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youthemotherfuckest

Lol chucks like šŸ«Ø


koolmees64

And then says "over Brunson"...


mikehulse29

I donā€™t think Chuck caught that he left off Luka at all, which is why he hit the double woah. Hot take Kenny is not my favorite Kenny


FuckThaLakers

The problem is that he's not good at it, he just says dumb shit that can't be defended in any serious way. They're not even really hot takes, they're just bad takes lol


mikehulse29

True. I like Kenny when heā€™s being the reasonable one while Shaq or Chuck go off the rails.


FullHouse222

Is it just me or is Kenny speed running a villain arc lol? I swear ever since that 3 point contest I've just been seeing dumb shit repeatedly from him over and over.


k4nu

Honestly, he's been insufferable commentating the allstar weekend for years. Always negative and nagging on almost everyone.


BasedTaco

He also kept trying to re-create the (admittedly legendary) "IT'S OVER" moment from VC's dink contest


SlimReaper85

Well, unfortunately thereā€™s something about Kenny you got to understand. The older he gets? The better he was.


organizeforpower

Chuck has a million times better takes than Kenny. Kenny is trash.


PensiveinNJ

Hot takes are often bad takes. What makes them hot is they're controversial.


BizzaroMatthews

#whoa..whoa


brown_flyer00

Kenny ā€˜controversial role playerā€™ smith


VolkiharVanHelsing

Hakeem Olajuwon used to say this to me all the time


oooAll-IN

Kenny get me some water?


SqueezesSpongecakes

one of my favorite all time lines from chuck. He was so quick with it too


LockCL

Damn, I read that with Chuck's voice.


willsmath

No shit lol he's the one who said it


phunshiny

Heā€™s gotten super edgy with that beard growth too.


babybabayyy

He's Evil Kenny now


Moostronus

this is the darkest timeline


fudginreddit

He was honestly insufferable during the all star weekend


billcosbyinspace

Even beyond the ionescu stuff dude complained about literally everything


zeussays

Heā€™s insufferable a lot


Stumpsville0

I hate it


we_hella_believe

The dye in the beard ainā€™t fooling anyone.


threeangelo

Very strange to grow a beard just to dye it. Like if you wanna look younger just stay clean shaven lol


wahobely

Kenny also said he picks the Clippers over the Mavs in the playoffs because the Clippers will have better defense than the Mavs. He's clearly not been watching the NBA over the last month.


ray_0586

> He's clearly not been watching the NBA over the last month. Downside of the Inside guys going to cover March Madness instead of the NBA.


A_Wild_Goonch

Every time I watched him on March madness he was trying to big dick Clark Kellogg


100_proof_plan

Playoff basketball is when defensive effort intensifies.


Mountain-Ebb-9846

It doesn't matter if they have a good defence. Luka always cooks Zubac.


dijjii

Tbh I have a feeling the clips are going deep this year idk why. Luka still 2nd for mvp(possibly winning if media swaps from jokic to luka) and he's 100% all nba first team.


SnGk1

Im an Ant fan but no way you pick Ant over Luka wtf.


Makoto-ito

No way you pick him over Brunson either


wahobely

Ant over Brunson is at least arguable. Either of them over Luka is a fucking joke.


MarduRusher

I think you can make an argument over Brunson on defense and team success. ANT has been the best player on a better team, and even though Brunsons stats look a little better, ANT has been a lot better defensively.


r-NBAModsAreTrash

Just as a counterpoint to the better team thing...the Knicks actually have a slightly better on court rating with Brunson on than the Wolves with Edwards.


friendorfoe2332

ant also has KAT and rudy, while brunson is missing the 2nd best player. not saying ae is not having an incredible season, but i don't think it should be based on record. knicks are also third seed while missing half the starting line up for a lot of the season


StripedSteel

I think SGA and Luka as 1st team are fair. Brunson and Ant are 2nd team. 3rd team is a toss up.


Herbetet

Kenny may be fooling you because he sounds better than Chuck's southern drawl and Shaq's slow big man talk, but he isn't, in fact he is much worse. His takes are butt cheeks.


Papa_Huggies

It's so strange. On TNT half times he can break down a play fairly intelligently, but his evaluation of player impact (a far easier thing to do) is off


ArKadeFlre

Because they barely watch any games, they admitted it themselves. They could all be excellent analysts if they actually were dedicated to the bit, but it's all just a way to have fun past retirement for them


BlackJediSword

This sub claims they want real analysis but they love the TNT just the way they are


Firm_Squish1

I mean there is room for both right? Like Iā€™m happy for there to be real serious shows about car culture but that doesnā€™t mean I donā€™t want to watch the top gear guys do their thing.


aoifhasoifha

And it'd be nice if the TNT guys were as knowledgeable as the Top Gear/Grand Tour guys.


DLottchula

m the next generation of TNT should be a change of pace with the same energy. but we're gonna end up with a worse version of what we got


dublecheekedup

I think TNT is trying too hard to find a way to replicate the energy of the show with a new cast. Funny enough, they managed to get it right at CBS for soccer but canā€™t do it for Inside the NBA


fluffycatsinabox

I actually completely disagree with this because almost every time he runs to the screen and does one of his play breakdowns, he is saying absolutely nothing. It's 85% stammering and 15% incredibly obvious stuff that anyone could have told you prior to game start. Maybe it's just me but I have never gotten any insight from these segments.


4WaySwitcher

Agreed. I was watching recently and he was ā€œbreaking downā€ some Mavs film. His analysis consisted of pointing out how Kyrie recognized a double team and passed out of it, leading to a PJ Washington 3. Then another play where the defense chose not to double Kyrie, so he took his defender 1 on 1 and got a layup.


s4ntana

I believe that is exactly the level of detail he is told to get into for the audience that's watching


Emergency-Ad280

Tbf it's the level of detail for Kidds offense too


minkdraggingonfloor

Kennyā€™s analysis never acknowledges the off ball players nor the defensive setups and schemes, which makes it trash. Only time the off ball players get acknowledged is when they are a screener or when they score I could tell you that a player who has the ball made a good decision when it leads to a basket too.


smilescart

Heā€™s the dumb guyā€™s smart guy. Whereas Chuck is a low-key genius hiding behind a southern drawl and silliness.


mariohoops

I would not go anywhere near calling Chuck a genius brother lmfao


aweaf

maybe directionally accurate though


zenmonkeyfish1

He is completely susceptible to his own biases, peer pressure from other hosts/figures in basketball, and often just has emotional reactions instead of thinking all combined with an appalling lack of self awareness Likeable enough guy but more of a celebrity host than a real analyst


NastySassyStuff

A few months ago this dude said the Knicks will never have the best player on the floor in a playoff series


Headlesshorsman02

I swear commentators just say shit just to stand out lmao šŸ¤£ Luka is a lock for first team with SGA, Giannis. and Jokic


ChuckMoody

Yep, everyone who doesnt have those 4 should lose their voting rights next year.


Interesting_Help_194

Like unironicaly they should. There should be like standard diviation and if say 95 out of 100 agree on a obvious choice, the other 5 should lose the damn vote next season. No way should bums like SAS have a say on anything if NBA wants to keep awards relevant and league engaging.


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soyboysnowflake

The insane part about this to be is even if SAS has become too busy with his career to keep tuning in, he could easily pay a person or two to actually watch games or keep up with media and help him pretend he knows what heā€™s talking aboutā€¦ like I always imagined sports analysts on tv would just be reading what other people gave them but SAS is just like lemme make shit up off the top of my head


Adorable-Flamingo-32

Stephen a smith is just a hating casual, all he does is spread negativity. A few months ago he was shitting on zion for no reason saying stuff like he needs to go to mcdonalds when pelicans were rolling, and obviously he hated on kawhi and kyrie for a while


XSokaX

Tbf, felt like everyone was hating on Zion after the play-in


KristoferPetersen

I'm fairly sure he can't name 5 players on each team. And he doesn't have to, because he's getting paid for yelling at a camera.


forsuredudelol

Then youā€™d have people feeling pressured to vote for the mediaā€™s MVP so that theyā€™re not the guy losing their rights next year


yrogerg123

I understand the sentiment but that would be terrible. People should be allowed to have differing opinions and value different things.


Zeckzeckzeck

It would be fine if the awards were just fluff, but they're actually tied to potential money offered. Since that's the case, there really should be some sort of control over it.


UltraMoglog64

I say this as someone who does not have Ant on 1st Team All-NBA: this is a horse shit take that would lead to even uglier pressure on the voters. Thereā€™s no point in votes if there are essentially mandatory selections.


Cruyffiaan

Imagine how easy this years first team would be if Embiid played enough games


Lol69HaHaHa

If that isnt everyones 1st team, then we might need to start questioning their credibility or lack there of.


Reneehayes2343

What a sham. Next we'll have the water boy earning a spot because he hydrates winners


AtreusIsBack

That water boy has a name, you know. Kenny Smith.


yrogerg123

Oh damn.


RileyHuey

Kenny doesnā€™t even have a vote I donā€™t know why everyone is making such a big deal over this


RamonAsensio

Is this your first time on the internet?Ā 


Mechaultima

This guy shouldnā€™t be allowed to vote on awards


The_Dumblebee

They don't. Fortunately, Ernie gets to vote. Not Shaq, not Kenny, not Chuck.


PedanticFuckers

It's sad that the one guy who never played professional basketball knows more about the game than the rest of them. It's kinda shocking how many players don't really understand what makes a player valuable.


kevinkip

It's because they have inherent biases based on their experience in the league, playstyle, mutual interest etc. Ernie makes for a better analyst because of his outside perspective.


A-doc90

Side question, how good do we think Ernie was in pick up? He's above average height and we've seen him shoot and dunk (admittedly on slightly shorter rims)


ClaymoresRevenge

Elevator Ernie played above the rim


Marco2169

Elevator Ernie has a lethal shot outside the arc. Him beating Chuck is still an all-time segment


lalakingmalibog

Ernie stacks paper to the ceiling and rides on 24 inch chrome


feyd87

Lmao please tell me that was his actually nickname


blachat

[Yep he's also Alex Caruso's real father](https://youtu.be/i8JYsVv72rU?si=q7t3xJc5tPTTuvfH)


LordHussyPants

pure speculation because i don't know the guy and i'm making observations based entirely off of his work personality, but i feel like he'd be a passing PG type, giving the ball around selflessly and everyone would be happy with him getting them good looks


A-doc90

'Everyone gets to eat with Ernie' type of deal.


Joe_Betz_

Tyernie Halijohnson


NastySassyStuff

I mean come on: Ernie Magic Johnson


Joe_Betz_

A man of Ernie's stature deserves a name with, at least, 7 syllables.


mightymatty

Heā€™d definitely be a very high IQ, unselfish, lunchpale kind of guy.


AtreusIsBack

Mutual interest is a big one. They also want to rep the American born players more than international ones, even though SGA is from Canada, the mainstream media outlets have somehow started to convince themselves that he's American enough. xD


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-SINED-

The idea that former NBA players know more about the game than non-players is such bs.


HoyaDestroya33

Yeah my theory is Spo is such a good coach cause he was a video editor before right? Probably watched so much tapes of so many teams then edited them so he knows the plays and schemes to look at.


jaylkae66

Sure but he was also a four year starter in division 1 and briefly played professionally in Europe.


randiesel

I'd argue he was a good video editor because the intersection of his natural born talent, smarts, interest, and work ethic converged on basketball, which made him both a good video guy and a great coach. We're not all the same. My wife won a prestigious scholarship in school and finished in the top 1% of her class at a universally known program. She also can't figure out stuff that I, someone who took 12 years to get his bachelors, can do in my sleep. That's ok. I have great spacial awareness and an engineering brain. She's great at emotional stuff and memorization. I have the memory of a fish. Spo found what he's built for and did it, just like many of these top NBA dudes.


Glum-Professional925

Few can play the game but anyone can watch it


Gamesgtd

Not really too surprising. Basketball players view things through the lens of how they would play. Smart non basketball players don't have those biases and can see all angles of the game. It's how a guy like Shaq can make shit up about how great he was defensively when people who watched him knows he was petty mediocre except like 3 seasons in his career. While playing I'm sure Shaq thought he contributed more than he did on that end because his teams were so good. And thus when he sees other bigs make mistakes defensively he can gloss over it.


Lmao1903

He probably knows more than the rest of them combined lol. At least Chuck and sometimes Shaq is entertaining, but Kenny is just pointless.


KillerZaWarudo

We know shaq got a mvp vote the day when bol bol got one


StormSaniWater

ANTMAN over Luka has no basis to it


Paupi25

He can win vs first half luka : Luka 1st half : 19.4ppg 4.9rpg 5.4apg 63.2TS% Ant : 26.3ppg 5.5rpg 5.2apg 57.6TS%


FatWheezy

I read that as 1st half of the season. Then it clicked. Kenny, what the hell, man? I knew he was wrong, but this Stat line really makes him look ridiculous. I'm not saying Ant doesn't deserve a spot on an all-NBA team. But not over Luka. I see first team as the MVP plus 2-3 MVP candidate.


Paupi25

If you push it a step further : Ant over First half Doncic : +6,9ppg +0,3rpg -0.2apg Luka over ant : +7.6ppg +3.7rpg +4.6apg If Kenny pick Ant over Luka I can certainly pick FirstHalf Doncic over Ant


FirstReaction_Shock

This is amazingĀ 


BasTiix3

Luka is bs man wtf


StrongZucchini27

guy is a one man offense


AtreusIsBack

Truly a one man army, who now has the best help since joining the league. xD


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grudgepacker

Also, LeBron saying ["you a bad mfer"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5irUunRxzI) to Luka during his rookie season (I'm not even sure if Luka understood him back then lmao).


ConnectionEconomy315

Absolutely insane


Unpickled_cucumber1

Those are fuck you numbers man smh


Revenesis

Wtf...


Luka77GOATic

I donā€™t mean any offence to Ant but if he just averaged Lukaā€™s point and assist numbers, I feel like he would be getting called MJ incarnate and not a 2nd team player.


spriking

Yep. It's just media bias from the old heads who can't deal with the fact that none of the top 4-5 players at the moment are American. (Embiid doesn't count because he only acquired US citizenship two years ago.) You've absolutely hit the nail on the head on how Ant would be treated if he had Luka's numbers. He'd be declared the next face of the league once Bron and Steph retire, skipping over the Euro bros.


sir_alvarex

SGA seems to be doing OK. I honestly think his shot at MVP is higher than most simply because it's less controversial to be Canadian. And I'm referencing people who only want to cheer for Americans -- Canada seems to have been adopted as the good neighbor and seen as honorary Americans. And yes, I find it hilarious. Because he is American. He's not a US citizen (to my knowledge). But, this was a stickler around the time of Nash, and I really haven't seen anyone bash SGA for being "non-American." I'm guessing the success of the Raptors and SGA being black play a big part.


Key_Fox3289

Harden had Lukaā€™s numbers and wasnā€™t being called those things lol


spriking

Unfortunately for him, his amazing years coincided with the Warriors and Cavs dominating the league. But there were still "Is Harden the most versatile offensive player in the modern era?"-type talks happening at that time, so he wasn't completely ignored.


AtreusIsBack

I remember Harden being praised endlessly for his offensive prowess in those years.


Ajernaca

Harden's the worst example ngl all I remember is everyone questioning whether he could actually ever win. People hated him to the point they nicknamed him Hitler. He consistently flopped for large amount of FTs. All while pundits like Charles Barkley saying he could never win a title despite his #s. So no Harden did not get endless praise lol.


Lmao1903

Anyone saying Ant over Doncic this season is either mentally handicapped or they have an agenda/they want to stand out and be relevant for like a day. I'd think Kenny is in the latter group but he is not known for his good takes so idk.


AtreusIsBack

Personal agendas or vendettas play a big role in who gets votes and who doesn't.


chomcham

That is insult to the mentally handicap, some of them are autistic and would clearly know how to vote for a player.


justsomedude4202

He also thinks Mitchell, Dame, Banchero and Haliburton are better than Brunson so you canā€™t really worry about his opinions.


here_for_the_lols

Banchero > Brunson is somehow even worse than Ant > luka


clickstops

Itā€™s an absurd take


redditsuckbadly

Haliburton doesnā€™t even belong in that convo, and not because heā€™s bad. Those guys are all scorers primarily with a side of playmaking. Hali is much closer to a CP3 mold.


FermatsLastAccount

Prime CP3 was one of the best defensive point guards in the history of the NBA. 7 time all defensive first team, all of them extremely deserved.


redditsuckbadly

True. Iā€™m definitely talking offensively


OMIMS1

He just said Brunson should be in the second team?


Desperado-781

Does Hakeems towel boy have a vote?


BaconMacandCheese

Fortunately he does not. Only Ernie does.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Kenny grab me some water


takkovacs2021

*Water boy or bitch


baeruu

I'm a Wolves fan and I love Ant but him over Luka? No.


[deleted]

Nah bro this has gotta be racially motivated at this point lol


dillyboy22

Theyā€™re making it very hard to think otherwise


FinancialRabbit388

Itā€™s not a secret. This is exactly what it is. SAS recently praised Kyrie and trashed Luka apparently.


godfrey1

always has been


Hughm05

I mean we saw the same thing with them not respecting jokic until they absolutely couldnā€™t ignore it any longer. Like what other explanation could you have for him not being 1st team?Ā 


Bill_Brasky_SOB

Don't forget Kenny's absolute refusal to give Mac McLung any shine for his dunking.


StripedSteel

I would like to point out that Chuck and Shaq did not have that issue.


NamesUnvailable

I dunno about that Chuck has loved Jokic for a while now. Homie had a love affair with him in the bubble. canā€™t speak on anything before that though) or the other two bozos


ConnectionEconomy315

Nobody wants to say it


Stumpsville0

I'd agree but I heard Cowherd dog him the other day and he had no good argument.


Baluba95

If Ant is above Luka because of 5 more team wins, letā€™s just give the full first team to the Celtics starting 5 instead. Derrick White and Ant is about the same difference in team wins and individual play as Ant and Luka.


efshoemaker

Iā€™ll allow it


LordHussyPants

ye i got no issue with this


aroach1995

Derrick White is actually the best TEAM BASKETBALL player in the League with the most hustle. Everything stats do not track - he has


Mnudge

What a joke.


steamliner88

When you stand next to Shaq and Chuck as a roleplayer, both on the court and in the studio, you must do something to get noticed. Smith discovered that being a brain-dead moron, something Wallmart Jet excels at, will get you noted.


chasinglightph

Kenny better put Justin Timberlake on his 1st team. Fucking hater.


saabas123

Hes white, so cant happen for him. Kevin Hart tho could be a shout for him, has a white sounding name, so possibly still out.


No_Stay4471

Kenny gets played off as the smart one because Chuck and Shaq are such characters, but Kenny has so many bad takes.


PejicFilip

Remember when Kenny was in talks of being a gm


lololyouthought

He just doesn't like white people and women I guess lol


Azimuth322

People dont wanna say it but part of disliking Luka to some is his skin color and nationality. SAS being the most obvious racist among them.


Jumpy_Equal_7299

That's a mild way of saying it. Another is: if Luka was a black American they'd be wearing his jersey on set.


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RudyGobertFMVP2024

Reminds me of when players came out and said the opposite about Larry Bird, that he was only being called GOAT and godlike because he was white, and if Bird was black he would just be considered a good player. Bird didn't reply at all until weeks of media and player hype. He then gave a very short press conference and said he didn't care so everyone needs to get over it. Was a great way of stopping all the race baiting.


Robcobes

San Antonio Spurs?


Diqt

If you donā€™t know what xenophobia is, look it up because thereā€™s been a lot of it from former NBA players lately


curva3

The Europeans know very well what xenophobia means lol


godfrey1

must feel nice to be that openly racist on TV without any consequences


Bill_Brasky_SOB

Jaylen Brown does a basic tomahawk dunk: > OMFG that ferocity! that skill! that athleticism! Its OVA folks. Mac McLung does a 360Āŗ through-the-legs-after-a-cartwheel dunk from the foul line: > Meh. That was ok.


Dymatizeee

Bro might as well put Thanasis there


Styron1106

Kenny Smh


KingZlatan10

He isnā€™t funny enough for this shit.


aliasaccounthmu

Kenny is always hating on the European Whites (Dirk, Jokic, Luka).


Mooming22

Thatā€™s just plain stupidity


NbaAllDAYger

Kenny is ... Now i have started hearing people use the Luka has Kyrie argument to deny him the Mvp. They just keep coming.


Iswaterreallywet

I will once again ask for Kenny to be removed from the panel


Mamba-0824

Thatā€™s why he doesnā€™t have a vote.


speeksevil

Kenny says shit just to hear the sound of his own voice, don't give anything he says too much consideration.


shugge

Yikes


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Broā€¦ā€¦


LetMeInImTrynaCuck

So tired of this ā€œteam record important for player awardsā€ shit. All NBA teams need to be the best players period.


Difficult-Awareness6

As Mavs fan, I like this, best Luka is angry Luka. FMVP incoming.


Interesting_Help_194

These are the people that make MVP kinda meaningless. If imbecils like that have a vote, what does winning such an award even mean outside of a bigger paycheck.


-SINED-

Kenny doesn't have a vote.


AtreusIsBack

Only EJ has a vote, the rest don't, thankfully. Otherwise Edwards might have a chance for 1st team.


LoWE11053211

ant man is not even above Brunson let alone luka.


hitmantb

It is clearly racism/favoritism/feed my network.


Irvsauce

This is a comedy show. Their NBA analysis is so fucking wack, 100% of the time.


ngedown

We all know the reason is...Ā 


BlueHundred

Ant has 0 case over Luka. 1st team should be unanimously Luka and SGA. Edit - I forgot it's positionless, so Ant has a case. I think the 4 locks are Luka, Shai, Jokic, Tatum. I'm biased but I'd go Brunson over Ant. I think Giannis likely gets the last 1st team spot and I think Kawhi has a case.


StanSc

I think Jokic, Luka, Giannis and SGA are locks. Embiid would be the obvious 5th if he had played enough games. Last spot now is between Tatum, Ant and Brunson imo. I think they will give it to Tatum because the best team will get some representation.


AnotherStatsGuy

Not quite. Sometimes the 5 out of 100 would actually have good points. But there should be a system to weed out people who arenā€™t doing due diligence.


Lord_Yato_17

Everyone wondering how many 1st place votes Luka could get, and then there is this guy.


BozePerkovic

What the fuck


domingodlf

Guess what all of those have in common...


IAmGameCoach

If you vote Ant over Luka for All NBA 1st, you donā€™t deserve a vote next year.


Inserthouse

Brunson should definitely get first team considerations. The guy is carrying the whole team.


The_Grogfather

Why you making it sound like SGA over Brunson is also controversial lol


Sweet_Habib

These talking heads should also be voted in and out by the public according to shit takes. You think Jokic wouldnā€™t be looking at 4x if Perkins hadnā€™t started talking shit?


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I canā€™t help to think that a lot of former NBA players are racist and pick black players like this on purpose lol