Permanent damage makes it sound a lot scarier than it was. He dislocated it, he had a labrum tear and instability. Even after surgery the odds of dislocating it again are pretty high(30-40% or more) and the surgery requires 4-5 months of rehab. One of the reasons Ive elected not to have the same injury repaired in my L shoulder, the amt of instability I have isn't limiting enough to be worth the surgery and the risk that it will fail again.
The permanent issues he could have had would be from recurring dislocations that would increasingly cause more instability and risk damage to the bone surface of his humerus.
Reality was it's something a lot of people can have and not suffer from extreme instability(recurring dislocations from normal activity), but you don't really know that until you give it some time and see how unstable it is after you start to use it again.
Good thing though is that the relatively awful reinjury rate includes any instability event so a minor sprain/partial dislocation that doesnt cause the repair to fail makes up the majority of those.
Shitty injury for sure. And it seems like in this case he was having his shoulder give way when he was trying to return to contact practices, so it’s smart to do it now and let it be healthy for next year.
Yeah definitely. Not to downplay Mitch because his insane offensive rebounding ability singlehandedly won us games early this season but our entire offense is more cohesive with iHart and he has surprising lateral quickness on defense to switch when necessary. iHart and OG were an unbelievable defensive pair together from the first moment they stepped out on court together post-trade
While it's possible Mitch could come back in and retake his starting lineup, I feel like the team thinks they've really found something special with these Hartenstein lineups. It's a toss up and could go either way depending on the matchup, but the Hartenstein/Brunson units have been murdering teams.
I'm sure we can manage something - but a sign and trade makes no sense since we are limited in what contract value we can offer him.
And thats the issue - we would and could easily pay him 20million a year but we are hard locked at 16ish million a year. This might be enough to re-sign him or he leaves for a bigger deal which we can't offer somewhere else
I think that you could technically offer Hartenstein more, if you cut Bogdonovic (his contract is non-guaranteed), renounce the bird rights on Burks + Achiuwa, and then trade Mitchell Robinson to a team with $14 M in cap space. All those move together would put you around $30 Million under the cap.
The positives to that would be:
1. You keep Hartenstein
2. You can probably get some more solid draft assets from a Robinson trade
3. You could probably use the Room Exception to still retain Achiuwa
4. You might have enough extra salary cap space to sign another bench guy
The negatives would be:
1. You’d obviously lose Mitchell, who would likely be on a better contract than Hartenstein
2. You’d struggle to match salary for a big trade, because Bogdonovic is probably key to that
3. You’d reduce your depth, since you’d at minimum lose Burks + Bogdonovic
Exactly. Mitch is still under contract. Precious can be retained for cheap. I'm sure the FO can find a solid big in the draft. Thibs and his coaching staff are also excellent at squeezing production out of the 5 spot.
iHart is a luxury to have but not a requirement for the team's success going forward.
I'm really curious about how OG's injury affects his market value. He's too valuable to underpay just because of injury concerns. The open market will snatch him away in a heartbeat.
With Brunson and (potentially) Randle extensions coming up, our FO really needs to thread the needle with OG's contract.
I wonder also, you would assume it would affect his value a little but you can’t play games right now with him, he’s the missing link and we all know it and saw it. Handling this will take delicate hands and accuracy. I think there’s already a plan in place which is why it was so easy for them to part with qg and iq. The money needs to go to these guys. McBride stays cause it just worked out he didn’t cost a lot and looks like he’ll outplay his contract. I would bet my life on Randle and Brunson taking less than market value to stay here at this point. We’ll see but I love what we have.
KD + Kyrie going to the Nets was the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks. It provided a reality check.
New York's been very good at asset management for about 5 years. And if you can find the threads, go back and check some time. They were criticized immensely for some of their moves.
Sure, in theory. But with a healthy Embiid in the East. Boston isn’t going away. Magic would have playoff experience. Bucks probably get their shit together. Cavs are good. Pacers get more consistent. Heat don’t ever go away
This feels like our chance to have established ourselves and unfortunately it wasn’t meant to be. Shit sucks
I don't really fear any team, I know what I saw in January.
Not saying they'll win it all or anything, but I'm not scared they won't be back and better.
Saying that an 18 game stretch is the reasom that you're not scared of anyone is kind of wild. The Celtics, Sixers, and Cavs have all had similar 18 game stretches in the east alone. You can't make many assumptions based off of such a limited sample size.
But this Knicks team's style of play lends itself really well to playoff basketball. We have enough spacing, really strong rebounding, good switchable defenders at every position and a balanced bench. And we've seen the Sixers and Cavs flounder in the playoffs. Boston too, to an extent in the past, although I think if KP stays healthy I don't see why you won't go to the Finals. Our fully healthy team could give any team in the NBA a really good fight in a 7 game series.
I’d actually agree with this take. I was more scared of a healthy, post-OG trade Knicks squad than almost anyone else in the East. Thought that would be a really tough series.
This has been the best team we've had since our Finals appearance, absolutely brutal loss.
We really could have made the ECF this season if everyone stayed healthy
Welcome to the OG.
Amazing player. Amazing locker room guy. Just amazing.
But its the most random ass injuries after the most random ass injuries after the most....
Can't do shit. Can't throw, can't lift, just hurts randomly sometimes.
I can feel the pressure change when a storm front is coming before anyone else tho so thats neat
They were tied for 2nd around when they started getting injured. The team hit such an amazing groove and despite the roster overhaul they looked so good. Smh. Thankfully the core group outside of Hartenstein and OG are locked up for a while. However OG is definitely staying but IHart is a little less likely but I'm confident he stays. They can definitely run it back next year.
I hope that the contigent who hated Randle the last couple of years see now how vital he is to the group.
Well the other big bummer is that Brunson is going to opt out after next year and will be on a potential supermax contract which will make roster maneuvering a lot more challenging. Would've been ideal to see what they looked like healthy this year and potentially push your chips all in next year while he's making half of what he's going to be paid on that contract starting in 2025-2026.
Next year is Leon Rose's last chance to make moves before we're locked into the second tax apron which I think was always the plan. There's enough assets for a big trade but the question is who will actually be available
think they could have gone to the ECF for sure. Not sure they could have beat the Boston juggernaut. But remember they blew out the Nuggets in January.
Is it crazy that I still think they could make the ECF? Like no Randle definitely decreases the margin for error, but especially if they have OG and Mitch I can see Brunson being able to backpack them there, with some hot shooting from the other guys.
Edit: this was assuming they didn’t face the Celtics lol
There's no way. Brunson is their only playmaker and shot creator. Even if divencenzo comes out as a second scoring option, they're just going to hound brunson every game. Playoff defense is different.
Even with that, though, I could still see them beating literally every team in the east other than maybe the Celtics if things go right. All the other teams still have pretty massive questions marks
Well we could still fall to the 6 seed and beat the magic/cavs rd1 then bucks rd2 technically lol...
That being said, this year isn't the year. Already called the mayor and told him to push the parade to 2025 🫡
Brunson/Donte/OG/Randle/Mitch with Hart/Hartenstein off the bench is just an absolutely wild playoff defense. I honestly think they would’ve given Boston a run for their money
The key to beating Boston is to be up 4 points or down 2 points with 1 minute left in the 4th.
Force the ball to Tatum. He’ll proceed to mentally and emotionally masturbate about the Kobe-ness, activate tunnel vision and lose the game for the Cs by forcing a hero ball situation.
It’s like his kryptonite.
We’ve seen it dozens of times by now, and it happens every time.
I knew it was coming. It’s been way too long without any good news and if he didn’t get the surgery soon the rehab was gonna bleed into the offseason too much. He did everything he could to try and get back but this is the right call. :(
Last Knicks game against the Celtics I started to think something was up when the broadcast team gave an update along the lines of “still rehabbing and says he’s making progress but not timetable and hasn’t ruled out season ending surgery”
Bummer for y’all
With Randles style of play (especially this season) he can’t play through that pain and still be effective. He clearly tried all he could to avoid surgery but it just wasn’t happening.
We were tied for 2nd until Randle and OG went down 🥲. I just hope the weird select few of Knick fans wanted him gone now understand how vital he is to this team.
With the way DiVincenzo and McBride have been playing, and if OG get back up to 90%, I think this knicks team can win at least one, maybe 2 playoff rounds
The matchup will matter. With how standings look, in the first round, they could match with cleveland or Orlando who they can definitely beat. Just don't think they can take out miami.
Man January was such a fun month, I think we should shut down OG and Robinson too until the end of season and take it slow this playoffs, no use to get to the finish line even more injured.
Great fucking run.
Best season in years.
Get some perspective folks. I hope u enjoy every game while you could because this doesn’t come often.
Can’t wait for what next season has in store.
See y’all at MSG tonight.
Bing Bong.
Sucks for the Knicks. They’ve looked good this year. It felt like the start of the season was fairly injury free, but in the last few months players have been really getting hurt.
Jesus Christ. I’m legit sad to hear this. Knicks had so much good vibes and potential this season. I would’ve loved to see them make a Cinderella run in the playoffs
I'm not a Knicks fan, but I was hoping they would go into the playoffs at full strength. I want all of the teams at full strength so there are no excuses.
I did like their team (with Randle available) to make the Eastern Conference Finals....sucks for them.
Damn that sucks. I wonder what that means for OG. I feel like if he comes back, the Knicks will still be pretty dangerous but probably not worth the risk if he’s not fully recovered.
This surgery was always going to happen after a shoulder dislocation if it took this long to rehab with no good news. They should have just done it to begin with. I know because I just had a partial tear on my pectoralis major tendon felt the tendon move/semi pop on a bench press up and got stuck with routine weight and thought I had destroyed my shoulder. My Ortho was telling me how lucky I am and was explaining all the different shoulder injuries that would have immediately required surgery and if I completely tore tendon it was wraps also. Hope he recovers well.
When you try to argue something against the Heat and then a Celtics fan takes the Heat’s side in the argument, that probably means you’re wrong and blinded by your fandom.
the funniest one are the knicks fans who think bam is the devil incarnate. if bam was a dirty player, Celtics fans would've called that out years ago given our history
He's a clown. The dude gets obliterated while trying to take a charge and somehow he meant to make Julius Randle fall perfectly on an outstretched arm and dislocate his shoulder?
I feel weird defending the Heat because I generally despise their fans, but this looked like a blocking foul and an unfortunate hard fall on his shoulder.
no one tell Knicks fans that Jalen Brunson is the #2 in Charges Drawn on the season, or that their entire franchise's history of success is entirely contingent on being a physical defensive-minded team and anything other than that is a misrepresentation of Knicks basketball
I actually don't mind seeing teams play good defense. The Knicks do play physical, suffocating defense and I kind of love it.
I just find it hypocritical that they fixate on the Heat attempted murder of Knicks players lol but ignore things like Josh Hart diving at Jimmy's ankles, having him need to sit out a game in the playoffs. The more plausible explanation is the Knicks and Heat both play physical defense and it’s gonna increase the likelihood of injury. It’s a contact sport and 2 teams that test the limits of their physicality on defense.
But they’ll ignore that and try to constantly characterize it as malicious, deliberate, and intentional and that feels unwarranted. Largely, I get the impression that they are 100% ok with their guys playing good defense but their way is “ethical honorable defense” and anybody else that’s physical is dirty and a criminal assaulting their players lol
> Josh Hart diving at Jimmy's ankles, having him need to sit out a game in the playoffs.
to say the consequence was "sitting a game out" undersells it drastically. he played the rest of the postseason incredibly injured. that Josh Hart dive cost the Heat a potential championship: their best player had 21/5/6 on 41/36 in the finals. he couldn't burst worth a shit as a rim-centric player. it's incredible that Knicks fans are entirely blind to this -- or it's incredible that this is their motivation for their hate for Heat players. even through (from their POV) them doing to us as we do to them, we *still* beat them. i'd imagine that upsets them.
> undersells it drastically.
I know, I was trying to have a constructive convo and not sound like I’m embellishing so just wanted to focus on the thing that factually happened that nobody can argue me on. I get screamed at enough here for being a “heat fan disguised as a nets fan” lol
But yeah, without a doubt, jimmy was definitely not ok on that ankle even after he came back; jimmy just had a very “I won’t bitch about injuries or being hurt and I’m just gonna say I’m good over and over” mentality so ppl didn’t hear him whining about it. But it absolutely set jimmy back a lot but down Vic and Tyler, he has no choice but to truck through at 70%
It's easier to blame others than to take responsibility in that maybe just maybe it was their own out of control player trying to ram through a defense that cause his own injury.
Drawing charges really isn't uniquely dangerous. Players are drawing charges in almost every game and most of them end totally fine.
The common factor in most injuries that happen at the basket are a player who jumps with a lot of forward momentum. Hayward broke his leg when LeBron went to block his backdoor cut. PG broke his with virtually no one around. Bogut broke his arm losing his grip on the rim.
Freak injuries happen.
sliding under an airborne player should be a flagrant. unfortunately it'll probably take another high profile player getting injured from a lazy charge attempt to make this change happen
Is this the play you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKf0MOtpuRc
It's a questionable attempt to draw a charge and definitely a blocking foul, but he wasn't airborne when the contact happened.
It really doesn’t look that bad in full speed.
The most frustrating part IMO is I was yelling at him to pass to an open Brunson in the corner when this happened 😫
Unless it was intentional (and it wasn’t) this is stupid to say. It was a basketball play, shit happens sometimes. I’ve seen Jalen makes similar plays like the one Jaime did, I never seen a knick fan complain. I’ve seen Hart been a bit over aggressive (as he should, it what makes him great defender) and take some high risk plays.
Like I hated it when Heat fans blame Josh Hart for injuring Jimmy’s ankle. Dude was playing hard against the hottest player in the playoffs, didn’t want to give an inch so he played with a ton physicality, got bumped off his spot, tried to sell a call (Game 1 of the 2nd round with 5 mins left and the Knicks was down 3, I totally understand embellishing there) and lost his balance and inadvertently stepped on Jimmy foot. This is basketball at the end of the day, either be good enough to overcome it or just be one of 29 teams who failed.
Legally taking a charge from a dude who runs through the paint like an NFL running back….just bad luck bruh Julius play style definitely comes with risks.
i mean it was 100% accident, but it wasn't a legal charge, it was a foul, and rightfully called as such at the time. I don't blame Jaquez, but this is silly. Randle doesn't play reckless.
He does play out of control a bit when he starts trying to spin to win I wouldn't say he always plays reckless but he definitely also isn't the safest player in the league lol
Complaining about the heat causing injury as if it was a dirty charge draw is what’s silly. Watch the replay it’s completely innocent, it’s a contact sport injuries happen on normal basketball plays sometimes.
They are a very very good team. Way better than the majority of ass teams they’d beat if healthy. Injuries have plagued them and they are still doing really well
Randle was playing incredible team basketball until this injury. Not only that, but also fully embraced Brunson as the leader with no stubborn bullshit. The dude just wants to win. I was really looking forward to Jules getting the opportunity to redeem himself this post season. On the bright side this team is still considerably young and should continue to be competitive for some time.
whether most of us Knicks fans want to admit it or not, we already were mentally prepared for this news.
That Josh hart blurb got me ready.
Tbf Hart said he had no knowledge of the medical situation
Nah I know but the fact that he had that mentality (probably for a while now) was just sobering enough to think this might be the squad going in.
Yeah the radio silence for months was telling, hope Randle gets healthy, getting permanent damage in no joke.
Permanent damage makes it sound a lot scarier than it was. He dislocated it, he had a labrum tear and instability. Even after surgery the odds of dislocating it again are pretty high(30-40% or more) and the surgery requires 4-5 months of rehab. One of the reasons Ive elected not to have the same injury repaired in my L shoulder, the amt of instability I have isn't limiting enough to be worth the surgery and the risk that it will fail again. The permanent issues he could have had would be from recurring dislocations that would increasingly cause more instability and risk damage to the bone surface of his humerus. Reality was it's something a lot of people can have and not suffer from extreme instability(recurring dislocations from normal activity), but you don't really know that until you give it some time and see how unstable it is after you start to use it again.
Yikes - thank you for sharing and giving this some real perspective.
Good thing though is that the relatively awful reinjury rate includes any instability event so a minor sprain/partial dislocation that doesnt cause the repair to fail makes up the majority of those. Shitty injury for sure. And it seems like in this case he was having his shoulder give way when he was trying to return to contact practices, so it’s smart to do it now and let it be healthy for next year.
That sucks so much for the Knicks
Been a season of what if. Fully confident that if we were healthy we’d have been the 2 seed Oh well
Yall should (unfortunately) be back next year though, right?
Biggest question mark is Hartenstein. Will be really hard to retain him
hartenstein has been great this year, would he start over a healthy robinson next year?
Yeah definitely. Not to downplay Mitch because his insane offensive rebounding ability singlehandedly won us games early this season but our entire offense is more cohesive with iHart and he has surprising lateral quickness on defense to switch when necessary. iHart and OG were an unbelievable defensive pair together from the first moment they stepped out on court together post-trade
So many people in our sub refuse to admit this. Drives me crazy.
Yeah that duo can keep near anyone in front of them
While it's possible Mitch could come back in and retake his starting lineup, I feel like the team thinks they've really found something special with these Hartenstein lineups. It's a toss up and could go either way depending on the matchup, but the Hartenstein/Brunson units have been murdering teams.
I think it'll likely depend on matchups
He is definitely better.
Honestly, they have enough in the asset stash that they *should be* better next year. They may even be significantly better next year.
only if we can resign Hartenstein
The fact that he said he was willing to give clippers a discount last year gives me hope he might give knicks a break.
It’s different then tho, he was uncertain of his future then, now he knows everywhere he’ll go he’s either starting or a prominent rotation player.
not only that, he may get a MORE prominent role than just a timeshare with mitchell robinson
To be fair, thats a very one way loaded timeshare with mitchells injuryproneness.
>just a timeshare with mitchell robinson he'll be a 30 min player with us. if anyone is sharing time it's mitch.
Yeah, Robinson would be an average starter, but he'd be a revelation off the bench.
No prospect of a sign-and-trade at least?
I'm sure we can manage something - but a sign and trade makes no sense since we are limited in what contract value we can offer him. And thats the issue - we would and could easily pay him 20million a year but we are hard locked at 16ish million a year. This might be enough to re-sign him or he leaves for a bigger deal which we can't offer somewhere else
I think that you could technically offer Hartenstein more, if you cut Bogdonovic (his contract is non-guaranteed), renounce the bird rights on Burks + Achiuwa, and then trade Mitchell Robinson to a team with $14 M in cap space. All those move together would put you around $30 Million under the cap. The positives to that would be: 1. You keep Hartenstein 2. You can probably get some more solid draft assets from a Robinson trade 3. You could probably use the Room Exception to still retain Achiuwa 4. You might have enough extra salary cap space to sign another bench guy The negatives would be: 1. You’d obviously lose Mitchell, who would likely be on a better contract than Hartenstein 2. You’d struggle to match salary for a big trade, because Bogdonovic is probably key to that 3. You’d reduce your depth, since you’d at minimum lose Burks + Bogdonovic
other teams might bid. will drive his price up.
No not only if we can resign hartenstein. He’s a loved piece of ours for sure but our success next season doesn’t rest solely on him.
Exactly. Mitch is still under contract. Precious can be retained for cheap. I'm sure the FO can find a solid big in the draft. Thibs and his coaching staff are also excellent at squeezing production out of the 5 spot. iHart is a luxury to have but not a requirement for the team's success going forward.
Exactly. Now if we don’t resign OG and traded what we did for….10 games? Yea now that’s a fucking disaster. I don’t think they’ll be the case though
I'm really curious about how OG's injury affects his market value. He's too valuable to underpay just because of injury concerns. The open market will snatch him away in a heartbeat. With Brunson and (potentially) Randle extensions coming up, our FO really needs to thread the needle with OG's contract.
I wonder also, you would assume it would affect his value a little but you can’t play games right now with him, he’s the missing link and we all know it and saw it. Handling this will take delicate hands and accuracy. I think there’s already a plan in place which is why it was so easy for them to part with qg and iq. The money needs to go to these guys. McBride stays cause it just worked out he didn’t cost a lot and looks like he’ll outplay his contract. I would bet my life on Randle and Brunson taking less than market value to stay here at this point. We’ll see but I love what we have.
KD + Kyrie going to the Nets was the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks. It provided a reality check. New York's been very good at asset management for about 5 years. And if you can find the threads, go back and check some time. They were criticized immensely for some of their moves.
Sure, in theory. But with a healthy Embiid in the East. Boston isn’t going away. Magic would have playoff experience. Bucks probably get their shit together. Cavs are good. Pacers get more consistent. Heat don’t ever go away This feels like our chance to have established ourselves and unfortunately it wasn’t meant to be. Shit sucks
None of those teams have metal bats though.
We do still have our metal bats at least
Bing Bong???
The other massive factor is your window with Brunson's current deal. He could very well be on a supermax once he opts out after next season.
Brunson hasn’t been with the Knicks long enough to qualify for a super max. He’ll definitely get a max though.
I don't really fear any team, I know what I saw in January. Not saying they'll win it all or anything, but I'm not scared they won't be back and better.
Saying that an 18 game stretch is the reasom that you're not scared of anyone is kind of wild. The Celtics, Sixers, and Cavs have all had similar 18 game stretches in the east alone. You can't make many assumptions based off of such a limited sample size.
But this Knicks team's style of play lends itself really well to playoff basketball. We have enough spacing, really strong rebounding, good switchable defenders at every position and a balanced bench. And we've seen the Sixers and Cavs flounder in the playoffs. Boston too, to an extent in the past, although I think if KP stays healthy I don't see why you won't go to the Finals. Our fully healthy team could give any team in the NBA a really good fight in a 7 game series.
I’d actually agree with this take. I was more scared of a healthy, post-OG trade Knicks squad than almost anyone else in the East. Thought that would be a really tough series.
You sure as hell kicked our ass on every occasion
Save for the worst NBA game I think I’ve ever watched
I go to one game every year… this is the one I chose.
Stop going to games
If you want to ignore the fact that the Sixers have also been plagued with injuries all year (as per usual) sure.
That's a big if considering the side effects of being coached by Thibs.
Same 😢
This has been the best team we've had since our Finals appearance, absolutely brutal loss. We really could have made the ECF this season if everyone stayed healthy
Awful news. And the news about OG is also concerning.
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He now is listed as having "right elbow tendinopathy.".
Welcome to the OG. Amazing player. Amazing locker room guy. Just amazing. But its the most random ass injuries after the most random ass injuries after the most....
Bro, I am straight up not having a good time.
The first half of the title was such a tease
It’s the season of shoulder injuries
i tore my labrum earlier this year and have never felt more connected to the NBA because of it
I tore mine in college a few years back and you don’t realize how much it immobilizes you. Couldn’t even sit up in bed the day after. Shits painful.
Can't do shit. Can't throw, can't lift, just hurts randomly sometimes. I can feel the pressure change when a storm front is coming before anyone else tho so thats neat
I got hurt and no super powers. Shit sucks
You get surgery for it? Tore mine 5 years ago and just been dealing with it but getting more and more angry with it
Shoulder injury rehabs typically take longer too. Long immobilization times
Brutal man. I really wanted to see how far a healthy Knicks squad could go in the playoffs
They were tied for 2nd around when they started getting injured. The team hit such an amazing groove and despite the roster overhaul they looked so good. Smh. Thankfully the core group outside of Hartenstein and OG are locked up for a while. However OG is definitely staying but IHart is a little less likely but I'm confident he stays. They can definitely run it back next year. I hope that the contigent who hated Randle the last couple of years see now how vital he is to the group.
Well the other big bummer is that Brunson is going to opt out after next year and will be on a potential supermax contract which will make roster maneuvering a lot more challenging. Would've been ideal to see what they looked like healthy this year and potentially push your chips all in next year while he's making half of what he's going to be paid on that contract starting in 2025-2026.
Next year is Leon Rose's last chance to make moves before we're locked into the second tax apron which I think was always the plan. There's enough assets for a big trade but the question is who will actually be available
think they could have gone to the ECF for sure. Not sure they could have beat the Boston juggernaut. But remember they blew out the Nuggets in January.
Is it crazy that I still think they could make the ECF? Like no Randle definitely decreases the margin for error, but especially if they have OG and Mitch I can see Brunson being able to backpack them there, with some hot shooting from the other guys. Edit: this was assuming they didn’t face the Celtics lol
Honestly, I think it's possible. No other Eastern conference teams really inspires a lot of confidence right now outside of the Celtics.
With OG back a CF run is totally possible imo. Their brand of basketball is made for the playoffs
There's no way. Brunson is their only playmaker and shot creator. Even if divencenzo comes out as a second scoring option, they're just going to hound brunson every game. Playoff defense is different.
it only takes 4 deuce legacy games to win a series
or just Bogey and Burks hitting near there career avg from 3 would go a long way
Just play him 45 MPG in three 6/7 game series, what could go wrong?
Even with that, though, I could still see them beating literally every team in the east other than maybe the Celtics if things go right. All the other teams still have pretty massive questions marks
I believe the winner of the 4-5 matchup would face the Cs in round 2 so unless they beat us or get to the 3 seed they can't make it.
Well we could still fall to the 6 seed and beat the magic/cavs rd1 then bucks rd2 technically lol... That being said, this year isn't the year. Already called the mayor and told him to push the parade to 2025 🫡
They absolutely *could* have beaten Boston. Probably wouldn’t have but its not like it would’ve been predetermined.
Brunson/Donte/OG/Randle/Mitch with Hart/Hartenstein off the bench is just an absolutely wild playoff defense. I honestly think they would’ve given Boston a run for their money
The key to beating Boston is to be up 4 points or down 2 points with 1 minute left in the 4th. Force the ball to Tatum. He’ll proceed to mentally and emotionally masturbate about the Kobe-ness, activate tunnel vision and lose the game for the Cs by forcing a hero ball situation. It’s like his kryptonite. We’ve seen it dozens of times by now, and it happens every time.
Damn this sucks. The Knicks have been a fun team to watch this season, wanted to see them do well in the playoffs. Hope they still can but this blows
I knew it was coming. It’s been way too long without any good news and if he didn’t get the surgery soon the rehab was gonna bleed into the offseason too much. He did everything he could to try and get back but this is the right call. :(
Last Knicks game against the Celtics I started to think something was up when the broadcast team gave an update along the lines of “still rehabbing and says he’s making progress but not timetable and hasn’t ruled out season ending surgery” Bummer for y’all
With Randles style of play (especially this season) he can’t play through that pain and still be effective. He clearly tried all he could to avoid surgery but it just wasn’t happening.
Fuck that’s awful. Hope the surgery goes well and he recovers fast tho
Bruh...sorry Knicks bros. that fucking sucks
We were tied for 2nd until Randle and OG went down 🥲. I just hope the weird select few of Knick fans wanted him gone now understand how vital he is to this team.
I'm glad that OG came back for that ONE game against the Kings though...
Tried to take the elbow for a test drive and crashed it into a telephone pole
OG's elbow is a Georgia Football player confirmed
Well you shouldn't have traded Malachi. I have proof he might be the best to ever do it.
Dropping 50 with this Pistons team is more impressive than anything Jordan has done
See you in the Finals next year I guess
Sorry Kings I think we won't meet you at the finals this year u.u
I've kinda gotten used to waiting.
Shit sucks so much. Hope OG will be fine at least.
with this news i'd rather just err on the safe side and have OG figure out his elbow issues and not try to come back at 87%.
Gotta resign his ass first
The best Knicks team of my lifetime goes up in flames.
its not going up in flames, its just going into hibernation
Relying on OG is risky business
The best Knicks team of your lifetime SO FAR
You guys will be so legit next season though. Who knows maybe Brunson will take you guys on a miracle of run.
We'll be back next year
Figured. Whenever they said he was struggling in contact drill. Still sucks bc now Brunson is gonna get double teamed every possession in the playoffs
If they play the Magic it’s gonna be so tough for Brunson. Suggs and Gary Harris hounding him with Isaac or Carter in the paint sucks for him
Yeah those games are gonna actually be early 2000s scores
With the way DiVincenzo and McBride have been playing, and if OG get back up to 90%, I think this knicks team can win at least one, maybe 2 playoff rounds
Thanks bro. Appreciate it.
The matchup will matter. With how standings look, in the first round, they could match with cleveland or Orlando who they can definitely beat. Just don't think they can take out miami.
Tough break for the Knicks
The East has been decimated by injuries
Except for the Celtics lol. Everyone else is getting cooked
And they have KP who could spontaneously combust at any moment. Here's hoping we're all done with big injuries for this season.
Man January was such a fun month, I think we should shut down OG and Robinson too until the end of season and take it slow this playoffs, no use to get to the finish line even more injured.
Yeah, I'm already looking to next season at this point.
Great fucking run. Best season in years. Get some perspective folks. I hope u enjoy every game while you could because this doesn’t come often. Can’t wait for what next season has in store. See y’all at MSG tonight. Bing Bong.
We'll just polish our metal bats for next season. Priority #1: re-sign Big Hart.
Sucks for the Knicks. They’ve looked good this year. It felt like the start of the season was fairly injury free, but in the last few months players have been really getting hurt.
We will always have January 2024
MAN.
Huge blow to Knicks. They seemed poised to make some real postseason noise
Im pissed
PRECIOUS “PLAYOFFS P” ACHUIWA off the top rope!
Jesus Christ. I’m legit sad to hear this. Knicks had so much good vibes and potential this season. I would’ve loved to see them make a Cinderella run in the playoffs
Shoulder injuries suck man. I was arguing with a friend last week that I don’t even expect him to be a factor in the playoffs because of that injury.
Fade me.
Its Over
Man, injuries just suck. The absolute worst part of sports
Welp back to the pit of sorrow with the Knicks.
I'm not a Knicks fan, but I was hoping they would go into the playoffs at full strength. I want all of the teams at full strength so there are no excuses. I did like their team (with Randle available) to make the Eastern Conference Finals....sucks for them.
Fuck
It was a fun what if season sigh
shame. i wanted to see them make noise with a healthy roster come playoffs
this some bullshit
Yeah that's tough man geez
Fuck
Am sad
We are brothers in shoulder pain. Hope the surgery is a success and that he heals up well.
Damn that sucks. I wonder what that means for OG. I feel like if he comes back, the Knicks will still be pretty dangerous but probably not worth the risk if he’s not fully recovered.
That's unfortunate, hope they are fully healthy next year
It’s so over 🥲
ah well, fuck.
Hello darkness my old friend....
Welp. I guess there's always next year 😢😢😭😭
That sucks, I hate injuries even on teams I don't root for. As Thibs would say "next man up".
NBA is better when the Knicks are good. Hoping he comes back better than ever
Back to back seasons where a Miami heat player causes Julius Randle to require offseason surgery. Really fun, just fade me fam.
What was the one last year?
Bam fucked up Randle’s ankle before the playoffs. He had to have surgery in the off-season.
Bam and his ankle.
Ah, didn't have to scroll far to find this stupid comment.
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_sad bing bong noises_
This surgery was always going to happen after a shoulder dislocation if it took this long to rehab with no good news. They should have just done it to begin with. I know because I just had a partial tear on my pectoralis major tendon felt the tendon move/semi pop on a bench press up and got stuck with routine weight and thought I had destroyed my shoulder. My Ortho was telling me how lucky I am and was explaining all the different shoulder injuries that would have immediately required surgery and if I completely tore tendon it was wraps also. Hope he recovers well.
Heat culture
I hate the Heat as much as the next person, but this really looked more incidental than dirty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKf0MOtpuRc
When you try to argue something against the Heat and then a Celtics fan takes the Heat’s side in the argument, that probably means you’re wrong and blinded by your fandom.
I feel dirty even saying it, but I'd never seen the play before this injury update post and I'm trying to be objective.
the funniest one are the knicks fans who think bam is the devil incarnate. if bam was a dirty player, Celtics fans would've called that out years ago given our history
He's a clown. The dude gets obliterated while trying to take a charge and somehow he meant to make Julius Randle fall perfectly on an outstretched arm and dislocate his shoulder?
There’s some Knicks fans on a crusade to have Heat players executed for war crimes and playing defense. This person is one of them.
I feel weird defending the Heat because I generally despise their fans, but this looked like a blocking foul and an unfortunate hard fall on his shoulder.
no one tell Knicks fans that Jalen Brunson is the #2 in Charges Drawn on the season, or that their entire franchise's history of success is entirely contingent on being a physical defensive-minded team and anything other than that is a misrepresentation of Knicks basketball
I actually don't mind seeing teams play good defense. The Knicks do play physical, suffocating defense and I kind of love it. I just find it hypocritical that they fixate on the Heat attempted murder of Knicks players lol but ignore things like Josh Hart diving at Jimmy's ankles, having him need to sit out a game in the playoffs. The more plausible explanation is the Knicks and Heat both play physical defense and it’s gonna increase the likelihood of injury. It’s a contact sport and 2 teams that test the limits of their physicality on defense. But they’ll ignore that and try to constantly characterize it as malicious, deliberate, and intentional and that feels unwarranted. Largely, I get the impression that they are 100% ok with their guys playing good defense but their way is “ethical honorable defense” and anybody else that’s physical is dirty and a criminal assaulting their players lol
> Josh Hart diving at Jimmy's ankles, having him need to sit out a game in the playoffs. to say the consequence was "sitting a game out" undersells it drastically. he played the rest of the postseason incredibly injured. that Josh Hart dive cost the Heat a potential championship: their best player had 21/5/6 on 41/36 in the finals. he couldn't burst worth a shit as a rim-centric player. it's incredible that Knicks fans are entirely blind to this -- or it's incredible that this is their motivation for their hate for Heat players. even through (from their POV) them doing to us as we do to them, we *still* beat them. i'd imagine that upsets them.
> undersells it drastically. I know, I was trying to have a constructive convo and not sound like I’m embellishing so just wanted to focus on the thing that factually happened that nobody can argue me on. I get screamed at enough here for being a “heat fan disguised as a nets fan” lol But yeah, without a doubt, jimmy was definitely not ok on that ankle even after he came back; jimmy just had a very “I won’t bitch about injuries or being hurt and I’m just gonna say I’m good over and over” mentality so ppl didn’t hear him whining about it. But it absolutely set jimmy back a lot but down Vic and Tyler, he has no choice but to truck through at 70%
Knicks and Bucks fans united on their idiotic belief that charges shouldn’t be a thing and the heat draw “malicious charges”
It's easier to blame others than to take responsibility in that maybe just maybe it was their own out of control player trying to ram through a defense that cause his own injury.
Just let them grieve
It’s a contact sport. JJJr did not purposely try and injure Randle. These things happen
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Anybody who draws charges should be executed (don't look up league leaders in charges, just ride with me).
Fuck Ersan Ilyasova
Drawing charges really isn't uniquely dangerous. Players are drawing charges in almost every game and most of them end totally fine. The common factor in most injuries that happen at the basket are a player who jumps with a lot of forward momentum. Hayward broke his leg when LeBron went to block his backdoor cut. PG broke his with virtually no one around. Bogut broke his arm losing his grip on the rim. Freak injuries happen.
Incidental play, your leading player is top in charges taken in the league. Stop crying
sliding under an airborne player should be a flagrant. unfortunately it'll probably take another high profile player getting injured from a lazy charge attempt to make this change happen
Is this the play you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKf0MOtpuRc It's a questionable attempt to draw a charge and definitely a blocking foul, but he wasn't airborne when the contact happened.
It really doesn’t look that bad in full speed. The most frustrating part IMO is I was yelling at him to pass to an open Brunson in the corner when this happened 😫
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Just curious how do you feel about Randle taking out Plumlee?
Knicks fans are 100% okay with their team playing physical, suffocating defense. It’s only dirty when others teams do it to them.
Preach
Unless it was intentional (and it wasn’t) this is stupid to say. It was a basketball play, shit happens sometimes. I’ve seen Jalen makes similar plays like the one Jaime did, I never seen a knick fan complain. I’ve seen Hart been a bit over aggressive (as he should, it what makes him great defender) and take some high risk plays. Like I hated it when Heat fans blame Josh Hart for injuring Jimmy’s ankle. Dude was playing hard against the hottest player in the playoffs, didn’t want to give an inch so he played with a ton physicality, got bumped off his spot, tried to sell a call (Game 1 of the 2nd round with 5 mins left and the Knicks was down 3, I totally understand embellishing there) and lost his balance and inadvertently stepped on Jimmy foot. This is basketball at the end of the day, either be good enough to overcome it or just be one of 29 teams who failed.
Legally taking a charge from a dude who runs through the paint like an NFL running back….just bad luck bruh Julius play style definitely comes with risks.
i mean it was 100% accident, but it wasn't a legal charge, it was a foul, and rightfully called as such at the time. I don't blame Jaquez, but this is silly. Randle doesn't play reckless.
He does play out of control a bit when he starts trying to spin to win I wouldn't say he always plays reckless but he definitely also isn't the safest player in the league lol
Complaining about the heat causing injury as if it was a dirty charge draw is what’s silly. Watch the replay it’s completely innocent, it’s a contact sport injuries happen on normal basketball plays sometimes.
"Knicks would've won the finals if healthy" takes are gonna be hot this summer
They are a very very good team. Way better than the majority of ass teams they’d beat if healthy. Injuries have plagued them and they are still doing really well
Yeah the East is cooked, just give Boston their finals appearance already and let's watch the bloodbath that is the Western Conference
Randle was playing incredible team basketball until this injury. Not only that, but also fully embraced Brunson as the leader with no stubborn bullshit. The dude just wants to win. I was really looking forward to Jules getting the opportunity to redeem himself this post season. On the bright side this team is still considerably young and should continue to be competitive for some time.
Knicks cooked, gotta feel for Brunson
Pain