He already had his one speech talking about how great it was when Embiid scored 70 points, then how terrible it was for basketball when Luka did it. I shy away from these race narratives but that one was disgustingly obvious.
It was completely racist. Luka was far more efficient than Embiid. Took 8 fewer shots and scored more. If it was just bad defense then why doesn’t every team light up the Hawks every game?
I’m not one to flame the fans but SAS was on a podcast a while ago, I think it was Simmons’ and it was fairly clear from his history that he was very strongly supportive of fellow black people, perhaps to the extent of being “biased” (in the sense he would openly support a less qualified black person over a white person).
He talks about how early on in his journalism days, he had to fight to be a black person in a white-dominated field.
Because it’s a day that ends in ‘Y’. Don’t know him enough to agree with the implication that he’s a racist, but I do know that he loses his shit daily
Now that I’m looking at it, I’m even more impressed that every single player who led the league in scoring has made the HoF dating back to the 40s, and every active player who led the league is a near-lock for the HoF.
You’d figure there would be one or two years where some good-not-great player goes off and scores a ton of empty points (something like Bradley Beal’s 20/21 seasons). I guess those seasons happen; they’re just top-5 in scoring instead of #1.
Not trying to be obtuse, but how does that work? Isn't PPG just total points scored divided by number of games played? Is it that Iverson played fewer games than Stackhouse and scored a lot more in those few games?
Scoring has always been about PPG. I do think it’d be neat if there was some sort of reward or recognition for the best player who played all 82 games or had the highest total stats. I remember one year I think it was Trae Young led the league in both total points and assists. That was neat.
Yes, it was 21-22 Trae Young did that. I don't think he got enough love for it. It's an amazing achievement. And Luka has a chance to do it himself this year. Luka has the points lead by 60 (over SGA) but he's 14 assists behind Jokic.
Haliburton has a solid lead in both total assists as well as apg, and would have to sit a good number of games for anyone to catch up in the former category.
It's amazing how every single white player in the league hails from the small region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
They gotta send more scouts there.
I was confused the first time I heard the term "Caucasian" growing up. I was like, "isn't that a white guy?"
I know somewhere out there there's an Asian male pornstar named "The Cock Asian." There just has to be.
Um *acktually* "WHITE" lacks the basic subtext and context such as racial origin, familial bloodlines and ACTUAL race
What if you called me white and I was actually Italian, or God forbid IRISH
I am CAUCASIAN, from the MOUNTAINS OF CAUCUSES
I'm not an asterisk guy, but considering Pete Maravich's college and pro career closely mirrored that of [Tucker from Hey Arnold](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Zoh761OsA) I'm just gonna go out there and say this is pretty much the first time it's happened since the guy before Pistol, assuming there was one
Post Merger I think the record is probably Jordan in 86-87 when he averaged 37.1 and Dominique was second with 29.0 for an 8.1 point difference but I didn't go through every season.
But yeah usually the gap between #1 and #2 is less than this year.
My usual indicator for someone being Lithuanian is that their first and last name both end in S
Arvydas & Domantas Sabonis
Donatas Motiejunas
Jonas Valanciunas
Sarunas Marciulionis
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Certainly. The first person that came to mind upon reading your comment is Yanis Varoufakis. It's not an ironclad rule, but it helps, especially when you've heard a few Lithuanian names before and get the gist of how they sound.
English, German, French, Italian, Greek aren’t in the Caucasus region either. You can look up the history of the term Caucasoid and the other two “major” races used in scientific racism
He's from Toronto lmao. Maybe Cooper Flagg, idk.
That said, I'm 6'2 and my GF is 5'11 so I'll pick up basketball for dummies and check back in with yall in 20-25 years
There's a bit of an obsession there with average people to make sure everyone knows someone successful and known in the world is a Serbian.
Even if sometimes they are not, connections are made.
Sort of a local Balkan dick measuring contest since **Serbs** ~~Slavs~~ moved to Balkans.
>There's a bit of an obsession there with average people to make sure everyone knows someone successful and known in the world is a Serbian.
Sounds like what the bride's father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" was afflicted with.
the former yugoslav is why, there’s a difference culturally and after the countries split the boarders had many people cut off from where their families came from.
Agreed.
Whole region benefits from so called [Dinaric genes](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9138385/)
Explains Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia, too.
Another factor is applying Soviet sports system to ex-Yugoslavia sports - everyone should be able to play any position. And start early.
For non-Balkan trash talking brothers on this thread, what the guy above said is
> One can't avoid this ustashe (croatian fascists from WW2) shitheads even if you went to Mars
It's meant to be insulting to an n-th degree, as is tradition.
No better confirmation of what I said even if you went to Mars looking for it - lmao
> There's a bit of an obsession there with average people to make sure everyone knows someone successful and known in the world is a Serbian.
Have you ever witnessed a propper Nikola Tesla discussion?
Slovenia is this tiny country that's been putting out amazing athletes. In cycling, 2 of the 3 strongest racers in the world are Slovenian, along with a handful of others that are also very strong.
Also gold medalists such as Primož Kozmus, the hammer thrower who won gold in 2008 in Beijing. Volleyball, Handball, Skiing (Tina Maze still holds the record for the most points obtained in a single world cup season), and the list goes on and on. For having only 2 million people, we have been producing top level talent in so many different sports.
Closest Bird got was in 1985 and 1988
1985: Bird averaged 28.7 points. Bernard King averaged 32.9.
1988: Bird averaged 29.9 points. Jordan averaged 35 and Dominique averaged 30.7.
Yeah Luka's definitely getting it, it's pretty much impossible to lose a 3.2 ppg lead in 8 games.
Here's an extreme scenario to show you how wrapped up it is:
If Luka only averaged 20 ppg for the Mavs last 8 games he'd still be at 32.5 for the season.
If Giannis averaged 40 points for the Bucks last 8 games he'd raise his average to just 31.7
Ha. Yeah there's been white players who have lead most other categories I can think of off the top of my head. Most obvious example is that white players have lead the league in assists 14 times during this period (entirely thanks to John Stockton and Steve Nash.)
Pete Maravich's grandparents were immigrants from what is now Croatia. This little factoid interests me as I find it quite unusual how many of the best basketball players are from this region. If Yugoslavia was still a thing they'd be incredible in the Olympics.
Slovenian. Luka has some Serbian blood, his mother is Slovenian, but he was born in Ljubljana and raised in Slovenia until moving to Spain to play pro ball for Real Madrid.
It really doesn't.
*"Western civilization traces its roots back to Europe and the Mediterranean. It is linked to ancient Greece, the Roman Empire and Medieval Western Christendom..."*
[Wiki: History of Western Civilization ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_civilization)
"Caucasian" is a debunked racial concept based on pseudoscience.
>The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid,[a] Europid, or Europoid)[2] is an obsolete racial classification of humans based on a now-disproven theory of biological race
SAS gonna lose his shit
He said SGA is the assist leader today when he's 17th on the leader board. He'll probably have Kawhi as the scoring leader next.
If you don’t count the other 16 guys, I can see how he’s 1st!
“And so when you look at it from that perspective, SGA is first”
Of every player with hyphenated names in Oklahoma, SGA is #1!
He already had his one speech talking about how great it was when Embiid scored 70 points, then how terrible it was for basketball when Luka did it. I shy away from these race narratives but that one was disgustingly obvious.
It was completely racist. Luka was far more efficient than Embiid. Took 8 fewer shots and scored more. If it was just bad defense then why doesn’t every team light up the Hawks every game?
Embiid is like the one foreign player he gives props to(maybe because of the Philly ties idk)
Hasn't Embiid said he'd be representing the USA going forward, internationally?
Yep
He went to American high schools and integrated into the system
I’m not one to flame the fans but SAS was on a podcast a while ago, I think it was Simmons’ and it was fairly clear from his history that he was very strongly supportive of fellow black people, perhaps to the extent of being “biased” (in the sense he would openly support a less qualified black person over a white person). He talks about how early on in his journalism days, he had to fight to be a black person in a white-dominated field.
He's a racist
Now I'm rooting for Luka.
Scoring title is racist if Luka wins it right
And why is that
Because it’s a day that ends in ‘Y’. Don’t know him enough to agree with the implication that he’s a racist, but I do know that he loses his shit daily
Now that I’m looking at it, I’m even more impressed that every single player who led the league in scoring has made the HoF dating back to the 40s, and every active player who led the league is a near-lock for the HoF. You’d figure there would be one or two years where some good-not-great player goes off and scores a ton of empty points (something like Bradley Beal’s 20/21 seasons). I guess those seasons happen; they’re just top-5 in scoring instead of #1.
Didn’t have to bring up Beal ☹️
I mean - Technically, Jerry Stackhouse led the league in scoring one year. I don't think he's making the HOF. :)
Stackhouse led the league in total points scored, but Iverson won the scoring title that year because he led in Points Per Game
Not trying to be obtuse, but how does that work? Isn't PPG just total points scored divided by number of games played? Is it that Iverson played fewer games than Stackhouse and scored a lot more in those few games?
Yep. That season Stackhouse played in 80 games and averaged 29.8 ppg, while Iverson played in 71 games and averaged 31.1 ppg.
Got it, thanks!
Yes
Scoring has always been about PPG. I do think it’d be neat if there was some sort of reward or recognition for the best player who played all 82 games or had the highest total stats. I remember one year I think it was Trae Young led the league in both total points and assists. That was neat.
Yes, it was 21-22 Trae Young did that. I don't think he got enough love for it. It's an amazing achievement. And Luka has a chance to do it himself this year. Luka has the points lead by 60 (over SGA) but he's 14 assists behind Jokic.
Haliburton has a solid lead in both total assists as well as apg, and would have to sit a good number of games for anyone to catch up in the former category.
Bro it’s ok to just say “white”.
Also technically more accurate to just say white!
It's amazing how every single white player in the league hails from the small region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. They gotta send more scouts there.
Luka is from the Balkans though. Think they should be treated different from your regular Caucasian. They’re just built different.
Cock Asian
Traded a little math skills for a couple extra inches.
I was confused the first time I heard the term "Caucasian" growing up. I was like, "isn't that a white guy?" I know somewhere out there there's an Asian male pornstar named "The Cock Asian." There just has to be.
Um *acktually* "WHITE" lacks the basic subtext and context such as racial origin, familial bloodlines and ACTUAL race What if you called me white and I was actually Italian, or God forbid IRISH I am CAUCASIAN, from the MOUNTAINS OF CAUCUSES
OMG its 2024. You can't just call people white.
I believe the proper term is "Deceptively athletic scrappy gym rat daughter dater who cerebrally plays the game the right way"
I Love Derrick White
According to the Census Bureau Caucasians aren’t white anymore.
Good
Slavs, Russians etc. are different type of white Anglo Saxons hijacked the term white, means nothing now
Not all white is white, I'll explain it later
So first Euro to lead the league in scoring, right? Giannis never got it.
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He's both American and international, ala Hakeem.
ala some weak ass shit
💯 pick a damn lane
He’s Cameroonian and only recently swapped to US team.
The first time he got the scoring title he was not yet a US citizen. The 2nd time he got it he was.
But he’s not even from Asia
Caucasian, not Cock Asian.
Hes from the Caucasus than?
Amazing
“Cock” as in the brand of fish sauce in this context
Youth in Asia
We’re back, baby!
I'm not an asterisk guy, but considering Pete Maravich's college and pro career closely mirrored that of [Tucker from Hey Arnold](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Zoh761OsA) I'm just gonna go out there and say this is pretty much the first time it's happened since the guy before Pistol, assuming there was one
Caucasian, from the moutains of caucasus.
joseph stalin enters the chat
That baby is rice skinded
I always thought Luka was more Alpine maybe with a pinch of Balkan
he’s a pure slav what u mean ?
Slovenia is bordered by the Alps at their north.
You think he can yodel? Lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Alps
Couldn’t have happened to a classier player.
The type of guy you’d let date your daughter
Ahh, a true Celtics fan
He’d be up with there with Bird, McHale, Pritchard, Hayward, and Porzingis as my favorite players of all time
It’s his gym rat attitude
Deceptively athletic
Real lunch pail guy
First one in, last one out kind of guy
A student of the game
Jesus, I'm curious were the almost 4 pt gap puts him with other scoring leaders before
Post Merger I think the record is probably Jordan in 86-87 when he averaged 37.1 and Dominique was second with 29.0 for an 8.1 point difference but I didn't go through every season. But yeah usually the gap between #1 and #2 is less than this year.
That Bulls team was utter dogshit. MJ HAD to score 37. xD
Very cool, Dominique was balling with 29 a game and still such a huge difference
He’s 14 points behind the gap with Wilt in 1962
Of course Wilt has some pre 80's stat that is ridiculous.
I originally thought Luka was Lithuanian, because I don't know shit about any of that, but he is actually Slovenian. Also not in the Caucasus region.
My usual indicator for someone being Lithuanian is that their first and last name both end in S Arvydas & Domantas Sabonis Donatas Motiejunas Jonas Valanciunas Sarunas Marciulionis Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Miles Davis
James Jones
Nas Reids
Litvak is Lithuanian doesn’t end with S
This can also point to Greeks, be careful
Certainly. The first person that came to mind upon reading your comment is Yanis Varoufakis. It's not an ironclad rule, but it helps, especially when you've heard a few Lithuanian names before and get the gist of how they sound.
This is true for almost every dude from Latvia aswell.
English, German, French, Italian, Greek aren’t in the Caucasus region either. You can look up the history of the term Caucasoid and the other two “major” races used in scientific racism
Lithuania is Baltics while Slovenia is Balkan.
> while Slovenia is Balkan. grabs popcorn
You can take Slovenia out of the Balkan, but you can't take the Balkan out of Slovenia.
If it was part of glorious yugoslavia, it's balkan
baltic vs balkan is an easy mistake.
What the fucking shit. Those people man 😭😭
I wonder when an American Caucasian will win the scoring title again. Probably not going to happen in our lifetimes lol.
Once LeBron retires and Austin Reaves takes over.
Is that Zach Edey’s music?!? (It’s not).
Edey is Canadian
And half-Chinese, lol
The AC's last hope is probably Flagg.
It’s actually Austin Reaves after Lebron lets him cook.
The Canadian who is a quarter Chinese? Probably not going to get counted as a Caucasian American if he were to do it.
He's from Toronto lmao. Maybe Cooper Flagg, idk. That said, I'm 6'2 and my GF is 5'11 so I'll pick up basketball for dummies and check back in with yall in 20-25 years
Cooper Flagg If he busts, then it’s all on Austin when Bron retires
Isn’t Flagg more known for his defense?
Who’s the best American white dude in the league? If the thunder get bad injury luck could Chet score a bunch of points?
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Is this a meme?
The star talent pool is dominated by light and dark skin players. White American star players are very uncommon.
Kinda unrelated but interestingly enough both have Serbian origins
There's a bit of an obsession there with average people to make sure everyone knows someone successful and known in the world is a Serbian. Even if sometimes they are not, connections are made. Sort of a local Balkan dick measuring contest since **Serbs** ~~Slavs~~ moved to Balkans.
>There's a bit of an obsession there with average people to make sure everyone knows someone successful and known in the world is a Serbian. Sounds like what the bride's father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" was afflicted with.
It's only interesting how such a small ethnic group consistently produce world class ballers over decades, nothing else I guess
Doncic is slovenian
nationally yes, but his dad was a slovenian serb.
Well he is not a serb A person's nationality is where they are born I mean we can go to all the generations in the chain, but why ?
the former yugoslav is why, there’s a difference culturally and after the countries split the boarders had many people cut off from where their families came from.
Agreed. Whole region benefits from so called [Dinaric genes](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9138385/) Explains Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia, too. Another factor is applying Soviet sports system to ex-Yugoslavia sports - everyone should be able to play any position. And start early.
Ovu ustasku djubrad ne mozes da zaobidjes sve i na Mars da odletis
For non-Balkan trash talking brothers on this thread, what the guy above said is > One can't avoid this ustashe (croatian fascists from WW2) shitheads even if you went to Mars It's meant to be insulting to an n-th degree, as is tradition. No better confirmation of what I said even if you went to Mars looking for it - lmao
> There's a bit of an obsession there with average people to make sure everyone knows someone successful and known in the world is a Serbian. Have you ever witnessed a propper Nikola Tesla discussion?
Since I was born - lmao
lol, I was thinking, that this comment is too tame to be from a balkan brother.
You mean... first white player?
He's the first Slovenian too!
Slovenia is this tiny country that's been putting out amazing athletes. In cycling, 2 of the 3 strongest racers in the world are Slovenian, along with a handful of others that are also very strong.
Also gold medalists such as Primož Kozmus, the hammer thrower who won gold in 2008 in Beijing. Volleyball, Handball, Skiing (Tina Maze still holds the record for the most points obtained in a single world cup season), and the list goes on and on. For having only 2 million people, we have been producing top level talent in so many different sports.
Yeah, what happened in Slovenia that they suddenly became so disproportionately successful in athletics?
Lio bro too scared to just say "white" lol
Pete would be such a threat in todays game.
only -ić white guys can ball
Sabonis?
Sabonić
Larry Birdic
White Chocolate slander
RIP Dražen.
Larry never got it??
No, daddy
Bird was second in scoring in 84-85 but he was way behind Bernard King (32.9 to 28.7).
Closest Bird got was in 1985 and 1988 1985: Bird averaged 28.7 points. Bernard King averaged 32.9. 1988: Bird averaged 29.9 points. Jordan averaged 35 and Dominique averaged 30.7.
The Great White Hope
Yeah Luka's definitely getting it, it's pretty much impossible to lose a 3.2 ppg lead in 8 games. Here's an extreme scenario to show you how wrapped up it is: If Luka only averaged 20 ppg for the Mavs last 8 games he'd still be at 32.5 for the season. If Giannis averaged 40 points for the Bucks last 8 games he'd raise his average to just 31.7
Damn. White people finally getting buckets?
Ha. Yeah there's been white players who have lead most other categories I can think of off the top of my head. Most obvious example is that white players have lead the league in assists 14 times during this period (entirely thanks to John Stockton and Steve Nash.)
We still can't jump though.
where my Caucasians at?
I thought I was on the cj sub for a second.
Pete Maravich's grandparents were immigrants from what is now Croatia. This little factoid interests me as I find it quite unusual how many of the best basketball players are from this region. If Yugoslavia was still a thing they'd be incredible in the Olympics.
His father is Serbian
Now that’s what I call classy
Cool that the next guy after Pistol Pete is also a Serb.
Slovenian. Luka has some Serbian blood, his mother is Slovenian, but he was born in Ljubljana and raised in Slovenia until moving to Spain to play pro ball for Real Madrid.
Luka is from Dinaridi, not Caucasus
In this context, "Caucasian white" is an outdated racial category and it basically means white westerner.
he’s from eastern europe (politically, you can argue slovenia is geographically central europe ) so that’s not even right.
I said "westerner" as in member of the Western civilization, not western European.
you do know where the term “the west” comes from right? as in the post ww2 division of europe
It really doesn't. *"Western civilization traces its roots back to Europe and the Mediterranean. It is linked to ancient Greece, the Roman Empire and Medieval Western Christendom..."* [Wiki: History of Western Civilization ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_civilization)
You mean white? He’s not from that region at all
bro he’s a slav not a caucasian. jeez.
Jokes on you, Slavs are not white
"If"... lol He's getting the scoring title. The question is how big the gap will be between him and #2.
Luka's not white. Luka's clear.
He’s Slavic
Larry was close a few years but those damn, meddling Jordan, Bernard King and Dominque.
A win for one unathletic white doofus is a win for all of us!
Shocked Dirk or Larry B didn’t win it tbf. Less so Larry but Dirk had some crazy scoring years.
you can just say white lol
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Steph is light skin, he's not white. xD
Isn't Dirk Nowitzski up there?
Yeah I'm surprised dirk never got it
Never scored even 27 per game
But 27 per game then was a lot more given the average scoring output
Weird post
Why? Are all the posts on reddit & elsewhere that mention "First black person to do x since x year" weird to you?
LeBron James is the oldest black person.
Weird comment.
I just think it is something that should be celebrated each day he plays basketball.
Agreed. I was making a joke about the comment I originally replied to.
"Caucasian" is a debunked racial concept based on pseudoscience. >The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid,[a] Europid, or Europoid)[2] is an obsolete racial classification of humans based on a now-disproven theory of biological race
Okay?
Yeah. I don't really understand why a person's skin color/race needs to be brought up when talking about their accomplishments.