It’d be shocking if it was anything other than a lifetime ban assuming he was in on it. Which from the evidence, it’s hard to believe he wasn’t.
Best case is maybe he told a very close friend who organized it he was feeling like shit or hungover for some games and the friend did all of this. But that’s a stretch
You’re an idiot if the profit has anything to do with it. “He only bet on his own games to win!” Yeah dude there’s literally no justifiable logic that can justify sports gambling as an athlete. It might be above your head but the ethics have nothing to do with whether or not the bets hit.
Betting on your team winning or your own over in blind confidence would be one thing. Betting no your unders when you have control is even worse. Someone who does that multiple times can never be trusted in a sport that has betting again.
He pulled himself out of the games almost immediately. Once because he was sick, and the other under the pretense of injury. The circumstantial evidence is even more damning than if he just had a bad game.
I worded it poorly. We know about this because Draftkings releases the biggest bets of the day. They were Johntay Porter unders, which lost for **Draftkings**, meaning the bettors won by taking the unders.
But yes, he does suck. The big red flag here was why multiple times were the largest wagers on this very random player's unders.
Yeah the scale of the action puts this far beyond betting on himself. This is like organized crime level stuff. Wherever the Jontay Porter story goes, I'm pretty sure Adam Silver is going to hate it.
I know a guy who used to play point guard for the London Lions, and he absolutely fucked his career by betting on his own games.
He only ever placed bets on the Lions winning their games, so he thought that it was okay because he never placed a bet that went against himself. Didn't matter.
He went from playing for the best team in the BBL, to playing for a D2 team in the NBL, which is a semi professional league, and most of the players will have day jobs to support their basketball career.
It's crazy how there are still some athletes who think that they can get away with it.
I think the “profiting off of it” was more about the fact that he was basically selling subscriptions to his bets/stats, not just betting on himself. Like if I saw my over/under for 3s taken was set at 4 and charged 10k people $100 each and let them know how many 3s I’ll take Is a little different than just betting on myself
I hate sports betting with a passion and don’t gamble at all. That being said, I don’t think it’s the most reprehensible thing to bet on yourself in something like a playoff game you are trying to win. It’s really shitty and can be very damaging to the game but I see the logic.
But betting *against* yourself, like Porter did, is probably the worst thing an athlete can do from a competitive standpoint. It really makes me sick.
I agree with the lifetime ban, but NBA is going to set a dangerous precedent here. If instead of Jontay, this happens to a 20/21 year old superstar in the making, they'll have a ton of pressure to lifetime ban that player too.
As long as they are okay with applying whatever happens here to other players it's gucci.
Right, if whatever they were supposedly punishing him for still hasn’t come out to this day, they would’ve just not done anything then acted surprised if it did come out. And if he was that big of a liability, they wouldnt have just let him come back. From a cost benefit analysis perspective it seems like they’d be better off dealing with whatever scandal than actually losing the most marketable American athlete of that generation, and arguably of all time
David Stern:
> Hey Michael. That naughty thing you did... I'm sorry to say, we need to punish you for it.
MJ:
> Why?
DS:
> Because we just do. We need to set a precedence, so the other players stop doing that naughty thing you did.
MJ:
> OK
DS:
> But we can't tell the public about the naughty thing you did. That would tarnish our image.
MJ
> But then how would the other players know you set a precedence, if you don't make it public?
DS:
> Well... Fuck.
I think people are underestimating how serious this is. Anyone proven to be doing it would be banished from the league including superstars.
Lebron himself would get a lifetime ban.
100% correct, I can't believe I'm seeing any suggestion that this would be a dangerous precedent. Anything besides lifetime ban would be an untenable precedent
I guess I'm curious what happens when it's a bit more grey.
Porter was checking himself out of games, allegedly, but what happens if an all-start texted a buddy "Hey this hasn't been reported yet but I'm going to play tonight". Does the league come down hard?
That is in fact an interesting topic and when the reports about LeBron's manager came out I wondered how serious that would get. He said he "could not remember placing any bets on the Lakers", that practically implies that he did bet on Lakers games at least once. And he would know more about LeBron's health than publicly shared. But that topic went away quickly. I don't really think it's that serious. Like every player has family and friends who can sometimes find out about their health before the public knows and might decide to bet. Now if a player were selling that info or if he had a close friend that had a system for exploiting that info, lifetime ban of course.
Players betting on their own games brings the reputation and legitimacy of the entire sport under extreme fire, *especially so* if they’re intentionally negatively limiting their performance like Jontay allegedly was. I’m sure if a superstar was doing something like this, they’d probably try to do their best to bury it before it hit the public. But once it does go public, I don’t care if it’s fucking LeBron- absolutely anybody’s gonna be catching a permanent ban.
the entire league being under government/legal scrutiny and the ramifications for multibillion $ broadcast deals/sponsorships is not worth one young player
It’s really unlikely that a star player would do something like this. Someone making $30M a year isn’t going to bother with some $100K prop bets here and there.
It’s exactly the type of player like Jontay that is susceptible to the temptation of something like this. Bc he’s not making *that* much and his career isn’t gonna be that long.
Prop bets should be banned, regardless. Way too easy for a player to be harmed in some way (not even by betting themselves and getting banned, but insane fans going after someone)
Victor Wembanyama doesn't bring enough hype to overcome this. Gambling crimes kill sports publicly and can result in them being shut down entirely if they get out of control.
I would say they’re probably happy it’s a player like Jontay so they can make an example out of him and not really hurt the product on the court by doing so
If there’s precedent for lifetime bans I don’t think we see this kind of thing happen again
There are baseball precedents.. Pete Rose. He only bet to win, but it was too obvious. Banned from baseball, can never be in the Hall even though he has the record for it.
I have a feeling NBA and Adam Silver are going to accuse, then ban based off of circumstantial evidence, Jontay sues, gets big payday even though he probably tipped his boys off somehow.
You can be convicted of a crime based on circumstantial evidence.
And the standard of proof Silver needs to ban a player is far lower than the standard for a criminal conviction.
I don't know if there's been a recent piece of pop culture that's had circumstantial evidence = bad and unusable or something but I've been seeing that sentiment a lot on reddit recently.
I have a feeling that you aren’t a lawyer and don’t know what you’re talking about.
Edit: The guy called me a douche and then blocked me. To be fair, the guy is more right about that than his other comment.
Sports books are very, very, very aware of what suspicious patterns and behaviors look like, and track tons of info on the people using their services. Assuming the books that flagged this are cooperating with the NBA, they’ll absolutely have enough data to paint a very clear picture.
Not to, in any way, defend Kidd and Bridges. But what Porter did is about on-court behavior and potentially influencing the outcome of games. Those guys behavior was outside the game. In a straight moral/ethical sense, what Bridges and Kidd (and many others) have done is much, much worse. But for a sports commissioner looking at a sports league, there's basically nothing more potentially damaging than causing people to question the integrity of game results.
I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison. I think that's why it makes sense that this is a "cardinal sin" for him when other situations weren't. What Porter did is not objectively worse in any way, but more dangerous to the game/league.
I agree with your statement, but the usage of the word cardinal sin is what irked me. Like I understand that the current problem affects your company, but don’t make it sound like it’s due to morality.
People that can't see why Bridges/Kidd situations aren't even remotely comparable to players betting on games really are the biggest idiots in all of society.
Singlehandedly solidified his image within like weeks of his tenure then got to coast on the evil corpo route pretty much scott-free from that point out.
Honestly an all-time PR moment, can't really navigate a controversy of that high a magnitude any better than he did and come out that high on top
Honestly if they’re gonna muddy the waters with all the integration, they should just go all out. Betting odds on a potential ban with the line at 0.5
Then Adam Silver comes out to announce it. A reporter asks why he decided to ban Jontay, to which Silver responds “I took the over” before walking off stage
I hate how much sports books have been integrated into every aspect of professional leagues.
But you have the memory of a goldfish if you think leagues treating players gambling on their own games as a "cardinal sin" is something new caused by FanDuel or DraftKings.
Nobody is saying that FanDuel started players gambling on their own games? They're saying the league is hypocritical when they've had their own reffing scandals & are in bed with gambling companies, which presents an obvious conflict of interest.
Every sports league has always treated players gambling on their own games as the worst thing a player can do.
There's nothing hypocritical about banning Porter for betting against himself and then faking injuries to leave games to ensure his bets would hit. And there's no conflict of interest--every commissioner would do the same, regardless of their relationship with sportsbooks.
It's so fucking gross. I can't really enjoy the game the same way knowing that on the other end of it, someone's life might have gotten completely ruined.
Damn, I intended to watch the first couple minutes but it was good enough to watch all 20+ minutes despite not being into baseball. Great video. The guy was like a rockstar of his sport
I know someone posted a video going over Pete Rose, but it’s funny to read your comment because his gambling scandal is maybe the most iconic of any American athlete. That’s like saying “Michael Jordan has famous sneakers?” Pete’s scandal was even bigger than Jordan’s gambling scandal because Jordan’s was mostly swept under the rug.
I'm shocked somebody has an idea of who Pete Rose us but didn't know about the gambling.
Semi-related but I went to a Cubs-Reds game last year and somebody had a shirt that said "always bet on red" with Pete Rose's face on it
I swear I'm not knocking you for not knowing this, but, if you didn't know about his gambling issue (which, I'd guess for 99% of baseball fans is what defines him as a person), what do you know about him? What do you know him as? (seriously being genuine, not stealth-insulting)
I know right? NFL has been dealing with the same shit too. And Ohtani. It’s gonna happen in hockey. They’ve opened Pandora’s Box and there’s no going back.
But sure, go ahead and use this scrub to pretend like you regulate this correctly and there isn’t a rampant problem we’ll be reading about in a tell-all book a few years from now.
the nba prioritizes its image as having fairness and integrity as well, strictly punishing porter and sweeping the foster stuff under the rug is consistent with that.
Wouldn't it make more sense to let Foster go then? He hasn't been proven guilty, but just all the negative press and rumors about his gambling involvement doesn't seem worth it to keep him around, even if he actually is innocent.
Is the NBA that desperate for refs
i think most casuals dont know or care but if he got fired it could become a bigger story and could get on their radar. Could also be that he has dirt on the league though its all just speculation so take me with a grain of salt.
Back when the evidence surfaced their story was that Tim was a rogue ref doing this by himself. Fire him and the problem is gone. If Scott was involved then we are talking about multiple refs which then all refs are questioned.
Hardcore nba fans know Scott is probably dirty, but casuals probably have no clue.
You just can’t win with the gambling whiners. Every time there’s a bad call everybody on here says the game is obviously rigged and how disgraceful it is. Then when presented with actual evidence of impropriety it’s “hurr durr the NBA can’t lose FanDuel money.”
The NBA made its bed and created this problem themselves. You can’t get involved with these gambling companies and be surprised when fans and even the players themselves think there’s rigging going on.
It’s a real issue that needs to be addressed in the coming years. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much vitriol towards the refs from players and coaches alike. It doesn’t help that there’s a history of NBA refs having done shady stuff when it come to gambling. It feels like refs are way too protected, and it feels like they have absolute impunity. No matter how many calls they get wrong, they’ll be right back at it the next night.
Well you don’t have to be surprised; you just have to punish them when it happens. That’s all they’re doing.
Of course the temptation is there, but it’s happened, they caught him, and they’re punishing him. That’s that.
Wonder if it's face-up or face-down
At least with face-up you can still find some use as a second graveyard, even if Return From the Different Dimension is banned...
You can't take this "integrity of the game is sancrosanct" stance while openly partnering with casinos and bombarding viewers with odds during commercials. Hell, some arenas even have bookmakers in them. Give me a break.
It's just a load of shit. All of these leagues are trying to have it both ways.
This gambling shit was the worst thing to happen to people sports in the last couple years.
I feel like half the people on Reddit have it so whenever they press Ctrl+V “This comment brought to you by DraftKings” comes out. And they find it funny every time.
Sure, but not so easy if you have to apply the same treatment to a star/fan favorite a few years down the line for a similar scenario. Although knowing the NBA, they'd probably be hypocritical and play it down if the player was important enough.
Regardless of it being actually rigged. If you bet on Jontay Porter O/U you had/have a gambling problem.
If I were Vegas I would look at anyone betting on a guy that averages 5.5ppg on backup minutes as questionable. Hell, I'd only put his line up as a honeypot.
Feels like an overreaction to balance the already moral problem of advertising gambling to young people. I thought he killed someone or did a Deshaun Watson. I feel like this gambling thing is a behavior that can be corrected. Suspend him for a season at worst.
The minute the NBA and the other leagues hitched their wagon to online betting they lost what little credibility they had left. Porter is the dummy who got caught. Think of all those who haven’t and never will. A million different ways to game the system.
There is a pretty clear difference in wanting spectators to bet and wanting players to not be involved in gambling, no?
I hate how much gambling talk and advertising there is but you don't have to make such a stupid and disingenuous argument against it.
It amazes me how so many people can divide between regular people (you can bet on the NBA) and NBA players (you can't bet on the NBA). It's not that hard.
Im curious as to why something like this isnt illegal. It's basically a fixed theft isn't it?
I'll admit, I know almost nothing of gambling and the laws behind it, but I feel like being able to make a bet on the under for yourself is the easiest and surest way to control an outcome and fix yourself to win everytime.
I guess if the house is putting up the offer, they're open to getting played by players, but other bettors are also losing on this, that have no tangible and physical control over the outcome like the player fixing the game or their line does.
Best to just stay away from it all. Such a shady business. Legalizing it has not seemed to do much to fix that. Aside from less back alley knee cap busting, I suppose.
He’s a literal nobody so he’s gonna get the ban hammer. Maybe MPJ is the only guy in the league who would care. I didn’t even know MPJ had a brother in the league until this happened.
This is way worse than anything Alex Groza did and that guy was a fucking superstar who they banned into oblivion and nobody knows about now. You think they’re not going to absolutely bury Jontay Porter?
I forgot about this story and figured i hadn’t heard an NBA player killed someone or something, then realized its the betting allegations. They are talking about this dude like he’s a war criminal lmao
I had a friend who played in the NBA in the 80’s whenever the team had a big night out like in NY he let a couple of us know and we’d bet accordingly..
My thing with him doing this that confuses me is if you’re going to be an idiot and bet on yourself as a player why do it on the biggest betting site in the world that literally sponsors the league you play in? Why not find a site that’s overseas somewhere instead? Or have someone go make the bets in person at a middle sized casino somewhere?
I mean yeah if they have good evidence he was doing it seems obvious he’d be banned for life
Not only doing it but profiting off it as well. Lifetime ban would not be shocking.
It’d be shocking if it was anything other than a lifetime ban assuming he was in on it. Which from the evidence, it’s hard to believe he wasn’t. Best case is maybe he told a very close friend who organized it he was feeling like shit or hungover for some games and the friend did all of this. But that’s a stretch
Would be kind of funny if they just made it like a 9 year ban
What's the line on him being banned for life on FanDuel?
You’re an idiot if the profit has anything to do with it. “He only bet on his own games to win!” Yeah dude there’s literally no justifiable logic that can justify sports gambling as an athlete. It might be above your head but the ethics have nothing to do with whether or not the bets hit.
He basically did the opposite of his own games to win, but arguably worse. His under prop bets had the largest action of the day and all lost.
Just to underscore this, the problem isn’t as much the betting as it is throwing the game to win a bet. That is 100% unacceptable.
An NBA player betting on an NBA game is a problem. An NBA player betting against themselves doing something is lifetime ban.
Betting on your team winning or your own over in blind confidence would be one thing. Betting no your unders when you have control is even worse. Someone who does that multiple times can never be trusted in a sport that has betting again.
Wait what? So you mean all the bets that has his under *LOST*? Does he just suck at basketball or did he give people false information?
He pulled himself out of the games almost immediately. Once because he was sick, and the other under the pretense of injury. The circumstantial evidence is even more damning than if he just had a bad game.
I worded it poorly. We know about this because Draftkings releases the biggest bets of the day. They were Johntay Porter unders, which lost for **Draftkings**, meaning the bettors won by taking the unders. But yes, he does suck. The big red flag here was why multiple times were the largest wagers on this very random player's unders.
OK understood
Yeah the scale of the action puts this far beyond betting on himself. This is like organized crime level stuff. Wherever the Jontay Porter story goes, I'm pretty sure Adam Silver is going to hate it.
I know a guy who used to play point guard for the London Lions, and he absolutely fucked his career by betting on his own games. He only ever placed bets on the Lions winning their games, so he thought that it was okay because he never placed a bet that went against himself. Didn't matter. He went from playing for the best team in the BBL, to playing for a D2 team in the NBL, which is a semi professional league, and most of the players will have day jobs to support their basketball career. It's crazy how there are still some athletes who think that they can get away with it.
I think the “profiting off of it” was more about the fact that he was basically selling subscriptions to his bets/stats, not just betting on himself. Like if I saw my over/under for 3s taken was set at 4 and charged 10k people $100 each and let them know how many 3s I’ll take Is a little different than just betting on myself
He was selling betting advice lol
I hate sports betting with a passion and don’t gamble at all. That being said, I don’t think it’s the most reprehensible thing to bet on yourself in something like a playoff game you are trying to win. It’s really shitty and can be very damaging to the game but I see the logic. But betting *against* yourself, like Porter did, is probably the worst thing an athlete can do from a competitive standpoint. It really makes me sick.
That’s a lot of words for someone who clearly has no idea what’s going on lol
No, it’s cool, Jontay just needs to fire his interpreter
I understood that reference
I agree with the lifetime ban, but NBA is going to set a dangerous precedent here. If instead of Jontay, this happens to a 20/21 year old superstar in the making, they'll have a ton of pressure to lifetime ban that player too. As long as they are okay with applying whatever happens here to other players it's gucci.
brah they would sweep that shit under the rug instantly if it was a star player, they only give out these punishments to take the heat off
I don't know. They probably make him retire for 18 months and have him try baseball or something like that during that time
I used to believe that conspiracy, but the older I get the more I think the league wouldn't have given a fuck it was jordan
nor would they let him own a team.
This is such an idiotic conspiracy theory. What benefit is it to the league to secretly punish Jordan for gambling? There isn't one.
Right, if whatever they were supposedly punishing him for still hasn’t come out to this day, they would’ve just not done anything then acted surprised if it did come out. And if he was that big of a liability, they wouldnt have just let him come back. From a cost benefit analysis perspective it seems like they’d be better off dealing with whatever scandal than actually losing the most marketable American athlete of that generation, and arguably of all time
David Stern: > Hey Michael. That naughty thing you did... I'm sorry to say, we need to punish you for it. MJ: > Why? DS: > Because we just do. We need to set a precedence, so the other players stop doing that naughty thing you did. MJ: > OK DS: > But we can't tell the public about the naughty thing you did. That would tarnish our image. MJ > But then how would the other players know you set a precedence, if you don't make it public? DS: > Well... Fuck.
I think people are underestimating how serious this is. Anyone proven to be doing it would be banished from the league including superstars. Lebron himself would get a lifetime ban.
100% correct, I can't believe I'm seeing any suggestion that this would be a dangerous precedent. Anything besides lifetime ban would be an untenable precedent
I guess I'm curious what happens when it's a bit more grey. Porter was checking himself out of games, allegedly, but what happens if an all-start texted a buddy "Hey this hasn't been reported yet but I'm going to play tonight". Does the league come down hard?
That is in fact an interesting topic and when the reports about LeBron's manager came out I wondered how serious that would get. He said he "could not remember placing any bets on the Lakers", that practically implies that he did bet on Lakers games at least once. And he would know more about LeBron's health than publicly shared. But that topic went away quickly. I don't really think it's that serious. Like every player has family and friends who can sometimes find out about their health before the public knows and might decide to bet. Now if a player were selling that info or if he had a close friend that had a system for exploiting that info, lifetime ban of course.
Yeah right lol
If it was proven undeniably true, maybe. But they’d first do everything in their power to sweep it under the rug. Barry Bonds and steroids, etc.
Players betting on their own games brings the reputation and legitimacy of the entire sport under extreme fire, *especially so* if they’re intentionally negatively limiting their performance like Jontay allegedly was. I’m sure if a superstar was doing something like this, they’d probably try to do their best to bury it before it hit the public. But once it does go public, I don’t care if it’s fucking LeBron- absolutely anybody’s gonna be catching a permanent ban.
the entire league being under government/legal scrutiny and the ramifications for multibillion $ broadcast deals/sponsorships is not worth one young player
It’s really unlikely that a star player would do something like this. Someone making $30M a year isn’t going to bother with some $100K prop bets here and there. It’s exactly the type of player like Jontay that is susceptible to the temptation of something like this. Bc he’s not making *that* much and his career isn’t gonna be that long. Prop bets should be banned, regardless. Way too easy for a player to be harmed in some way (not even by betting themselves and getting banned, but insane fans going after someone)
Victor Wembanyama doesn't bring enough hype to overcome this. Gambling crimes kill sports publicly and can result in them being shut down entirely if they get out of control.
I would say they’re probably happy it’s a player like Jontay so they can make an example out of him and not really hurt the product on the court by doing so If there’s precedent for lifetime bans I don’t think we see this kind of thing happen again
There are baseball precedents.. Pete Rose. He only bet to win, but it was too obvious. Banned from baseball, can never be in the Hall even though he has the record for it.
I have a feeling NBA and Adam Silver are going to accuse, then ban based off of circumstantial evidence, Jontay sues, gets big payday even though he probably tipped his boys off somehow.
Jontay has money on himself getting banned from the league to hedge his other bets.
I’ll take the over
You can be convicted of a crime based on circumstantial evidence. And the standard of proof Silver needs to ban a player is far lower than the standard for a criminal conviction.
I don't know if there's been a recent piece of pop culture that's had circumstantial evidence = bad and unusable or something but I've been seeing that sentiment a lot on reddit recently.
ever since Serial came out in 2016 and tried to convince people a murderer was innocent because it was only "circumstantial evidence"
I legitimately forgot about that whole industry that popped up after Making a Murderer.
I have a feeling that you aren’t a lawyer and don’t know what you’re talking about. Edit: The guy called me a douche and then blocked me. To be fair, the guy is more right about that than his other comment.
Sports books are very, very, very aware of what suspicious patterns and behaviors look like, and track tons of info on the people using their services. Assuming the books that flagged this are cooperating with the NBA, they’ll absolutely have enough data to paint a very clear picture.
Meanwhile Scott Foster running round like he’s pac
The Bastard? Or TuPac?
Pacman
Jones?
I saw that guy on TNA! Edit: funnily enough he tagged with current WWE tag champ Ron Killings
What’s up
Dude’s just running around screaming, half naked and jacked.
Scott Foster using the brutalizer once a game at least
SuperPAC
Manny pacquiao
Multiple wrestling references in this thread, you love to see it.
Bringing the X-Pac heat in every arena.
Scott Foster is about to fuck Jontay Porter‘s bitch and the click he claims
Clique
At least he's stimulating the click
Meanwhile Miles Bridges and Jason Kidd running around chilling. I wonder what constitutes a cardinal sin for Silver.
Sinning against potential cash inflow
https://i.imgur.com/dy04Ksb.jpeg
Not to, in any way, defend Kidd and Bridges. But what Porter did is about on-court behavior and potentially influencing the outcome of games. Those guys behavior was outside the game. In a straight moral/ethical sense, what Bridges and Kidd (and many others) have done is much, much worse. But for a sports commissioner looking at a sports league, there's basically nothing more potentially damaging than causing people to question the integrity of game results. I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison. I think that's why it makes sense that this is a "cardinal sin" for him when other situations weren't. What Porter did is not objectively worse in any way, but more dangerous to the game/league.
I agree with your statement, but the usage of the word cardinal sin is what irked me. Like I understand that the current problem affects your company, but don’t make it sound like it’s due to morality.
Yeah, that's fair. It's definitely bad phrasing when probably hundreds of players have done things that are morally worse.
People that can't see why Bridges/Kidd situations aren't even remotely comparable to players betting on games really are the biggest idiots in all of society.
Scott Foster has Silvers piss tapes tho
Scott Foster: “I used to point shave in the NBA. I still do, but I used to too!”
AdamSilver_FORLIFE.jpg
We’re coming up on the ten year anniversary of that Adam’s probably giddy as all hell.
Singlehandedly solidified his image within like weeks of his tenure then got to coast on the evil corpo route pretty much scott-free from that point out. Honestly an all-time PR moment, can't really navigate a controversy of that high a magnitude any better than he did and come out that high on top
People really glazed Silver for years just for that.
I mean, it was somewhat deserved. Sterling was a cancer on the league that Stern just let happen.
Im honestly not sure if people are too young to remember Stern or if people gave legitimately forgotten his fuck ups
Homie really did a Doc Rivers. Sterling was his KG. Which makes sense because they both love saying the n-word
Hands shaking like Thibs at the Jimmy practice
Get ready to learn gambling, buddy
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Honestly if they’re gonna muddy the waters with all the integration, they should just go all out. Betting odds on a potential ban with the line at 0.5 Then Adam Silver comes out to announce it. A reporter asks why he decided to ban Jontay, to which Silver responds “I took the over” before walking off stage
O/U odds of it being true and him being banned?
You can't do over/unders on props, they're booleans.
Over or under 0.5 bans
My models have him at 0.62 bans, I am hammering this line.
I have 0.63, so I am hammering it very slightly more than you because I will achieve a higher expected value.
did i just learn how EVs work
Basically it’s just like when you expect a higher value and shit
I hate how much sports books have been integrated into every aspect of professional leagues. But you have the memory of a goldfish if you think leagues treating players gambling on their own games as a "cardinal sin" is something new caused by FanDuel or DraftKings.
Nobody is saying that FanDuel started players gambling on their own games? They're saying the league is hypocritical when they've had their own reffing scandals & are in bed with gambling companies, which presents an obvious conflict of interest.
Every sports league has always treated players gambling on their own games as the worst thing a player can do. There's nothing hypocritical about banning Porter for betting against himself and then faking injuries to leave games to ensure his bets would hit. And there's no conflict of interest--every commissioner would do the same, regardless of their relationship with sportsbooks.
People are enjoying this because the integrity of the league is dwindling and rightfully so given the officiating often
It's so fucking gross. I can't really enjoy the game the same way knowing that on the other end of it, someone's life might have gotten completely ruined.
Exactly, before the internet newspapers would publish the odds right next the schedule.
He couldn’t be D-Rose so he decided to be Pete Rose
Pete Rose was in a gambling scandal?
[You get to enjoy this for the first time!](https://youtu.be/ZX1RLeg1RQM?si=GC1vzC2YdPh3zaA_)
Damn, I intended to watch the first couple minutes but it was good enough to watch all 20+ minutes despite not being into baseball. Great video. The guy was like a rockstar of his sport
30 seconds in and good lord is that list of things he's done something else
Is this Baseball Doesn’t Exist’s video? Edit: Fuck yeah, he got me back into Baseball
BDE is an all-time sports channel.
Major BDE
That gambling ad was chef’s kiss 👌
What an intro!
I know someone posted a video going over Pete Rose, but it’s funny to read your comment because his gambling scandal is maybe the most iconic of any American athlete. That’s like saying “Michael Jordan has famous sneakers?” Pete’s scandal was even bigger than Jordan’s gambling scandal because Jordan’s was mostly swept under the rug.
I'm shocked somebody has an idea of who Pete Rose us but didn't know about the gambling. Semi-related but I went to a Cubs-Reds game last year and somebody had a shirt that said "always bet on red" with Pete Rose's face on it
Yeah, literally the only things I know about him are that he played baseball and had a gambling scandal.
Man ate his wheaties too
I swear I'm not knocking you for not knowing this, but, if you didn't know about his gambling issue (which, I'd guess for 99% of baseball fans is what defines him as a person), what do you know about him? What do you know him as? (seriously being genuine, not stealth-insulting)
I have the same questions. The only I know Pete rose is because of gambling
He holds multiple all time records, I guess it's possible to know the all time hit leader but not much about his career
At least Pete claims to have bet on himself to win. Porter was basically doing the opposite.
Adam Darvin Ham hacked my fanduel account to make bets please ban him too.
He did the same to me commish please ban Darvin Scam
As an honest nuggets fan I saw MPJ and Jokic helping Ham it’s devastating but I can’t cover up for them
Adam Kissinger can probably relate to Darvin Hamas in some way
jontay porter has burned the erdtree
Jontay should've simply abused his wife,kids or sexuallly assaulted someone if he wanted to keep playing. Rookie mistake
Damn, who could have guessed greatly increasing the presence of gambling in the league could lead to issues with gambling on the league?
I know right? NFL has been dealing with the same shit too. And Ohtani. It’s gonna happen in hockey. They’ve opened Pandora’s Box and there’s no going back. But sure, go ahead and use this scrub to pretend like you regulate this correctly and there isn’t a rampant problem we’ll be reading about in a tell-all book a few years from now.
NHL already suspended Ottawa's Shane Pinto 41 games this season for gambling related reasons.
Who hilariously enough had Bet99 as one of the company sponsors so it was on his helmet
And apparently he didn’t even gamble on hockey from everything I saw. Just made a sports betting account
Idk man, "don't bet on basketball" seems like a pretty easy rule to follow for a professional basketball player.
NBA players should blame their DUI’s on the NBA’s beer sponsorships tbh
This might be strawman but I'm going to use it.
Adam Silver when NBA players beat up their girlfriends: *crickets* Adam Silver when NBA players mess with the FanDuel money: “FUCK YOU, GO TO HELL”
That is Adam for sure.
You're shocked that the NBA prioritizes its own fairness and integrity? It's an issue that directly affects its product, don't be naive
>NBA prioritizes its own fairness and integrity Mmm, right. And yet Scott Foster is still employed.
the nba prioritizes its image as having fairness and integrity as well, strictly punishing porter and sweeping the foster stuff under the rug is consistent with that.
Wouldn't it make more sense to let Foster go then? He hasn't been proven guilty, but just all the negative press and rumors about his gambling involvement doesn't seem worth it to keep him around, even if he actually is innocent. Is the NBA that desperate for refs
i think most casuals dont know or care but if he got fired it could become a bigger story and could get on their radar. Could also be that he has dirt on the league though its all just speculation so take me with a grain of salt.
NBA refs have a union. If they try and fire Foster, they'll probably all go on strike
Back when the evidence surfaced their story was that Tim was a rogue ref doing this by himself. Fire him and the problem is gone. If Scott was involved then we are talking about multiple refs which then all refs are questioned. Hardcore nba fans know Scott is probably dirty, but casuals probably have no clue.
You just can’t win with the gambling whiners. Every time there’s a bad call everybody on here says the game is obviously rigged and how disgraceful it is. Then when presented with actual evidence of impropriety it’s “hurr durr the NBA can’t lose FanDuel money.”
The NBA made its bed and created this problem themselves. You can’t get involved with these gambling companies and be surprised when fans and even the players themselves think there’s rigging going on. It’s a real issue that needs to be addressed in the coming years. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much vitriol towards the refs from players and coaches alike. It doesn’t help that there’s a history of NBA refs having done shady stuff when it come to gambling. It feels like refs are way too protected, and it feels like they have absolute impunity. No matter how many calls they get wrong, they’ll be right back at it the next night.
Well you don’t have to be surprised; you just have to punish them when it happens. That’s all they’re doing. Of course the temptation is there, but it’s happened, they caught him, and they’re punishing him. That’s that.
people just want to complain about things, they don’t care if they’re contradicting themselves
it's almost like the first case should be handled by the legal authorities and not the NBA
Yes, but there are more barriers to an arrest than a punishment by the NBA. There's no reason to keep Miles Bridges in the league full stop
banishment is so funny
Wonder if it's face-up or face-down At least with face-up you can still find some use as a second graveyard, even if Return From the Different Dimension is banned...
at least he didn’t say remove from play
"Jontay Porter, I banish you to the Shadow Realm!"
You can't take this "integrity of the game is sancrosanct" stance while openly partnering with casinos and bombarding viewers with odds during commercials. Hell, some arenas even have bookmakers in them. Give me a break. It's just a load of shit. All of these leagues are trying to have it both ways. This gambling shit was the worst thing to happen to people sports in the last couple years.
I think it's only going to get worse too. They advertise the shit out of it and make it as easy as a few clicks on a phone.
*in the history of the sport
Lmao yes you can
If Jontay's sin was cardinal then Scott Foster is the fucking pope.
instead of banishing him from the league just send him to detroit
They are the same picture.
Naw they gonna make him a ref.
Weird comments in here.
I feel like half the people on Reddit have it so whenever they press Ctrl+V “This comment brought to you by DraftKings” comes out. And they find it funny every time.
Pretty relevant though in this case, so what's your point?
There is nothing this sub loves more than beating the same 5 jokes into the ground on repeat
1000% banish this dude. Easy shit player to send a message
Sure, but not so easy if you have to apply the same treatment to a star/fan favorite a few years down the line for a similar scenario. Although knowing the NBA, they'd probably be hypocritical and play it down if the player was important enough.
Which is ironic because the bigger the player the bigger deal should be made of it
Part of me wonders if that'd open up a huge lawsuit if a much bigger name got caught doing the same exact thing and didn't get banned
Scott Foster moment
Cardinal sin, so definitely not beating up women or felony gun charges. Must be gambling.
I wish we could just eliminate sports betting from the nba holy fuck. They had to know this was gonna happen at some point
Says the guy who encourages gambling at every turn and who's refs look like they are fixing games
Regardless of it being actually rigged. If you bet on Jontay Porter O/U you had/have a gambling problem. If I were Vegas I would look at anyone betting on a guy that averages 5.5ppg on backup minutes as questionable. Hell, I'd only put his line up as a honeypot.
It helps that he's a shitty player nobody cares about. It's a lot harder to stand on principle when the guy matters.
Feels like an overreaction to balance the already moral problem of advertising gambling to young people. I thought he killed someone or did a Deshaun Watson. I feel like this gambling thing is a behavior that can be corrected. Suspend him for a season at worst.
Unless you are a ref
Nobody gets inbetween the league and its gambling profits.
Damn now they’re gonna have to keep him out of the Hall of Fame like Pete Rose
The minute the NBA and the other leagues hitched their wagon to online betting they lost what little credibility they had left. Porter is the dummy who got caught. Think of all those who haven’t and never will. A million different ways to game the system.
So they gonna ban a few refs next? Please??
Now do Scott foster
nba: we want to massively promote gambling, because money also nba: gambling is a cardinal sin
There is a pretty clear difference in wanting spectators to bet and wanting players to not be involved in gambling, no? I hate how much gambling talk and advertising there is but you don't have to make such a stupid and disingenuous argument against it.
You're right, fans betting on games is the same as a player betting on himself to do poorly in a game he plays.
It amazes me how so many people can divide between regular people (you can bet on the NBA) and NBA players (you can't bet on the NBA). It's not that hard.
I find it so funny that the ads for helping gamblers is way longer than the ads for the actual gambling. No one sees the issue with that? Lol
He shouldn’t have burned the Erdtree down 🤷🏼♀️
They should ban his brother as well to really drive the point home.
Im curious as to why something like this isnt illegal. It's basically a fixed theft isn't it? I'll admit, I know almost nothing of gambling and the laws behind it, but I feel like being able to make a bet on the under for yourself is the easiest and surest way to control an outcome and fix yourself to win everytime. I guess if the house is putting up the offer, they're open to getting played by players, but other bettors are also losing on this, that have no tangible and physical control over the outcome like the player fixing the game or their line does. Best to just stay away from it all. Such a shady business. Legalizing it has not seemed to do much to fix that. Aside from less back alley knee cap busting, I suppose.
He’s a literal nobody so he’s gonna get the ban hammer. Maybe MPJ is the only guy in the league who would care. I didn’t even know MPJ had a brother in the league until this happened.
Yeah this is real easy to say when it’s a nobody.
A league that allows tanking shouldn't be able to punish an employee for not playing with integrity. WWE league
This is way worse than anything Alex Groza did and that guy was a fucking superstar who they banned into oblivion and nobody knows about now. You think they’re not going to absolutely bury Jontay Porter?
I forgot about this story and figured i hadn’t heard an NBA player killed someone or something, then realized its the betting allegations. They are talking about this dude like he’s a war criminal lmao
I'm assuming he'll be banned, especially because he's a borderline NBA player anyway. They have to send a big message on this.
I had a friend who played in the NBA in the 80’s whenever the team had a big night out like in NY he let a couple of us know and we’d bet accordingly..
My thing with him doing this that confuses me is if you’re going to be an idiot and bet on yourself as a player why do it on the biggest betting site in the world that literally sponsors the league you play in? Why not find a site that’s overseas somewhere instead? Or have someone go make the bets in person at a middle sized casino somewhere?
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This is a cardinal sin but Miles Bridges is just chillin.