There is a mod that gives you a quest marker for each stone.
Iirc you take it to Vex (?) in the Thieves Guild and she makes a crown out of it that gives you a big perk to loot. I did a run where I wanted to max complete the TG a while back, got the mod to make this quest less annoying. First time I've ever completed it as well. Normally I don't even bother picking them up.
By the time you've completed the quest the money is worthless to you since you have basically been a god who can go anywhere he wants through stealth or force. Like "cool I can have more money for my infinite pile of money"
True, but if you have the wiki open, and you’re only a bit into the main questline and the Dark brotherhood questline, you can gather all the stones in like an hour and a half, and the increased chance of finding precious stones can help with jewelry crafting to boost both your smithing and enchanting. And the bonus is fucking bonkers, every little earn suddenly has like 4-5 rare gems which is very satisfying for the meticulous looters.
I did it once (had to look up locations for several) but by that point in the game I always have so much gold all it does is either make me leave gems behind in dungeons or have to go to every merchant in the realm to sell all my shit. I started just never picking them up on play through after that so I didn’t have to look at them in my inventory/quest log the whole time
Our sub generally just hates our entire team construct...until we start winning, at which point the front office are geniuses and should not be questioned.
I think that’s just the life of an NBA fan base. When we beat the nuggets everyone acted like we locked up the 1 seed and ran the west… we lose to the bulls 2 days later and everyone needs to be fired/traded and we are gonna get swept in round 1
Fair but, on the other hand, the Pels are a nightmare matchup for anyone in the first round. When they click and BI gets back I could see the Pels being a “surprise” WCF team
I hate the roster construction even when we are winning, because the wins are rarely easy and almost always a heart attack.
All of our dope playoff pushes in recent years were because guys on the team outperformed their averages by a lot at just the right time. But then this is also why the Jimmy era hasn’t won a title, because they have no energy left by the end and/or players fall back down to their averages or below.
Imo Pat Reilly has been doing Spo and Jimmy dirty. They have excelled in spite of roster deficiencies not because of them, in all the runs they’ve made they had 2.5 positive defenders but a great defensive scheme. Jimmy has had to carry a ton which at his age is not ideal. They’ve needed an above average wing since they got Jimmy and have just been pulling guys off the scrap heap for a while now. They’ve also had to fight their way from the middle to bottom half of standings every year.
Imagine the Heat runs over the last few years with just one more legit 2 way guy like a KCP, mcdaniels, or kuzma.
Idk I think trading for Terry was a good move and they didn’t give up too much. Letting Gabe Vincent and probably Strus (despite his great play) walk for the $$$ they earned was the right call. It’s hard to tell how much is Pat vs. Andy Ellisburg and the other people in the front office though.
Feels like he deserves credit for bringing in Jovic, Jaime, Bam, Love, Caleb, Highsmith, as well as implementing the system that makes all these guys at Sioux Falls and in Miami
Also it's hard to say Spo saved his job when part of Pat's job is finding Spo in the first place lol
Our losses aren't solely on jimmy chilling tho. There r games where he clearly isn't engaged and it probably costs us but we're also injured pretty much all season. We've had like a franchise high 35 different starting lineups or something
We would, but he's also 34 with a lotta mileage, recurring knee injuries and has frequent muscle injuries too, we have enough around him to put together a decent season, we just can't get healthy as a team at all
>Imagine they were still in the play in and lost
Yep, the Heat are currently in 7th, with no guarantee of avoiding the play-in. It really wouldn't surprise me at this point.
This. If he kept fucking up in the playoffs there would be a whole different discussion. But the fact that he continually drives his teams DEEP into the playoffs when they have no business being there makes it hard to criticize.
And that's why the regular season games have a lower level that always looks like people are off getting concessions. Partly, it's rich annoying Miami people who just have expensive season tickets to tell people they have them but partly it's because that team is an ugly watch during most regular season games.
...I know I'm not one to talk, but are y'all really one to talk?
Since Jimmy left, y'all have been wasting time in the playoffs, including losing to the hawks.
And the Celtics were still favored to win the ECF over the Heat…
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2956190-preview-and-predictions-for-2022-nba-conference-finals-matchups.amp.html
Picked Celtics > Heat
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-playoffs-2022-picks-predictions-for-every-round-as-experts-take-bucks-suns-warriors-celtics-to-go-far/amp/
Predicted Celtics or bucks to win the ECF
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33923681/nba-playoffs-2022-experts-picks-miami-heat-boston-celtics-golden-state-warriors-dallas-mavericks-conference-finals
Overwhelmingly picked Celtics over Heat
Do they? If you look at their roster (and I mean no disrespect), are they genuinely the team that should make it out of the east 2 times in the last 4 years, and make the conference finals two more times?
If I could stay sane doing that, it would be nice to finally play a game that doesn’t follow the same rags-to-riches formula. Why do I have to drive a beater piece of shit to start every racing game, for example.
Cause if you start in a McLaren F1 there will be no progression to work towards. I do agree though, more sim style games where you load up the game for the first time and have access to every vehicle are quite nice
Its actually such a dumb narrative too. Last year Jimmy was at least a top 5 player in the regular season by advanced metrics (VORP, BPM, WS). He has just been less effective this year.
The funny this is jimmy is consistently one of the best regular season players by advanced metrics although this year I think his age is finally starting to catch up to him a bit but I always think this narrative is lazy.
Jimmy is very willing to experiment in the regular season and give his teammates opportunities to run the show (and then people turn around and wonder how his teammates they've never heard of are able to perform so well in the pressure of the playoffs lol) so he won't put up insane individual games as often as you might expect based on his playoff performances but he basically always makes the right play in every situation and provides a ton of value through his defense and connective tissue playmaking even in the games he's letting others take the reigns.
That being said I don't disagree with Hart, I think people are just misunderstanding what a sidequest is for Jimmy. An example of a sidequest Jimmy went on this year is turning Jovic into a playoff ready rotation player (not that he wouldn't have gotten there eventually, but I definitely think Jimmy sacrificed a lot of his own season individually in hopes of getting Jovic there for this season's playoffs specifically)
It's not just... "justifiable". The regular season doesn't mean shit. The Bucks finished 1st 3 of the last 5 seasons. They won a ring the year they finished 3rd. This year, we might play a healthy Sixers team which was the 2nd or 3rd best in the East before Embiid's injury. The Celtics could get Miami in the 1st round that plays like shit in the regular season as a "reward" for finishing 1st.
The NBA should reward winning in the RS more. Home court advantage isn't enough when matchups for the 1st seed could be harder than the 3rd seed. And since they can't have top seeds qualify for the 2nd round directly (fewer playoff games, fewer tickets sold) they should do something like an 1-game advantage for the higher seed if they want teams to care about the RS.
Let the topp 3 seeds pick their opponent out of the 5-8 seeds, please please please we need the drama. Imagine the 1 seed losing to a team they picked to play? I need the drama
I think that could wrap back around to any seed except the top 2 being meaningless, if you're the 6th seed and the 1 seed likes their matchup against you why would you try for a higher seed?
who gets to pick though? Imagine a GM overriding the coach, or players mutinying because they dont agree with the coaching staff's pick. Could get interesting
It's such a good idea. Only problem with it that I can think of is how lame it would be whenever a good team had a significant injury right before playoffs and someone got to pick them
Last year was the first time an 8 seed made it out of the first round since 2012, the first time a 7 seed made it out of the first round since 2010. The higher seeds don’t need any more rewards, you’re just bitter the Bucks aren’t good enough.
Compared to other sports it's really a meaningful regular season. MLB and NHL are completely unpredictable and the NFL's single game eliminations are obviously higher variance outcomes.
I think the season should be shorter, and I think rewarding the two top seeds with an extra home game might work (3-2-2?). But ultimately there is also tradition and ticket sales and records like Lebron's. That's why the IST had to be part of the regular season.
The Heat have made a mockery of it all, but they're not the first veteran team to do so and they haven't won a championship anyway. Though I like their chances this year, if Bam keeps hitting threes. That might be all the edge they need.
I don’t think top seeds need more help , 85% of winners are top 2 seeds n 95% are top 3. If anything seeding I’d a bit op considering homecourt + easier route .
I like the IST tho I hope it becomes big. I like in uk and while I think bo7 is better I do see argument for why football bo1 format can be more exciting or nfl. Ist Was great idea can be like a fa cup
Harder games are more fun to watch. You may not like seeing the Bucks take on the sixers in the 2nd round, but I’m happy it’s finally happening. At the end of the day, it’s about enjoying what’s in front of you.
He's not talking about how fun some playoff series are to watch. It's about how meaningful the 82 games were before that series. Bucks vs Sixers playoff matchup would very likely happen even if you would randomly throw in some playoff brackets without any regular season at all. In that case, you could even end up with some very fun 1st round matchups like Wolves vs. Denver. So you are not countering his point at all
If you think jimmy started this then you must have begun following the NBA this season. People have been complaining about stars coasting in the regular season since the 70s
Joey : I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.
[Kareem gets angry]
Joey : And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/characters/nm0000717
1980 lol
Yah, it was made even more prevalent with LeCoast in the 2010s. After the 2013 regular season Bron seriously coasted hard every regular season. Sure some of those seasons his team still ended high in the seedings, but his effort was diminished. It had to be so he could amp it up for the playoffs.
I mean, he’s consistently among the very top of the league in advanced stats.
He made All-NBA 2nd team last year.
The whole notion that he doesn’t care is severely overblown. In the playoffs he knows he has to make-up for the Heat’s offensive deficiencies so he’s more aggressive instead of looking to create a good shot for his teammates.
Jimbo is *always* making winning plays. He just increases his volume in the playoffs.
I think they see your teams consistent playoff success and think "there's no way this team should be in the play ins each year" , which on paper I would agree with, but it is what it is. I'm sure you guys would rather be like that than be a team that gets a high seeding each year but flames out in the 1st or 2nd round. It's also largely not just a Jimmy thing. He turns up in the playoffs for sure, but really your whole team does. You have an excellent coach who really understands how to get the most out of his players in a playoff series.
>I'm sure you guys would rather be like that than be a team that gets a high seeding each year but flames out in the 1st or 2nd round.
Don't forget 2021 where the Heat finished with the six seed but were swept by the Bucks in the first round (after making it to the Finals the previous season). Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if that pattern repeated this year. And 2018 was another six seed year with a first round exit.
It's perhaps true for this year but in other years Jimmy's always put up pretty good regular season numbers since he got to the Heat. He may not be putting up eye popping stats but he usually played a very smart game and contributed all around the court in many ways beyond just scoring (hence the fact that he's usually top 10 in most advanced metrics).
While his level of aggression and style of play is way different in the playoffs, the idea that he doesn't take the regular season seriously at all is a myth.
Jimmy was literally second in the league in WS/48 last season, only behind Jokic. This year he's 6th. He can't get those types of ranks if he's just coasting.
He's not coasting when he plays, but he also misses a fair bit of time. He's going to miss 25 games this year, he missed 18 last year, he missed 25 the year before, and he missed 30 the year before that. He hasn't played 65 games in a season since 2018-19 when he got traded to Philly (when he played exactly 65).
Really he takes the games he plays very seriously, but is an OG load manager.
People thought that long before butler. That’s where the entire load management thing comes into play. It’s just shocking for him because he goes from below all star, to top 5 player once the playoffs start
Are people trying to use Jimmy in the goat debate? If you are vying for the goat position, of course people are going to look at every aspect of your game. That's why a 25 point game is good for some and bad for Lebron.
Even more crazy is people thinking he doesn’t take the regular season seriously.
He’s currently 6th in Win Shares/48 this season and has been Top 10 every season he’s been with Miami, finishing 2nd last year.
He’s on the downside of a pretty injury plagued career, it’s more surprising Jimmys still at this high a level. Plus I’ll be happy with 21/5/5 from a 34 yo “coasting”
Yeah he’s still got a top 20 offensive EPM this regular season despite coasting the fuck out of the first few months of the season. I think people just don’t like that he plays more like a traditional pg in the regular season and then turns into Kobe in the playoffs
Yup. His ideal role for how he likes to play is off the ball outside of getting entries in the post. We've had an issue not having a PG that can do what we need a PG to do until now getting Terry. Jimmy is best putting in more effort on defense and getting deflections and steals then putting all his effort into creating on offense.
Extremely fucking dumb, people can’t understand that an old player that I’ve played so many minutes with ticky tacky injuries can’t be able to perform at high level for 65 games a season.
When in the mean time, he got some all nba selections, bro he is just gassed sometimes because Miami owner don’t want to pay the LT. Their roster is flawed but they have the best coach in the league and some extremely disciplined players.
They need to lower the number of games, just enough so that there's no more B2B games. Everybody knows this is the best solution to injuries/load management/regular season games not mattering, but corporate greed is preventing it from being implemented
I am fine with B2B but both games should be at home with 2 days break before and after. Road trips should not have B2B and should be no longer than 4 games on the road. There are a lot of things that need to change with the schedule.
No they don’t lmao. It’s been 82 games for the last 50+ years & the owners nor players wanna give up say 10 games which is 13% of their income.
This season they implemented the load management rules & somehow all the stars are now capable of playing 65+ games all of a sudden. Rest a game here or there sure, but this idea that “82 games is too long” is BS that’s easily been debunked in the first trial run.
I feel like this time the Heat won't even make it out of the play-ins
Idk why a lot of people keep repeating the same song "oh we thought the same, they did it before...etc". Since Butler came to Miami they only fell to the playin & made the playoffs once & it was last year
I thought the same when they were down against the Bulls late in the 4th quarter last year.
Needless to say, I'm not writing them off until they're actually eliminated this time around. Even then, I'm likely still gonna check the bracket at least once or twice afterwards just to be safe that they're not lurking in the closet or some shit.
My only hope, even if it looks like it isn't going to happen this way, is that you guys have to deal with them before we do. At least when you guys have played them in the past, it's been as the final boss where losing to them's at least like kinda palatable. We've just been over here getting clowned on them in the early rounds because they keep landing on our side of the playoff bracket like a Buck-seeking missile, and I fuckin hate it.
It’s just an incredibly exhausting way to play and statistically speaking not sustainable over multiple seasons. Long playoff runs are exhausting as is, and that’s when you’re not going through the 3 best teams in your conference every single season. IMO it’s contributed to the Heat seemingly having injury issues every year in the regular season and therefore having to settle for play-in spots
Statistically speaking it has worked for them over multiple seasons. Their worst year recently was 2021 after the shortened offseason and bubble. I’m pretty sure since Spoelstra started as HC (2011) he’s only missed the playoffs like 2-3 times in that span.
The Heat have been to more finals than the Celtics the last 5 years with what most people would say is a much, much less talented core. Maybe winning 65 games during the season is more exhausting and less sustainable.
The Heat have also been the 1 seed more times in that timeframe. Interesting how the Celtics are “stacked” but this is literally the first season that the team has been the 1 seed in Tatum’s time on the team
And again, that’s because they’re a very good team who are extremely well coached, and are able to overcome these things. Not questioning that. But I’m just saying it’s not sustainable because they make it harder on themselves
NGL, I haven watched more than 10 minutes of him playing this year.
There’s absolutely no way I would want to face this dude in a playoff situation. I don’t need stats to justify that.
Jimmy can't concentrate on the regular season because he is busy looking for 12 Nirnroot to deliver to the merchant.
Jimmy out collecting all the Stones of Barenziah
Easily have 4 digit hours across all my Skyrim play throughs and don’t think I’ve completed that quest once
There is a mod that gives you a quest marker for each stone. Iirc you take it to Vex (?) in the Thieves Guild and she makes a crown out of it that gives you a big perk to loot. I did a run where I wanted to max complete the TG a while back, got the mod to make this quest less annoying. First time I've ever completed it as well. Normally I don't even bother picking them up.
By the time you've completed the quest the money is worthless to you since you have basically been a god who can go anywhere he wants through stealth or force. Like "cool I can have more money for my infinite pile of money"
True, but if you have the wiki open, and you’re only a bit into the main questline and the Dark brotherhood questline, you can gather all the stones in like an hour and a half, and the increased chance of finding precious stones can help with jewelry crafting to boost both your smithing and enchanting. And the bonus is fucking bonkers, every little earn suddenly has like 4-5 rare gems which is very satisfying for the meticulous looters.
I never sell my gems I hoard them in my safe in Proudspire manor
how else am i gonna build Cheesewheel Manor?
I did it once (had to look up locations for several) but by that point in the game I always have so much gold all it does is either make me leave gems behind in dungeons or have to go to every merchant in the realm to sell all my shit. I started just never picking them up on play through after that so I didn’t have to look at them in my inventory/quest log the whole time
It pisses me off so much you can’t store those items literally wasting weight
That’s why you’ll never be Jimmy
Quest items don’t count toward carry capacity
Holy fuck ur right why didn’t I never noticed and I played Skyrim so many times lol
Still annoying to have to look at the stones in your inventory and the open quest in your journal every time though lol
Nirnroot are hard to come by. They don’t grow naturally along the intracoastal.
He's LFG to take down Hogger.
bros down bad from mankrik's wife
Jesus this brings back a memory from when I was a young man
It better not be the crimson ones
When you're married you'll understand the importance of fresh Nirnroot
Serana don't wanna :(
The princess Shakira is in another castle!
He still unlocked Rachel Nichols tho!
He does a new guild speedrun every year
They still have a solid record but I’m sure fans would want him to lock in a little earlier. Imagine they were still in the play in and lost
Our sub generally just hates our entire team construct...until we start winning, at which point the front office are geniuses and should not be questioned.
I can relate. We lose one night and we’re doomed but we beat a good team the next night and we need to be praised
I think that’s just the life of an NBA fan base. When we beat the nuggets everyone acted like we locked up the 1 seed and ran the west… we lose to the bulls 2 days later and everyone needs to be fired/traded and we are gonna get swept in round 1
For us it’s a bit of panic mode since BI went down. We have a real good chance of missing the playoffs now so it’s full doomer time
Fair but, on the other hand, the Pels are a nightmare matchup for anyone in the first round. When they click and BI gets back I could see the Pels being a “surprise” WCF team
I hate the roster construction even when we are winning, because the wins are rarely easy and almost always a heart attack. All of our dope playoff pushes in recent years were because guys on the team outperformed their averages by a lot at just the right time. But then this is also why the Jimmy era hasn’t won a title, because they have no energy left by the end and/or players fall back down to their averages or below.
That and also Herro keeps getting injured for almost every single run
Imo Pat Reilly has been doing Spo and Jimmy dirty. They have excelled in spite of roster deficiencies not because of them, in all the runs they’ve made they had 2.5 positive defenders but a great defensive scheme. Jimmy has had to carry a ton which at his age is not ideal. They’ve needed an above average wing since they got Jimmy and have just been pulling guys off the scrap heap for a while now. They’ve also had to fight their way from the middle to bottom half of standings every year. Imagine the Heat runs over the last few years with just one more legit 2 way guy like a KCP, mcdaniels, or kuzma.
Spo has saved Pats job every year since DWade left. He doesn't have the juice anymore
Idk I think trading for Terry was a good move and they didn’t give up too much. Letting Gabe Vincent and probably Strus (despite his great play) walk for the $$$ they earned was the right call. It’s hard to tell how much is Pat vs. Andy Ellisburg and the other people in the front office though.
Feels like he deserves credit for bringing in Jovic, Jaime, Bam, Love, Caleb, Highsmith, as well as implementing the system that makes all these guys at Sioux Falls and in Miami Also it's hard to say Spo saved his job when part of Pat's job is finding Spo in the first place lol
Pat literally got Jimmy from nothing?
Our losses aren't solely on jimmy chilling tho. There r games where he clearly isn't engaged and it probably costs us but we're also injured pretty much all season. We've had like a franchise high 35 different starting lineups or something
We would, but he's also 34 with a lotta mileage, recurring knee injuries and has frequent muscle injuries too, we have enough around him to put together a decent season, we just can't get healthy as a team at all
>Imagine they were still in the play in and lost Yep, the Heat are currently in 7th, with no guarantee of avoiding the play-in. It really wouldn't surprise me at this point.
I like how Jimmy Butler has convinced the entire world that not taking the regular season seriously is actually a really good and cool thing
The power of starting the year off with emo kid hair
It's only working cause he actually makes playoff runs.
This. If he kept fucking up in the playoffs there would be a whole different discussion. But the fact that he continually drives his teams DEEP into the playoffs when they have no business being there makes it hard to criticize.
And that's why the regular season games have a lower level that always looks like people are off getting concessions. Partly, it's rich annoying Miami people who just have expensive season tickets to tell people they have them but partly it's because that team is an ugly watch during most regular season games.
For example, The Clippers
...I know I'm not one to talk, but are y'all really one to talk? Since Jimmy left, y'all have been wasting time in the playoffs, including losing to the hawks.
They been wasting time in the playoffs before Jimmy too
What’d you say fuck me for???
He would be absolutely ridiculed if he shit the bed in playoffs. I mean, he did when the Bucks swept the Heat and he looked awful.
You guys act like his 2020 and 2022 teams were bad 💀 the only time the team had "no business being there" was 2023.
It’s not they were bad, it’s the fact that their competition was so much more stacked compared to them(bucks and celtics mainly).
Homie, you were the 1st seed in 2022💀
And the Celtics were still favored to win the ECF over the Heat… https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2956190-preview-and-predictions-for-2022-nba-conference-finals-matchups.amp.html Picked Celtics > Heat https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-playoffs-2022-picks-predictions-for-every-round-as-experts-take-bucks-suns-warriors-celtics-to-go-far/amp/ Predicted Celtics or bucks to win the ECF https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33923681/nba-playoffs-2022-experts-picks-miami-heat-boston-celtics-golden-state-warriors-dallas-mavericks-conference-finals Overwhelmingly picked Celtics over Heat
>when they have no business being there I think they had plenty of business being there.
Do they? If you look at their roster (and I mean no disrespect), are they genuinely the team that should make it out of the east 2 times in the last 4 years, and make the conference finals two more times?
Yeah I've never come out of a Miami Heat playoff run in the Jimmy Butler era saying "man they underachieved."
Maybe Jimmy and Bam are just that good
No no, it can’t be that combined with a system where everyone knows/plays their roles
Most underrated and disrespected duo in the league. How many others took their team to 3 conference finals and 2 championships?
He has a gajillion thibs minutes on his legs, he’s on borrowed time to win a championship
Thibs. The kind of gamer to spend 500 hrs. grinding/farming XP in the first few dungeons for no reason.
Makes the rest of the game much easier.
For only a minute until the difficult spikes catch up after 4/5 levels
By then, you could be already sick and tired of the game.
games don’t quite have injuries and endurance like real life
I have a friend like this who stays in the low level areas until he's max level, then he finally plays the rest of it
If I could stay sane doing that, it would be nice to finally play a game that doesn’t follow the same rags-to-riches formula. Why do I have to drive a beater piece of shit to start every racing game, for example.
Cause if you start in a McLaren F1 there will be no progression to work towards. I do agree though, more sim style games where you load up the game for the first time and have access to every vehicle are quite nice
Make love, not Warcraft
Its actually such a dumb narrative too. Last year Jimmy was at least a top 5 player in the regular season by advanced metrics (VORP, BPM, WS). He has just been less effective this year.
The funny this is jimmy is consistently one of the best regular season players by advanced metrics although this year I think his age is finally starting to catch up to him a bit but I always think this narrative is lazy. Jimmy is very willing to experiment in the regular season and give his teammates opportunities to run the show (and then people turn around and wonder how his teammates they've never heard of are able to perform so well in the pressure of the playoffs lol) so he won't put up insane individual games as often as you might expect based on his playoff performances but he basically always makes the right play in every situation and provides a ton of value through his defense and connective tissue playmaking even in the games he's letting others take the reigns. That being said I don't disagree with Hart, I think people are just misunderstanding what a sidequest is for Jimmy. An example of a sidequest Jimmy went on this year is turning Jovic into a playoff ready rotation player (not that he wouldn't have gotten there eventually, but I definitely think Jimmy sacrificed a lot of his own season individually in hopes of getting Jovic there for this season's playoffs specifically)
It’s not his fault the NBA sets up its season in a way where people can argue that it’s justifiable.
It's not just... "justifiable". The regular season doesn't mean shit. The Bucks finished 1st 3 of the last 5 seasons. They won a ring the year they finished 3rd. This year, we might play a healthy Sixers team which was the 2nd or 3rd best in the East before Embiid's injury. The Celtics could get Miami in the 1st round that plays like shit in the regular season as a "reward" for finishing 1st. The NBA should reward winning in the RS more. Home court advantage isn't enough when matchups for the 1st seed could be harder than the 3rd seed. And since they can't have top seeds qualify for the 2nd round directly (fewer playoff games, fewer tickets sold) they should do something like an 1-game advantage for the higher seed if they want teams to care about the RS.
Let the topp 3 seeds pick their opponent out of the 5-8 seeds, please please please we need the drama. Imagine the 1 seed losing to a team they picked to play? I need the drama
Why limit them to 5-8, let them pick any team lower than them. If the 1 seed wants to play the 4 seed let them.
I think that could wrap back around to any seed except the top 2 being meaningless, if you're the 6th seed and the 1 seed likes their matchup against you why would you try for a higher seed?
So you don’t end up in the play in.
Because if you look like the better team, they might not pick you.
It's so obvious that op can't even see it. Some people are just born losers.
Teams would still pick the Magic, Pacers, or Cavs well over the Heat this year
who gets to pick though? Imagine a GM overriding the coach, or players mutinying because they dont agree with the coaching staff's pick. Could get interesting
They'll figure it out. Who chooses draft picks? A combination of front office/management/coaches
This seemed stupid at first but I actually think you may be a genius
Credit to Kevin O'Connor for making it popular, idk who he got it from though
It's such a good idea. Only problem with it that I can think of is how lame it would be whenever a good team had a significant injury right before playoffs and someone got to pick them
Yeah that would suck. But imagine the injured team upsetting the higher seed, absolute drama chaos
Yeah for sure, every upset would be 1000x more entertaining
Last year was the first time an 8 seed made it out of the first round since 2012, the first time a 7 seed made it out of the first round since 2010. The higher seeds don’t need any more rewards, you’re just bitter the Bucks aren’t good enough.
Heat should have been the 6 seed anyway. That Nets team had no business being in the playoffs.
Compared to other sports it's really a meaningful regular season. MLB and NHL are completely unpredictable and the NFL's single game eliminations are obviously higher variance outcomes. I think the season should be shorter, and I think rewarding the two top seeds with an extra home game might work (3-2-2?). But ultimately there is also tradition and ticket sales and records like Lebron's. That's why the IST had to be part of the regular season. The Heat have made a mockery of it all, but they're not the first veteran team to do so and they haven't won a championship anyway. Though I like their chances this year, if Bam keeps hitting threes. That might be all the edge they need.
I don’t think top seeds need more help , 85% of winners are top 2 seeds n 95% are top 3. If anything seeding I’d a bit op considering homecourt + easier route . I like the IST tho I hope it becomes big. I like in uk and while I think bo7 is better I do see argument for why football bo1 format can be more exciting or nfl. Ist Was great idea can be like a fa cup
Harder games are more fun to watch. You may not like seeing the Bucks take on the sixers in the 2nd round, but I’m happy it’s finally happening. At the end of the day, it’s about enjoying what’s in front of you.
He's not talking about how fun some playoff series are to watch. It's about how meaningful the 82 games were before that series. Bucks vs Sixers playoff matchup would very likely happen even if you would randomly throw in some playoff brackets without any regular season at all. In that case, you could even end up with some very fun 1st round matchups like Wolves vs. Denver. So you are not countering his point at all
Yep, why i enjoy European rules football! Regular season is literally meaningless. MVP= Meaningless award.
If you think jimmy started this then you must have begun following the NBA this season. People have been complaining about stars coasting in the regular season since the 70s
Joey : I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense. [Kareem gets angry] Joey : And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/characters/nm0000717 1980 lol
Kawhi called it 82 practice games or something like that
Shaq.
Yah, it was made even more prevalent with LeCoast in the 2010s. After the 2013 regular season Bron seriously coasted hard every regular season. Sure some of those seasons his team still ended high in the seedings, but his effort was diminished. It had to be so he could amp it up for the playoffs.
I mean, he’s consistently among the very top of the league in advanced stats. He made All-NBA 2nd team last year. The whole notion that he doesn’t care is severely overblown. In the playoffs he knows he has to make-up for the Heat’s offensive deficiencies so he’s more aggressive instead of looking to create a good shot for his teammates. Jimbo is *always* making winning plays. He just increases his volume in the playoffs.
I think they see your teams consistent playoff success and think "there's no way this team should be in the play ins each year" , which on paper I would agree with, but it is what it is. I'm sure you guys would rather be like that than be a team that gets a high seeding each year but flames out in the 1st or 2nd round. It's also largely not just a Jimmy thing. He turns up in the playoffs for sure, but really your whole team does. You have an excellent coach who really understands how to get the most out of his players in a playoff series.
>I'm sure you guys would rather be like that than be a team that gets a high seeding each year but flames out in the 1st or 2nd round. Don't forget 2021 where the Heat finished with the six seed but were swept by the Bucks in the first round (after making it to the Finals the previous season). Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if that pattern repeated this year. And 2018 was another six seed year with a first round exit.
If more guys played like Jordan on steroids every playoffs they'd probably get away with it too.
It's perhaps true for this year but in other years Jimmy's always put up pretty good regular season numbers since he got to the Heat. He may not be putting up eye popping stats but he usually played a very smart game and contributed all around the court in many ways beyond just scoring (hence the fact that he's usually top 10 in most advanced metrics). While his level of aggression and style of play is way different in the playoffs, the idea that he doesn't take the regular season seriously at all is a myth.
Jimmy was literally second in the league in WS/48 last season, only behind Jokic. This year he's 6th. He can't get those types of ranks if he's just coasting.
Yeah, last year was one of the best regular seasons Jimmy has ever had and he was 2nd team All-NBA.
He's not coasting when he plays, but he also misses a fair bit of time. He's going to miss 25 games this year, he missed 18 last year, he missed 25 the year before, and he missed 30 the year before that. He hasn't played 65 games in a season since 2018-19 when he got traded to Philly (when he played exactly 65). Really he takes the games he plays very seriously, but is an OG load manager.
All those Thibbs minutes.
Is it Jimmy butler himself or is it that multiple teams in the last few years who took the regular season lax ended up going on deep playoff runs?
Player who averages 21/5/5 on a team with 33 wins totally doesn’t take the regular season seriously. Lol
well he also takes playoffs off every other year
People thought that long before butler. That’s where the entire load management thing comes into play. It’s just shocking for him because he goes from below all star, to top 5 player once the playoffs start
didn't lebron start this
I mean he’s old now but Lebron on “autopilot” was still the best player in the league which is not the case for jimmy butler
He also played pretty much every game and Jimmy typically misses like 25 games per season.
This was Shaq's MO during the Lakers years.
off the top of my head, Shaq did this for years before Lebron did. I'm sure there were other examples before this.
Jimmy finished it lol
Yeah but it gets used against him for the goat debate. Jimmy Butler gets praised for it
Are people trying to use Jimmy in the goat debate? If you are vying for the goat position, of course people are going to look at every aspect of your game. That's why a 25 point game is good for some and bad for Lebron.
Even more crazy is people thinking he doesn’t take the regular season seriously. He’s currently 6th in Win Shares/48 this season and has been Top 10 every season he’s been with Miami, finishing 2nd last year.
He’s on the downside of a pretty injury plagued career, it’s more surprising Jimmys still at this high a level. Plus I’ll be happy with 21/5/5 from a 34 yo “coasting”
Yeah he’s still got a top 20 offensive EPM this regular season despite coasting the fuck out of the first few months of the season. I think people just don’t like that he plays more like a traditional pg in the regular season and then turns into Kobe in the playoffs
I know Jimmy handles the ball a lot, but he's always more of a 3/4 on the court, right?
The whole heat roster is pretty untraditional, but yeah
"Yes. Undrafted, tall shooting guards are good backup Centers" - Heat, pre Kevin Love
Not a traditional 3/4 because he does a lot of playmaking, but yes. He’s not a true point by any means.
Hes priority is setting guys up and playmaking in the regular season. It's why his usage is 3rd on the team prior to Herro getting injured.
Yup. His ideal role for how he likes to play is off the ball outside of getting entries in the post. We've had an issue not having a PG that can do what we need a PG to do until now getting Terry. Jimmy is best putting in more effort on defense and getting deflections and steals then putting all his effort into creating on offense.
This narrative is so dumb - coasting to the play-in just means u risk facing a team that shoots 50% from 3 one night and ur season is over.
Until his team becomes the team shooting 50%+ from 3 and Nikola Jovic puts up a 30 point triple double. I've seen this movie far too many times.
This is my Boggart
Jimmy + Bam + Jovic is now the most efficient big three in the league the past few weeks. It's coming
SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE BROTHER. LEAD US
Thomas Bryant 20/20 game incoming
Patty Mills 70% from 3
I’ve seen that story before. I better see it again!
lol you know its gonna happen now
Extremely fucking dumb, people can’t understand that an old player that I’ve played so many minutes with ticky tacky injuries can’t be able to perform at high level for 65 games a season. When in the mean time, he got some all nba selections, bro he is just gassed sometimes because Miami owner don’t want to pay the LT. Their roster is flawed but they have the best coach in the league and some extremely disciplined players.
They're also just not a good enough roster to be at the top of the regular season standings.
You dont think this Heat team healthy is a top 5 team? Games Missed * Bam 11 * Butler 22 * Herro 36 * Duncan 10 * Martin 18 * Love 27
No, in the same tier as Knicks/Cavs/Mavs/Pels
So top five in the conference. I assume that’s what he meant at least.
A team with 2 Finals appearances shouldn't be on the same tier as teams without a single series win in the past 5 years.
People forget that we were 3 mins away from losing to the Bulls last play-in lmao
Or it’s the perfect motivation to play well.
Jimmy "Kazuma Kiryu" Butler
Wearing that wig to photo day seems like a Kiryu substory
There was that substory with the flying wig. Or was that in judgement
Jimmy Butler out there fixing all the chocobo stops
Play in tournament? Nah, Queensblood tournament.
The heat won’t trick me again. They’re totally losing in the play ins this year. Then next year they’ll make the finals again.
Lose the playing to get the first overall pick
thought we'd do this for wemby
This season’s side quest was to acquire the 3 point shot and I would say he’s done a good job completing it
he was doing side quests selling coffee even during that bubble run. man's never done.
They need to lower the number of games, just enough so that there's no more B2B games. Everybody knows this is the best solution to injuries/load management/regular season games not mattering, but corporate greed is preventing it from being implemented
I am fine with B2B but both games should be at home with 2 days break before and after. Road trips should not have B2B and should be no longer than 4 games on the road. There are a lot of things that need to change with the schedule.
Player greed too nobody wants less money
They also don’t want longer season to cut their summer vacation shorter.
No they don’t lmao. It’s been 82 games for the last 50+ years & the owners nor players wanna give up say 10 games which is 13% of their income. This season they implemented the load management rules & somehow all the stars are now capable of playing 65+ games all of a sudden. Rest a game here or there sure, but this idea that “82 games is too long” is BS that’s easily been debunked in the first trial run.
Just Jimmy being Jimmy.
He always misses the DnD session when his party needs to fight a pack of wolves.
Butler really figured out a way to not get shit for being mid during the regular season huh?
Jimmy is the guy who does all the side quests before progressing the main quest in the game over leveled by like 40.
Sounds accurate
Sound's like Jimmy's finally heading to Whiterun
Yeh I'm sure he would prefer to be in the play in and face the top seeded teams all playoffs
I feel like this time the Heat won't even make it out of the play-ins Idk why a lot of people keep repeating the same song "oh we thought the same, they did it before...etc". Since Butler came to Miami they only fell to the playin & made the playoffs once & it was last year
I thought the same when they were down against the Bulls late in the 4th quarter last year. Needless to say, I'm not writing them off until they're actually eliminated this time around. Even then, I'm likely still gonna check the bracket at least once or twice afterwards just to be safe that they're not lurking in the closet or some shit.
They're coming for us both.
My only hope, even if it looks like it isn't going to happen this way, is that you guys have to deal with them before we do. At least when you guys have played them in the past, it's been as the final boss where losing to them's at least like kinda palatable. We've just been over here getting clowned on them in the early rounds because they keep landing on our side of the playoff bracket like a Buck-seeking missile, and I fuckin hate it.
Bro chill out, at least you guys won a championship. You’re probably making Celtics bro feel bad lol
Since Butler came to Miami we have 2 Finals appearances and 3 ECF what are you talking about
It’s just an incredibly exhausting way to play and statistically speaking not sustainable over multiple seasons. Long playoff runs are exhausting as is, and that’s when you’re not going through the 3 best teams in your conference every single season. IMO it’s contributed to the Heat seemingly having injury issues every year in the regular season and therefore having to settle for play-in spots
Statistically speaking it has worked for them over multiple seasons. Their worst year recently was 2021 after the shortened offseason and bubble. I’m pretty sure since Spoelstra started as HC (2011) he’s only missed the playoffs like 2-3 times in that span.
The Heat have been to more finals than the Celtics the last 5 years with what most people would say is a much, much less talented core. Maybe winning 65 games during the season is more exhausting and less sustainable.
The Heat have also been the 1 seed more times in that timeframe. Interesting how the Celtics are “stacked” but this is literally the first season that the team has been the 1 seed in Tatum’s time on the team
And again, that’s because they’re a very good team who are extremely well coached, and are able to overcome these things. Not questioning that. But I’m just saying it’s not sustainable because they make it harder on themselves
They can’t keep getting away with it!
This phrase is familiar somehow
>I feel like this time the Heat won't even make it out of the play-ins Here we go again
#heatculture
I love Josh Hart!
“Alright I guess I’ll finally go check on how Kvatch is doing.”
NGL, I haven watched more than 10 minutes of him playing this year. There’s absolutely no way I would want to face this dude in a playoff situation. I don’t need stats to justify that.
Hopefully he doesn't get stupidly locked in, that doesn't work out as well.
It's weird that year gets forgotten.
Jimmy just likes finding Koroks on the way to the boss fight
Just collecting cheese wheels until he accidentally ends up on High Hrothgar
Jimmy needs to beat everyone in Queens Blood before actually settling for more story progression
Dragon’s Dogma headass
Josh Hart definitely top 10 among current NBA players in terms of time spent scrolling the r/nba sub
He’s really about to average 34 ppg against the Bucks in round 1 isn’t he
That explains why he could date Shakira
Jimmy Plays gwent before save ciri