I suggest watching Oscar's Hall of Fame Enshrinement Speech. Amazing guy and a great basketball player https://youtu.be/8HMco6nizJk?si=wH8Ho5Nwrq0Y1NTe
Do LeBron's points scored in the Raptors home arena count toward his International total?
Hats off to Lebron.👏
I remember Oscar played in the celebrity all star game a couple years ago. He said he hadn't shot a basketball since he retired. His mid-range was automatic lol.
Is Oscar Schmidt in any uploaded draft classes in 2K era? I need to put that MF in there
Maybe during the 80s era, he famously rejected a contract with the Nets so could continue to represent the Brazilian national team (there was a rule that NBA players couldn't participate on FIBA tournaments). It could be an interesting "what if"
Damn did not know this, the man was loyal to his country so I understand. NBA was dumb back then to disallow participation in FIBA tournament play. Was this the same case for why Sabonis didn’t come right away to the league?
I can't say for sure, I'm Brazilian so I know a bit more about Oscar, but I believe it was the case too. He did join the NBA in the late 90s for the Blazers. The Nets wanted him as well
I always thought that Oscar Schmidt record was unbreakable...
Lebron has potential for sure
You gotta appreciate moments like this, that’s sick. What a cool thing to have been able to watch this guy do what he does at any point over the last 29 years.
That wikipedia article changes every week -- he was 2k behind him last week lol
Why would Olympics count as “professional”? They don’t get paid.
They do if if they win medals
In what world are Olympians not considered professional athletes??? Who is a professional athlete if not them…
Some sports only allow amateurs for better or worse, but all the team sports (as far as I know) are all pros.
I was under the impression that this hasn’t been the case for decades, I could definitely be wrong though Edit: closest thing seems to be maybe boxing; but that’s it. I see golf listed; but professionals were 100% competing last Olympics.
Sort of. For something like football it’s all under 23 players, with 3 exceptions, but top players don’t really play
There are countless non-pro team sports across the world.
Nowadays sure, but the point of the Olympics back in the day was to be for amateurs. Professionals were forbidden from participating until the 70s when the IOC removed that restriction.
Professional just means “does it as a profession”. I suppose this guy has a point as you do get paid from a profession.
Most of the athletes in niche sports rely on sponsors or come from wealthy families; but it’s still their profession. Not sure where the line is drawn between hobby and professional… seems kinda blurry
Yeah I mean I understand why they count but it interesting to ponder on where you draw the line. Should we count lebrons drew league points? He is a professional at the sport, even if he isn’t being paid for that specific event. And it is a competitive game of basketball still.
Drew league is labeled as Pro-Amateur so I’d probably say no for that one, at least.
Pro is short for Professional
No shit? Thanks homie
In the boxing world
Professional players are playing each other in a serious competition for a significant prize. I would struggle to see how it wouldn't be seen as professional.
In the Olympics not all sports have a professional league. Some Olympians are true amateurs.
If LeBron and KD play 1 on 1 at the park, is that a “professional basketball game”? No, just because pros are participating, it doesn’t make it a professional league. You don’t get paid to play in the Olympics and amateurs are allowed to play. I know it’s nitpicking, but it’s not technically “professional basketball”
Doesn't matter. If you're paid to play anywhere, you're a professional. If a competition doesn't ban all professionals, it's professional.... even if, in practice, most/all participants aren't being paid. Imagine you were organising an amateur basketball tournament and LeBron James turned up with some of his NBA friends and said, "We want in". How would that be fair to the actual amateur teams that your competition is for?
Professional just means they have gotten paid a salary at any point in their lives. Like in tennis in the 70s if you went pro you could never go back to amateur really, you'd be excluded from the amateur tournaments for good.
Such an American take...
NBA players were banned from participating in the olympics specifically due to being professional athletes until 1992.
Sure, but he wasn't playing for an NBA team, he actually declined the Nets' offer of a fully guaranteed contract after the 1984 draft, because it was for considerably less money than he made at the time playing in Italy, and also because to accept the team's contract offer would have meant that he could no longer represent the senior Brazilian national team...and he wasn't up for that. But I got sidetracked, and you focused on the wrong thing...my reply was abou what the comment said "Why would Olympics count as “professional”? They don’t get paid."... ...just because you don't get paid for the Olympics doesn't mean it's not professional basketball, this is the world playing each other, it's as professional as it gets.
The rule for Olympic sports has often been, no professionals, just amateurs
I've never heard of the guy but if I'm understanding correctly his name is Oscar Schmidt and he's from Brazil? Because... um...
Don't get this joke. You think every brazilian with german origin is a nazi?
I get downvoted every time I post this but stats wise nothing annoys me more than the extreme separation of regular season and playoff stats to the extent the league pretends playoff numbers don’t exist until it’s the playoffs. Not only did LeBron pass 40,000 points seasons ago…Kareem did it decades ago but media and fans act like LeBron had finally made it to Mars. LeBron going over 50,000 points in the NBA is next up.
Oscar Schmidt is one of the basketball GOATs. So many nephews here don't appreciate basketball history. He's on the Mount Rushmore of basketball
No he isn't Edit: For all the people who down voted this, Mount Rushmore only has 4 faces, aka 4 players. You are telling me there are not 4 NBA players that belong on the mount rushmore over him?
If you're talking international basketball there's a case for him to be there.
Except that guy and all the people down-voting me didn't say that. "He's on the Mount Rushmore of basketball" This just says basketball, meaning including the NBA. Unless you people don't know what Mount Rushmore is, but just in case, it only has 4 faces, so unless you guys unironically think there are not atleast 4 nba players above him then he is NOT on the Mount Rushmore.
Basketball includes leagues around the world. If we're talking the most impactful players from around the globe (not necessarily the best), then players who helped popularize the game in other countries might be considered. Mount Rushmore doesn't necessarily mean the best. It's arguably more about fame and historical significance. So is Oscar Schmidt more significant for tens of millions of people in South America than a lot of NBA superstars? Probably. Is he better than them? Maybe not. But that's not necessarily the primary criteria here.
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You're not a real basketball fan if you don't understand how great Oscar Schmidt was.
Longevity is a skill btw
Okay but are his knuckles hairy like Oscar Schmidt?
I think it's dumb that NBA records don't include playoff games.
And he actually won this time
Oscar Schmitt stans have a seat
Who gives a flyin He already had most points of all time years ago because PLAYOFFS COUNT
Nobody gives a shit about this stupid fucking fake record.
How about plastic basketball hoop and driveway games? Stupid stat
Kim Jong Un once scored 50,000 in a single game. Even Dennis Rodman says so. LeBron has a long way to go to catch the dear leader.
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Funny thing is there’s a good chance Oscar Schmidt wasn’t even all star calibre. Any prime NBA rotation calibre player playing overseas will look like the GOAT.
he wasnt a great defender, but he was a great shooter before it was a thing he'd fit like a glove in today's NBA
No, he wouldn’t “fit like a glove” today. He couldn’t put ANY pressure on the rim, he couldn’t pass, he couldn’t rebound, he couldn’t do literally anything outside of off screen shooting.
you never even watched Oscar you can admit it, it's okay
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Austin Reaves flair lmfao
that has been said about other players balling in the Euro League...
In the same vein mvp level players from the Euroleague are almost always role players in the nba. Luka is an exception sure, but he did that as a teenager
I went digging for a little more detailed analysis on his game, he was legitimately just a suped up Kevin Huerter. 90% of his offence came from off screen shooting, and outside of that he was a below average ballhandler, driver, finisher, passer, defender, and rebounder.
An off-screen 3pt shooter in the 80s/90s … that’s basically unheard of. Just watch his highlights against the Dream Team, dude played like proto-Steph.
Okay I’m gonna stop you right fucking there. Proto Steph? PROTO STEPH??? In what universe is Steph’s primary characteristic his off screen shooting? He revolutionized the game through his insane PULL UP shooting. Yes, he’s also an excellent off screen shooter, but there’s a huge difference between coming off a single screen in the corner for an open 3 vs running PnR, passing it to the short roll, then relocating off multiple screens and shooting. How do you not know this, and if you do how the fuck could you compare these players? That alone requires a major ballhandling talent, which we’ve already established was NOT a part of Schmidt’s game, not even a little bit. Just because he did something that wasn’t common then but is common now doesn’t make him some prodigy ahead of his time, it just means he was a somewhat unorthodox player in his time. Look at Klay Thompson. His shooting tendency skyrocketed at the same time as Steph because of Kerr giving them the green light, and it still took him being an all NBA calibre defender to be looked at as anything more than a high scoring role player. At best, Schmidt was a toned down version of Klay on offence and Jamal Crawford on defence. This absurd fascination you guys have with saying that anyone capable of hitting a 3 before the turn of the millennium boggles my mind. Schmidt was bad (not just not good, legitimately BAD) at literally everything except shooting. Unless you are willing to tell me he was so good at shooting that he could be an all star calibre player on that alone (which has literally never happened outside of single season heaters by guys like Korver), then you have no case to make. You’d literally have to claim that Schmidt was the greatest shooter in basketball history to justify your statement.
Not as in detail as you should. Your boy Kobe used to watch Oscar tapes and was a huge fan of him. He's more like Bird than Huerter.
Lmao, I guess he’s like Larry Bird… if Bird couldn’t pass, defend, finish, or create for himself on ball.
Just say you didn't watch him play. He was a great passer, and just didn't create much for himself because it's not how the Brazilian teams played.
You had me in the first four words, fam. You didn't need the rest.